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In December 2018, the Ukrainian parliament has moved to again confer the award on Bandera.[21]

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Might want to add that the very same source (link below) states clearly that the bill was rejected in August 2019.

http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=65070

 Done--Ymblanter (talk) 19:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Add Category:Holocaust perpetrators 24.44.73.34 (talk) 04:50, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. Bandera was not a Holocaust perpetrator, he was in jail during the Holocaust and did not get any chance to participate. He was a Holocaust theorist though, advocating that Jews must be murdered.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:24, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure about that Ymblanter --> [1]? - GizzyCatBella🍁 06:31, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I know that the Holocaust enjoyed enthusiastic support of the OUN, but Bandera himself was in jail during the whole period.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:20, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see though that Yaroslav Stetsko is categorized as a genocide perpetrator, this probably should be removed as well.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:23, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are totally wrong Ymblanter. Quote from the lead of this very article about Bandera ... other Ukrainians as well as Poland and Russia condemn him as a fascist^[1] and a war criminal^[2] who was, together with his followers, largely responsible for the massacres of Polish civilians^[3] and partially for the Holocaust in Ukraine.^[4][5][6][7]

I’m asking you to respond to this request accordingly. - GizzyCatBella🍁 10:08, 4 March 2022 (UTC) Also explain this -->[2] please. Are you aware of the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s declaration [3] ? - GizzyCatBella🍁 10:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again, all materials you present show that he was a theorist of Holocaust, but not someone who murdered Jews or organized groups and directly gave them orders to murder Jews. You may respond to request yourself though, I am not going to edit-war.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:06, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, he was not a theorist of Holocaust, Bandera was one of the responsible perpetrators. Hitler wasn’t killing Jews with his own hands either, but gave orders, same as Bandera. So you agree to accept the request, correct? P.S. - I'll also throw this [4] at you with a quote ...Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA - organization run by Bandera) ..carried out.. mass murder on a massive scale... you are welcome to re-think your other cat. removal. - GizzyCatBella🍁 11:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I disagree with your interpretation. Joseph Stalin is also not in Category:Russian mass murderers. I am aware that OUN performed mass-murders, please do not try to paint me as a Holocaust denier. This is not going to end well, especially given my Jewish ancestry.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

...please do not try to pain me as a Holocaust denier.. What!? I’m trying what? What are you talking about!? - GizzyCatBella🍁 11:28, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ymblanter noone had made any personal attacks.. the point stands that most people in the Holocaust perpetrator category were not killing people with their hands but were still ordering mass murder. I don't understand the semantics you are using to say that Bandera was not one, since this article says it at the last paragraph of the intro with several citations. Really, the only thing wrong with my request is that it probably should've been Category:Holocaust perpetrators in Ukraine but I didn't realize that was a category at the time, so it should be that instead. 24.44.73.34 (talk) 13:54, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think he can be labeled "Holocaust perpetrator", being a "Holocaust theorist", even if he wasn't there, his political and paramilitary formation carried out the massacres. As was the example for Hitler.--Mhorg (talk) 20:46, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hitler gave orders. This guy did not give orders. I am sure he would were he in Ukraine at the time, but he was not.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Following this finding of fact in the arbitration case (unrelated to me) I have stopped all administrator activity in the areas I edit — everything related to the countries of the former Soviet Union, to rail transport, and to the Olympics. I may occasionally make fully uncontroversial actions, such as blocks for and protections against obvious vandalism and obvious BLP violations."

Oh...but spewing Nazi invective isn't "administrator activity", is that right? LOL. You're foul. 184.147.89.192 (talk) 21:02, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a blatant personal attack. Nobody, even an anonymous coward 184*, may call me a Nazi. I hope the first administrator who sees this will impose a policy against personal attacks.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting that Stepan Bandera is already listed under Category:Genocide perpetrators. If the argument is "that's in reference to the massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia and not the Holocaust in Ukraine", this article also includes claims that Bandera had no idea about what the OUN-B was doing during his internment by Nazi Germany, a period which included said killings of Poles. This argument that Bandera should not be categorised as a Holocaust perpetrator because he merely wrote that Ukrainians should "destroy" Jewish people (Bandera's words) and did not "destroy" Jewish people himself is ridiculous. Holocaust perpetrators are not limited to the people who did the act of killing and also includes the people who explicitly called for it. CentreLeftRight ✉ 22:18, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, my thinking was that Category:Genocide perpetrators referred to the massacres of Poles (there is no separate category for genocide of Poles in WW2 from what I can tell) and Holocaust Perpetrators would refer of course specifically to itself. There should probably be a category for Perpetrators of the Genocide of Poles in WW2 now that I think of it.

While this article does say that he was unaware in the "Views towards other ethnic groups" section it also says in the intro that he was "together with his followers, largely responsible for the massacres of Polish civilians and partially for the Holocaust in Ukraine."

But anyway, I guess the Genocide Perpetrator category is enough of a catchall term, but I felt it should have been as specific as possible. 24.44.73.34 (talk) 02:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I added Holocaust perpetrators category as requested - per the above discussion. - GizzyCatBella🍁 13:34, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

lol whut? The article literally says that Bandera was never a citizen of Ukraine. There was in fact no "Ukraine" during WWII, only the Ukrainian SSR...and Bandera obviously had no allegiance to it. 184.147.89.192 (talk) 20:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Changed "Ukraine" to "Ukrainian National Government (1941)" as I agree that the distinction is not clear; there was no Ukrainian state during the Nazi occupation. CentreLeftRight ✉ 22:07, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My edits concerning the archway photograph were twice removed by @Nuuk: and @Mhorg:. As the article says, Bandera was arrested in early July. So that means, that at the time when the photograph was taken, he did not collaborate with the Nazis anymore. By withhelding this information a misleading image is being created, according to which Bandera continued to work with the Nazis in summer 1942.--KastusK (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I don’t understand what is the point of your edit? The description of the photo is: quote -->

Geetings archway "Glory to Hitler! Glory to Bandera! Long live the Ukrainian Independent State! Long live our leader S. Bandera" at Zhovkva Castle, Western Ukraine, July–August 1941." [5].

I would not support your alternation under the description of the photograph. I believe an article body covers all of that already, no? - GizzyCatBella🍁 16:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That was a typo on my part. Bandera was arrested in summer 1941. The use of this photo with this caption is absolutely misleading. It suggests that there was still a collaboration during the summer months. Since this article is about Bandera's biography and not about the place where this banner was placed, the focus should be on his biography. Obviously, he himself has not been able to order to put this banner.--KastusK (talk) 16:53, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at the history of edit. It's ridiculous. This article should be rewritten by some qualified historians from an unbiased country, who have access to the original documents, photographs etc. And then it should be locked. I was doing some research and looked up some info on this article, three days later I came back to confirm it and this article was stating completely different, almost opposite info. This is unacceptable. I for one will never use Wikipedia for anything anymore because it became unreliable. You can't just rewrite the history to serve your today's agenda and put it out there for all the gullible people to read, it's a crime or it should be considered as such. 213.24.133.78 (talk) 01:18, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a silly comment for several reasons:

• There are thousands of articles with hundred of edits per month; this article had about a dozen edits per month before the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine brought more attention to Ukraine-related articles. This article has had less than a hundred edits since the invasion started.
• Even if the article was the most edited article in all of Wikipedia, that would actually be a good thing because it means the content is not dictated by one person and their biases.
• This article is semi-protected and is on several users' watchlists. An inappropriate edit wouldn't get through easily.
• This article cites qualified historians; if you have a problem with one of the source(s) in particular, bring up your specific grievance(s) instead of using talk pages for non-sensical polemics which are not substantiated.
• Whatever piece of information that was changed in the three-day gap in your research was probably removed because it was not properly sourced and/or contradicted information elsewhere in the article. If you used this information it would have been bad for your research anyways.
• In general, you should only use Wikipedia as a reference or general overview of a topic, especially since this article in particular is rated Start / C class, which means its coverage and sourcing are not particularly good.

CentreLeftRight ✉ 04:29, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GizzyCatBella: I would say that my edit is self-explanatory, considering the content of the entry and the sources cited. Could you please explain the reasons for the reversal and what are the points to be discussed? Thanks. Yone (talk) 17:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you removed Holocaust perpetrators cat -->[6] for example but that was discussed here just last month [7]. Can you reconsider and examine your edit again? - GizzyCatBella🍁 17:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't realize I had done that. It was really unintentional. If that's all, I'll fix it right away. Thanks again.Yone (talk) 20:17, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can somebody please remove nazi reference in the first paragraph. Its literally russia propaganda that was added 6 days ago by the user the user that has been already blocked. That user registered 17 days ago and make 72 edit, each of the edit is aimed to discredit various Ukrainian politicians and historic figures. 223.27.246.123 (talk) 04:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Bandera was a Nazi collaborator. You have to live with this. Ymblanter (talk) 06:21, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the Nazi reference in the first paragraph. Bandare was never convicted of being nazi contributor. This edit was made 6 days ago, by the user that is already blocked. Russia state sponsored trolls right now are using this page and the edit they made themself to spread hate and propaganda online. 223.27.246.123 (talk) 04:46, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Numerous RS's, (some presented in the article [8]) describe Bandera as a Nazi collaborator -->. We go by what RS's say. - GizzyCatBella🍁 05:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So in this page i saw a incredible disinformation about Stepan Bandera like he was involved in terrorist activities. So i want you to remove that russian propaganda part. Thanks for reading this message Pobla228 (talk) 06:08, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Read the sources please - GizzyCatBella🍁 06:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the text about the Nazi collaborator. it's nonsense. Blackwolf 365 (talk) 18:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Mellk (talk) 18:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It is not correct. You must check information and after that publish. 5.248.72.62 (talk) 18:46, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

He was, this has been checked, and references are in the article. If Ukrainians do not accept historical facts it is their problem.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but it appears you are pushing an non-neutral POV into this article, with several people here contesting the claim. As far as historiography goes, he was a potential collaborator who was rebuffed, and the only citation to this effect in the article even has to qualify this. The final paragraph in the intro elaborates on the controversial nature of the claim, and as such, it should not lead the article and then proceed to tell readers its controversial. From what I can see in the sourcing, claims of him being a "collaborator" are part of state propaganda and the facts are muddier. I recommend laying off the edit warring with others and help find a consensus or NPOV framing. BLKFTR (tlk2meh) 14:22, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]