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== uncyc.ca or uncyc.co (or both)? ==

Apparently the page is now locked because of an edit war. I think we should include both URLs as they both are Uncyclopedia. <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 23:33, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

:{{ping|Alison}} ISTR you understood this topic (please ignore if I'm wrong) so perhaps you could comment on the recent edit war. I noticed this article and [[:File:Uncyclopedia screenshot.png]] at [[WP:RFPP]] where full protection was requested due to a dispute over which website to feature. The [[:meta:interwiki map]] uses en.uncyclopedia.co for Uncyclopedia, and there is an old (June 2018) request for removal at [[:meta:Talk:Interwiki map#Uncyclopedia]]. The competitor apparently is uncyclopedia.ca. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 07:04, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

:: I don't think there is any competition; what happened was that Uncyclopedia was forked in 2013 over fears of being shut down. Then the Fandom Uncyclopedia site was being shut down in April 2019 because of Fandom terms of use violations. Before the Fandom site was shut down, it was forked again.<br><br>BTW I just found [https://uncyclopedia.org/ this] on what used to be a redirect to FANDOM uncyclopedia. <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 19:48, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

:::The original site was hosted at Wikia/FANDOM. A small group of editors forked from this site and started <code>uncyclopedia.co</code>. These users were known to be trolls in the wider Uncyclopedia community, who did not authorize this fork and some of these trolls have since been blocked for their behavior. So the original site stayed until Wikia/FANDOM closed it down and at this point we moved to <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>. .ca is the original site moved from Wikia and is therefore the most notable.

:::Forks are made all the time. There's forks of [[Android]] that aren't noteworthy. There's forks of other wikis that are not noteworthy. Just because a small group forks a website doesn't make the fork "official", when the official site still exists. Therefore, '''uncyclopedia.ca''' is the site that should be mentioned and not .co. [[User:BFDIBebble|BFDIBebble]] ([[User talk:BFDIBebble|talk]]) ([[WP:SPI/PKHilliam|sockpuppet of PKHilliam]]) 22:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

::::I would like to know if you have any sources confirming that the users who started <code>uncyclopedia.co</code> are "known to be trolls in the wider Uncyclopedia community", especially considering that <code>uncyclopedia.co</code> has about six times the amount of active users as <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>(see [[uncyclopedia:Special:ActiveUsers|here]] and [http://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers here]), making it by far a majority of the "wider Uncyclopedia community", especially if it is only the English language Uncyclopedias that are being considered. I would also like to know if you have any sources confirming that some of the many users who facilitated the site move "have been blocked for their behavior". [[User:RAGentry|RAGentry]] ([[User talk:RAGentry|talk]]) 22:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::One of the administrators, Spike, has blocked several users from Uncyclopedia.co and [https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/User:Spike claimed they are trolls]. [[User:BFDIBebble|BFDIBebble]] ([[User talk:BFDIBebble|talk]]) ([[WP:SPI/PKHilliam|sockpuppet of PKHilliam]]) 00:20, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

::::::The sockpuppet accounts banned by Spike today do not have counterparts on <code>uncyclopedia.co</code>, they are all copies of account names from <code>en.wikipedia.org</code> -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 00:32, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

::::The site at <code>uncyclopedia.org</code> was made by a troll and should not be taken seriously. Anybody who writes anything such as <code>Uncyclopedia.ca is not affiliated with en.uncyclopedia.co - in fact they are not speaking to each other</code> is obviously trolling. [[User:BFDIBebble|BFDIBebble]] ([[User talk:BFDIBebble|talk]]) ([[WP:SPI/PKHilliam|sockpuppet of PKHilliam]]) 22:12, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

:::::The site at <code>uncyclopedia.org</code> was in fact made by one of <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>'s three active bureaucrats, I'm not sure if that individual would be considered a troll at <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>. [[User:RAGentry|RAGentry]] ([[User talk:RAGentry|talk]]) 22:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

::::::As the situation currently stands, and considering [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:BFDIBebble_reported_by_User:Kevindongyt_(Result:_) BFDIBebble's active edit-warring], it is perhaps best to find a neutral solution that puts an emphasis on the activity level of each respective site, instead of individual editors' claim to any Uncyclopedia website's legitimacy. If the situation escalates further, it would be best to remove any and all links to Uncyclopedia from the article. [[User:Kevindongyt|Kevindongyt]] ([[User talk:Kevindongyt|talk]]) 22:43, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

uncyc.ca is the real one and the one you should mention. i have never heard of .co and it sounds as legit as a camrip dvd.<small>— [[User:Sircaustix|Sircaustix]] ([[User talk:Sircaustix|talk]] ([[WP:SPI/PKHilliam|sockpuppet of PKHilliam]]) &#32;• [[Special:Contributions/Sircaustix|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added at 00:35, 28 April 2020 (UTC) (UTC).</small>

:Uncyclopedia.ca has received extensive media coverage within the press and this dates back to the Wikicities/Wikia/Fandom days. Uncyclopedia.co on the other hand has not had any press coverage and is quite a small project in comparison. I believe with this in mind, Uncyclopedia.ca is the site that should have the sole link mention and not Uncyclopedia.co. [[User:Susborne|Susborne]] ([[User talk:Susborne|talk]]) ([[WP:SPI/PKHilliam|sockpuppet of PKHilliam]]) <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 00:38, 28 April 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> <small>— [[User:Susborne|Susborne]] ([[User talk:Susborne|talk]]&#32;• [[Special:Contributions/Susborne|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

::Hello Susborne, would you mind pointing me to some of the "extensive media coverage" that uncyclopedia.ca has received since its creation in May 2019? Also I am not sure how uncyclopedia.co is "quite a small project in comparison" to uncyclopedia.ca, considering that uncyclopedia.ca ([http://uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers 19 active users]) has only one ''sixth'' of the active userbase of uncyclopedia.co ([[uncyclopedia:Special:ActiveUsers|123 active users]]). [[User:RAGentry|RAGentry]] ([[User talk:RAGentry|talk]]) 00:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

I am strongly suspecting sockpuppetry here. Several newly created accounts are editing this talkpage in order to increase .ca's validity. [[User:Kevindongyt|Kevindongyt]] ([[User talk:Kevindongyt|talk]]) 00:41, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

: Should we open up a [[WP:RFC|request for comment]] for .co vs .ca? Both? Neither? <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 00:46, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

::Personally, I would prefer not starting RfC immediately, however if this doesn't resolve itself soon, then it would be a good idea - RfC can be a potentially lengthy process. [[User:Kevindongyt|Kevindongyt]] ([[User talk:Kevindongyt|talk]]) 00:50, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

:::I recommend opening up an RFC to settle this matter once and for all. [[User:BFDIBebble|BFDIBebble]] ([[User talk:BFDIBebble|talk]]) ([[WP:SPI/PKHilliam|sockpuppet of PKHilliam]]) 01:04, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

:::: <s>And... it's posted! See below. :) <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 01:39, 28 April 2020 (UTC)</s> Or not... we have to wait a bit... <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 04:35, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

=== Drafting an RfC (old) ===

{{ping|Johnuniq}} Now that the dust has settled can we start an RfC to try to achieve consensus towards .co, .ca, both, neither, etc.? <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 07:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

:An RfC is only needed if someone has a proposal for changing the article. Prior to this subsection there have been no comments on this talk, and no edits to the article, for a week. Is someone proposing a change? [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 07:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

:: I don't think so, but I do think that both domains should be included in the article. I have not implemented the change yet because I am not sure if there is consensus '''for''' or '''against''' having both domains listed there. Even then, there is an edit notice that says "Due to an ongoing dispute regarding which domain "uncyclopedia.ca" or "en.uncyclopedia.co" to use as the main page URL, any attempt to modify it without prior talk page discussions and subsequent consensus will be met with sanctions." At least the sock puppetry was dealt with for the most part. By listing both, we are not favoring one fork over another, but giving readers options.... but then, there is a question as to whether the .ca domain is notable. So maybe we may not need an RfC. It seems like it is just about ''changing'' the URL, not adding it back in anyway. <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 18:44, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

:::We generally don't bother holding RfCs in case a dispute arises; let's wait till then when issues will be more focused. Meanwhile, if you think there should be a change in the article, I suggest posting a new section with a reasonably concrete proposal: what would you include where? Then see what response occurs. If none, try editing the article. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 00:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

:::: Okay. The end. You can close this thread now {{u|Johnuniq}} :) <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 09:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

:::::Just to add that the user here using the handle 'Romartus Imperator' is not me. My registered name at wikipedia is Gepid. I am known as Romartus on both uncyclopedia.ca and uncyclopedia.co --[[User:Gepid|Gepid]] ([[User talk:Gepid|talk]]) 08:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

=== Request for Comment ===

{{hat|Please hold off on this until the comments below are handled (should an RfC occur?) and until some background is posted to allow people unfamiliar with the topic (which is the point of an RfC) to understand the issue without being lost in "see old discussions". This is in accord with the close at the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:BFDIBebble reported by User:Kevindongyt (Result: Warned)|edit warring noticeboard]] ([[Special:PermanentLink/953603534#User:BFDIBebble reported by User:Kevindongyt (Result: Warned)|permalink]]). [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 04:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)}}

Should we include uncyclopedia.co or uncyclopedia.ca or both in the "Official site" section? <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 01:14, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

==== Uncyclopedia.co ====

==== Uncyclopedia.ca ====

==== Both ====

==== Some other site? ====

{{hab}}

==== General Discussion ====

*{{reply to|Awesome Aasim}} I believe this topic was already settled {{Diff2|909680764|last August}}, I don't see any reason to discuss it further. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 01:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

*I agree with Zombiebaron, we have already been through this and discussed this and a settlement was reached. We do not need to restart this discussion. [[User:RAGentry|RAGentry]] ([[User talk:RAGentry|talk]]) 02:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

*Per the links in the hat note above (including the [[Special:PermanentLink/953603534#User:BFDIBebble reported by User:Kevindongyt (Result: Warned)|permalink]]), would anyone favoring a particular URL post a new section and edit it to taste in order to explain the background as you understand it. There are some good comments at the permalink and it would be very desirable to have them condensed into a clear statement here. There is no point holding an RfC to attract new editors if they are unable to readily see the issue and the arguments. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 04:05, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

*How do we determine that Uncyclopedia.co is notable enough to be mentioned? It is a fork of a website. So is <code>mirror.uncyc.org</code> and that is not notable and probably also not worth mentioning either. [[User:BFDIBebble|BFDIBebble]] ([[User talk:BFDIBebble|talk]]) ([[WP:SPI/PKHilliam|sockpuppet of PKHilliam]]) 17:37, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

I believe my edit should be restored. .ca is not an official site, it's just a mirror created by editors with personal vendettas. [[User:Rock-O-Jello|Rocko]] <small>([[User talk:Rock-O-Jello|say hi!]])</small> 21:52, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

== Protected edit request on 10 May 2020 ==

{{edit extended-protected|Uncyclopedia|answered=yes}}

Please revert all edits to the page made by {{user|Romartus Imperator}}, as they have been [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/PKHilliam|abusing multiple accounts in a targeted harassment campaign]]. Please see [[Talk:Uncyclopedia#Protected_edit_request_on_28_April_2020|above section]] for further information and consensus. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 07:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

:I have reverted recent edits due to their failure to comply with the [[Template:Editnotices/Page/Uncyclopedia|edit notice]]. Please be patient and do not use article talk pages to make allegations about other editors regardless of the provocation. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 09:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

::Thanks, sorry if my request came across as impatient and I didn't mean to misuse this page for making allegations, I'm much more familiar with the way things work on Uncyclopedia and your way of doing things here is quite different. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 16:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

::: It may help to note that anyone editing under an uncyc username who already has an account here under another name (especially that they're ''already using to contribute to the discussion'') is almost certainly not contributing in good faith, as they are obviously not who they claim to be. Maybe see if there's a place to report impersonators (even if it's just ANI), as even if they manage to vpn around showing up as a sock, that definitely isn't proper regardless? Also recommend anyone who hasn't create doppleganger accounts for their other names to do so in order to prevent this. -— [[User:Isarra|Isarra]] [[User talk:Isarra|༆]] 16:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

== Drafting an Rfc ==

The edit warring is continuing. Per the [[Template:Editnotices/Page/Uncyclopedia|edit notice]] I will block any editor who again changes the URL without first gaining consensus here. An [[WP:RFC|RfC]] is required for a long-term decision regarding what URL or URLs should be used in the article. The purpose of an RfC is to attract other editors who would probably not be aware of the background. Accordingly, would anyone interested please edit the appropriate subsection below and add a '''brief and neutral''' statement giving the history and a reason for your preferrred outcome. By "neutral", I mean without flamboyant language or talk about the evils of the other side. Take care to '''comment on article content only'''. You '''must not use this page to comment on other editors'''. Some information is at the [[Special:PermanentLink/953603534#User:BFDIBebble reported by User:Kevindongyt (Result: Warned)|edit warring permalink]] but it should be condensed and paraphrased here. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 10:01, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

===Background===

* Uncyclopedia has existed since 2005, but both .co and .ca were founded at different times, both having been forked from ''uncyclopedia.wikia.com''. ''Uncyclopedia.co'' was forked from it in January 2013, and ''Uncyclopedia.ca'' was forked from it in May 2019.

* Within the .co community, ''Uncyclopedia.co'' is simply known as ".co", and ''Uncyclopedia.ca'' is known as ".ca". Within the .ca community, although that applies too, some users call ''Uncyclopedia.ca'' the "spoon", and ''Uncyclopedia.co'' the "fork", suggesting that .ca is the "legitimate Uncyclopedia". Sometimes, ''Uncyclopedia.co'' is known as "English", and ''Uncyclopedia.ca'' is known as "British English". [[User:KevTYD|KevTYD]] ([[User talk:KevTYD|talk]]) 17:27, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

*Uncyclopedia is a humour wiki that was founded in 2005, and the founders of the wiki sold it to Wikia in 2006. After years of Wikia reneging on agreements made when they first began hosting Uncyclopedia, the vast majority of the community organized over IRC in 2012 and moved the contents of the wiki to <code>en.uncyclopedia.co</code> in January 2013. Wikia refused to stop hosting a copy of Uncyclopedia, which meant that a small portion of the pre-2013 community stayed behind to maintain the Wikia copy of Uncyclopedia. In 2019 Wikia decided that because of the amount of content on Uncyclopedia that was not suitable for their service (specifically the racist content), they would no longer be hosting Uncyclopedia. Historically the Uncyclopedia project has been governed by direct democracy, and the Uncyclopedian Wikia community held a vote as to what to do with their project after Wikia stopped hosting it. It was agreed that the project would move to the same hosting as <code>en.uncyclopedia.co</code>, however a group of admins acting independently of the community created and now host <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 16:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

===Reasons to use en.uncyclopedia.co and not others===

*Many Uncyclopedia projects are in existence, spanning many languages under many different names. Most of these projects are held together under the "Uncyclomedia Foundation" umbrella, including related wikis like Illogicopedia, Encyclopædia Dæmonica, Zombiepedia, and [https://uncyclopedia.info/ others]. <code>en.uncyclopedia.co</code> is referenced as the English-language Uncyclopedia project on all of these wikis, and interlanguage links point to the site using <code><nowiki>[[en:]]</nowiki></code>. It has been recognized as the English Uncyclopedia since 2013, when it took the place of the former Wikia url. When <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> was founded in 2019 as a fork of the post-2013 Wikia site, it was categorized as the British English (<code><nowiki>[[en-gb:]]</nowiki></code>) Uncyclopedia to distinguish it from the existing English wiki, and all of the above websites refer to it as such.

:The main subject of this article is about the English-language Uncyclopedia first and foremost, so I would suggest using <code>en.uncyclopedia.co</code> as the primary link in the infobox and gearing the opening paragraphs and the "History" section toward it. Specifically the creation of Uncyclopedia in 2005, the acquisition by Fandom in 2006, moving to the .co domain in 2013, the closure of the Fandom copy in 2019, and the remaining Fandom community's vote to rejoin the English project the same year. A [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uncyclopedia&oldid=907838077 previous revision] more or less reflected this before it was lost to vandalism and edit warring.

:As with the other languages and related projects, the history of the British English wiki should definitely be included where necessary, but documented on its own, either within the "History" section or under "Uncyclopedia in other languages." [[User:Supergeeky1|Supergeeky1]] ([[User talk:Supergeeky1|talk]]) 07:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

:*I think this is a very elegant solution for how to display the history of both URLs in this article. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 10:17, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

===Reasons to use uncyclopedia.ca and not others===

*Uncyclopedia moved to Wikia and then when it was closed down, it moved to Uncyclopedia.ca. This is the official Uncyclopedia as far as I am concerned and should be the sole URL in use. Forks are made of websites all the time; it does not mean they are noteworthy. [[Special:Contributions/220.123.235.96|220.123.235.96]] ([[User talk:220.123.235.96|talk]]) 18:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

*<code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> is a continuation of the project which has its roots in <code>uncyclopedia.org</code> which was purchased by [[Wikia]] and then hosted on their servers. This is the same project which existed from the very beginning and still exists today, just under a different URL. There are multiple forks of this version, such as <code>mirror.uncyc.org</code>, <code>uncyc2.miraheze.org</code> and of course <code>uncyclopedia.co</code>. I do not see how any one of these forks is more [[WP:N|notable]] than the other and do not think they should be in the infobox at all. [[User:Romartus Imperator|Romartus Imperator]] ([[User talk:Romartus Imperator|talk]]) 23:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

===Reasons to use more than one URL===

*I think both URLs have a place in a page about the history of the project, but they should be described in a factual way: a small team maintains <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> against the wishes of the Wikia Uncyclopedia community, while <code>en.uncyclopedia.co</code> has thrived for years. I know this comment is under the section for using more than one URL, but maybe we should use neither as the "official" URL and instead just present the history of each URL. There is no way that <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>, a website created in 2019, is the "official" URL, but likewise its hard to make the claim that <code>en.uncyclopedia.co</code> is "official" because it has always existed alongside at least one other Uncyclopedia. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 16:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

* Personally, I believe that while ''uncyclopedia.co'' definitely has more significance than ''uncyclopedia.ca'', both URLs and how they came to be should be explained within the "History" section of the article, because there is a possibility that someone who is uninvolved within the Uncyclopedia edit-war and who is reading this article here might want to know about why there are several Uncyclopedias that can be found on search engines. There is absolutely no justification to why ''uncyclopedia.ca'' can be considered the "official" URL, but the claim that ''uncyclopedia.co'' is the "official" URL is weak, because (as Zombiebaron explained) for the history of .co, either ''uncyclopedia.wikia.com'' or ''uncyclopedia.ca'' has existed along it: while the interwiki for Uncyclopedia on a default MediaWiki installation (with the Interwiki extension) points to .co, the first search result for Uncyclopedia on various search engines (Google, Bing, Duckduckgo) points to .co, and .co has more active users, these points by themselves cannot designate .co as the "official" URL for Uncyclopedia. Therefore, both domains should be explained within History. By extent, the infobox URL, seemingly the prime target for these edit-wars, should be either left blank (''See History'') or point to whichever Uncyclopedia the community determines is most significant. [[User:KevTYD|KevTYD]] ([[User talk:KevTYD|talk]]) 17:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

*:To clarify, I presume by 'community' as used here refers to wikipedia? Is that correct??--[[User:Gepid|Gepid]] ([[User talk:Gepid|talk]]) 10:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

**:Yes, I'm refering to Wikipedia. The precise wording used and the URL could be determined here, so we can have this settled once and for all. [[User:KevTYD|KevTYD]] <small>([[User talk:KevTYD|wake up]])</small> 11:17, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

***:Agreed. --[[User:Gepid|Gepid]] ([[User talk:Gepid|talk]]) 15:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

*History/disputes aside, the Uncyclopedia page should reflect the current reality of two uncyclopedias as they exist as of this time of commenting. The info box should also either show both active sites or just have the links in the main copy. Once this is agreed and monitored, any user coming here to remove links to either site or favour one over the other should be reverted. I am registered as Romartus on both Uncyclopedias. --[[User:Gepid|Gepid]] ([[User talk:Gepid|talk]]) 08:54, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

* This would be the ideal solution. I did add the ".ca" domain over a year ago when UncycloWikia got shut down (it got reverted), and now no one can decide which URL is the good URL. Because of that, I think (for the time being until we can come to a consensus) we need either a filter and/or a [[mediawiki:Spam-blacklist|spam blacklist]] entry until we can come to a consensus as to what domain should be used. {{u|Johnuniq}} do you want to do that for now? <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 02:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

** (didn't see the header carefully, so here is my reason) Both domains are of importance to readers. There is no competition. Both URLs are important in the history of Uncyclopedia. <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 02:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

**I don't think a filter is needed as consensus appears to be that both URLs should be mentioned. See discussion below. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 05:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

===Discussion===

{{ping|KevTYD|Zombiebaron|Gepid|Awesome Aasim}} (and anyone else watching this page). Given the responses above, no RfC appears to be necessary at the moment—both URLs should be mentioned. Have any reliable sources commented on Uncyclopedia and mentioned a particular non-wikia URL? Is there any source for the description above that uncyclopedia.co has thrived for years and uncyclopedia.ca was created in 2019? I assume such sources would be hard to find which will make writing about the URLs difficult per Wikipedia's procedures. The trick will be to devise some text that mentions both URLs, preferably using wording that is sourced or which can scrape by as potentially verifiable. That would probably mean not using much detail (unless a source for the detail is available). The article is currently protected to allow editing only by accounts with 500 edits and 30 days age. I propose changing that to require only 10 edits and 4 days ({{u|EdJohnston}}: do you have a view on that?). If any disruption occurs, I would either restore the protection or block problematic users after a warning. The aim would be to allow editing for a week or so until there is some reasonably stable text about the URLs. Then I think there should be an RfC with a question like "Should [this version] of the article be accepted as the consensus description of the URLs used by Uncyclopedia?". In the future, attempts to significantly change the description could be reverted per the consensus of the RfC (assuming it passed). Please '''do not edit war'''. If disruption breaks out, just leave it after a single revert and ping me. Any thoughts about this process? If there is agreement, I will alter the protection although anyone with 500/30 edits/days is welcome to start slowly editing now as far as I am concerned. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 05:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

: Ok done. I listed them in the order created (older fork first, newer fork second). Hopefully no one deletes or changes either of the links. <span style="font-variant: small-caps;">[[User:Awesome Aasim|A]][[User_talk:Awesome Aasim|a]][[special:contribs/Awesome Aasim|s]][[Special:EmailUser/Awesome Aasim|i]][[Special:Log/Awesome Aasim|m]]</span> 05:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

:: Thanks {{u|Awesome Aasim}}. Regards protection of the uncyclopedia page and infobox, I would suggest the current limited lockdown should deter people creating accounts deliberately to cause drama here. --[[User:Gepid|Gepid]] ([[User talk:Gepid|talk]]) 11:08, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

:Personally, I do fear that diminishing the level of protection on the Uncyclopedia article will definitely aid any sockpuppets, if any are found (two sockmasters have been touching this article throughout the past twelve months). I think finding a consensus on a "good version" via draft versions and an eventual vote would be a better idea. This would allow less drama to happen now, and any drafts created with malicious intent could be disqualified later on during the RfC. The lack of sources on Uncyclopedia, especially on or after 2013, is definitely discouraging - we'll need to use the Wikipedia community's judgement then. For now, I'll be working on a draft at [[User:KevTYD/Uncyclopedia]], with the intent of maintaining the neutrality of the article. [[User:KevTYD|KevTYD]] <small>([[User talk:KevTYD|wake up]])</small> 13:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

::The second paragraph of '''History''' now ends with the decision by Fandom to cease hosting the site. This incorrectly suggests that this version is defunct. A year ago, there was an additional sentence:

::: Remaining users moved its content to <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>, now the "British English" Uncyclopedia.

::This sentence should be re-added to the end of the paragraph. [[User:Spike-from-NH|Spike-from-NH]] ([[User talk:Spike-from-NH|talk]]) 22:03, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

:::Any opinions on that? If done, wouldn't "British" need an explanation? Is that like UK English compared with US English? An explanation of that, particularly if unsourced, might be unnecessary and the British part could be omitted? [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 00:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

::::I believe the edit proposed by Spike-from-NH contains a heavily biased version of events. As seen in this [https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Forum:Hosting_options_for_Uncyclopedia_(wikia) discussion page hosted on uncyclopedia.ca] the remaining users of the Wikia Uncyclopedia project voted to share hosting with <code>en.uncyclopedia.co</code> and a lone administrator moved the contents of the wiki to <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> unilateraly. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 10:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::I have no idea about the background or really anything in connection with this topic, other than I have undertaken to be an uninvolved administrator monitoring this to see if an RfC is warranted, and, if so, how it might be run. However, in the interests of getting a resolution that might stick, I will ask for clarification. Is the suggestion that uncyclopedia.ca only has a tiny number of active users, much fewer than those at uncyclopedia.co? How about number of pages and page views? I'm assuming there are no independent reliable sources that address the overall issue so this article has to tread a fine line between stating encyclopedic and reasonable information and original research. Since the two sites definitely exist, it seems reasonable that .ca must have come from somewhere and that could and should be explained somehow. A sentence could be devised which does not mention how the shift occurred, merely that it did. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 00:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::Yes, even a cursory glance at the publicly available Special:ActiveUser pages shows that [https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers en.uncyclopedica.co] has more than triple the active userbase of [https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers uncyclopedia.ca]. My proposal for a sentence explaining where .ca came from is: A mirror of the Fandom Uncyclopedia was created at <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> by a former site administrator. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 10:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::::Fine, please make an edit. If the protection is a problem, let me know. However, surely some other more generic wording can be devised because the more detail that is included ("former" + "site" + "administrator") the more the sentence requires a reliable source. Would there be anything wrong with "{{tq|Fandom later ceased hosting its version of Uncyclopedia[ref] on May 14, 2019, and a mirror of the site was created at <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>.}}"? [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 00:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::Unfortunately I only have around 350 edits so I'm not eligible to edit the article. I agree that your suggested edit is much more concise than mine and definitely support it. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 01:45, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::{{re|Zombiebaron}} I changed the protection. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 03:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::Thank you, I made the edit you suggested. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 09:00, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::: How is the definition of a 'mirror site' be relevant here? The wikia hosted site is now gone so uncyclopedia.ca cannot be a mirror of that?? Just a general point of clarification required on the meaning of a mirror site as it is generally understood. --[[User:Gepid|Gepid]] ([[User talk:Gepid|talk]]) 13:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::{{re|Gepid}} As you can see above, the word "mirror" was chosen as the most concise way to describe how <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> came to be. I do not know what definition of "mirror site" you believe is generally understood, but Wikipedia [[Mirror site|defines]] them as "replicas of other websites...often located in a different geographic region...[to] ensure availability of the original site for political reasons". As is documented in [https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Forum:A_message_from_Fandom this discussion page hosted on uncyclopedia.ca], Fandom ceased hosting their copy of Uncyclopedia because of how much hate speech it contained. And as seen in [https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Forum:Hosting_options_for_Uncyclopedia_(wikia) this discussion page hosted on uncyclopedia.ca that I linked already above], a lone administrator copied the wiki to a server in Canada in order to maintain a public facing copy of the wiki and its racist content while the community moved to the <code>en.uncyclopedia.co</code> servers per the vote. It really seems to me that <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> is a textbook example of a mirror site. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 14:51, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Technically, I suspect "mirror" is the correct term for what would have happened (bearing in mind that I have no idea what actually happened—I'm just reporting some technical background). Wikia made database backups available, and someone would have had to get such a backup, then restore it on another server running MediaWiki. That is called mirroring. However, the point that ''mirror'' implies ongoing activity, where changes occuring on Wikia are copied to uncyclopedia.ca is also correct. How about replacing "mirror" with "copy" which probably better describes the situation? I'm hoping to find wording that is reasonably accurate, not wildly original research, and that (almost) everyone can live with. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 23:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::::I see what you mean about ongoing activity on an original being copied to a mirror. In that case, I suggest replacing "mirror" with "archive". -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 00:44, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

{{od|::::::::::::::}}Here are the three suggestions so far:

*Fandom later ceased hosting its version of Uncyclopedia[ref] on May 14, 2019, and a mirror of the site was created at <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>.

*Fandom later ceased hosting its version of Uncyclopedia[ref] on May 14, 2019, and an archive of the site was created at <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>.

*Fandom later ceased hosting its version of Uncyclopedia[ref] on May 14, 2019, and a copy of the site was created at <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>.

Problems:

*''Mirror'' implies an ongoing activity of updating the copy with changes from the original (see [[mirror site]]).

*''Archive'' is a bit of a techo word with an unclear meaning. Technically, an archive would be the single compressed file that Wikia would have created as a backup of their existing website. Restoring that archive on another server is not really an archive. Also, per [[Archive]], an archive is a snapshot which does not change.

Is ''copy'' inaccurate? [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 02:50, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

:I do think that "copy" accurately describes what <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> is ''now'', but I think that when describing where <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> ''came from'' the word "copy" fails to describe the nuances of the situation in quite the same way as the other two options. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 04:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

::In that case, you should be able to briefly explain some nuance of ''mirror'' and ''archive'' which are missing from ''copy''. I can't see any difference except for the technicalities explained at [[mirror site]] and [[archive]]—technicalities which do not apply to uncyclopedia.ca. Also, what do you mean by "is ''now''"? I thought there was no Uncyclopedia at Wikia any more, and that uncyclopedia.ca is different from the original copy. On both counts, "is ''now''" doesn't apply. What am I missing? [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 05:30, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

:::As I've described above <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> was created at the same time that the <code>uncyclopedia.wikia.com</code> community was [https://uncyclopedia.ca/wiki/Forum:Uncyclomedia moving to <code>un.uncyclopedia.co</code>]. After <code>un.uncyclopedia.co</code> was sabotaged anybody wishing to edit the content formerly hosted at <code>uncyclopedia.wikia.com</code> was forced to edit <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code>. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 06:15, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

::::What was 'sabotaged' exactly? Writers have always been free to share their work on either uncyclopedia, as long as they were either the sole editor or had the agreement of other writers involved in a particular article. Uncyclopedia.ca has carried on since May 2019 with its copy of the original database and has subsequently added new articles there since that date. The original uncyclopedia.wikia has disappeared off the internet except as dead links. --[[User:Gepid|Gepid]] ([[User talk:Gepid|talk]]) 12:56, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::{{re|Gepid}} Do you disagree with me that <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> was created as an archive of the content of <code>uncyclopedia.wikia.com</code> while the community of <code>uncyclopedia.wikia.com</code> worked to move to <code>un.uncyclopedia.co</code>? I chose the word "sabotaged" to describe what happened to <code>un.uncyclopedia.co</code> because I felt it described the way that project eventually failed without assigning blame. As you say, writers have always been free to share their work on either Uncyclopedia, but does my ability to edit <code>mirror.uncyc.org</code> change where it came from? -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 15:43, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::By definition, if you can edit something, it is not a mirror. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 03:32, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::::After we resolve this issue we will need to resolve how <code>mirror.uncyc.org</code> is described in the article then, because you can most certainly edit it. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 11:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::Here's my take on it: "copy" is a very general-purpose word that could be used to describe .ca (when compared to UnWikia). The word "archive" would make more sense, as it is somewhat more precise. 'Mirror' would be inaccurate in this situation. Also, personally I believe that ''mirror.uncyc.org'' isn't of high significance either, and also can't exactly be described as a mirror because it can still be edited, [https://mirror.uncyc.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&from= albeit almost solely by IPs and quite infrequently]. So.... "archive" could make sense for both .ca and mirror.uncyc.[[User:KevTYD|KevTYD]] <small>([[User talk:KevTYD|wake up]])</small> 22:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::'Sabotage' is usually meant to mean that something is deliberately damaged for a particular purpose or an act of resistance. I guess it depends on where you stand. It sounds emotive which isn't the wikipedian way? So we're back to understanding what 'mirror' means here {{u|Johnuniq}}. Can you have an active mirror or archive?--[[User:Gepid|Gepid]] ([[User talk:Gepid|talk]]) 09:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::I infer that there is tribal conflict that I don't understand which makes some prefer incorrect terms like ''mirror'' and ''archive'' whereas ''copy'' is plain-English and correct. I wondered about the earlier sentence with "sabotage" which I couldn't understand—I don't see how a wiki could be sabotaged because any actions by admins/editors can be reversed, and changes by the site owner would not qualify for that term. At any rate, that does not appear relevant for this article. Re the question, no, any wiki that can be edited is not a mirror or archive. I was hoping article wording could be sorted out in a reasonable way but an RfC with outsiders might be necessary. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 09:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::If, as Johnuniq says, "mirror" and "archive" are both incorrect, then we should not use them. I disagree, however, that "copy" is correct. The word "copy" implies something made identical to another, which is not what <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> is. The first time <code>uncyclopedia.ca</code> was ever mentioned it was called a "backup", and right now in the Infobox it is referred to as a "fork", can we discuss using either of those words? It is described in the link I gave but I'll quickly summarize how <code>un.uncyclopedia.co</code> was sabotaged: when <code>un.uncyclopedia.co</code> was first set up it had a lot of errors because Fandom uses janky old MediaWiki and upgrading several versions at once broke a lot of things, but nobody from <code>uncyclopedia.wikia.com</code> ever reported any of the bugs, none of the bugs were ever fixed, and so the entire project was deliberately destroyed by inaction. -- [[User:Zombiebaron|Zombiebaron]] <small>([[User talk:Zombiebaron|shout]])</small> 14:55, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2020 ==

{{edit extended-protected|Uncyclopedia|answered=yes}}

It is really confusing to findout if uncyclopedia is owned by Wikipedia Foundation or not. This could easily mislead people. I had to google and read few articles to clear this confusion. Please update the first sentence of the lede

* from<br>

''"'''Uncyclopedia''' is a website that [[parody|parodies]] [[Wikipedia]]."''

* to<br>

''"'''Uncyclopedia''' is a website that [[parody|parodies]] [[Wikipedia]], otherwise unrelated to wikipedia and it is not owned by the [[Wikimedia Foundation]]."''

'''Rationale:''' This will appear in the "cursor hoover preview" (when someone hoovers the cursor on the pipelink within wikipedia) as well the "google search result summary" page. This will leave no scope for confusion, doubt, misrepresentation, scans, etc.

<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/58.182.176.169|58.182.176.169]] ([[User talk:58.182.176.169#top|talk]]) 09:06, 29 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EEp --> Rather than changing the lead, I've added the {{tl|Not WMF}} hatnote template to the top of the article, which brings it into line with other sites like [[Fandom (website)]]. [[User:Naypta|Naypta]] ☺ &#124; <small>[[User talk:Naypta|✉ talk page]]</small> &#124; 09:21, 29 May 2020 (UTC)