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The pic of the cap badge is of the old one no longer in use since 1952. It has the King's Crown. Does nobody have a pic of the current badge? I have a badge, but no idea how to upload a pic here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.208.213.243 (talk) 16:07, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My father (Dick Culshaw) departed this earth on `17th February 2012 and was the Sergeant Major in the 13th batallion Paras, and I have his pin - wings with balloon centre. Could anyone inform me whether they have photos or give more information of action in the War.

paulydestiny@yahoo.com.au He has left 6 children, 3 pommies, 3 aussies and 7 grandchildren and 7 great grandchildren and I am the youngest of the 6 and want to compile an album to be made as a heirloom to pass down to my grandchildren.

Can anyone help with information. Thankyou.

RIP Dad

175.38.179.90 (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See 13th (Lancashire) Parachute Battalion. Jim Sweeney (talk) 15:49, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why shouldn't we refer to it within the article as a massacre? The Bloody sunday (1972) article is in Category:Massacres committed by the United Kingdom and Category:Massacres in Northern Ireland. Majority scholarly opinion is that it was a massacre. NPOV is " representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources". It doesn't mean avoiding calling things what they are. We don't call the holocaust an "event", we call it a genocide. Because that is what it is, and what the scholarly consensus refers to it as. Likewise, we shouldn't call bloody sunday an event, we should call it a massacre. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 19:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at WP:NPOV and Wikipedia talk:Neutral point of view/Killing NPOV in particular in the latter "However when used to describe an incident, even one commonly labeled as a massacre, it is pejorative and biased. More neutral terms such as "incident", "events", or "killings" should be used." Blackshod (talk) 21:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be amenable to the use of the word "killings" so? It's definitely more descriptive than "event". Either way, a talk page is not policy. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 21:32, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would have no objection to 'killings'. Blackshod (talk) 05:31, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't understand your objection to "massacre". It's what bloody sunday has been generally described as. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 09:32, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not it is 'generally' termed a 'massacre' is irrelevant. My reasons are compliance with WP:NPOV well summed up in the quote above "However when used to describe an incident, even one commonly labeled as a massacre, it is pejorative and biased. More neutral terms such as "incident", "events", or "killings" should be used."Blackshod (talk) 09:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources.". That it was a massacre is the majority scholarly opinion, and so we should describe it as such. Calling it an event is a euphemism. What you are quoting isn't from NPOV, it's from talk:NPOV. talk:NPOV is not policy. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 16:00, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That it was a massacre is the majority opinion scholarly or otherwise is disputable and is any case even if it were that would not make in NPOV, just the POV of the majority, let's settle for killing as you suggested Blackshod (talk) 16:41, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Again, "Editing from a neutral point of view (NPOV) means representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources". Representing significant views is NPOV. 89.100.207.51 (talk) 14:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've re-edited the Bloody Sunday section. I've added extra details as to what the 'civil rights' march was exactly about as it is key to understanding the events of the day. I've also added the fact that soldiers of the Royal Artillery and Anglian Regiment took part in the firefight, it's important to understand that is was not just the Parachute Regiment who took part in the gunbattle. I've qualified the remark on the Widgery inquiry being regarded as a 'whitewash' it wasn't universally reagrded as such and indeed the differences between it and Saville are wafer thin and largely based on the marcher's boycott of his inquiry and flawed forensic evidence he was presented. Lastly I've changed the misrepresentation of Lord Saville's findings, he certainly does NOT conclude that the soldiers definitively shot first, indeed his findings lean the other way. He also accepts the testimony of numerous terrorists that they fired on the army and this fact is irrefutable. He dismisses any idea that nail bombs were planted on one of the dead (an admitted IRA member)so I've altered the sentences concerning that as well. I've published all the direct links to his report so you can see for yourself and check my sources, I've tried at all times to maintain a neutral point of view but these changes are essential for a balanced account of the events.Shamrockawakening (talk) 13:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This adds undue weight to this article - the above is more suited to the Bloody Sunday article.Jim Sweeney (talk) 13:21, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate what you say and perhaps you're right it may be more suitable to the main Bloody Sunday article but this still needs to be changed, it's far from a neutral viewpoint and in remarks such as Lord Saville concluding the soldiers shot first and that Widgery was a 'whitewash' is factually incorrect. I'll try again. Shamrockawakening (talk) 17:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I might be misunderstanding something, but the lead says "The regiment took part in five major parachute assault operations in North Africa, Italy, Greece, France, the Netherlands and Germany, often landing ahead of all other troops" - isn't that six operations? 81.132.108.246 (talk) 05:11, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Have been Bold and changed it to six. 81.132.108.246 (talk) 06:07, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A user named Mabuska keeps removing the information about Bloody Sunday from the lead section claiming it is already detailed in the article. But the introduction is supposed to be a summary of the article, and and Bloody Sunday is the single most controversial event the Parachute Regiment has taken part in. It caused the British Embassy in Ireland to be burnt down, and senior politicians and army figures have condemned it ("unjustifiable", "like Nazi stormtroopers") in a way they have condemned no other action of the British Armed Forces. It absolutely should be in the lead section and I am inserting it again.--79.97.222.210 (talk) 18:56, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]