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Most recorded song
Somebody has delited my comments that Yesterday is not the most recorded song. There is a documented discography over I Ain't Gonna Study War No More / Down by the Riverside in the Danish Peace Academy with about 3400 recordings of I Ain't Gonna Study War No More / Down by the Riverside:
http://www.fredsakademiet.dk/abase/sange/diskografi.xml
What about "Summertime"? The wikipedia page for that song lists 26,000 recorded versions —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.237.238.32 (talk) 18:58, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Holger Terp, Editor, The Danish Peace Academy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.92.0.198 (talk) 02:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Over 3000 versions? Article at The Independent, says that Eleanor Rigby is #1 with 131 covers and Yesterday #2 with no number mentioned. Also, somebody said Summertime has been recorded almost 14000 times. Well on The Independent's list it's #7 only... Is The Independent usually considered a good source? 85.217.45.151 (talk) 16:15, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
In the introduction one can read: "The song remains popular today with more than 3,000 recorded cover versions." [REFERENCE NEEDED. Pointing out that the Guinness World Records says so is not enough. You need to state which edition of the book is used as reference etc.] However, under the heading Reception one can read: ""Yesterday" is the most recorded song in the history of popular music; its entry in Guinness World Records suggests over 1600 different cover versions to date". Very confusing. Furthermore either write 3000 | 1600 OR 3,000 |1,600 but not 3,000 | 1600. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.44.196.146 (talk) 14:57, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Scrambled eggs
"A common, mythical variation on this lyric often found is "Scrambled eggs / Oh my darling you've got lovely legs". Jane Asher makes a reference to this in her book Things He Said Today: "Don't believe that part about 'how I loved your legs.' That's bunk. My legs are horrid."" Well, the lyrics weren't necessarily about Jane Asher. In "any Years from Now On" Paul McCartney repeats the claim that the lyrics were "Scrambled eggs / Oh my darling you've got lovely legs". Of course, he might just be telling a good story, but if the only reason the claim is said to be untrue is that Jane Asher says she had horrible legs...--Deadworm222 00:06, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Top 100
I'm baffled by the claim that they had 23 singles in the Top 100 in 1976, because there wasn't a top 100 back then. I don't think there was even a "bubbling under" list at that point. Bonalaw 21:29, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Per the book "The Billboard book of Top 40 Hits" by Joel Whitburn, ISBN 0-8230-7499-4, pg. 9, The Hot 100 is the "main" billboard chart. I don't know if the "Top 100" chart also existed. I doubt it, but I can't say for sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BooDog (talk • contribs) 09:22, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
to re-review the article after I re-re-re-re-copyedited it, so I'm listing it here instead. The main complaint was that the facts, etc. were great, but the manner of presentation, particularly grammar, was nowhere near featured standard. Johnleemk | Talk 11:18, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Personally, I think they're wrong. I've reread it again, and can't find any writing problems. I'd renominate if I were you.[[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 20:02, 2004 Aug 7 (UTC)
- I agree with Meelar. Ambi 07:12, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Me too. I love it. How long since it was rejected on FAC? I might renominate it myself, but I'd need to look at the old discussion first. Dandrake 02:54, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
- Based on your comments, I've renominated it. Johnleemk | Talk 07:38, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Not a good Choice
This is stupid. Encyclopedias are for the dissemination of information among the general public. Although I understand that there is interesting information here (a lot of interesting information at that) I do not think this would be useful to most people, and I also think that this would not go under the category of one of Wikipedia's most excellent articles.
- Luckily encylopedias, like most everything else, are not made for individuals and their personal whims, likes, and dislikes. Your disinterest in music says more about yourself than music or encyclopedias. This article is accesible except in the section on the melody which does not explain (or even link to) the musical terminology used (with the exception of tonic). If this is the source of your complaint, rather than complain about something you don't understand, you could simply have asked people with a different, not infererior, area of knowledge to make those edits and explanations. Hyacinth 00:42, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Possible copyright violation?
I'm not a copyright lawyer, but is including the lyrics to "Scrambled Eggs" a copyright violation? McCartney may not have released this version of the song, but he did write it and presumedly never released it in to the public domain. It's apparently the complete lyrics so it goes beyond fair use. MK 04:36, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Song lyrics
Why are song lyrics included in this article only as external link ? IMO the songs lyrics should be in the article for that song. Are there some copyright problems or what. 193.58.197.218 11:11, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- They are a confirmed copyright violation, and as such, cannot be included in the article. Johnleemk | Talk 14:08, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
What's it about??
We present three different theories on what this song is about!
First, on the Wikipedia main page:
- It is a ballad about unrequited love
Second, in the article:
- in June 1965, McCartney completed the finishing touches on the lyric, which touched upon the death of his mother
Third, at the end of the article:
- Although the lyric is rather vague, it could be interpreted to reveal sadness about a lost loved one.
- All of those make sense. The lyrics were partially inspired by McCartney's mother's passing; the song can be construed to reveal sadness about a lost loved one, which could be McCartney's mother, or a lover who spurned him (unrequited love). The song's about the leaving of a loved one, but the song's never more specific than mentioning the subject is female ("why she had to go"). Johnleemk | Talk 18:24, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Sorry to bust the party, but looking at the Biography, it claims "It has been suggested that the lyrics are about the loss of Paul's mother, and one line could possibly be read as that. If so, it was an unconscious element in the song's composition." I think, therefore, it's a bit of a stretch to say here that the lyrics definitely touch on the death of Paul's mother. El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 02:05, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- When Paul learned of his Mother's death, he made a joke about the family losing her income. In a 1984 Playboy interview he said he regretted that comment for years. In the lyric he says something wrong after she leaves...just as after his mother died suddenly of breast cancer (and Paul and his brother were not told she was dying)he said something wrong. The lyrics are obviously and deliberately about his mother's death. Paul doesn't want to talk about it but it is pretty easy to figure out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.9.90 (talk • contribs)
- This thread is 3 years old and the article has changed significantly since then. If you have reasonable sources for this information, then it would be good to have it in. (John User:Jwy talk) 19:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- When Paul learned of his Mother's death, he made a joke about the family losing her income. In a 1984 Playboy interview he said he regretted that comment for years. In the lyric he says something wrong after she leaves...just as after his mother died suddenly of breast cancer (and Paul and his brother were not told she was dying)he said something wrong. The lyrics are obviously and deliberately about his mother's death. Paul doesn't want to talk about it but it is pretty easy to figure out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.221.9.90 (talk • contribs)
Lennon/McCartney credit "contract"
The top portion of this article says 'Although solely written by McCartney, due to his contract with the Beatles the song was credited to both him and John Lennon as "Lennon/McCartney".' This is incorrect.
The usage of the "Lennon/McCartney" writing credits for songs written by either Lennon, McCartney, or both during the Beatles years, was an informal agreement between the two artists and was never set in contractual form. Lennon and McCartney agreed early on in their career that any song either of them wrote would bear the credits "Lennon/McCartney" with the provision that they could change it at any time to make it seem more equal (for McCartney). John Lennon even honored this agreement for his non-Beatles "Plastic Ono Band" single, "Give Peace A Chance," released in 1969. Eventually, the "Lennon/McCartney" moniker was repeated so frequently that it became the de facto standard, and recent attempts to change the arrangement of the names by McCartney for live cover recordings his of Beatles work (that were primarily or solely written by him) to "by Paul McCartney and John Lennon" met with stiff resistance from Yoko Ono, the widow of John Lennon, and from legions of Beatles fans hesitant to break from tradition.
- Nice how Ono undid John's gesture of friendship to Paul by removing Paul from the "Give Peave a Chance" credit in the '90s. I don't recall any stink over that, and it was not put back as far as I know. John Cardinal 06:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Lyrics copyrights
I thought that most lyrics are copyrighted. The lyrics used in the article... Not sure, maybe fair-use policy will work fine? WB 23:09, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
- I know that those lyrics aren't the actrual lyrics of this song, however, does anyone know of their actual copyright status? I'm removing them until it is clarified. --FuriousFreddy 22:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
- If they are indeed based on an actual recording, then they would, I think, be covered under copyright by default (though I'm not a lawyer, let alone a Wikilaw expert). I'm glad they are gone anyway: I have serious doubts about their veracity and even if they are real it's stupid to have the nonsense lyrics when we can't have the real ones. Jgm 00:51, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
- The only possible way the actual original lyrics could have gotten here is if they were published somewhere, recorded or not. That makes them copyrighted by Paul. Fair use/fair dealing only allows a small amount of copyrighted material to be quoted for illustrative purposes. This is a serious issue that music labels are actively litigating against websites that serve lyrics. We don't want to get in the way of ham-fisted music industry lawyers. --Tysto 07:01, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
- If you're talking about the "Scrambled Eggs" lyrics, don't they need to be removed from the Spanish page as well? 71.131.255.155 20:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
References are broken
REFERENCES are borken!!--Herzog 02:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC) someone want to find alternatives?
- Well, the Globe and Mail reference has been broken for quite a while, and I think there's no alternative but to view it in the Internet archive (archive.org). The BMI link has mysteriously disappeared and I think that also will have to be viewed solely from the Internet archive. I have fixed the other two broken links, however. Johnleemk | Talk 14:24, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Just happened to try the five Craig Cross links under References and all appear to be broken. Perhaps someone else could try them to verify and, if necessary, one of the editors of this page come up with alternatives or archived versions. Cheers, Ian Rose 23:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I was just wondering how I go about fixing the broken links mentioned above. I am Craig Cross, and my Beatles book has been cited in numerous places throughout Wikipedia. All of the pages linked to still exist, but have slightly different URLs due to a website redesign. (The actual text quoted hasn't changed, and they do remain part of the same website -- wwww.beatles-discography.com).
Is there any way for me to fix the links? For example:
http://www.beatles-discography.com/y.html should be http://www.beatles-discography.com/song-by-song/?s=yesterday
and http://www.beatles-discography.com/us-singles.html, http://www.beatles-discography.com/uk-albums.html, http://www.beatles-discography.com/uk-eps.html, and http://www.beatles-discography.com/uk-singles.html should all be http://www.beatles-discography.com/record-by-record/
Londrummer (talk) 13:25, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Lennon snubbing Yesterday?
As regards Lennon supposedly snubbing Yesterday in his song 'How Do You Sleep' I think that this is wrong. When he sings: The only thing you done was yesterday / and since you're gone you're just another day, he is referring to the fact that he didn't think any of McCartney's Beatles music was worth much with the exception of Yesterday. This confirms the ferocity of his attack through the song as he is attacking all the music McCartney had recorded with the Beatles and after (Another Day). Lennon often admitted himself later that he did not truly think this but that it was just the way he felt at the time he wrote the song. It was more an emotional song about his feelings than an actual true reflection of the way he felt about McCartney's music. Regardless of this it emphasises Lennons respect for the song.
Recent revert
I reverted the addition {{fact}} to several places in the article because it didn't seem to make sense to me; any editor who casually browsed through the references would see that the article is corroborated by them. We don't need to liberally sprinkle footnotes throughout the text, if that's what was being requested. One footnote per paragraph seems fine to me. The addition of footnotes to the lead was reverted because the wikipedia:lead section is supposed to summarise the article; footnoting a summary doesn't make sense. I kept the {{fact}} for the stuff about the music because that stuff really doesn't have any sources. Johnleemk | Talk 14:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Paul and Pope John Paul
As much as I like the story, I can find absolutely no evidence of its truth, and it comes from a domain with a recent history of vandalism. I've marked with citation needed for now, but will probably delete if no one can corroborate. MBlume 23:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
List of artists/bands to cover Yesterday
I was wondering if anyone wanted to make a list of all the bands that have covered Yesterday? I'm not a HUGE fan of The Beatles, so I didn't want to start a list with inaccurate information. BadCRC 22:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
- WP:NOT a collection of indiscriminate information, so we don't as a rule include a list of every group to have covered a song (especially since there are thousands of cover versions for Yesterday). I don't have many covers of the song, but I know that some of those who have produced a cover include Ray Charles and Richard Clayderman. Johnleemk | Talk 09:55, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
- "we don't as a rule include a list of every group to have covered a song (especially since there are thousands of cover versions for Yesterday)". You could turn that around and say that if any song deserves to have a list of artists that covered it, it would be "Yesterday". That's pretty discriminate. (Not that I'm advocating or editing such a list, mind you.) JRM · Talk 19:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Difference between takes
The article currently states:
“ | On take 1, McCartney can be heard giving chord changes to George Harrison before starting, but he does not appear to actually play. Take 2 had two lines transposed from the first take: "There's a shadow hanging over me"/"I'm not half the man I used to be". | ” |
While it's true that take 2 has transposed lyrics compared to take 1, it should be noted that this is due to a vocal flub in take 1, not a re-working of the lyrics between takes, as is implied in the article. McCartney can clearly be heard smiling through the end of the second line and even more clearly in the "Oh" preceding "Yesterday came suddenly", indicating that he knew immediately that he flubbed the lyrics. —Gordon P. Hemsley→✉ 05:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
3000 different recordings??
Summertime by George Gershwin is stated to have 13,985 recordings, why is this not mentioned?--Jaapkroe 22:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Lennon quote
"We called it 'Scrambled Eggs' and it became a joke between us. We made up our minds that only a one-word title would suit, we just couldn't find the right one. Then one morning Paul woke up and the song and the title were both there, completed. I was sorry in a way, we'd had so many laughs about it."
This quote appears in The Beatles' Anthology (p. 165) and the credited source lists that book as a reference though not specifically for that quote. The actual quote says 'Scrambled Egg' rather than 'Scrambled Eggs'. Gr8white 02:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Full Lyrics To "Scrambled Eggs"
Found this first set of lyrics to Yesterday, from Keith Badman’s The Beatles Off The Record P.166:
"Scrambled eggs / Have an omelette with some Muenster cheese / Put your dishes in the wash bin please / So I can clean the scrambled eggs
"Join me do / There are lots of eggs for me and you / I’ve got ham and cheese and bacon too / So go get two, and join me do
"Fried, or sunny side / Just aren’t right the mix-bowl begs / Quick, go get a pan, and we’ll scramble up some eggs, eggs, eggs, eggs
Scrambled eggs / Good for breakfast, dinner time or brunch / Don’t buy six or twelve, buy a bunch / And we’ll have lunch on scrambled eggs"
It’s interesting, as it appears McCartney went to a lot of trouble with these lyrics, almost as if “Scrambled Eggs” was more than just a working title. Anyway, is it worth putting into the article? --Patthedog 16:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- Just read the copyright bit further up, seems that you've already covered this. Does that mean that the lyrics can't even appear here? --Patthedog 16:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
- The lyrics are fake in any case, see this article: [2]. 69.196.137.181 (talk) 05:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Beatles-singles-yesterday-uk.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Similarity between Yesterday and an old Italian song
Is there any proof apart from the cited website? Perhaps a link with some audio/video sample could be posted if it exists... 81.96.127.28 (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- No trace of a recording of this song on the net today. Even from sheet music, I would be able to tell. However, if it was from 1895, as claimed, by the time "Yesterday" was written it would probably have been out of copyright anyway, so it scarcely matters. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 23:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I think what matters is that we don't propagate a hoax (or a gross exaggeration). The Antara report is vague: the actual quote from Greco is only two words, and the statement "sounded remarkably similar"—to whom? If this were truly notable, a mainstream news organisation or publisher would have covered it. Not only is there no trace of a recording of the song, this story aside, there is no trace of any kind at all. I propose to delete this para. from the article. — Wrapped in Grey (talk) 16:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Most performed composition of all time?
- For starters it seems a pretty dubious claim, and as such I'm not sure it's worth perpetuating from an unsubstantiated source, even if cited. That said, without any citation, it has no place in the article. Jun-Dai (talk) 16:43, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'd have thought "Happy Birthday to You" would have a better claim to this. I don't have a Guinness Book of Records to hand, but I remember reading something about it. It may well be the song with most recorded versions, but that's not the same thing. --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 17:13, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I always thought the most performed song was the one sung outside the pub at 11 o'clock that nobody can remember the words to. :)--andreasegde (talk) 10:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
- I always wake up with a bad back after one of those nights, and I can never remember why. --Patthedog (talk) 10:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
Genre
I think it's rather Baroque pop than simply Pop. Why not to mention it in the infobox?--Betty kerner (talk) 18:12, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
- In principle, that seems plausible, but considering that the referenced genre is entirely unsourced, I wouldn't see it lasting long. Do you have a citation for this? --Rodhullandemu (Talk) 18:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
proposed merge
I oppose this merge. This article is about a song; the EP article is about a record. Two different things. Jgm (talk) 05:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I oppose the merge also. The only reason to merge appears to be that the article about the EP is a stub. Hyacinth (talk) 01:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
- Oppose - Yesterday (EP) could be regarded as a complete list (rather than a stub); a stub suggests there is more that should be added (maybe there is in this case - it will have been extensively reviewed). Plenty of album articles are little more than a list of the tracks. In any case, why merge to Yesterday rather than to one of the other 3 tracks? Occuli (talk) 09:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's been two full weeks with no defense of the proposal; I'm removing the tags. Jgm (talk) 13:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
happy birthday
well,everybody celebrates yesterday's birhtday! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.193.113.66 (talk) 17:46, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Yesterday inspired by Besame Mucho?
Regarding the fears of Paul McCartney about the presumed imitation of Yesterday, we should pay attention to the following: Checking the scores of pieces from different composers, which were played by the Beatles, we should notice that in the famous song composed by Consuelo Velasquez "Besame Mucho", the musical structure of the intital phrases is very similar to the ones of Yesterday, furthermore, the harmonic composition, follow the same parameters in the two melodies, without one being a copy of the other. One should notice McCartney's inclination towards Latin American music, specially "Besame Mucho", which he sang and recorded at least twice without commercial interest. Recording "Till There Was You", was one of his ideas. The song is more or less a bolero sang in English by himself. Paul McCartney once wanted to be named by the pseudonymous of "Paul Ramone", another evidence of his Latin American inclination. There is another coincidence between these two songs: "Besame mucho" is the most often recorded and most popular spanish speaking song of the Twentieth Century--Marquez (talk) 00:16, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
one thing you surely got wrong, he never called himself Paul Ramon, he called himself Paul Ramone, that's why the ramones where named the ramones, after his old pseudonym.
Yesterday in films?
It would be interesting to list the films in which we can hear Yesterday; like for example Once upon a time in America. Eschette (talk) 16:24, 30 December 2009 (UTC)Eschette
Add "Classical Music" to the genre.
You can't ignore the fact this song has Classical instruments and playing. If you were just listening to the background instruments it was a pure classical music song. I saw earlier someone added this and it was deleted so... Yeah I think it's a good idea... I mean, there isn't an official genre for that, and: Acoustic rock / Ballad for Paul and his guitar + Classical Music for the background instruments. What d'you say? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilmccartney (talk • contribs) 20:11, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
blue seventh in cello line
From the current article:
The string arrangement supplements the song's air of sadness, especially in the groaning cello melody and its blue seventh[33] that connects the two halves of the bridge (on the line, "I don't know / she wouldn't say")
The term "blue seventh" mentioned usually indicates a note played slighty lower in pitch from the seventh scale degree. In this case, key of F major, the seventh scale degree note is E, the leading tone. The blue seventh would be a slightly flatted E, its pitch falling somewhere between E and E♭.
However, in the song the cello plays an E♭ proper. Or a least to my ear, very nearly an E♭. This is confirmed by Pollack, a fequently used source on this article and all Beatles music:
- In response to a question he includes in his article. "There is a very strange (and interesting) seventh (E-flat in the key of F) played by the cello, in the middle of the bridge..." Pollack writes, "that E-flat in the cello is the only occurrence in the entire song of the flat seventh melodic degree and, showing up so late, lends an isolated, even surprising touch of the blues" - Pollack, Alan W (1 February 1993). "Notes on "Yesterday""
- note: the term "seventh" used by the questioning writer is used correctly here in a general sense. This is different, however, then my use here - "seventh" as in, the seventh degree of the major scale(leading tone). More accuratly the sentence should read "...very strange (and interesting) flat seventh degree (E-flat in the key of F major)..."
The E♭ in key of F major is rather rare. It could be labled as: the subtonic(although this somewhat implies a context of a minor scale/key), the augmented sixth (in terms of intervals), or as Pollack calls it, the flat seventh melodic degree. Considering the latter, it is possible someone reading a source confused "flat seventh melodic degree" or other similar term with a seventh (an E) intentionally played slightly lower in pitch, "bent" or "flattened" by the cellist for effect.
I am also considering the fact the WP article on blue note states "[a blue note] is a note sung or played at a slightly lower pitch than that of the major scale for expressive purposes. Typically the alteration is a semitone or less, but this varies among performers and genres"
This implies that a flat seventh degree note proper could be labeled a "blue note". I agree with this as far as in loose or common usage it would be acceptable. However in a strict musicological sense, a flat seventh degree note(E♭ in key F major) should be called exactly what it is. The subtonic or flat seventh melodic degree. The term "blue note" should be reserved for certain "blue sounding" notes that fall in between the notes of the chromatic 12 TET musical scale.
It is also possible the article's cited source - Cahill, Greg (June-July 2005). "Encore: It Was 40 Years Ago Today..." is claiming that the note is, in fact, a slightly flatted seventh. This would conflict with Pollack, but since I cannot access the Cahill source online, I don't know if this is the case or not.
I would like to change "blue seventh" to "melodic flat seventh" or an equivalent, using the Pollack source, but I want to make sure I'm on the right track here. And if so, is this the best way to fix it? Racerx11 (talk) 16:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
ehh, once again I've overworded. Let me sum it up in a nutshell.
The article makes a sourced statement that the strange cello note is a blue note. I have a source stating its merely an E-flat. Are these the same thing? I believe they're not the same. If so, should we make a change?Racerx11 (talk) 16:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- I think you're right, it's not a blue note, it's just that an E-flat there produces a slightly bluesy effect, as Pollack says. However, I suggest keeping the wording and book cite (since the Pollack website, while informative, doesn't really appear to constitute as reliable a source), but fixing the erroneous wikilinking to blue note. It should just link "blue" to blues. I've gone ahead and done this, pending any further comment. PL290 (talk) 18:07, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will go along with that for now, but I feel the need to point out: Alan Pollock's notes on... series is already being used countless times as a source on many and most WP articles concerning Beatles music, including this one. No less than seven times in this article alone. Racerx11 (talk) 19:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Understood; my only reason for mentioning it is to recommend keeping the book cite too. PL290 (talk) 19:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Fair enough, whatever further edits I make, if any, I will keep the book cite.Racerx11 (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- I made a couple minor edits and noticed another problem. The viola line described in the same paragraph alludes to the decending run F-C-B♭-A, is also the vocal melody in the word "day-ay-ay-ay" at the end of the line "now I long for yes-ter-day-ay-ay-ay" and refers to this as the segue from the chorus back to the verse. This is fine except its calling it the end of the "chorus" and we were refering to the very same section of the song as the "bridge". It could be either but to be consisten it has to be one or the other. I chose bridge because the real "hook" of the song is the at the end of each verse. The melody in "I believe in yesterday" and hummed at the end. This hook can serve as the proper "chorus" if one insists there be a chorus.
- Understood; my only reason for mentioning it is to recommend keeping the book cite too. PL290 (talk) 19:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will go along with that for now, but I feel the need to point out: Alan Pollock's notes on... series is already being used countless times as a source on many and most WP articles concerning Beatles music, including this one. No less than seven times in this article alone. Racerx11 (talk) 19:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- I made the change and I am satisfied with it now.Racerx11 (talk) 22:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Genre
There's nothing "baroque" about yesterday... it should be "classical music, pop" Pilmccartney (talk) 21:34, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
1st number one without any percussion ?
Hi - I'm new to Wikipedia editing, so please can you offer assistance?
I heard on the radio that Yesterday was the very first no 1 in the Uk charts without any percussion (the vast majority of course having drums playing the beat in a pop song - maybe one or two had some other percussion instrument (does anyone know - out of interest?). I believe Yesterday was unique in that the beat was played out by the bass strings of McCartney's guitar, with no other percussion instrument present.
My article was reverted due to lack of a credible citation. Can anyone help with corroboration of this proposed information? Thanks! Spursguy (talk) 16:42, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Why a special section for the Wet Wet Wet cover?
Nothing in the last section on the Wet Wet Wet cover offers any clue as to why it would merit special mention over the thousands of other covers. Perhaps an overzealous Wet Wet Wet fan? Seems like that should be omitted. 63.139.189.34 (talk) 19:17, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
- Please let consensus be reached; this can only be achieved given a reasonable time for discussion. It seems to be usual for notable cover versions that have charted to be included in the song's article- see Video Killed the Radio Star, for example. Arguably, this might mean including versions by Matt Monro, Marianne Faithfull and Ray Charles as well, but until that happens, perhaps we should keep it. If it happens, there would be little objection to forking the article into Cover Versions of "Yesterday" that Charted. Rodhullandemu 22:32, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
"original" version on Jimmy Fallon
The article already mentions Paul singing "original" version "Scrambled Eggs" with Jimmy Fallon on Late Night. But really this version is most probably was written for the show (there are some speculation on various boards about who actually wrote it and if Sir Paul had a hand in this). I already wanted to fix the info, but then I realized that there's actually no source of information. While everybody agrees that this is a joke, but it's really only a speculation. On the other hand, currently article makes one think that this was actual performance of a real temporary lyrics. So, one is speculation, another is (most probably) just wrong. What should be done in this case? --188.134.32.80 (talk) 11:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Reception and Kanye West
Can anyone explain how the uncited reference to the lyric by Kanye West relates to the reception of the song? It seems to me that is simply an attempt to link West's name to this song. Is there any way that a vote can be held to decide whether this sentence be removed? --95.112.222.74 (talk) 02:34, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
1600 covers..... but....
It should be noted if those covers were done by professorial artists and if they were released professorially or not. Because 1600 just has me thinking youtube, Guinness or not... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.199.45 (talk) 09:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- Updated to say 1600 by 1986—I don't think they had Youtube then... Uniplex (talk) 09:23, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
According to "The Compleat Beatles" this was 1600 recorded and released versions. The "Summertime" note is, I believe, spurious. There may well be 25,000 recorded versions of performances of Summertime, but these are not released versions, they are probably almost _all_ merely recordings of the work being performed. This is akin to buskers or piano bar players or cover bands recording their versions of Yesterday and adding that to Yesterday's total. I think the Summertime note is irrelevant and apples to oranges and should be removed. Yesterday, by many sources, claims the most professionally recorded and released versions of any song. The GBWR may not be completely definitive, but it is an accepted, well researched source, by all accounts. Tasterson (talk) 02:15, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Contemporary reviews
I came to this article looking for contemporary reviews of the song, as it was at the time unlike anything The Beatles had released before, or indeed unlike anything that had been released in pop music at the time. I wanted to see what original reviewers of the album had to say about this new direction and maturity for group, but there is nothing! Could there be a section added for this? Crazy Eddy (talk) 17:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Move request
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: pages moved per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria (both educational value and readership usage per the stats provided), WP:NOTADICT, and WP:NOTVOTE -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
– This song is most certainly the primary topic for "yesterday", as one of the most covered songs ever. I wouldn't know which entry on the dab page even comes close to this. See also "Something", another Beatles song that uses a common English word, and which probably isn't even as notable as this song. The Evil IP address (talk) 15:51, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Support per nom. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 18:16, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose "Yesterday" is far too generic a name, and this article doesn't come close to the "more likely than all the other topics combined" standard. --BDD (talk) 21:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose If Yesterday was to be moved to Yesterday (disambiguation); then what about the small piece of information briefly explaining what "yesterday" means. Don't fix what ain't broken. Wesley☀Mouse 21:58, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Support. All the other uses are obscure, so this song is the primary topic. As to the small piece of information about what the word yesterday means, it should not be there per WP:NOTADICT. --Born2cycle (talk) 23:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose too generic, and no one will search "Yesterday" without +Beatles or +song in any case. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:13, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose clearly the primary topic is the temporal concept of "yesterday", and it should redirect to the article covering temporal concepts, and how various cultures treat "yesterday" differently, etc. 65.92.180.19 (talk) 03:47, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- There is no such article. --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Comment: I am very sympathetic to the argument in favor of this move, as I don't believe that non-article uses should be considered. But I can't help thinking that a significant number of people searching for "Yesterday" might actually be looking for information on the day before the current date. I don't know if there's a good way to get them to that information, but there's a strong argument that we should at least take it into account. Powers T 16:02, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- Most operating systems have a built-in calendar that is far more easily accessible than Wikipedia. — AjaxSmack 20:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed, but most people are not rational. Come to think of it, though, I Support, with the addition of a hatnote linking either to Wiktionary or to the article on the previous days date (calculated with parser functions). A hatnote will suffice to capture any wayward searches. Powers T 00:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Most operating systems have a built-in calendar that is far more easily accessible than Wikipedia. — AjaxSmack 20:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Comment: Whether we call the disambiguation page Yesterday or Yesterday (disambiguation), I agree the disambiguation page should have a link to the "article covering temporal concepts". So what is that page? GoingBatty (talk) 17:40, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- There is none because the term has no encyclopedic value. This is an encyclopedia not a phone app and most users are smart enough to search for something like "time" for info on time concepts. — AjaxSmack 20:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose: Considering the large number of articles titled Yesterday, it would be presumptuous to assume that a user would be searching for this Yesterday. Piriczki (talk) 19:21, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- Presumptuous, but what if it's true? — AjaxSmack 20:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose – as the title of 3 notable films, 5 notable songs, and several other notable things and a well-known meaning not as a title, Yesterday is too ambiguous to be hijacking for one meaning as "primary". Dicklyon (talk) 21:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
- At least the songs are definitely less notable than this one, and I have my doubts about the other items, too. --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Question - Are there any reports that would show where Wikipedia visitors go after they get to the current Yesterday disambiguation page? If 95% went to Yesterday (song), that would be a much more compelling argument than if only 25% did. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:02, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- Well, we don't have stuff like Google Analytics, but we can use stats.grok.se. So far, the song "Yesterday" has been viewed about 14,000 times, while the closest match, the TV channel, has been viewed 1,000 times. Unfortunately, there are no stats for the Wiktionary entry about "yesterday", AFAIK. --The Evil IP address (talk) 10:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose. "Yesterday" primarily refers to the day before today, not the song. The dab page is fine where it is. Jafeluv (talk) 10:44, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- At Wiktionary it does but this is not a dictionary. — AjaxSmack 20:54, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
If you are participating in the discussion, you should be aware of WP:MOSDAB and you might be able to get some assistance, clarification and other help from people who hang out at WT:DAB. --John (User:Jwy/talk) 01:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose, absent evidence of primacy per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: a topic is primary if it is much more likely than any other topic and more likely than all the other topics combined to be the topic sought. Currently, 10 other articles share the "Yesterday (X)" namespace, and primacy would need to be demonstrated above all combined. ENeville (talk) 21:11, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
- Stats from stats.grok.se for the last 90 days:
Article Name Stats Yesterday [the disambiguation page] 10,807 Yesterday (song) 78,215 Yesterday (Shanice song) 465 Yesterday (Toni Braxton song) 4,600 Yesterdays (1933 song) 1,803 Yesterdays (Guns N' Roses song) 4,740 Yesterday (EP) 2,426 Yesterday (Grave Digger EP) 319 Yesterdays (Keith Jarrett album) 337 Yesterdays (Yes album) 3,545 Yesterdays (band) 512 Yesterday (1981 film) 322 Yesterday (2002 film) 2,091 Yesterday (2004 film) 5,748 Yesterday (TV channel) 7,543 Yesterday (Grey's Anatomy) 931 Yesterday (Law & Order: Criminal Intent) 460 Total excluding "Yesterday (song)" and the DAB page 35,842
- Is this what you wanted to see? GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
- Comment. GoingBatty has done what should have been done from the start, of course. Thank you! (I have boldly edited the last line of that table for clarity.)
- Now, what do those statistics reveal, and what practical relevance do they have?
- What the stats reveal
- They show that enquirers are looking for all sort of things under the rubric "yesterday" (a very common English word, which after all is why it is so often chosen as a title).
- They show that of the total pageviews (124,864), just 8.7% went to the DAB page. We have no idea what those enquirers were after: the Beatles song? another song? another topic covered by a WP article? the general temporal concept of "yesterday"? a conspectus of possible meanings for the term "yesterday" (so that they were entirely satisfied by the DAB page, and sought nothing beyond what it shows)?
- They show that of the pageviews that bypassed the DAB page (91.3% of the grand total), 68.6% went directly to the Beatles song article, but we have little idea how many of those pageviews were satisfied: by comparison, 10.2% went directly to articles for songs called "Yesterday[s]", but many such enquirers might have wanted those instead when they selected the imprecise title "Yesterday (song)", which describes their target just as accurately as it describes the Beatles song. Not all readers will have noticed the hatnote at the Beatles song article; we know about those, but not all readers do.
- They show a lot more, which others might like to elucidate.
- The practical relevance of the stats
- They confirm for us that the Beatles song is the most famous and the most enquired after.
- They do not remotely suggest that any loss of precision, by dropping the qualifier "(song)", would benefit any readers, in any way, anywhere.
Those believing otherwise should show us an argument for such a benefit, taking into account how Wikipedia search prompts operate, and how Google search results operate. - They do suggest that greater precision would be helpful: Yesterday (Beatles song).
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- NoeticaTea? 01:55, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose. Ridiculous. But what a superb example of how statistics can mislead! This proposal and its arguments should receive some serious scrutiny! Andrewa (talk) 08:36, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Yesterday is too generic
Disambiguation should be reinstated. I came here not looking for a song. The last commenter above (Andrewa) is spot-on. It's misleading to hijack such a generic word using statistic misapplication. By same shoddy trick the page titled "Apple" should be redirected to the company and not the fruit since that's what the stat indicates. --Loginnigol (talk) 11:30, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
- What were you looking for? GoingBatty (talk) 03:41, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- I was looking for info on Yesterday (similar to this). The more relevant & ontopic question you should ask is, why are a clique of pop star band fanatic editors so obsessed with hijacking a generic every-day term in an ENCYCLOPEDIA to express their rabid worship and adoration? Loginnigol (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with Loginnigol and the opposers in the move discussion above. This is the silliest article move I've seen. WP:CONSENSUS was against the move in that discussion and I'm not basing that on "votes." That move should be sent to WP:Move review. Flyer22 (talk) 20:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- @Loginnigol: - Once you discovered that Yesterday is an article about the Beatles song, did you find a Wikipedia article that contained the information you're looking for? Or to ask another way, if this was article was to be renamed to Yesterday (song) or Yesterday (The Beatles song), what would you want users to see when they type Yesterday? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:23, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- What I expected to discover is either (1st option) an article or (2nd option) a redirect to a broader article daling with days or (3rd option) let that be the disambiguation page with just a sentence or two written in the "refers to" and a list of the other alternative things that are associated with the word. All these three options were not taken - instead a clique of rabid 1960s pop music fanatics decided to hijack the word for a commercial product - fraudulently pretending as it wasn't an extremely common English word that is literally spoken by a person almost every single day! Loginnigol (talk) 09:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I don't think they were pretending it's not an English word - they were tying to figure out what people who search Wikipedia for "Yesterday" really want. Other than a dictionary definition of the word, what information about "yesterday" were you looking for? Are you going to write an article about "Yesterday" the common word, or are you going to suggest where Yesterday should redirect to? If you ended up at Yesterday (disambiguation), where would you go from there to get the info you wanted? GoingBatty (talk) 01:45, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
- What I expected to discover is either (1st option) an article or (2nd option) a redirect to a broader article daling with days or (3rd option) let that be the disambiguation page with just a sentence or two written in the "refers to" and a list of the other alternative things that are associated with the word. All these three options were not taken - instead a clique of rabid 1960s pop music fanatics decided to hijack the word for a commercial product - fraudulently pretending as it wasn't an extremely common English word that is literally spoken by a person almost every single day! Loginnigol (talk) 09:35, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- @Loginnigol: - Once you discovered that Yesterday is an article about the Beatles song, did you find a Wikipedia article that contained the information you're looking for? Or to ask another way, if this was article was to be renamed to Yesterday (song) or Yesterday (The Beatles song), what would you want users to see when they type Yesterday? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:23, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I agree with Loginnigol and the opposers in the move discussion above. This is the silliest article move I've seen. WP:CONSENSUS was against the move in that discussion and I'm not basing that on "votes." That move should be sent to WP:Move review. Flyer22 (talk) 20:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I was looking for info on Yesterday (similar to this). The more relevant & ontopic question you should ask is, why are a clique of pop star band fanatic editors so obsessed with hijacking a generic every-day term in an ENCYCLOPEDIA to express their rabid worship and adoration? Loginnigol (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed, it's hard to imagine from the above discussion how the RM closed for move. This needs to be fixed. Dicklyon (talk) 05:24, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Attempted editing of, paraphrasing now, the structure discussion in the article re the song "Yesterday" was aborted...as I have a gig to go to and the referencing format required in Wiki does not fit what I would like to report as my reference.
Hello, I am new to the idea of revising Wikipedia articles.
I simply attempted to revise and more accurately report the chord structure of this song "Yesterday" in the section of the article, if I recall, and I am probably paraphrasing its name, called "Structure of the Song". I have 58 years of learning to render songs on the keyboard by ear. This means I hear it, i.e. I hear the actual artist(s) singing and/or playing his/her/their instruments, seek the chord structure, the movements by the "bass" notes of the music between chords, other "additions" played by the various voices and instrument to the chord, and the notes hit by possible singer(s) of a song, and then I play the song as I hear these things on my piano or whatever keyboard I have at the time.
Wikipedia's formal approach to editing caused me some difficulties, so I stopped. Mostly, the referencing rules of Wikipedia were a challenge to me. How does on "reference" what one "hears"? I don't know....
Thank you Wikipedia for this fine article, although I wish I had the time to fix the purported chord structure of this song given in your article by one Pollack in 1993. Indeed, as at least this man BENSON writing this hears the song, there are several errors in these two paragraphs about the two "parts" of the song's structure...errors can be clearly seen there regarding the chord descriptions, in particular. This is quite sad to see on the "most important" or whatever, song of the 20th century. So, everyone will see the incorrect information given by Pollack.. This is not meant as any attempt to criticize the fine reputation of M. Pollack, merely to suggest that some important chords he/she describes that are in the song are either missing from Pollack's description, or improperly described, at least in this man BENSON's point of view, I. E. from his "ears" point of view.......So good by for now to Wikipedia editing for me.....I wish you all of the best, but I have a gig to prepare for................... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corky at (talk • contribs) 00:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC)