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=="Crown Prince"==

The introduction to the "political positions" section currently says: "According to an opinion piece by James M. Lindsay in Newsweek, Rubio was 'Once crown prince of the Tea Party' but has since become a 'hawk and favors immigration reform'.[82]" That is a lot better than citing some vague news report saying that some unidentified people have called him "crown prince" of the tea party. But still, I would delete all this "crown prince" opinion stuff. There are plenty of objective, non-sarcastic analyses of Rubio's overall political stances, including not just the ACU, but also the Almanac of American Politics and National Journal. And in any event, Lindsay says that he isn't the "crown prince" anymore, so that stuff is less significant in the preface to his political positions.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 14:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

:I would object to removing this, and I also think the addition of "opinion piece" is awkward and unnecessary, bordering on [[WP:WEASEL]]. There was a discussion about this several months ago concerning Senator Rubio being categorized as associated with the Tea Party. I will see if I can find it, because I think it would be helpful.- [[user: MrX|Mr]][[user talk:MrX|X]] 19:02, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

::I think it's a complete contortion of [[WP:Weasel]] to suggest that we should not characterize an opinion piece as such, if we are going to use it. Of course, there would be nothing wrong with this article saying that Rubio used to be more closely aligned with the Tea Party, citing reliable sources, but the idea that he is currently known by ''some'' people as the "crown prince" of the tea party violates [[WP:Weasel]] and is incorrect according to the Newsweek opinion piece.[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 19:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

:::I'm fine with removing the quote as long as we capture that he was a prominent Tea Party favorite, or something similar. That would represent the widespread view without needing attribution. Here is the previous discussion thread that I was referring to: [[Talk:Marco Rubio/Archive 2#Tea Party association]].- [[user: MrX|Mr]][[user talk:MrX|X]] 19:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

::::It would need attribution in a footnote at least. His more recent stances about military and immigration matters have apparently put some distance between himself and the Tea Party, which we could say as well with attribution in a footnote. In the mean time, I don't think this "crown prince" stuff is useful, and certainly should not be attributed to ''some people'', which would be the antithesis of [[WP:Weasel]].[[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 19:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

==RFC about whether presidential candidacy belongs in lead paragraph==

[[Talk:Rick_Perry#RFC_about_whether_his_presidential_candidacy_should_be_mentioned_in_the_lead_paragraph]][[User:Anythingyouwant|Anythingyouwant]] ([[User talk:Anythingyouwant|talk]]) 15:33, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

:Why would we discuss on this talk page an RfC about Rick Perry? [[User:Nomoskedasticity|Nomoskedasticity]] ([[User talk:Nomoskedasticity|talk]]) 15:35, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

== Speaker term? ==

Wasn't Rubio [[Speaker_of_the_Florida_House_of_Representatives|Speaker of the FL House]] for only two years (beginning of 2007-end of 2008)? Right now the infobox for this article says "Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives - In office - September 13, 2005 – January 3, 2009". [[User:Guy1890|Guy1890]] ([[User talk:Guy1890|talk]]) 04:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

:[http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/the-speaker-20150710 This source], from ''[[The National Journal]]'', is currently used in the body of the article to support 2005 as the starting date, but it does look like [[Ray Sansom]] assumed SotH in mid-November 2008, (source used on that article: [http://www.nwfsc.edu/news/newsDetail.cfm?ID=115]) so that should be fixed. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 05:25, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

:[http://www.flsenate.gov/PublishedContent/OFFICES/SECRETARY/SENSESS.pdf this Florida Senate document] says that he was not speaker during the organizational session held November 18, which combined with [[Erik Fresen]] seems like plenty of reason to make the change. I suppose he could've been provisional speaker or something, but November 18 is consistent with other articles, so that is what I put. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 05:42, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

::From what I've read, they apparently vote on who should be Speaker of the [[Florida House of Representatives|FL House]] well before that designee actually takes the office of Speaker. All these quotes are from the first citation in your original above post:

::*"On September 13, 2005, Marco Rubio, then a 34-year-old state legislator from Miami, was officially designated the next speaker of the Florida House of Representatives."

::*"Rubio has been talking a lot about his leadership experiences in Tallahassee. Obama, he told Fox News in March, 'was a backbencher in the state Legislature in Illinois, and I was in leadership all nine years that I served there, including two as speaker of the House.'"

::*"It would be another three years before Rubio would officially be sworn in as speaker" (that was from around late 2003)

::*"During his two years as speaker of the Florida House"

::*"FOR EIGHT YEARS, Jeb Bush—who left office in January 2007, as Rubio was beginning his speakership" [[User:Guy1890|Guy1890]] ([[User talk:Guy1890|talk]]) 05:48, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

::::From that above pdf document, it looks like Rubio's Speaker term started on November 21, 2006 and ended around November 18, 2008. [[User:Guy1890|Guy1890]] ([[User talk:Guy1890|talk]]) 05:56, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::Okay. Hmm... My understanding is that most office holders are dated until their successor is sworn in, unless they specifically resign or such, but I'm not certain about that. Regardless, this should be consistent with 'neighboring' article like those on Sansom and Fresen (which they were not previously). The current starting date overlaps with [[Allan Bense]], so it should be changed. Being selected over a year before taking the position is a surprisingly long time to me, but so be it. [[User:Grayfell|Grayfell]] ([[User talk:Grayfell|talk]]) 06:33, 8 August 2015 (UTC)