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== None of the colors is better than the rest ==


Hi everyone. I suggest to add the information to the article that none of the colours in the game is better than the rest, that all of them have their own advantages and disadvantages. Could someone please do this? Thanks! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/181.1.220.13|181.1.220.13]] ([[User talk:181.1.220.13#top|talk]]) 14:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== 13+ age? ==
:This is unsourced and unsubstantiated. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 14:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
::Although it is arguably corect and uncontroversial. But The anon didn't specify where to add it, and why should we bother at all. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 07:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:::I think this paragraph actually mostly comes down to the anon's intent:
:::"The Research and Development (R&D) team at Wizards of the Coast aimed to balance power and abilities among the five colors by using the Color Pie to differentiate the strengths and weaknesses of each. This guideline lays out the capabilities, themes, and mechanics of each color and allows for every color to have its own distinct attributes and gameplay. The Color Pie is used to ensure new cards are thematically in the correct color and do not infringe on the territory of other colors."
:::As a matter of fact "none of the colours in the game is better than the rest" is also not literally true anyway. It is certainly what Wizards strives for and maybe even achieves to a laudable degree, but then Blue is considered the most colorful in old formats by almost everybody. Also there have been standard formats where colors stood head and shoulders above the rest or a single color was barely playable. So to sum it up, I think the article is pretty much fine where it is right now in this regard. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 09:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
:Blue ;D [[User:Atomic putty? Rien!|Atomic putty? Rien! (talk) ]] ([[User talk:Atomic putty? Rien!|talk]]) 14:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hello again. I come to revive this topic. In a certain degree, it's practically true the statement: "None of the colors is better than the rest" because if you check clearly, everyone thinks that maybe Red and Green are the best in terms of strength and direct damage. But even Blue and White aren't less just because they are defense and healing counterparts. Blue and White also have their own way of attacking which is different from Red and Green (which is direct damage at the opponent's creatures and the opponent himself) that are also useful, such as the venom cards and emptying the deck to your opponent. I believe that this statement: "None of the colors is better than the rest" should be somewhere explained thoroughly in the article because it's important. What do you guys think? Please reply! Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/190.231.171.103|190.231.171.103]] ([[User talk:190.231.171.103|talk]]) 15:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
:::Still waiting for a reply... [[Special:Contributions/181.110.70.239|181.110.70.239]] ([[User talk:181.110.70.239|talk]]) 08:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
::::Well, if you think about it "none of the colours are better than the rest" is a statement, that cannot be proven in this matter-of-fact way. Magic is too big, dynamic and diverse for such a statement to mean a whole lot. You might find statements such as "In Legacy and Vintage blue is generally considered to be the most powerful colour". This is about perception, not facts and this might be added somewhere, but it is probably outside the scope of this article here.
::::The most meaningful thing going this direction, that I can think of to put in this article, is something like "Magic designers strive to balance the power level of the colours. Due the inherent difficulty of this task perfect balance is rarely achieved, but which colour ends up being strongest shifts over time." You can probably find some remark of Mark Rosewater to that end. If you want it in the article you got to dig for yourself, though. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 13:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


== Rarity Section. ==
Anyone know why Magic is supposed to be for ages 13 and up? I'm thinking just how complex it is could be kinda difficult for younger players.--[[User:Barkjon|<span style="color:#fd0;background:#000">&nbsp;B<span style="color:#f90">a<span style="color:#f50">r<span style="color:#f00">k</span>j</span>o</span>n&nbsp;</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Barkjon|complaints here!]]</small> 17:51, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


Hi, i recently made an image that describes the amount of common, uncommon, rare and mythic rare cards contained in Magic expansions. The italian section of Wikipedia has s rarity section that talks about these different rarities and the foil cards.
:I recall that somebody taught me the basics when Alpha came out. I think I was 8 or 10 at the time, and I understood every aspect of the game (the five colors, card types, how tap meant rotate). By the way, I have mild autism and maybe that's a factor in this (I've tried to teach at least 3 other people with no success) [[User:PowerUserPCDude|Yeah dude, PowerUserPCDude was here (yeah)]] ([[User talk:PowerUserPCDude|talk]]) 18:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


I'll leave the image here in case it can be useful to someone that wants to add that section here too.
::Technically it's what the wrapper says, but that's obviously not the explanation. Actually as far as I know Wizards knows that many kids under 13 play Magic and is very happy with that. The "13+" comes from the depiction of monstrosities, especially in black and some mild nudity, again especially in black. Just like the movies you may not advertise this for the broad audience as suitable for all ages, but if your parents will let their ten-year old watch an 13+ movie at home respectively let him/her play Magic at the kitchen table, because they think he/she is mature enough, then there is no problem. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 20:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


[[File:Magic_Rarities_across_Expansions.svg|Magic Rarities across Expansions]] [[User:Icovsworld|Icovsworld]] ([[User talk:Icovsworld|talk]]) 21:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
:Yep, thought Black was a contributing factor in the 13+ thing. Black illustrations can get pretty gruesome looking. Plus, the game is pretty dang complex - and the rules change often.--[[User:Barkjon|<span style="color:#fd0;background:#000">&nbsp;B<span style="color:#f90">a<span style="color:#f50">r<span style="color:#f00">k</span>j</span>o</span>n&nbsp;</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Barkjon|complaints here!]]</small> 20:03, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
personnally, in addition to the above, i think it's also because Wizards didn't think everyone under thirteen would be able to play well, but you get that at mostt ages so I think it's moot... besides, i was tought by a ten year old. [[User:Jds500|Jds500]] ([[User talk:Jds500|talk]]) 18:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


:{{Ping|Icovsworld}} It seems the data are incorrect. For instance since ''Shards of Alara'' set there are no rare cards, but you can see in [[List of Magic: The Gathering sets|this article]] that this is not the case; there are other major errors in the image though. --[[User:Phyrexian|Phyrexian]] [[User talk:Phyrexian|ɸ]] 05:45, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
I think the 13+ came up around the same time MTG was being criticized for printing things like 'demons' and just being a game concerning magic in general. Also you do things like kill elves etc. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.9.120.50|24.9.120.50]] ([[User talk:24.9.120.50|talk]]) 13:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Does anyone have a source for the age restriction? A lot of people try to change it to 12, adding a link to a source may finally stop this.--[[User:Narayan|Narayan]] ([[User talk:Narayan|talk]]) 13:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
::It was probably due some incorrect filtering i've done on the dataset, i didn't know about this other article with all the correct data, i'll use it and redo all the numbers correctly, thanks! [[User:Icovsworld|Icovsworld]] ([[User talk:Icovsworld|talk]]) 09:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
::it should be fine now! [[Special:Contributions/93.41.120.168|93.41.120.168]] ([[User talk:93.41.120.168|talk]]) 13:08, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
:::It says so on any booster pack you can get your hands on. Shouldn't that be enough? Actually I don't think Wizards mentions it anywhere on their website, but if you really, really want to be sure try [http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/productarticle.aspx?x=mtg/tcg/magic2011/productinfo this] and take a real good look at the lower right corner of the booster box. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 06:24, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
::Ah, i see. The older booster packs i still have don't mention this, seems like a later addition to the cover? A pity nothing is mentioned about this on the mtg site. Thanks for clearing this out anyway!--[[User:Narayan|Narayan]] ([[User talk:Narayan|talk]]) 18:25, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
:Without information on how this chart is being constructed and what the data sources is, it fails [[WP:V]] and [[WP:RS]] for use on Enwiki. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 13:59, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
::Um, doesn't this information seem a little subjective, variable, and unencyclopedic, not to mention almost unsourcable? Conversation here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Collectible_card_games#Infoboxes [[User:2birds1stone|2birds1stone]] ([[User talk:2birds1stone|talk]]) 11:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


== Categories ==
== Skills required: [[Common Sense]] ==


For those familiar with the game, collecting and playing or both, the game contains cards of vampires and angels. I’d like to see this game added to Category:Vampires in games and Category:Angels in popular culture [[User:Twillisjr|Twillisjr]] ([[User talk:Twillisjr|talk]]) 17:01, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
This is a little strange for an infobox's contents. I'm not fully experienced in wiki matters but is this common and acceptable? It certainly doesn't read in an encyclopedic way. And (edit) I forgot to mention that the person adding it didn't bother to check if it directed to the literary or colloquial term. [[Special:Contributions/98.111.220.242|98.111.220.242]] ([[User talk:98.111.220.242|talk]]) 01:38, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


:Categories should be defining, per [[WP:CATDEF]]: {{tq|A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic}}. Can you demonstrate that sources regularly refer to the fact that M:TG contains vampires and angels? M:TG contains nearly every fantasy (and many scifi) tropes that exist. We could put a million categories for dragons, vampires, elves, dwarves, orcs, angels, gods, demons, goblins, on and on. They are not defining. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 17:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
:I haven't played it, but I hang around enough people that play it that they sometimes forget I don't play. I don't see how the game requires any more common sense than any other. Actually, since the unabridged official rules book is over 200 pages or something like that, I'd say that it involves as much rules-lawyering as any RPG. And since it's a competative game, not a cooperative one, common sense would probably be ignored. I'll remove it, but since this isn't on my watchlist, I'm not gonna enforce that removal. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson|talk]]) 01:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)


== Life-total, or life total? ==
::I play the game a lot and while I don't really agree to the rules-lawyering aspect, common sense certainly does not distinguish Magic from other games. Considering that the rules of the game and not those of reality determine what you can do, "common sense" might actually be detrimental to the successful playing of the game. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 22:09, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


Since someone readded this, I'll just add my voice to the consensus that it doesn't belong. "Common sense" is already an ill-defined term, and I don't really see what of "common sense" wouldn't be covered by "logic" anyway. I also pretty much agree with the other concerns that other editors have raised here. [[User:Croctotheface|Croctotheface]] ([[User talk:Croctotheface|talk]]) 01:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
In the article, both versions are used. We should standardize, and use just one version. I had never seen "life total" spelled with a hyphen before reading this article, so my initial impulse would be to use the version without the hyphen. Thoughts? [[User:Wafflewombat|Wafflewombat]] ([[User talk:Wafflewombat|talk]]) 01:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)


'''Update:''' I went ahead and standardized to "life total." Feel free to revert if there's a problem with this. [[User:Wafflewombat|Wafflewombat]] ([[User talk:Wafflewombat|talk]]) 00:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
== Invalid references ==

Some ref links are dead or changed: 45, 16, 17 --[[User:Trollmen|Trollmen]] ([[User talk:Trollmen|talk]]) 16:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

== MTG has Cards From 1991 ==

I have Cards From Before Alpha and Their dated 1991.
I Know the Official Release Was in '93 but i think becaause there are multipule pre-alpha cards that it should be changed from 1993 to 1991. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Conkern65|Conkern65]] ([[User talk:Conkern65|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Conkern65|contribs]]) 20:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Where would these come from? Playtest cards don't really count. Also Magic cards show their copyright only since late 1994, so how would you know, that your cards are from 1991? [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 06:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

:When they first introduced "Flying", They had a card called "Bog Imp". I couldent find one from 1991, But i have one right here. Bog imp 1/1 costs one black and one colourless with no flavour text. The only one i could find on the internet was one from 1994. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Conkern65|Conkern65]] ([[User talk:Conkern65|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Conkern65|contribs]]) 18:51, 14 July 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::The card you mention is actually from [[The Dark (Magic: The Gathering)|The Dark]], Summer 94. "Flying was first introduced" with the introduction of the game, August 93... [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 06:26, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
In addition to all the reasons that have already been given why what Conkern says can't be true, cards didn't have copyright dates printed on them until 4th Edtion. [[Special:Contributions/50.71.167.160|50.71.167.160]] ([[User talk:50.71.167.160|talk]]) 09:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== Game inspired by a baseball game? ==
I could have sworn that in the early days of this game, either in the rulebook or in an interview with Garfield, he said that the game was inspired by a card game he played that centered around baseball. I was never sure if he meant he played a game like MtG but centered around baseball or if he played a game with baseball cards with baseball stats to play a game. Never knowing quite what he meant fixed this fact in my head for all these years. Anyone else remember this? Anyone know what game he was talking about? Also, I think any game that inspired Magic, certainly deserves inclusion. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.9.146.69|68.9.146.69]] ([[User talk:68.9.146.69|talk]]) 23:34, 25 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I don't think I ever heard of it and I have read quite a lot about this game. On the other hand it's quite obvious that Richard took some inspiration from trading cards. I mean it's no coincidence that these cards are called "Trading Cards" and Magic is a "Trading Card Game". But then Richard -as far as I know- is a bit of a scholar of games, so inspiration comes from all sort of games, but it's a too simplifying to just say "this comes from that and this from that game". Do you have any clue where this statement comes from? Maybe an early Duelist? The rulebook it is most definitely not, though. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 06:23, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::Richard Garfield's main inspiration for Magic was the game [[Cosmic Encounter]], first published in 1977. Richard is quoted from various sources that he appreciated Encounters ability to use cards for "game-changing effects". You can use the references in the article for his quotes, or you can just google Richard Garfield and cosmic encounter, as he's listed in several online articles and blogs talking about Encounters influence in his designs at many conventions and game design symposiums. The baseball game that's circling in your head is probably the reference to an early [[Collectible Card Game]] that is mentioned in that article.--[[User:Sparkygravity|Sparkygravity]] ([[User talk:Sparkygravity|talk]]) 19:58, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Random surfer - Yay, I can contribute to explaining what you are talking about. <i>Drafting</i> cards from booster packs was inspired by a baseball game (can't remember the name of it). In the baseball game you started the game by putting a random selection of cards on the table and taking turns picking players (cards). Since the playtesters knew the cards would be distributed in booster packs they made this work quicker by having each player open a booster pack and picking the cards at the same time. This is the reason drafting is called drafting; after the sports term. Can not remember where I've read this, so no source, sorry, but I suspect it was some article on magicthegathering.com. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.226.9.74|83.226.9.74]] ([[User talk:83.226.9.74|talk]]) 00:22, 6 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== recent "mana curve" addition ==

I wonder if this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magic:_The_Gathering&curid=18830&diff=394099835&oldid=393984650 recent edit], has real encyclopedical value. The subject seems noteworthy, but is written like a player guide, not like something you would expect in an encyclopedia. Also, the sources given (playing experience etc.) are in fact a violation of [[Wikipedia:No original research]]. What does everybody think about this?--[[User:Narayan|Narayan]] ([[User talk:Narayan|talk]]) 10:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

:Agree, it could be interesting, but not as currently written. - [[User:IanCheesman|IanCheesman]] ([[User talk:IanCheesman|talk]]) 14:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::Even if rewritten to have encyclopedic value, I don't think this belongs in the main article. It's way to detailed. Maybe could be used somewhere else, though. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 16:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::So, will we remove this part? Unless someane rewrites it and adds proper sources?--[[User:Narayan|Narayan]] ([[User talk:Narayan|talk]]) 18:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

::::Yes, I think it is appropriate to remove it. For easier future reference the removed passage was "Another aspect that a player must consider when constructing their deck is the mana curve.The mana curve is the distribution of mana costs from low to high within the deck. This is achieved by checking the converted mana costs of all the cards when choosing what creatures and spells are going to be used in the deck. In most cases, the lower the mana cost the faster the deck can swarm the field and gain control of the game flow. When the mana cost is higher, the opposite is true, the speed of the game tends to be slower as the player tries to build up the amount of usable mana to play the higher cost spells. Overall, a balance of low and high cost creatures is the ideal situation so that a player can have the defense they need with the low cost creatures while building up the amount of mana available to use the high cost creature or spells to overrun their opponent. The best way to check the mana curve of a deck is to take all the cards that the player wishes to use and lay them out by cost, going from left to right, low cost to high cost. A majority of spells should fall between the 0-3 cost range and branch out slowly into the 4-5+ mana cost range. This will ensure an even spread of mana usage throughout the game and keep the player in better standings to always be able to play a creature or spell when needed." [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 10:57, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== History ==

At the history section i read: "Richard Garfield, the creator of the game, was a professor at Whitman College in 1993.", while the end of the very same paragraph reads: ''after two years of development Magic: The Gathering underwent a general release on 5 August 1993''. Which makes me think about the source for that two year period? Is that two year period wrong, or the ''professor'' section, or doesn't the line about garfield being a professor matter at all?--[[User:Narayan|Narayan]] ([[User talk:Narayan|talk]]) 21:35, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

:It says this, too: "He worked in his spare time with local volunteer playtesters to help refine the game during the 1993 school year." In my opinion that should sufficiently clear, actually I don't really get what you find displeasing about this paragraph. Anyway I guess I can dig up a source for the two-year-period if you distrust that statement. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 15:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Well, shouldn't that date be 1991 then? If he was developing the game for 2 years? So, what i'm saying is, shouldn't the history paragraph be starting with "Development of Magic: The Gathering started in 1991"?--[[User:Narayan|Narayan]] ([[User talk:Narayan|talk]]) 17:07, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::::Ah, I see. Yeah, I guess chronological order makes sense. Although you might want to use just 'Magic' as product name. The 'The Gathering' part was added much later. The name of the game actually was Mana Clash at that point if I recall correctly. [[User:OdinFK|OdinFK]] ([[User talk:OdinFK|talk]]) 07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
:Is there any good source with information about the early days of magic? Cause right now the first sentence: ''Richard Garfield, the creator of the game, was a professor at Whitman College in 1993. In his spare time he worked with local volunteer playtesters to help refine the game during the 1993 school year.'' reads like a step got skipped. Where did "the game" come from? I removed the two year-devolopment part, but it seems like there should be some more information to be inserted at the very beginning of this section.--[[User:Narayan|Narayan]] ([[User talk:Narayan|talk]]) 20:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
:: I am utterly certain that at some point in the early 1990s, he posted to one of the rec.games.design newsgroups (rec.games.design.board?) about having developed the game and wondering what to do with it. The reason I remember it is that I went 'A game where you lose cards forever to someone because they play a card you've never heard of? Nah, it'll never sell' to myself. Obviously, I was wrong about that, but the only problem with proving my memory about the post is that I cannot find it in any online archive. [[User:Lovingboth|Lovingboth]] ([[User talk:Lovingboth|talk]]) 00:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

== Gameplay summary unclear ==

The section about gameplay is unclear to me:
* Do the players know the cards on their opponent's hand?
* Do the players know the cards in their opponent's deck?
* Every player starts with a hand of seven cards. How were these seven cards chosen - randomly from the player's deck or deliberately?
* How does the game proceed - do players take turns? Take turns doing what?
* As game progresses, how does a player get new cards or discard cards? Do they always have seven cards on hand?
[[User:AxelBoldt|AxelBoldt]] ([[User talk:AxelBoldt|talk]]) 13:33, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
:I see the problem. I'll try to add some more about basics such as these later today. To avoid article bloat, I'll also trim the subsection explaining the colors, which doesn't need to be as large as it is. Cheers. <font color="green">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</font>[[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] 13:54, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magic%3A_The_Gathering&action=historysubmit&diff=447513965&oldid=447508386 Done]. It could use tweaking and better integration, and perhaps some explicit references to pages in the rules, but that covers those points. Is there anything else you think should be included? <font color="green">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</font>[[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] 17:11, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

:::This is a lot better now, thanks! Still a few questions:
:::* I assume the initial 7 cards are drawn randomly from the player's own deck, right?
:::* The player whose turn it is plays the first card, right?
:::* "Playing a card" means following the instructions written on the card, and then discarding the card, is that correct?
:::* What if someone has fewer than 7 cards on hand? Do they draw a new card at that point?
:::Thanks again, [[User:AxelBoldt|AxelBoldt]] ([[User talk:AxelBoldt|talk]]) 16:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

::::Responses:
::::*Yes. I tried to make that clear by stating that players shuffle their decks before playing. Should I add something more explicit?
::::*The current player (i.e. player whose turn it is) at least gets the chance to play things first. I've tried to make this more explicit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Magic%3A_The_Gathering&action=historysubmit&diff=447722976&oldid=447707857 here], but it feels awkward without going into it a bit deeper.
::::*This is covered in the third paragraph already. Some cards do what they say, then are discarded, while others stay in play, depending on card type.
::::*If a player has less than seven cards in hand, nothing special happens. They don't get to draw until they are back at seven or anything else. They just have fewer cards in hand (which may or may not be a good thing). I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning a lack of something.
::::I'm not going to be able to include the whole ruleset in the summary, or even enough that a player could learn off of it. Magic's rules are a bit too long to reasonably cover here. Cheers. <font color="green">[[User:Lifebaka|''lifebaka'']]</font>[[User talk:Lifebaka|'''++''']] 20:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Demonic themes subsection ==

I think this sub-section (if it stays it should be part of the Product and marketing section, not artwork), fails [[WP:UNDUE]] and [[WP:SUMMARY]], the only reference is Mark Rosewater's article on the subject. This was never a significant media controversy (comparable to the D&D demonic controversy of the 70's), as far as I'm aware that would warrant inclusion in the main article. Browsing the category I don't see any appropriate sub-article that this should be merged into. Perhaps a single sentence in the marketing section noting the disappearance of demons (retaining the ref of course) would be appropriate. [[User: Crazynas|Crazynas]]<sup> [[User_talk:Crazynas|t]]</sup> 01:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

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None of the colors is better than the rest[edit]

Hi everyone. I suggest to add the information to the article that none of the colours in the game is better than the rest, that all of them have their own advantages and disadvantages. Could someone please do this? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.1.220.13 (talk) 14:04, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is unsourced and unsubstantiated. -- ferret (talk) 14:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Although it is arguably corect and uncontroversial. But The anon didn't specify where to add it, and why should we bother at all. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:35, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think this paragraph actually mostly comes down to the anon's intent:
"The Research and Development (R&D) team at Wizards of the Coast aimed to balance power and abilities among the five colors by using the Color Pie to differentiate the strengths and weaknesses of each. This guideline lays out the capabilities, themes, and mechanics of each color and allows for every color to have its own distinct attributes and gameplay. The Color Pie is used to ensure new cards are thematically in the correct color and do not infringe on the territory of other colors."
As a matter of fact "none of the colours in the game is better than the rest" is also not literally true anyway. It is certainly what Wizards strives for and maybe even achieves to a laudable degree, but then Blue is considered the most colorful in old formats by almost everybody. Also there have been standard formats where colors stood head and shoulders above the rest or a single color was barely playable. So to sum it up, I think the article is pretty much fine where it is right now in this regard. OdinFK (talk) 09:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Blue ;D Atomic putty? Rien! (talk) (talk) 14:00, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again. I come to revive this topic. In a certain degree, it's practically true the statement: "None of the colors is better than the rest" because if you check clearly, everyone thinks that maybe Red and Green are the best in terms of strength and direct damage. But even Blue and White aren't less just because they are defense and healing counterparts. Blue and White also have their own way of attacking which is different from Red and Green (which is direct damage at the opponent's creatures and the opponent himself) that are also useful, such as the venom cards and emptying the deck to your opponent. I believe that this statement: "None of the colors is better than the rest" should be somewhere explained thoroughly in the article because it's important. What do you guys think? Please reply! Thanks! 190.231.171.103 (talk) 15:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still waiting for a reply... 181.110.70.239 (talk) 08:37, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if you think about it "none of the colours are better than the rest" is a statement, that cannot be proven in this matter-of-fact way. Magic is too big, dynamic and diverse for such a statement to mean a whole lot. You might find statements such as "In Legacy and Vintage blue is generally considered to be the most powerful colour". This is about perception, not facts and this might be added somewhere, but it is probably outside the scope of this article here.
The most meaningful thing going this direction, that I can think of to put in this article, is something like "Magic designers strive to balance the power level of the colours. Due the inherent difficulty of this task perfect balance is rarely achieved, but which colour ends up being strongest shifts over time." You can probably find some remark of Mark Rosewater to that end. If you want it in the article you got to dig for yourself, though. OdinFK (talk) 13:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rarity Section.[edit]

Hi, i recently made an image that describes the amount of common, uncommon, rare and mythic rare cards contained in Magic expansions. The italian section of Wikipedia has s rarity section that talks about these different rarities and the foil cards.

I'll leave the image here in case it can be useful to someone that wants to add that section here too.

Magic Rarities across Expansions Icovsworld (talk) 21:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Icovsworld: It seems the data are incorrect. For instance since Shards of Alara set there are no rare cards, but you can see in this article that this is not the case; there are other major errors in the image though. --Phyrexian ɸ 05:45, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was probably due some incorrect filtering i've done on the dataset, i didn't know about this other article with all the correct data, i'll use it and redo all the numbers correctly, thanks! Icovsworld (talk) 09:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
it should be fine now! 93.41.120.168 (talk) 13:08, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Without information on how this chart is being constructed and what the data sources is, it fails WP:V and WP:RS for use on Enwiki. -- ferret (talk) 13:59, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Categories[edit]

For those familiar with the game, collecting and playing or both, the game contains cards of vampires and angels. I’d like to see this game added to Category:Vampires in games and Category:Angels in popular culture Twillisjr (talk) 17:01, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Categories should be defining, per WP:CATDEF: A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic. Can you demonstrate that sources regularly refer to the fact that M:TG contains vampires and angels? M:TG contains nearly every fantasy (and many scifi) tropes that exist. We could put a million categories for dragons, vampires, elves, dwarves, orcs, angels, gods, demons, goblins, on and on. They are not defining. -- ferret (talk) 17:04, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Life-total, or life total?[edit]

In the article, both versions are used. We should standardize, and use just one version. I had never seen "life total" spelled with a hyphen before reading this article, so my initial impulse would be to use the version without the hyphen. Thoughts? Wafflewombat (talk) 01:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I went ahead and standardized to "life total." Feel free to revert if there's a problem with this. Wafflewombat (talk) 00:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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