*... that the '''[[Arafura Swamp]]''' in [[Australia]], the [[filming location]] for ''[[Ten Canoes]]'', is an important breeding site for [[Freshwater Crocodile|Freshwater]] and [[Saltwater Crocodile]]s? (Self-nom) [[User:Maias|Maias]] ([[User talk:Maias|talk]]) 04:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
*... that the '''[[Arafura Swamp]]''' in [[Australia]], the [[filming location]] for ''[[Ten Canoes]]'', is an important breeding site for [[Freshwater Crocodile|Freshwater]] and [[Saltwater Crocodile]]s? (Self-nom) [[User:Maias|Maias]] ([[User talk:Maias|talk]]) 04:29, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:*[[Image:Pictogram voting keep.svg|18px]] Tehe. I was learning about this earlier today in Geography at school ;) Date and length are fine; offline ref AGFd. —<font face="georgia">[[User:97198|<b>97198</b>]] <small>([[User talk:97198|talk]])</small></font> 11:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:*[[Image:Pictogram voting keep.svg|18px]] Tehe. I was learning about this earlier today in Geography at school ;) Date and length are fine; offline ref AGFd. —<font face="georgia">[[User:97198|<b>97198</b>]] <small>([[User talk:97198|talk]])</small></font> 11:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
*... that the Glacial Gardens of '''[[Interstate Park]]''' ''(pictured)'' in [[Minnesota]] and [[Wisconsin]] contain the greatest concentration of [[Giants kettle|glacial potholes]] in the world? -- expanded eightfold by [[User:Mcghiever]] on 7 Sept. <small>nom by [[User:Kablammo|Kablammo]] ([[User talk:Kablammo|talk]]) 12:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC); no credit sought by nominator.</small>
... that Spider began making alternative music because she felt that not enough Black women were doing so?
... that the trowel and gavel used at the cornerstone-laying ceremony for the Southern Railway Building were previously used by George Washington for the U.S. Capitol?
... that Chuck Eisenmann went from professionally pitching in baseball to owning and training the dogs that starred on the Canadian television series The Littlest Hobo?
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Is "and that its failure..." an expansion of "Did you know that..." or "Guru Maharaj Ji's followers predicted that..."? Maybe make that clear. —97198 (talk) 11:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Changed "film writer" to "screenwriter" as "screen" applies to both film and television, and as far as I can tell the writer above has only written for television, not film. —97198 (talk) 08:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that in 1851 two trains returning from Chester races lost adhesion in Sutton Tunnel, Cheshire, and a third train crashed into them, killing nine people and injuring 30–40? New article self-nom by Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Begs the question what are "Chester races". Article refers to "Chester Races", and links to Chester Cup about horse races. Hook could be reworded to clarify. Also how about "injuring many" rather than awkward "30-40"? doncram (talk) 06:10, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that retrospective diagnosis, the diagnosis of possible medical conditions on historical figures from historical sources, is regarded by some medical historians as "a game with ill-defined rules and little academic credibility"? Created today by Colin (talk· contribs). JFW | T@lk 20:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that it took the Austrians and the Prussians 200 years to complete the Klodzko Fortress, now located in southwestern Poland? self-nom by Tymek (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Sixto Casanovas was assassinated in 1852 in a Buenos Aires street by a political opponent who still believed he was guilty of the crime of treason in 1841? (self nom - created) -- Alexf42 18:38, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article was deleted. Art LaPella (talk) 23:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the newly discovered Baby Boom Galaxy(pictured) is producing stars at a surprising rate of up to 4,000 per year, compared to our own Milky Way galaxy that churns out an average of just 10 stars per year? (self nom - created) --Fatal!ty(T☠LK) 10:34, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ref history and size fine. Pic is eye catching too. Victuallers (talk) 11:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ref, history and size fine. Victuallers (talk) 11:24, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Ralph Sandwich served as the justice at the 1305 trial of William Wallace? self-nom expansion from 207 chars minus boxes/refs to 3047 chars minus boxes/refs. Ironholds 01:49, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ref, history and expansion fine. Victuallers (talk) 11:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that cardanol, a substance obtained from a byproduct of cashew nut processing, is used to make vehicle brakes and coatings for concrete floors? (self nom - created) --Itub (talk) 11:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
all ok (there is an online source under "Corquodale"). Picture is eye catching but not sure if this was the land given. Victuallers (talk) 14:25, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- all OK - Load this on THURSDAY with pic? Victuallers (talk) 08:21, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Daniel Dobbins(pictured) was in charge of the building of the ships that Oliver Hazard Perry commanded in the Battle of Lake Erie, but missed participating in the battle by a few days? --Dtbohrer 19:43, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
- added online cite. Advice - lose the final clause - its not too interesting that he missed the main event Victuallers (talk) 08:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that as special counsel investigating loans made to Jimmy Carter, Paul Curran became the first lawyer to question a sitting U.S. President under oath in an investigation of that president? -- new article by Alansohn (talk) 19:10, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length, expansion date and referencing verified. I noticed that your main image of the building in the infobox is decent and could be used with the hook, so to the right I added a thumbnail of it as a part of this DYK that could be potentially used. Cheers, Jamie☆S93 18:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- fine - suggest (only) finding a ref from a second site too? Victuallers (talk) 09:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Added one more ref. Thank you. I added }} to the tick template, because you missed it. Mspraveen (talk) 09:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Russian doctor and serial killerMaxim Petrov was caught because he found the names of his twelve victims all on the same list of patients and the police could predict his next victims? -- new article, self-nom Malick78 (talk) 16:27, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs another 500 bytes which shouldnt be hard with this fascinating character. History is fine, 1 english ref is fine, 2 russian ones AGF hook could use some tightening up dm (talk) 16:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just over 500 have now been added. Should be enough now:) Malick78 (talk) 11:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And for a tighter hook, how about?
... that Russian doctor and serial killerMaxim Petrov was caught because he took the names of his twelve victims all from the same list of patients, enabling police to predict whom he would kill next? Malick78 (talk) 11:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that despite so far only recording five episodes over seven months, Stephen Fry's Podgrams are one of the top five most downloaded podcasts from iTunes? Self-nom by ISD (talk) 15:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(I assume all of these hooks will attract some controversy, but tried to keep them as neutral as possible) (Cheers! Self-Nom by --Fatal!ty(T☠LK) 14:59, 7 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]
Ceiling painting of the marble hall of the Melk Abbey(1731)
... that the award-winning novel The Owl Service was adapted for TV in 1969 and was the first fully-scripted colour production by Granada Television? (self nom) --Tuzapicabit (talk) 10:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The hook implies that the bolded article is about the novel, so I'd suggest rewording. —97198 (talk) 11:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that firefighters still use hose straps today, even though they have been in use since at least 1898? -- Self nom, new article. Jclemens (talk) 07:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Reworded: ... that hose straps have been in use since at least 1898 and are still used by firefighters today? —97198 (talk) 11:16, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest "WSJ. magazine" not just "WSJ", because the title has a period and because the better-known Wall Street Journal newspaper is also known as the WSJ. Art LaPella (talk) 22:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is my belief that the proper title of the magazine is WSJdot. It is like Yahoo!. See the logo at [1]. WSJ. magazine would be a good redirect and I will create it immediately.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:03, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But do you agree that it should be "... of the WSJ. magazine has average ... " in the hook, to avoid confusion with the newspaper? I didn't mean to rename the article. Art LaPella (talk) 00:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, make that italics: "... of the WSJ. magazine has average ..." Art LaPella (talk) 00:23, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I have added italics and I have added the dot. I added this hook before a pair of page moves to the current name with the dot. Thanks for paying attention.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tehe. I was learning about this earlier today in Geography at school ;) Date and length are fine; offline ref AGFd. —97198 (talk) 11:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A replacement can be located next to the original route. That's not special. Do you mean it operated next to the original it was supposed to (but did not) replace? --76.64.76.118 (talk) 04:48, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The replacement was to be on the route of the canal - replacing it completely so the canal would cease to exist, but opposition from mine owners and local industry meant an amending bill was sent to parliament and the company was forced to build alongside the canal, and was also forced to maintain the canal. In places, the railway runs within yards of the canal towpath. Its a good example of the competition between railways and canals through the industrial age, moreso that the railway operates still, while the canal is currently being restored. Parrot of Doom (talk) 11:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why link to wiktionary when you can link to [[Association football|soccer]]? --76.64.77.212 (talk) 21:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because its difficult to believe that anyone is going to see this hook and want to investigate british football. They might (just) want to remind themselves what soccer is. Is it a problem to link to a wiki sister project? Change it if you feel strongly. Victuallers (talk) 15:03, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that, when the disgraced Tang DynastychancellorYuan Zai requested a quick death, the executioner apologized, took off his socks and stuffed them in Yuan's mouth, and executed him? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 00:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ALT: ... that the mouth of the disgraced Tang DynastychancellorYuan Zai was stuffed with dirty socks by the executioner when he was executed for corruption? --76.64.76.118 (talk) 05:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that by the time the Wye Valley Railway opened in 1876, one of the wireworks it was intended to serve, had already closed down? Stevage 13:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can't "in Wales" at least be included? - there are other Wye valleys in the world. Slight problem in that the whole line was not in Wales (it crosses the border with England), but Tintern is in Wales, hence my original wording. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the molybdenum mines at Knaben was the target for 130 American B-17 bombers from the Eighth Air Force in a raid in November 1943? -- (self-nom). Oceanh (talk) 20:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]
Wow, how cool would it be to have two Kvinesdal-related hooks in the same update, and by pure coincidence! Date, length and ref ok. Lampman (talk) 03:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Knaben's molybdenum mines were the target of a massive B-17 bombing raid in 1943? Stevage 13:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This hook is fine for me. Shorter and better. Thanks for the improvement. Oceanh (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]
... that the Chicago Transit Authority is required to keep the closed 58th station in operable condition because federal funds were used in its renovation? --New page, self-nom by TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation 20:20, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Chicago's defunct 58th station must be kept in operable condition because federal funds were used in its renovation? Stevage 13:09, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The change is fine with me, though I think "Chicago" should be changed back to Chicago Transit Authority. I can live with it being Chicago if it sounds better though. TheCatalyst31Reaction•Creation 19:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
But ferry is a ship, it is not the ferry route. So this DYK nom (and the article) is misstated, in my view. doncram (talk) 09:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ok with this alt. --Admrb♉ltz (talk) 18:06, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article 5X expansion checks ok (over 2000 chars now, vs. 221 beforehand). Reference ok. I edited the article to describe it as a ferry route, not a ferry (ship). If those or similar edits to article are okay with nominator, then this whole thingee is copacetic by me, anyhow. doncram (talk) 06:04, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, it looks good to me --Admrb♉ltz (talk) 06:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Air Group Six was the U.S. Navy’s only carrier-based air group to carry out three complete tours of duty during World War II? New article, written by Marcd30319 ...-talk-the_ed17-contribs- 16:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Need to clarify that it's the US Navy. the wub"?!" 09:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done...an alternate picture is the logo found on the article. -talk-the_ed17-contribs- 01:13, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Tang Dynasty judge Pei Zunqing spared a group of soldiers accused of treason by pointing out they had neither money nor talent to carry out a rebellion? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 15:53, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's fine too. I thought it was interesting to list the different swimming strokes to show her versatility. Added the fact that her disability is paraplegia. — Cheers, JackLee–talk– 15:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that MV Westward (pictured), "arguably Seattle’s most famous motor yacht," was modeled after a salmon cannery tender? - Jmabel | Talk 06:48, 6 September 2008 (UTC) (self-nom)[reply]
... that architect Albert C. Martin sucessfully defended his design of the 28-story Los Angeles City Hall(pictured) against those who argued the city government could fit into the first four floors? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 06:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that many Bangladeshi women who went to the Persian Gulf to work in legitimate businesses have been forced into prostitution in Bahrain? (new article, self-nom) Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:30, 6 September 2008 (UTC) (This is only my personal request. Could you withdraw hook number 2 please. Ive no idea about its truth but riots elsewhere in the world have been caused by such statements. Victuallers (talk) 09:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC))[reply]
The Rosendale library, formerly All Saints' Chapel
... that in Norse mythology, Valhalla is a majestic, enormous hall located in Asgard, ruled over by the god Odin, and where those that die in combat go upon death, escorted by valkyries? Self-nomination, complete rewrite, and 5x expansion. :bloodofox: (talk) 02:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the child duo known as the Aquatots planned to swim the English Channel in 1951 but were forbidden from attempting by both the British and French governments? self nom: --IvoShandor (talk) 13:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome back, Ivo S. --76.64.77.212 (talk) 21:29, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the village of Anasartha, located in Western Syria and today known as Khanasser, derived its water supply until 1975 from a 12-kilometre long Byzantine-era qanat? (self-nom) Tiamuttalk 09:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
1496 characters, so another word would be symbolically important... Art LaPella (talk) 03:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added a few words. Thanks! Boston (talk) 15:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest: "... once took a nap..." --76.64.76.118 (talk) 04:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Tang DynastychancellorDiwu Qi minted coins that were valued at 10 and 50 times ordinary coins and was blamed for the subsequent precipitous rise in food prices? (self-nomination, expansion) --Nlu (talk) 02:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You mean he ordered the minting, right? I don't expect Qi himself to work with molten metal....
ALT:... that the Tang DynastychancellorDiwu Qi ordered the minting of coins valued at 10 and 50 times too high and was blamed for the subsequent precipitous rise in food prices? --76.64.76.118 (talk) 04:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it was "too high" is POV, I think, and the historians who described Diwu's acts, actually, avoided making a stance on whether Diwu was fairly criticized or not. --Nlu (talk) 05:31, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that work by cartoonist Rube Goldberg and humorist Will Rogers was distributed by the McNaught Syndicate only months after it was created in 1922? --new article, self-nom by Fram (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Tang DynastychancellorLi Kui had once referred to future chancellor Yuan Zai as the son of a water deer or a rodent, drawing Yuan's eventual retaliation? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 15:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So Harris is a journeyman musician, bouncing around bands without a permanent job for decades? Your hook seems to suggest so. If this is how the music business works, is this fact really unique and interesting? --76.64.76.118 (talk) 04:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the hook says that he played with a number of notable musicians which is interesting. Richerman (talk) 13:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Articles created/expanded on September 4
... that House Resolution 362, a US bill that endorses a blockade of Iran, could have been created in response to comments made by Ehud Olmert?--new article self-nom by --Zaharous (talk) 01:06, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... after emigrating from England at age 18, Lucien Price "immortalized fond memories" of Kent and wrote for the Boston Globe until his death at age 81? self nom Boston (talk) 01:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A pseudonym is an alternate name for a person. Kent is a place. I think "pseudonym" might be the wrong word to use here. —97198 (talk) 10:59, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"most bizarre" is certainly not quantifiable, I'd suggest "unusual". Sherurcij(speaker for the dead) 20:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your concern about POV, but "unusal" isn't actually quantifiable either. If the word "bizarre" was to be used in the article with in-line citations (and preferably in quotation marks) I don't think it should be a problem. Boston (talk) 21:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Great, I think that's just how you should format it. However, that's a very long hook. Can we do with less examples? - Boston (talk) 13:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As one of the editors involved in expanding and rewriting, I object to a) DYKing (not the most neutral of the hooks) and b) more importantly, due the article being unstable (edit warring, see related 3RR report) and still not neutral. I am afraid this one needs to cool down a little.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:24, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well the hook is factually accurate and neutral as can be. It does not blame anyone just states simple historical fact. Regarding revert warring - there is no edit warring, except some attempts to insert false information ("more Poles that Jews died" etc), but those attempts ceased, so normal editing process is on its way. M0RD00R (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article looks fine. Where is there a requirement for an article to be 'stable' for DYK? I didn't see it at the top of this page. Did I miss something? (BTW, I added a 'the' to the hook for better grammar) Malick78 (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please give us a break. 4,199 character quote? I've never seen anything as bad as this. Changing my assessment to NO. --Poeticbenttalk 22:02, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Indeed Morgenthau quote added by Piotrus [2]was too long, I tend to agree on that one with Poeticbent, therefore I've deleted it. Only controversial material like untrue and unsupported by references statements such as "more Poles have been killed than Jews" also have been corrected. As to the rest please, guys move content disputes there they belong to the article's talk page. M0RD00R (talk) 22:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not fixed. You've added biased quotes, the article stresses the negative role of Polish soldiers (when most of the rioters were criminals), fails to mention that majority of soldiers tried to stop the riots and just now has a sentence that Polish forces were composed of criminals... this is not a DYK quality material.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well when the name of game is "Paper, Scissors, Stone", when, I'm afraid, publications by Oxford University Press and also by other respected publishing companies beat opinion of a Wikipedian. Also WP:RS beats WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Besides you were asked already to continue content dispute where it belongs. Enough with the drama. Recruitment of criminals by Polish armed forces during the Lwow battle is well referenced fact. If you could provide WP:RS to the contrary, and community consensus would approve, we could modify the article accordingly. I'm not married to this historical fact. But this has nothing to do with a hook we should be discussing here. Thank you for continuing content disputes where they belong. Cheers. M0RD00R (talk) 00:41, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Untertorbrücke in Berne, Switzerland, as seen from the Nydeggbrücke
... that the construction of the first bridge in Berne, Switzerland – the Untertorbrücke(pictured) – triggered a war? — Rewritten, expanded and self-nom by Sandstein 20:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added a picture caption, because "Panorama Nydeggbruecke Bern.jpg" sounds like it's a picture of the wrong bridge (Brücke or -bruecke means bridge). Art LaPella (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's a panorama from the Nydeggbruecke. Johnbod (talk) 23:28, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Sir Morien Morgan is known as "the father of the Concorde" for his efforts to keep the Concorde aircraft project running in spite of tremendous technical and political challenges? Maury (talk) 12:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Expansion not five-fold. Prior length 950 characters; current length 3,786. Also lacks inline cite for the "Father of the Concorde" point, and I don't see the phrase in the internet references listed.Cbl62 (talk) 06:33, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can't access offline ref but article says "the largest paleontological painting in the world", not the broader "natural history". —97198 (talk) 07:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that, Isabel Gonzalez, a pregnant Puerto Rican mother who in 1902 was detained in Ellis Island as an alien, challenged the Government of the United States in the groundbreaking case "GONZALES v. WILLIAMS", which helped pave the way for all Puerto Ricans to be recognized as citizens of the United States? Tony the Marine (talk) 23:53, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that in 1902 Isabel Gonzalez, a single Puerto Rican mother, challenged the Government of the United States and helped pave the way for all Puerto Ricans to be recognized as citizens of the United States? Tony the Marine (talk) 01:10, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that prehistoric Orkney has provided so many ancient ruins (pictured) that one of the islands in the archipelago has been described as "the Egypt of the North"? (Self Nom) --BenMacDui 19:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It has potential, although I'd prefer a word other than "controversial"; and the article lacks inline citations; I've added a slew of fact tags, if you cite these sources - and add one or two more sources, I think it could be featured. Sherurcij(speaker for the dead) 20:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I added some, and removed some bits I couldn't find sources for (I copied this straight from the French Wikipedia). It could do with a fact check before being featured, as well as a thorough copyedit. how do you turn this on 20:59, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If I may jump in? I don't like to be pedantic, but Edward was not Edward VIII at the time of his marriage as he had already abdicated. And I'm not sure about Wallis's surname - did she not revert (vague recollection here, may be wrong) to Wallis Warfield? George The Dragon (talk) 21:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're probably right, though this may be better discussed on the article talk page, then updated here. I know he wasn't King, that's for sure. But I wasn't sure what else to call him how do you turn this on 21:37, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
He was already Duke of Windsor when he married, so that ought to be how he's named here. This would appear to be a perfectly valid time to use the word "controversial", might be worth linking it to Edward VIII abdication crisis. David Underdown (talk) 09:55, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, and after reading the article, I still don't know it. I do know that Doug can't spell cryptanalyst, however. SeptentrionalisPMAnderson 22:01, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This would appear to be a Soviet press report that Doug found by Google; we prefer reliable sources, and articles that aren't out to prove things. SeptentrionalisPMAnderson 22:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Source in article: Kahn, p. 109 Giovanni Soro was perhaps the West's first great cryptanalyst. --Doug Coldwelltalk 11:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(Article reference: Anzovin, p. 202 item 3401. The first secret service to specialize in codebreaking was the Council of Ten, the state security committee that oversaw the government of Venice (in modern Italy) from 1310 through 1797. In 1506 it hired as its cipher secretary the cryptanalyst Giovanni Soro, author of a book on solving ciphers in Italian, French, Spanish, and Latin, who was known throughout Europe for his ability to read encrypted messages.) --Doug Coldwelltalk 16:07, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I just wikilinked road racing cyclist and national criterium and road race champion. However, I advise you to retain the surprise element (that she's not actually from America's Next Top Model). Mspraveen (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I thought this would be an interesting hook: ... Brooke Miller, a road racing cyclist and the current US national criterium and road race champion, has a PhD in evolutionary biology? And If someone really wanted to play up name confusion, there may be an April 1 hook here somewhere. (By the way, currently at 1468 bytes prose - technically could use one more sentence to meet the 1500 byte guideline.) Gimmetrow 20:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Added another paragraph so this should be OK now, I like your hook.Thaf (talk) 11:14, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Apetito were given an award in 2005 by Queen Elizabeth II for innovation in the provision of food to the elderly? -- new article expansion (from deleted article) self-nom by SilkTork *YES! 13:58, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's QE2 of the UK, right? Pls mention the country, so we don't have to guess. --76.64.76.118 (talk) 04:11, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is. I honestly am not aware of another Queen Elizabeth II. I just did a search and the nearest I could find was Elisabeth II of Bohemia from the 15th century. The spelling is slightly different, and it's a different era; however, to avoid doubt, I have added in a date to differentiate the two queens. SilkTork *YES! 07:35, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that between 1221 and 1244, Robert of Lexinton served as a justice on Eyre on 64 occasions, acting as senior justice for 31? new article, self nom, 1900 chars. Ironholds 11:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Jewish community dates its presence in Eišiškės, Lithuania, back to the year 1097 or 1171? Expanded 6x from 1054 to 6579 characters of readable prose. Renata (talk) 10:46, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Power Memorial Academy basketball team, led by Lew Alcindor in 1964, was named "The #1 High School Team of The Century" by National Sports Writers, and produced several NBA players? self nominated, new article by Truthanado (talk) 00:52, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's a 201-character hook, but I doubt anyone'll hassle you too much. —97198 (talk) 07:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just in case, I dropped a few unnecessary words, it's 194 now. Truthanado (talk) 16:47, 6 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
REDUCED AGAIN. I don't know how to measure these without counting the spaces by hand.Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Character counting is in #Instructions, but let's try it in more detail. Position the mouse at the beginning of the hook (after ... and just before "that"). Hold down the left mouse button, and don't let go until you move the mouse to the end of the hook (usually just after a question mark). The hook is now "selected" and looks darker than the rest of the page. Now, ctrl-c (hold down the "Ctrl" key while pressing "c") to copy. Now enter any software that counts characters, such as http://allworldphone.com/count-words-characters.htm . Click the character count, and ctrl-v to "paste". Click "Calculate characters". It now shows the character count, including spaces. Art LaPella (talk) 04:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
238-character hook - shorten to under 200. —97198 (talk) 07:18, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Articles created/expanded on September 2
... that Samuel Johnson's London, his first major work, contains the beginnings of his views on literature, politics and ethics? self-nom, new pages (with one "early life" explained - All pages contain information pulled over from other pages, but contain a lot of new information (over 3k worth each, plus headers, etc). I talked to some people about a dispute before - Johnbod, and Art LaPella are pushing forth an "unwritten" rule to say that content like this must be a five fold expansion above the information pulled elsewhere. I believe that there is no difference if I added in that information now or if I were to wait 5 days after to add it in after it went through DYK, especially when there is enough new information to warrant it as a topic without any problem. The only page that would be a problem here is the "early life" page, as the rest are all new and written together with the information placed on the main Samuel Johnson page and are not duplicate.) This is all a question on if early life should be bolded or not. The other three are new and not a content split, but pages created per FAC and then linked into the main page later. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:56, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed - discussion as to whether splits are allowed at all, or must be expanded x5, here. Comments welcome. Johnbod (talk) 02:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, ALT: ... that Samuel Johnson's London, his first major work, contains the beginnings of his views on literature, politics and ethics? - first hook of the original 4 de-bolded, since there is a clear concensus on the talk page discussion against including articles with more than 20% copied from an older article. Johnbod (talk) 02:42, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I wanted to note that "consensus" does not match what John states. Consensus would be Village Pump and the community actually agreeing to the concept and having it become official. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The hook doesn't pertain particularly to the subject, "Afro-Brazilian Culture". The hook is unintuivive as well. Punkmorten (talk) 19:33, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Had a look for alternatives with more relevance, but ubfirtunately I can't find anything appropriate. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:34, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nice subject - I know we're lazy but searching the article for "25" or "twenty" should find this fact or do we need to do arithmetic? Victuallers (talk) 13:50, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. I just added it, shall I remove it again? Or shall we add it. Cheers, Casliber (talk· contribs) 13:54, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article uses bare URLs for citations, is unwikified, and has other issues. The primary editor does not seem willing to address these concerns. - Boston (talk) 21:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have cleaned up some refs, some more RSs would be great. Cheers, Casliber (talk· contribs) 10:20, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article doesn't quite make this clear. In fact, it suggests that modern scholarship has been critical of these editions on these grounds. Daniel Case (talk) 03:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Perotti attacks Bussi's practice, then common, of adding one's own preface to an ancient text, and also his the quality of his editing". Clearly it should read "Perotti attacks Bussi's practice, then common, of adding one's own preface to an ancient text, and also the quality of his editing". I have since added "and accuracy". Did you really think that Perotti, writing to the secretary of cardinal-nephew Marco Barbo, was "modern scholarship"? Did you not click on the link if unsure? I don't expect anybody to know who Perotti is, but I expect them to click on the link if they don't. Srnec (talk) 03:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Daniel Kievsky was the first Russian travel-writer? self nominated, new article by --Doug Coldwelltalk 22:27, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Object Badly written, ill-sourced article, researched by Google, and containing such writing as Kievsky traveled during the time of the middle ages. (To pile Ossa upon Pelion, Kievsky isn't a surname, it's a post-positive adjective.) SeptentrionalisPMAnderson 18:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The main reference for the article is the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition which I based my article on. --Doug Coldwelltalk 22:42, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced the objected use of "Kievsky" with his first name of "Daniel". --Doug Coldwelltalk 16:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Kapala, the tantric's skull bowl has a link with Charnel ground or Sky burial practice in Tibet and the derivative name Kapalik well known as a tantric in India. the stub article Kapala with 1,824 bytes has been expanded to 14,558 bytes.--Nvvchar (talk) 06:26, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is it accepted or rejected?--Nvvchar (talk) 12:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't meet the rules as it is. The hook is not well phrased, or linked, & the Kapalik part is referenced, via a mirror site, only to another WP article. There are plenty of potential hooks here & I suggest you read the rules & try another version of this or a different one. Date & article size ok. Johnbod (talk) 18:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Tang DynastychancellorLü Yin was poor in his youth and was only able to start his civil service career due to the financial support by his father-in-law? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 06:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ALT: ... that Lü Yin grew up in poverty and would not be able to start his civil service career and eventually become a Tangchancellor without the financial support from his father-in-law? --74.14.18.83 (talk) 07:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thought I did. Will add. --Nlu (talk) 03:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
... that Lonar Lake in the Buldana district of Maharashtra, India, a unique salt water lake in basaltic formation, is an explosion crater lake created by a meteor weighing about 2 million tonnes hitting the earth some 50,000 ± 6,000 years ago? Nvvchar (talk) 02:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hook is 239 characters - shorten to under 200. —97198 (talk) 06:19, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pls wikify the hook while you shorten it. Thx. --74.14.18.83 (talk) 07:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The artcile has been shortened from 15,336 bytes to 12134 bite. I was under the impression that artciles could be upto 30 kb size.--Nvvchar (talk) 12:17, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hook is modified as -
... that Lonar Lake in India, a unique salt water lake in basaltic formation, is an explosion crater lake created some 50,000 ± 6,000 years ago?--Nvvchar (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been shortened? Why? There is no cap on article size, but there is a cap of 200 characters on hook length. BTW, you may want to apply {{cite web}} in the article. You may also consider moving Lonar lake to Lonar Lake, and merging with Lonar crater. --74.14.18.83 (talk) 13:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lonar lake is created under the category of List of Lakes in Asia under the sub list of List of Lakes in India and I consider it desirable to maintain the identity of the lake since it is popular in India as a lake rather than a crater, and the lake may also be considered for recognition as a Ramsar site for conservation. Lonar crater is a shorter article (dealing with geological aspects only) and it may not be appropriate to merge Lonar lake with it. Should I now create another article with the title Lonar Lake? As regards shortening the article, I got confused between Hook and article. I will restore it to the original size.Please consider retaining the article as Lonar lake.--Nvvchar (talk) 15:47, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't create another article with the title Lonar Lake. There should be one article about the lake, not one about the lake and another about the Lake. The only reason I capitalized the word "Lake" in the title is because the word "Lake" is normally capitalized in that context – for example, Great Bear Lake not "Great Bear lake". If that rule is different in India, then maybe this is a WP:ENGVAR situation. In either case, the suggestion was to move the article – that is, change the title from "Lonar lake" to "Lonar Lake" – certainly not to write a duplicate article. Art LaPella (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Right. Pls see WP:MOVE. --74.14.18.39 (talk) 05:34, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done The article has been moved to Lonar Lake. Mspraveen (talk) 16:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Copy-edited the lead with appropriate citation templates. I propose an ALT hook:
Resolve the merge tags issue with the crater article. I really don't see a need for anything but a redirect there. Daniel Case (talk) 03:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Daniel, The merge tag, IMO as an independent editor, is inappropriate. The crater article needs to be merged with this article than the other way around. Mspraveen (talk) 03:55, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The article was deleted. Art LaPella (talk) 23:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
ref history and size fine. Pic is eye catching too. Victuallers (talk) 11:18, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Article needs another 500 bytes which shouldnt be hard with this fascinating character. History is fine, 1 english ref is fine, 2 russian ones AGF hook could use some tightening up dm (talk) 16:50, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
I suggest "WSJ. magazine" not just "WSJ", because the title has a period and because the better-known Wall Street Journal newspaper is also known as the WSJ. Art LaPella (talk) 22:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't meet the rules as it is. The hook is not well phrased, or linked, & the Kapalik part is referenced, via a mirror site, only to another WP article. There are plenty of potential hooks here & I suggest you read the rules & try another version of this or a different one. Date & article size ok. Johnbod (talk) 18:10, 2 September 2008 (UTC)