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== Polls ==

An editor objects to some of the poll content, so I'm opening this section to discuss it.- [[user: MrX|Mr]][[user talk:MrX|X]] 14:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:There will be literally hundreds of polls in the next 18 months - and the question is what weight we give to the earliest "crystal ball polls" at this point where keeping up with all of them would result in 80% of this BLP being polls. I suggest that the current polls are ''not'' of significant biographical value, nor of any sufficient long-term encyclopedic value for Wikipedia, and that including them all becomes an exercise in making Wikipedia into a newspaper and not an encyclopedia whose articles will be read a century from now. Cheers. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 14:52, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

::I think including a current set of poll results is fine. We can add more later and then remove the ones that no longer matter. People looking for information on Rubio might well want to know about this issue, and the value of Wikipedia in this respect is that we can include it now without having it become a permanent element -- i.e., again, we can update and replace as necessary. [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 15:02, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

::Obviously, we should only include a few of the more notable polls. This type of information is encyclopedic, at least leading up to the 2016 election. I would agree that in 100 years these polls would be trivia, but I don't view Wikipedia content as static, so the poll summaries serve our readers now. - [[user: MrX|Mr]][[user talk:MrX|X]] 15:08, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:::In short - use Wikipedia as a newspaper and not as an encyclopedia. I demur - I feel we should produce actual encyclopedia articles and not be People Magazine or the like. Clearly your mileage varies but I feel if we know the polls are crystal ball gazing exercises, and we include them, we should also include [[Sydney Omarr]]'s forecasts about the future. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 15:39, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:I don't believe survey results are typically included in BLP's for politicians. Otherwise who decides which polls should be included? There will be literally thousands of polls conducted prior to the 2016 elections. Also I'm not sure why polling in NH should be emphasized. I believe survey results would be more appropriate in an article on the 2016 presidential nomination process.[[User:CFredkin|CFredkin]] ([[User talk:CFredkin|talk]]) 00:07, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

:: Are there still objections to removing the poll results? If so, I've got some additional poll results I'm planning to add.[[User:CFredkin|CFredkin]] ([[User talk:CFredkin|talk]]) 00:44, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

::: In the absence of further objections, I'm going to go ahead and remove the survey info.[[User:CFredkin|CFredkin]] ([[User talk:CFredkin|talk]]) 18:35, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

::::The discussion at [[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard/Archive215#Marco_Rubio_et_al]] seems to not support adding polls before ''anyone'' has announced a candidacy. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 18:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

:::::Again, [[WP:BLP/N]] is not a venue for sorting basic content disagreements and, given the low participation in the discussion, certainly cannot be used to create new content guidelines. The [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)|village pump]] is thataway→.- [[user: MrX|Mr]][[user talk:MrX|X]] 19:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

::::::In fact, this is far from the first time on Wikipedia this has arisen, and the general opinion is we can wait until the person is officially a candidate before adding masses of polls. Cheers. [[User:Collect|Collect]] ([[User talk:Collect|talk]]) 19:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

As a minimum bar for inclusion, I suggest that only polls which are mentioned in secondary sources be included in BLPs. This standard is often applied to other content (e.g. votes by politicians).[[User:CFredkin|CFredkin]] ([[User talk:CFredkin|talk]]) 19:38, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

{{talkquote|From late 2012 to mid-2013, Rubio came in first in eight consecutive [[Nationwide opinion polling for the Republican Party 2016 presidential primaries|national polls]] among potential 2016 candidates, from such sources as [[Public Policy Polling]], [[Harper Polling]], [[Quinnipiac University Polling Institute|Quinnipiac University]], and [[Farleigh Dickinson University]].<ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_1206.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.harperpolling.com/polls/national-poll-of-republicans</ref><ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_011013.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_207.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_4313.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1876</ref><ref>http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2013/hillary/</ref><ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_515Final.pdf</ref> A poll from the WMUR/University, tracking New Hampshire Republican primary voters' sentiment, showed Rubio at the top alongside [[Kentucky]] senator [[Rand Paul]] later in 2013, but as of April 18, 2014 he had dropped to 10th place behind other Republican contenders. The poll, however, also suggests that Rubio is not disliked by the primary voters, which could be positive for him if other candidates choose not to run.<ref>{{cite web|title=Marco Rubio's long, hard fall in New Hampshire|url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/marco-rubios-long-hard-fall-in-new-hampshire/article/2547467|publisher=The Wahshignton Exmaminer|accessdate=20 April 2014}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|title=THE WMUR GRANITE STATE POLL THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE|url=http://cola.unh.edu/sites/cola.unh.edu/files/research_publications/gsp2014_spring_primary041814.pdf|publisher=WMUR/University}}</ref> In [[Statewide opinion polling for the Republican Party presidential primaries, 2016|statewide polls]], he has performed most prominently in his home state of Florida, alongside Jeb Bush,<ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_FL_9512.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_FL_011713.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_FL_032113.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/PPP_Release_FL_611.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/florida/release-detail?ReleaseID=2063</ref> and has also performed fairly well in [[Suffolk University]] polls in such states as [[Colorado]], [[Michigan]], and [[Minnesota]].<ref>http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/9_17_2014_marginals.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/marginals_9_11_2014.pdf</ref><ref>http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/4_29_2014_marginals.pdf</ref>}}

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