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I've been trying to follow the still-in-progress edits about various strategies to improve on the displaying of references, and am quite interested. However, I noticed something odd in the page edit history (at least on my browser), that I figured I should point out. Although the current version of the page looks fine, every preceding edit displays the References section very oddly, as though templates cannot be properly parsed. Make a new revision, and the previous properly displaying version becomes improperly displayed. Baffling. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 01:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
I've been trying to follow the still-in-progress edits about various strategies to improve on the displaying of references, and am quite interested. However, I noticed something odd in the page edit history (at least on my browser), that I figured I should point out. Although the current version of the page looks fine, every preceding edit displays the References section very oddly, as though templates cannot be properly parsed. Make a new revision, and the previous properly displaying version becomes improperly displayed. Baffling. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 01:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

:Actually, nothing I've been doing changes the appearance of the (current) rendered page, rather I've just been redesigning the template to clean up its syntax and so on retrospectively. In other words, I've changed the order and names of the parameters the template expects, and at the same moment correspondingly changed the article to supply those changed parameters. I wouldn't dare do that except that, to my unutterable astonishment and no doubt yours and Mirokado's, this remains the only article using what is so obviously the best Wikipedia referencing system ever devised by the human mind (or any other mind for that matter) and thus this is the only article that needs to be changed. An unfortunate side effect of that is that earlier versions of the article won't display their ref sections properly, for the reason you gave -- the parms those old versions of the article supply to the templates don't match what the current template expects. (Wikimedia isn't smart enough to match up old versions of articles to the versions of templates in force at that point in time -- that sounds like something that should be easy to do, but in fact there are some theoretical problems with even deciding how that should work.) Maybe that was a bad decision, and as I try to explain it to you I have to admin I'm a little uncomfortable with it, but there it is. '''[[User:EEng#s|<font color="red">E</font>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<font color="blue">Eng</font>]]''' 01:44, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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Former good article nomineePhineas Gage was a Natural sciences good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
December 20, 2005Good article nomineeListed
June 14, 2007Good article reassessmentDelisted
June 19, 2013Good article nomineeNot listed
Current status: Former good article nominee

Harvard copyedit

This:

In November 1849 Henry Jacob Bigelow, the Professor of Surgery at Harvard Medical School, brought Gage to Boston and, after satisfying himself that the tamping iron had actually passed through Gage's head, presented him to a meeting of the Boston Society for Medical Improvement and (possibly) to a Harvard Medical School class.

has gotten a bit redundant. An earlier version has read "... to a Medical School class", which is not a style WP uses (the capitalization of a common-noun reference; similarly if someone worked for Santa Clara Community College and later the University of California at Berkeley, we would not write of her anything like "... after she left her Community College position for the University post").

The entire sentence could probably be redone, with further removal of unnecessary capitalization (per MOS:JOBTITLES, "professor of surgery" shouldn't be capitalized except when prefixed to the name):

In November 1849, Henry Jacob Bigelow, professor of surgery at Harvard Medical School, brought Gage to Boston and, after satisfying himself that the tamping iron had actually passed through Gage's head, presented Gage to a meeting of the Boston Society for Medical Improvement and (possibly) to his medical class.

This also removes the "the" before the job title, which indicates that HMS only had one surgery professor (possibly true at that time, but we don't know that from the source presented so far).  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  04:23, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, how about...

In November 1849, Henry Jacob Bigelow, the professor of surgery at Harvard Medical School, brought Gage to Boston and, after satisfying himself that the tamping iron had actually passed through Gage's head, presented Gagehim to a meeting of the Boston Society for Medical Improvement and (possibly) to histhe medical school class.

It certainly wasn't "his" (Bigelow's) class, and the earlier "a medical school class" was also wrong. It was just "the" Harvard Med School class, simply meaning all the students at the school at the given time, there not being designated stages-of-study (first year, second year, etc.) as you would see today.

As to "the" professor of surgery, Bigelow certainly was the one and only, Harvard Med School being, like most medical schools at the time, a bit of a boutique operation. I'm actually having trouble finding an explicit source on this precise point; it's like trying to find a source explaining that George Washington was the President of the US, not one of many. Nonetheless I've found something that I think just barely passes muster, being from Harvard's own Center for the History of Medicine.

I've installed all this stuff so all can see the new cite, but of course comments from my esteemed fellow editors are most welcome. EEng 07:40, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My gut reaction was that it should actually be "the Professor of Surgery", capitalized, although trips to MOS always make me cringe (because the issues are often so trivial). But I looked at MOS:JOBTITLES, and I actually do think that capitalization is correct in this case. MOS makes a distinction between "French kings" and the "King of France". Bigelow, here, is like the latter. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:10, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined to agree that Professor of Surgery is a title, and should be capitalized. SM registering no objection, I'll reinstall the capitals. EEng 13:37, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
...and now that I've done it, it looks a little strange. Whatever. EEng 13:39, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Wonderful World of Wikidata

Over at Gage's Wikidata entry I tried to add the Wikidata equivalent of [[Rock blasting|blaster]] as an occupation, but instead I seem to have added blaster (Q2481679) fictional type of personal laser weapon from Star Wars. Can anyone sort this out? I'm flummoxed. EEng 02:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe just change it to "railroad construction"? --Tryptofish (talk) 03:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It already lists railroad construction foreman and stagecoach driver; I was trying to add blaster as a third entry. Now that's I've inadvertently linked Gage to the Star Wars franchise, I'd be happy just to delete it, but I can't even get it to do that. EEng 03:12, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Woops, I should have actually looked at the entry. Anyway, please check it now, because I think I was able to successfully remove it. At first, it did to me what it probably did to you, which is to refuse to carry out "remove", with an idiotic message about how it's better not to remove it. Then I tried adding a "qualifier", and while it was in that mode, the "remove" function seems to have worked without arguing with me. This was my first edit at Wikidata, and I hope that it will be my last. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:28, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, kind sir. So much for my degree in computer science from you-know-where. I feel the same way about Wikidata. It's like a video game -- everything you click pops up with a secret power or Cloak of Secrecy or something. EEng 23:28, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
[FBDB]That would be "kind fish" to you! Yes, sometimes ignorance is bliss. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:35, 3 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reference formats

I've been trying to follow the still-in-progress edits about various strategies to improve on the displaying of references, and am quite interested. However, I noticed something odd in the page edit history (at least on my browser), that I figured I should point out. Although the current version of the page looks fine, every preceding edit displays the References section very oddly, as though templates cannot be properly parsed. Make a new revision, and the previous properly displaying version becomes improperly displayed. Baffling. --Tryptofish (talk) 01:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, nothing I've been doing changes the appearance of the (current) rendered page, rather I've just been redesigning the template to clean up its syntax and so on retrospectively. In other words, I've changed the order and names of the parameters the template expects, and at the same moment correspondingly changed the article to supply those changed parameters. I wouldn't dare do that except that, to my unutterable astonishment and no doubt yours and Mirokado's, this remains the only article using what is so obviously the best Wikipedia referencing system ever devised by the human mind (or any other mind for that matter) and thus this is the only article that needs to be changed. An unfortunate side effect of that is that earlier versions of the article won't display their ref sections properly, for the reason you gave -- the parms those old versions of the article supply to the templates don't match what the current template expects. (Wikimedia isn't smart enough to match up old versions of articles to the versions of templates in force at that point in time -- that sounds like something that should be easy to do, but in fact there are some theoretical problems with even deciding how that should work.) Maybe that was a bad decision, and as I try to explain it to you I have to admin I'm a little uncomfortable with it, but there it is. EEng 01:44, 14 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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