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== Musical instruments ==
==[Untitled]==
This is the most spectacular redirect in the history of Wikipedia. - [[User:Kookykman|Kookykman]]|<font color="black">[[User talk:Kookykman|(t)]]</font><font color="green">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|''e'']]</font> 14:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
:Indeed. I was sad to see that we still don't have [[List of lists of lists of lists]]. Maybe one day, god willing. --[[User:Xyzzyplugh|Xyzzyplugh]] 13:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
::We'd had it twice already at the time you wrote that, and now again almost four years later. I'm going to put in a [[WP:SALT|salt]] request now. [[User:Feezo|Feezo]] <FONT SIZE="-2">[[User_talk:Feezo|(Talk)]]</FONT> 01:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It appears that those were only fake pages. If a real list of lists of lists of lists was to be created, could there be any content for it? Surely there are '''some''' topical lists of lists of lists that could go onto the list. [[User:Dylan16807|Dylan16807]] ([[User talk:Dylan16807|talk]]) 08:03, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
::::A brief search yields at least one: [[List of animals]] contains [[List of endangered species]], [[List of mammals]], [[Lists of mammals by region]]] etc. [[List of books]] also appears a likely target, qualifying both of these for [[List of lists of lists of lists]]. Such brief sampling suggests that this article could be quite substantial. [[User:Estel|Estel]] <sup>[[User_talk:Estel|(talk)]]</sup> 01:23, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
::::: Keep in mind that this page itself could be on a list of lists of lists of lists. And if we split <i>that</i> page up into two sub-lists, then we can enter those sub-lists into a list of lists of lists of lists of lists. Clearly, this is the best page since [[Disambiguation (disambiguation)]]. [[User:Cakedamber|Cakedamber]] ([[User talk:Cakedamber|talk]]) 03:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::::::This is a joke article, right? [[User:Bigzteve|BigSteve]] ([[User talk:Bigzteve|talk]]) 11:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


Would something like [[list of guitars]] go under "music" or under "technology"? [[User:Orchastrattor|Orchastrattor]] ([[User talk:Orchastrattor|talk]]) 18:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
Wat. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/83.194.182.150|83.194.182.150]] ([[User talk:83.194.182.150|talk]]) 01:54, 31 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:Neither, because it's not a [[List of lists of guitars]]. (However, if it were, it could go under both. There's no rule that each list of lists can only be in one place.) [[User:Pburka|pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 23:32, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
== Article title inaccurate ==


== Should the list contain itself? ==
Some of this content clearly only qualifies to be in an article on lists of lists, not lists of lists of lists.[[Special:Contributions/92.39.205.100|92.39.205.100]] ([[User talk:92.39.205.100|talk]]) 15:02, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
:Like what? I could only find one non-example, [[List of metal bands]], which I removed. Everything else is either "Lists of ..." or "List of ... lists".
::In any case, the article title should be '''List of "List of" lists'''. Sorry to be pedantic about it, but, there you are. [[User:Bigzteve|BigSteve]] ([[User talk:Bigzteve|talk]]) 11:28, 5 March 2013 (UTC)


I hit the undo button on someone removing the self reference because I thought that I would have somewhere I could explain why I was undoing it, but it just went through. In my opinion, as this is a list of lists of lists, it should contain all lists containing other lists; and as the page does contain lists, it would be incomplete without itself. Is there a mention in a style guide somewhere that you shouldn't link an article back to itself or something? [[User:Will Hendrix|Will Hendrix]] ([[User talk:Will Hendrix|talk]]) 04:38, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
This is really disappointing. Came for a list of lists (of lists) and found that that is not what this is. However I understand if this is the wikipedia policy on lists. Seems like this article is evidence the wikipedia policy on lists is broken. [[User:Themusicgod1|Themusicgod1]] ([[User talk:Themusicgod1|talk]]) 23:12, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
:This has been discussed a lot of times in the talk page archives. Example: [[Talk:List_of_lists_of_lists/Archive_2#Questions_on_self-reference_in_lead_and_linking,_hoping_"consensus"_can_change|here]]. The argument in favor of including it is 1. it's technically correct. this page '''is''' a list, and everything listed on this page is also a list, so this page is a list of lists, so it belongs on this page. 2. there is some encyclopedic value in linking to [[recursion]] (last I checked it linked to [[russell's paradox]] but recursion is fine too). 3. it's fairly long standing consensus to include it. Arguments against including it were gut feeling / taste / [[WP:IDONTLIKEIT]]. It could make sense to argue that it's a bit silly and therefore takes away from the seriousness of this page... but this page is silly to begin with, so it's actually a net positive in my eyes. Another argument against including it is [[WP:SELFLINK]] which says it's generally not recommended, but obviously [[WP:IAR]] because this page is clearly a special case (I can't think of any other page that rightly ought to link to itself). [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 05:51, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
:What were you expecting to find, if not this? Every article in this list is a list of lists, as advertised. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 01:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
::As far as I can tell, this page is purely for navigation. It only documents list of lists that exist ''on Wikipedia'', thus its soul purpose is only to help in one's navigation of this website. To this end, documenting this article in itself is pointless and should be removed. [[User:Loytra|Loytra]] ([[User talk:Loytra|talk]]) 10:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
:::I think this page is pretty impractical for navigation. This page is a curiosity, a bit of silliness. I can't think of any practical reason why one would want to see a list of all pages that are two levels deep of lists. Even if you had such a reason, this page does count as a list of lists :) [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 19:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
::::I think we just need a list of lists of lists of lists. That should solve it. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 21:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::[[List of lists of lists of lists]] was salted until recently haha [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 22:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
::::::The current list is getting too long to navigate comfortably so it seems inevitable. And even higher? Maybe in the next age. This would seem absurd, and these lists themselves aren't encyclopaedic but arbitrary categories, so I think technically it shouldn't fall into the same remit as the other Wikipedia rules. [[User:Lightbloom|Lightbloom]] ([[User talk:Lightbloom|talk]]) 22:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::There is actually a potential practical argument here:
:::::Let's say I am looking for some kind of overview about interesting topics related to Japan, then, using Ctrl-F "Japan" in this article is a decent option. More generally, this implies that splitting this article into smaller "Lists of Lists"-articles, one per potentially interesting high-level topic (like "Japan"), and then making one "Lists of Lists of Lists" article which lists all those "Lists of Lists"-articles, has some merit.
:::::But... yeah, it's quite silly, but perhaps still worth a consideration. [[Special:Contributions/2001:A61:2A48:B101:BCA9:1D1A:4901:401|2001:A61:2A48:B101:BCA9:1D1A:4901:401]] ([[User talk:2001:A61:2A48:B101:BCA9:1D1A:4901:401|talk]]) 19:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
:lol [[Special:Contributions/2603:6011:9600:52C0:51F3:5E1B:CF43:D1CE|2603:6011:9600:52C0:51F3:5E1B:CF43:D1CE]] ([[User talk:2603:6011:9600:52C0:51F3:5E1B:CF43:D1CE|talk]]) 02:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


== List to add under "Medicine" ==
== Self-reference? ==


This is clearly a list of lists (of lists). Therefore, it should be included on a list of lists. Thus, this article should link to itself. [[Special:Contributions/130.207.70.171|130.207.70.171]] ([[User talk:130.207.70.171|talk]]) 15:49, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
A list of diseases / disorders could be added under "Medicine" easily since you already have such lists in Wikipedia. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1700:7804:80:2E36:1C02:BDDE:5605|2600:1700:7804:80:2E36:1C02:BDDE:5605]] ([[User talk:2600:1700:7804:80:2E36:1C02:BDDE:5605|talk]]) 06:33, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
:This is an encyclopaedia, not a computer science problem. :) [[User Talk:Stevage|Stevage]] 01:55, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
::Why don't we create an article named [[Russel's paradox|List of lists of lists that don't include themselves]]? :) [[Special:Contributions/201.66.171.62|201.66.171.62]] ([[User talk:201.66.171.62|talk]]) 15:04, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
::At minimum, I think we can agree that this page is itself a list of lists of lists. It follows that our list of lists of lists is incomplete since it doesn't include itself in either the list of lists nor the list of lists of lists page. [[Special:Contributions/141.156.47.45|141.156.47.45]] ([[User talk:141.156.47.45|talk]]) 21:59, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
:::It was added on the 20th April. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', <small>23:15, 31 August 2011 (UTC).</small><br />
:::: That's almost disappointing. It ought to have been added on the 1st of April. [[User:Collabi|Collabi]] ([[User talk:Collabi|talk]]) 03:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
:::: Now that this page does include itself, the question becomes this: [[Gödel's incompleteness theorems#First_incompleteness_theorem|can we prove that it is a <i>comprehensive</i> list of lists of lists]]? [[User:Cakedamber|Cakedamber]] ([[User talk:Cakedamber|talk]]) 03:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
:Alright, so I've looked through the history of this page and often find the comment "Do not add [[List of lists]] or [[List of lists of lists]]." Why exactly? For all intents and purposes, this article and [[List of lists]] are lists of lists and should thus be in a list of lists of lists which this article claims to be. So, why do all changes adding [[List of lists]] or [[List of lists of lists]] to this article always get undone? [[Special:Contributions/82.83.79.50|82.83.79.50]] ([[User talk:82.83.79.50|talk]]) 18:17, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
*This is "List of lists of lists" rather than "List of lists of lists and of lists of lists of lists" (in other words, we list here lists of lists but this page itself is list of lists of lists so it is not a list of lists) [[User:Bulwersator|Bulwersator]] ([[User talk:Bulwersator|talk]]) 11:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
:: Lists of lists of lists are a subset of lists of lists, therefore while it may belong in your hypothetical category, it also certainly belongs in its own category. It's undeniable that List of lists of lists belongs in List of lists of lists, the question is whether it's against Wikipedia policy or style guides to include it. If the goal of lists is explicitly to be comprehensive, then the article should be added to itself. If you're just trying to get a central repository from which people can navigate to lists of lists, then since you're already here, there's no reason to add List of lists of lists. [[User:0x0077BE|0x0077BE]] ([[User talk:0x0077BE|talk]]) 02:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
::: Absolutely agree. A list of lists is a list and a list of lists of lists is a list and a list of lists. The List of lists of lists is a list and a list of lists and should certainly contain itself. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/128.40.38.9|128.40.38.9]] ([[User talk:128.40.38.9|talk]]) 13:03, 12 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::: I'm not saying the article should contain itself, just that the list of lists of lists belongs in the set defined by the list of lists of lists. That's undeniable. The question is if you're aiming for completeness or if this is simply a navigation page, in which case there's no reason to include it. [[User:0x0077BE|0x0077BE]] ([[User talk:0x0077BE|talk]]) 15:28, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
::::: In our [[axiomatic system]]s we tend to [[Gödel's_incompleteness_theorems#First_incompleteness_theorem|sacrifice completeness where is conflicts with consistency]], valuing the latter over the former. WP is certainly a system, axiomatic or not. [[Special:Contributions/72.37.249.60|72.37.249.60]] ([[User talk:72.37.249.60|talk]]) 19:02, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
:::::: But inluding the list of lists of lists in the list of lists of lists page does not conflict with consistency. So that would not be an argument against reaching for completeness in this article. [[Special:Contributions/2002:4E68:976A:5:ED6F:39C9:CCF0:98C2|2002:4E68:976A:5:ED6F:39C9:CCF0:98C2]] ([[User talk:2002:4E68:976A:5:ED6F:39C9:CCF0:98C2|talk]]) 14:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)


:But is there a list of lists of diseases? [[User:Tamfang|—Tamfang]] ([[User talk:Tamfang|talk]]) 00:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
I find the self-reference confusing and pedantic. I accidentally removed it again from the page. I'll revert my changes, even though I completely disagree with this bizarre argument. [[User:Velvetsmog|JakeZ]] ([[User talk:Velvetsmog|talk]]) 04:44, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


== Rename the page ==
== Requested move 27 March 2024 ==
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[Wikipedia:Requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]] after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.''
I propose to move this page from ''List of lists of lists'' to ''Lists of lists of lists'' per [[WP:LISTNAME]]. [[User:Toshio Yamaguchi|Toshio Yamaguchi]] ([[User talk:Toshio Yamaguchi|talk]]) 13:18, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
:That doesn't seem to make sense. The primary difference between the current title and the proposed title is the difference between whether this page shows lists of lists, or whether it shows lists of lists of lists, which doesn't seem to have anything to do with the naming guideline. Do you mean to propose that the title be changed to "Lists of lists" (which ''would'' be a different name with the same meaning as the current one)? [[User:Theoldsparkle|Theoldsparkle]] ([[User talk:Theoldsparkle|talk]]) 14:36, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
::I reexamined my above proposal and I agree it is not entirely correct. This list lists multiple "Lists of ..." lists. My understanding is that pages listing multiples pages which are called "List of ..." are called "Lists of ...". The correct term to insert in place of ... per the topic of this list would be "List of lists". Thus I think the correct title would actually be "Lists of list of lists". [[User:Toshio Yamaguchi|Toshio Yamaguchi]] ([[User talk:Toshio Yamaguchi|talk]]) 15:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
:::I don't think that's correct. I'm still not sure what kind of change you are proposing. The current title of this page says that this page ''is'' a list of X, where X = "lists of lists." Your proposed title says that this page ''shows'' lists of X, meaning that this page ''is'' a list of lists of X, meaning a list of lists of list(s) of lists. This is a different meaning from the current title. A title that would mean the same thing as the current title would be "Lists of lists", in the same way that the titles "List of famous people" and "Famous people" mean the same thing. [[User:Theoldsparkle|Theoldsparkle]] ([[User talk:Theoldsparkle|talk]]) 15:37, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
::::I have to admit have confused myself a bit. Compare this for example with [[Lists of banks]]. It shows multiple "List of banks in ..." pages and is therefore called "Lists of banks". In direct analogy, this page shows multiple "Lists of ..." pages and should be called ''"Lists of lists of lists"'' or perhaps ''"Lists of 'List of' pages"'' to make it clearer. [[User:Toshio Yamaguchi|Toshio Yamaguchi]] ([[User talk:Toshio Yamaguchi|talk]]) 16:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
:::::To be honest, I'm out of energy for trying to find a way to write about this topic, because it's just too confusing. I suggest posting your proposal using the directions at [[WP:RM|Requested Moves]] in order to get more feedback, maybe from people with a better gift for explaining such knotty concepts. [[User:Theoldsparkle|Theoldsparkle]] ([[User talk:Theoldsparkle|talk]]) 20:16, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
::::::The current title is correct, and [[User talk:Toshio Yamaguchi]] is mixing up the two parts. The content of the article is a single list, whether its entries are lists or not, and therefore "List of ..." is accurate. The "List of ..." could also be omitted, in which case the title would be the (slightly more ambiguous) "Lists of lists". "Lists of lists of lists" is flat wrong. Think of it this way—if we call lists of lists (e.g. pages like [[Lists of state leaders]]) "yodawgs", then this article is a "list of yodawgs", not "lists of yodawgs". --[[Special:Contributions/24.128.245.107|24.128.245.107]] ([[User talk:24.128.245.107|talk]]) 13:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::As per my previous proposal, the article should be renamed "List of 'list of lists' articles", as it only mentions Wikipedia lists, not lists in general. If one counts lists as being separate from articles (even though they are actually a subsection), then this title can be shortened to "List of list of lists". "Lists of list of lists" is inappropriate as there there is only one list article.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] ([[User talk:Coin945|talk]]) 17:59, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

== Possible additions (November 2011) ==

During the last few days, I have scoured [[WP:QI]] for possible new entries, and I have found the following pages.
*[[Listing priority number]]
*[[Lists by country]]
*[[Lists of ABC shows]]
*[[Lists of Britons]]
*[[Lists of Catholicoi]]
*[[Lists of Christmas number one singles]]
*[[Lists of Commissioners' churches in southern England, the Midlands and Wales]]
*[[Lists of Crayola colors]]
*[[Lists of Czechoslovakian films]]
*[[Lists of Knight Rider episodes]]
*[[Lists of Spanish provinces]]
*[[Lists of bus routes in New York City]]
*[[Lists of Danzig officials]]
*[[Lists of people executed in Texas]]
*[[Lists of people from Camden]]
*[[Lists of promoters of the Rosary]]
See also these sets of pages.
*{{Lookfrom|List of busiest airports}}
*{{Lookfrom|Listed buildings}}
Someone else can decide whether to list those in [[List of lists of lists]]. <br>
(I found several entries redirected from “Lists of ..” to “List of ...” or to a section of “Outline of ...”, but I left them unchanged, partly because they might be changed back again. Someone might wish to run through the list periodically, to see what has been redirected.) <br>
—[[User:Wavelength|Wavelength]] ([[User talk:Wavelength|talk]]) 22:27, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
:There is also {{Lookfrom|List of tallest buildings}} [[User:Scalziand|<span style="color:green">Scalzi</span><span style="color:maroon">+</span>]] | ([[User_talk:Scalziand|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Scalziand|contribs]]) 04:21, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

==Really==
How necessary is this page, really? [[User:Mchcopl|Mchcopl]] ([[User talk:Mchcopl|talk]]) 06:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)!

** Necessary until Wikipedia gets a vague sense of humor. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.68.96.140|108.68.96.140]] ([[User talk:108.68.96.140|talk]]) 00:08, 31 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Introductory sentence inaccurate ==

"On Wikipedia, many lists contain lists that themselves contain lists."
This implies that the following links all lead to lists of lists of lists, while the title and the content merely refer to lists of lists. The sentence describes the article itself but not its contents. I'm changing it to be more relevant. --[[Special:Contributions/69.106.227.60|69.106.227.60]] ([[User talk:69.106.227.60|talk]]) 21:39, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

== Requested move ==
Firstly, I made only 1 (major) typo not 2 (sorry about aricles or whatever it was... Oops.. *blush*) I thought about the title for a long time and came to the conclusion that the title should be something like [[List of "list of lists" articles]]. Secondly, my point still stands. I know how wonderful it is to have a wiki article with such a ridiculous name and we all want too keep it like that, just like [[Disambiguation (disambiguation)]], but the title of the article is just not true. An article on all lists of lists would be called this, but the article only lists wiki-articles that happen to be lusts of lists. Therefore the title must make it clear were talking wiki-lists over here. Thirdly, all lists are articles, so the title is correct. I guess you could also say [[List of "list of lists" lists]], which might be the favorable option if decisions around here are solely based on if we can keep the funny name or not.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] ([[User talk:Coin945|talk]]) 18:30, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
:If you want to move a page that's seen as much activity as this one, I think you should follow the instructions at [[WP:RM]] to list the requested move for discussion. I probably would have [[WP:BRD|reverted]] the move for that reason, even if it weren't for the typo and for my (apparently mistaken, I see now) understanding that lists are not considered articles. I also think that, if the title were to be changed, the one you used was probably not the best. Maybe [[List of list-of-lists articles]] would be slightly clearer. [[User:Theoldsparkle|Theoldsparkle]] ([[User talk:Theoldsparkle|talk]]) 16:44, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
::Oh yes, something like that, or even without the dashes, would be favourable. The only reaosn I used the " was so I could split up the title into easily manageable chunks so you could decide for yourself if "list of lists" or "lists of lists" was correct. To me, the former is still the correct option, as this article lists the "list of lists" articles throughout Wikipedia. So, do you think an official move request is on order? Is my case strong enough? What do you think?--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] ([[User talk:Coin945|talk]]) 17:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
::'''Addendum:''' At least in my mind, lists are a subsection of articles. So are disambiguation pages. I'm not sure why there are both featured lists and featured articles though... that seems unrelated to my definition that an article is any page that would be used by a non-editor.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] ([[User talk:Coin945|talk]]) 17:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
:::I had thought I remembered reading in a guideline that a list is not an article, but [[WP:LISTS]] indicates I was mistaken. You haven't convinced me the move is warranted, but if you want to pursue it, the [[WP:RM]] procedure would be the way to do so (and I have no real sense of which direction the discussion might go, i.e. whether your proposal would be successful or not). [[User:Theoldsparkle|Theoldsparkle]] ([[User talk:Theoldsparkle|talk]])
::::There's a discussion over at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of criticism and critique articles]] that's relevant to this page. The outcome of a related proposal will probably decide if the merge will go through or not.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] ([[User talk:Coin945|talk]]) 16:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

== List of lists ==

Since there is a list of lists of lists, I suggest that a list of lists page be created. [[User:Bonkers The Clown|Bonkers The Clown]] ([[User talk:Bonkers The Clown|talk]]) 10:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
:Do you know how many lists there are on Wikipedia, and how enormous such a page would be? [[User:BabelStone|BabelStone]] ([[User talk:BabelStone|talk]]) 10:54, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

== Pointless ==

This article is pointless, the category already does a better job. [[User:IRWolfie-|IRWolfie-]] ([[User talk:IRWolfie-|talk]]) 14:47, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

:I completely agree. I was originally confused when I found this page because it was obvious to me that this is really a job for Category tagging, but then when I saw that the 'List' and 'List of Lists' categories both already exist....I'm really confused. I propose that all articles listed on this page are confirmed to be tagged appropriately and this page gets deleted. If other people support this idea, I'll take it to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Lists]] (provided I remember to...if someone else wants to take responsibility that would be great) since this is clearly their bag and I'm not invested in this at all. I feel like tagging the linked articles could even be accomplished fairly easily by a bot. --[[User:Shaggorama|Shaggorama]] ([[User talk:Shaggorama|talk]]) 17:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

::This article is useful. Please see [[Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates]].
::—[[User:Wavelength|Wavelength]] ([[User talk:Wavelength|talk]]) 19:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

:A few thoughts:
* [[:Category:Lists of lists]] has 320 entries currently (plus this page).
* This page has 466 entries/lines of content (not including headers, blanklines, seealso, appendices, etc), of which 15 are disambig pages (I used the linkclassifier script to highlight pagetypes. I'm not insane ;)
* If those numbers matched, it'd arguably be a non-useful overlap of content, because:
* As a straight alphabetical listing, it ''is'' duplicating the category. (Although that still has benefits: All on one page, searchable, and trackable changes. - and cons: it has to be manually updated). -- However, we could potentially (if anyone was interested) reorganize the contents by ''topic'', in the same way that the [[Portal:Contents/Lists]] is. (Actually, that Portal should already contain quite a few of these (but is not intended to be exhaustive)).
* I'd suggest either A): 1) Check the list against the category, to add any missing pages into the category. 2) Merge any particularly useful/interesting lists into the Portal. 3) Add a link in the Portal Intro, to the category. 4) Redirect this list, to the Portal.
*or B) re-structuring this listpage into a topic-section-based collation (instead of plain alphabetical). —[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 20:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

::Please see [[WP:NOTDUP]]. Any argument saying that a category is better than a list is a non-starter. <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 02:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
:::I'm an incredibly strong supporter of WP:NOTDUP, but context-based. Sometimes there are realistically unnecessary overlaps. (I.e. we don't make a list-article for ''every single category'', and we wouldn't want to.)
:::E.g. a ''perfect'' case of NOTDUP would be something like [[:Category:Timelines]] compared to [[List of timelines]]. That list is structured and annotated, hence vastly beneficial ''in addition to'' the category itself. (NOTDUP is particularly relevant there, because the page is a "navigation aid" and not really a citable list on a "topic" (it's never going to get FeaturedList status). Some editors say that type of page should be removed from the mainspace entirely, but NOTDUP and commonsense-context are part of the reason that we don't. I've got an entire RfC-draft on [[User:Quiddity/Navigational pages RfC|that]] <s>canofworms</s> issue...)
:::I've rewritten the last 2 bullet points above, to make my suggestions a bit clearer. I'd be strongly in favour of B) if anyone is willing to have a go at it. Parts of A) would still be useful though. Improve ''all'' the things! HTH. —[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 19:20, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
::::What should be groups be? Off the top of my head:
::::*Lists of people
::::*Lists related to biology
::::*Lists related to culture (including entertainment)
::::*Lists related to geography
::::*Lists related to economics
::::*Lists related to society
::::*Lists related to politics
::::*Lists related to space
::::*Lists related to sport
::::*Lists related to technology
::::*Lists related to transportation
::::[[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 04:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
::::::When in doubt, I usually check the Featured examples for ideas. So, we could structure the groups to match [[Wikipedia:Featured lists]]. Or if that's too many subgroups, then we could match the structure of [[Portal:Contents/Overviews]]. (Or [[:Category:Main topic classifications]] but that's erratic). Whatever works. —[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 17:53, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
:::::::Good suggestion. I hadn't seen that article before. It looks like an excellent starting point. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 22:56, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

== Protection ==

Please protect this article against edits from unregistered users. -- [[User:Petru Dimitriu|Petru Dimitriu]] ([[User talk:Petru Dimitriu|talk]]) 21:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
:I don't think that's necessary at this point. The page isn't a particular target, although there has been a bit more vandalism than usual the last few days. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 23:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
::Indeed, see [[WP:SEMI]] for details on when it is a necessary/recommended solution. -- [[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 01:22, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

== So it is true ==

The legend is indeed true then - An article named List of Lists of Lists.. It sounds like the title of a 1001 Nights story. [[Special:Contributions/89.89.92.100|89.89.92.100]] ([[User talk:89.89.92.100|talk]]) 20:23, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

== Name should be "Lists of lists" ==

I believe the name of this list is inconsistent with its contents. Every entry is a list of lists, but almost all of them are called "Lists of X", not "List of lists of X". This page is also a list of lists. Therefore, if we are trying to be consistent, the title should be "Lists of lists." --[[User:Albany NY|Albany NY]] ([[User talk:Albany NY|talk]]) 02:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There doesn't seem to be a clear consensus on naming lists of lists. On one hand, Wikipedia's naming convention calls for using the singular whenever possible. On the other hand, "Lists of XYZ" is more concise and less awkward than "List of lists of XYZ". [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 04:20, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
::Eg [[List of lists of films‎]], [[List of lists of stadiums]], [[List of lists about Omaha]], [[List of lists of women]], [[List of lists of settlements in the United States]], [[List of lists of people from Kansas]], [[List of lists of ancient kings]], [[List of lists of tennis records and statistics]], [[List of lists of Empire ships]], [[List of lists of municipalities in Spain]], [[List of lists of painters by nationality]], [[List of lists of national institutions and symbols]], [[List of lists of artists by nationality]], [[List of lists of islands of the European Union]] ;) (I think that's all of them, with that exact word order) It ''might'' be worth renaming all of these, but would need a central discussion somewhere. (I've insufficient coffee in me, to guess at where, or what ramifications ought to be brought up. Maybe later). —[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 17:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC):
:::Might be better to merge each of these into one article. E.g. Merge each list artcile linked to in [[List of lists of films‎]] to a new [[Lists of films‎]]. Did you check for the case ''Lists of Lists of ...''? — [[User:Lentower|Lentower]] ([[User talk:Lentower#top|talk]]) 14:09, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Agree''' Given that this renaming has happened across the board, it seems like this page should become "Lists of lists" as well. [[User:Personman|Personman]] ([[User talk:Personman|talk]]) 06:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Disagree'''. The title as it is now[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_lists_of_lists&oldid=636601756], is very descriptive of it's contents, which is valuable to all the readers of Wikipedia. There is at least one essay or guildline in the Wikipedia namespace, that states that consistency is not a goal here on Wikipedia, but is best used whne it helps our readers. — [[User:Lentower|Lentower]] ([[User talk:Lentower#top|talk]]) 14:09, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There are quite a few sections on this Talk page bringing this possible renaming and related matters up. I see no clear consensus. — [[User:Lentower|Lentower]] ([[User talk:Lentower#top|talk]]) 14:13, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

== Referencing Wikipedia ==

The first sentence mentions that the lists are on Wikipedia. Doesn't this violate [[WP:SELFREF]]? --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 04:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

: Agreed. First sentence should probably be re-worded. The only wordings I can think of are confusing, such as: "This is a list of list articles which are themselves lists." or "This is a list of articles which list lists." Maybe the first one will do? --[[User:0x0077BE|0x0077BE]] ([[User talk:0x0077BE|talk]]) 19:43, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

== Change the title of this page to "List of Lists." ==

This article is a list of lists. It is not a list of "lists of lists."

I would change the title, but I am not sure if that's something that regularly happens on Wikipedia. That seems a little bit more significant than a simple typo change or rephrasing of an article. Can someone let me know? If no one says anything within seven days, I will attempt to change it and see what happens. [[User:LogicalCreator|LogicalCreator]] ([[User talk:LogicalCreator|talk]]) 01:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
:Every article in this list is itself a list of lists. Therefore this article is a list of lists of lists. A list of all Wikipedia lists would be unmaintainable due to its size. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 02:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

== Should the title change from "List of Lists of Lists" to "Directory of Lists of Lists"? ==

Should the title change from "List of Lists of Lists" to "Directory of Lists of Lists"? I'm just asking the question, I'm NOT advocating such a change (and, at least in theory, neither am I opposing it). There are lots of proposals here for name changes, but the above one is the one that would make most 'sense' (IF 'sense' is what we want) - it describes the 'sensible' purpose of the article, and fatally undermines arguments about whether the list should include itself. It would also stop the article causing laughter around the world, which some will see as the strongest argument for the name change, and others will see as the strongest argument against it, on the basis that laughter is the best medicine, and there's much to be said for adding to the gaiety of nations - I only heard about the article because a French Wikipedian had it in the humour section of his user page. <br><br>

Perhaps I should have pointed out that it's currently actually something like 26 Lists (the list of lists of lists under the letter A, the list of lists of lists under the letter B, ... and so on to Z).<br><br>

So arguably we could legitimately achieve even more beautiful artistic symmetry by renaming it "Lists of Lists of Lists" :) [[User:Tlhslobus|Tlhslobus]] ([[User talk:Tlhslobus|talk]]) 17:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
:'''No'''. Most lists on Wikipedia are directories. "List" is the conventional name for these articles. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 18:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

:I'd suggest that the title is not a major concern. - Improving the contents is vastly more important (and labor intensive, hence it gets ignored). See the thread [[#Pointless]] above, for a bunch of notes on improving this page's contents. –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 19:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
::Luckily in Spanish Wikipedia, we do not need to have this kind of confusing titles, because list-articles (those which are not encyclopedic articles by themselves) are created under a different namespace than main namespace, obtaining instead this: <span style="border:1px solid #eaeaea;background-color:#fafafa"><tt>Anexo:</tt>''<tt>Encyclopedic-supporting-article name</tt>''</span>. ''Anexo'' is the <code>104</code> namespace under WP:ES. In the case of English Wikipedia, it could be something like th</span>is: <span style="border:1px solid #eaeaea;background-color:#fafafa"><tt>Appendix:List of lists</tt></span> or <span style="border:1px solid #eaeaea;background-color:#fafafa"><tt>Appendix:List of articles about lists</tt></span>. --[[User:Zerabat|Zerabat]] ([[User talk:Zerabat|talk]]) 02:09, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

== List of lists of lists of lists ==

Not sure about it but, shouldn't "List of metalloid lists", "List of mountain lists" or even "List of film lists" be considered as lists of lists of lists of lists ?
To a certain point there has to be some lists of lists of lists out there. Waiting for a benevolent wikipedian to list them. [[Special:Contributions/83.137.242.27|83.137.242.27]] ([[User talk:83.137.242.27|talk]]) 15:06, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Such a thing now exists: http://www.raikoth.net/lololol.html [[User:Calc rulz|Calc rulz]] ([[User talk:Calc rulz|talk]]) 22:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
:: Not all lists of lists are lists of lists of lists, but all lists of lists of lists are lists of lists. [[User:0x0077BE|0x0077BE]] ([[User talk:0x0077BE|talk]]) 16:09, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

== Reorganize ==
::''The [[#Pointless|discussion last year]], just above.''
Last year there was some discussion about reorganizing this list. The current alphabetical order isn't a particularly useful way to organize the list, as it doesn't group related lists together. Grouping lists into related topics has several advantages. For example, it helps expose inconsistencies in naming conventions, which allows us to improve the the encyclopedia. I've had a go at reorganizing this list [[User:Pburka/List of lists of lists|here]]. Please take a look and provide feedback on whether or not this is a good idea, and ideas to further improve the organization. (There are some comments in the markup which explain some of my organizational decisions.) [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 16:49, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
: This looks like a good format. As a small change, I suggest that the section titles to edited to remove "Lists of lists of" and "topics". The topic name alone is sufficient. [[User_talk:Fitnr|Fitnr]] 17:02, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:: I think you're probably right. I went back and forth in my head about that. My goal was to reinforce the "Lists of lists" rule so as to dissuade new editors from adding simple lists, but I think it may be too verbose. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 17:20, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
:A sortable wikitable ([[MOS:TABLE]]) can accommodate alphabetical ordering together with other arrangements.
:—[[User:Wavelength|Wavelength]] ([[User talk:Wavelength|talk]]) 18:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
::That's true, and I did consider that, but it wasn't clear to me what columns such a table would have, and what the secondary and tertiary sort key would be. Additionally, I'm not convinced that the current alphabetical ordering provides any value. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 00:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

:I've linked last year's discussion at the top.
:I like the look of your draft - which particular organizational scheme (as prev discussed) are you matching it to, or basing it on? –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 02:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
::The scheme is of my own invention. However, in reviewing the discussion from last year again, I took another look at [[Portal:Contents/Overviews]]. I think it would probably be better to base the scheme on that, and it will be simple to transfer the work I've already done to that scheme. I'll have a go at that in the next few days. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 01:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Done. It now closely matches [[Portal:Contents/Overviews]]. I made a few small adjustments. For example, "War" should be under "Philosophy", but there were no other philosophy topics, so I placed it under "Society", as it seemed awkward and confusing to have only topics about war in a section about philosophy. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 22:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Pburka}} Looks great! I support replacing the alphabetical version, with your sandbox version. And thanks again for following up, and doing the sorting/classifying work. :) –[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 05:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. I've made the changes. I'm curious under which category the next anon editor will try to add a recursive link. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 23:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
::::::I'm disappointed. The anon listed it under "Miscellaneous". "Logic and Mathematics" would have at least demonstrated some understanding of the question. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 17:29, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

== Another possible item? ==

Could I add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionization_energies_of_the_elements to the list of lists of lists? Because for each element, it has a list of the ionization energies, and there is a list of each element there with the ionization energies. Could I put that in physical sciences section? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AlexDFischer|AlexDFischer]] ([[User talk:AlexDFischer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AlexDFischer|contribs]]) 00:33, 25 January 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Alex, I don't think that's a list of lists so much as a table, which has been divided into three sections to prevent it from becoming too wide. Typically, a list of lists should be a list article which is a list of other list articles. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 01:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't referring to the different sections of the table (1-10, 11-20, 21-30 etc) but to the list of elements. The page of has a list of elements, and each element has a sub-list which is the list of ionization energies. Does that still not count as a list of lists? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:AlexDFischer|AlexDFischer]] ([[User talk:AlexDFischer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/AlexDFischer|contribs]]) 04:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: By that definition all tabular data with more than one row and more than 2 columns would be a list of lists. That may be an accurate way to think about it, but it dramatically expands the scope of this article. [[User:0x0077BE|0x0077BE]] ([[User talk:0x0077BE|talk]]) 16:12, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
: OK, I won't add it then.[[User:AlexDFischer|AlexDFischer]] ([[User talk:AlexDFischer|talk]]) 03:23, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

== User:AlexNewArtBot/ListsSearchResult ==

Watchers of this page might wish to watch [[User:AlexNewArtBot/ListsSearchResult]]. <br>
—[[User:Wavelength|Wavelength]] ([[User talk:Wavelength|talk]]) 20:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC) <br>
{{lookfrom|Lists of}} and {{lookfrom|List of lists of}} may also be of interest. <br>
—[[User:Wavelength|Wavelength]] ([[User talk:Wavelength|talk]]) 22:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC) and 22:56, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

==Content in "See also" section==

Should the See Also section be on this page? I think it would be better for the page on [[Enumeration]] <font color="#008888">[[User:Asmeurer|asmeurer]] ([[User talk:Asmeurer|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Asmeurer|contribs]])</font> 20:09, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
:The issue here is not whether this article should have a '''See also''' section or not. The issue is whether the following content (wikilinks) should be in a '''See also''' section on this article:

::''* [[The Book of Lists]]''
::''* [[The Infinity of Lists]]''

:This content does not belong on [[Enumeration]], which is about a mathematical concept. This content does belong here, as these two articles are about lists of lists.
:{{User link|Asmeurer}} deleted it. I added it back. He deleted this content again, and started this section. — [[User:Lentower|Lentower]] ([[User talk:Lentower#top|talk]]) 17:46, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

::The editor(s) who added this content felt it belonged in this article. — [[User:Lentower|Lentower]] ([[User talk:Lentower#top|talk]]) 21:35, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

== Lists of philosophers ==

Hi. Can someone who understands the organisational system a bit better add [[Lists of philosophers]] to whichever section it should be in (or create a new section if necessary, but I didn't know if we did that for only one list)? Cheers, [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 11:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
:Why not put it under [[List of lists of lists#People|People]], specifically under [[Lists of people by occupation]]? [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 23:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
::Ah, good call. So added. [[User:Jenks24|Jenks24]] ([[User talk:Jenks24|talk]]) 11:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

== LARGE ADDITION INCOMING... ==

I've got a list of every list of lists of films sitting in my sandbox. Many would be difficult to find by name, as their names are inconsistent and not always indicative of the contents.

This addition would more than double the "Culture and the arts" section. Somewhere around 180 lists of lists of films. I did my best to appropriately arrange them alphabetically and by genre, country, language, and decade. I did ignore the difference between "list" and "lists" though, to keep this list of lists of lists consistently inconsistent.

If there are no objections, I'll add my list of list lists to the list of lists of lists in a couple of days. Also, on an unrelated note, the word "list" is starting to lose all meaning to me.

— [[User:Misha Vargas|Misha Vargas]] ([[User talk:Misha Vargas|talk]]) 17:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Misha Vargas}} Did you see [[Lists of films]] already? (It's probably not complete or up-to-date, and could benefit from your fresh explorations/memory.) HTH. [[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 19:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

: Looks good to me. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 19:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
::There are a number of these that are titled "List of X films" not "Lists of X films". Frankly, I'm a bit dubious about almost all of these lists of lists that are essentially just disambiguation pages for long lists broken up presumably because of [[WP:SIZE]] (e.g. [[List of Chinese films]]). These are not really lists of lists so much as index pages for a single list that is too long to be on one page. Under that definition, many of these additions should be removed from this page.

::Alternately - and this is not something I'm in favor of - we might want to see about getting them changed to be titled "Lists of X films" rather than "List of x films", if they really are lists of lists. Personally, when I consider renaming [[List of Chinese films]] to [[Lists of Chinese films]], I see how it changes the implicit scope of the article, and reinforces the point that these should not be included here.[[User:0x0077BE|<font style="color: #0077BE">0x0077BE</font>]] [<sup>[[User talk:0x0077BE|<font color="#0033BE">talk</font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/0x0077BE|<font color="#0033BE">contrib</font>]]</sub>] 22:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

:::Thanks for taking an interest. When I compiled this addition, I looked at only the structure of the pages, not at the names. I agree that the naming of these lists are completely inconsistent. Something like [[List of film spin-offs]] is certainly not just a split up list, it's just a mis-named list. I felt it was consistent with other lists already within the List of lists of lists, such as [[Lists of The New York Times Fiction Best Sellers]], or [[Lists of UK Compilation Chart number-one albums]]. In a way, any of these lists could be made into larger single-page lists if size weren't an issue. Something like [[Lists of hospitals in Africa]] could be a single list, broken into sections by country. But it seems the consequences of deciding to do it one way or another includes it ending up being listed here or not.

::: — [[User:Misha Vargas|Misha Vargas]] ([[User talk:Misha Vargas|talk]]) 23:41, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I have no problem with your addition - it's certainly consistent with the way things are currently done here, even though some of the pages are named inconsistently. I agree the point about [[List of film spin-offs]] (though that particular page happens to basically have a [[WP:2DAB]] problem) being named incorrectly. Regarding the naming issue, at some point, maybe we should take this discussion to [[WP:Wikiproject Lists]] or [[WP:Wikiproject Disambiguation]] to have a broader discussion about how split-up lists are named, since it seems to be implemented inconsistently at the moment. For now, it might be worth having a discussion about whether index pages to a divided single lists are really "lists of lists". I'll start a new section for that discussion, though, since it might be OT here. [[User:0x0077BE|<font style="color: #0077BE">0x0077BE</font>]] [<sup>[[User talk:0x0077BE|<font color="#0033BE">talk</font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/0x0077BE|<font color="#0033BE">contrib</font>]]</sub>] 04:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

==Article scope==
In the [[Talk:List of lists of lists#LARGE ADDITION INCOMING...|discussion above]], the question of the scope of this article has come up, and I think it probably deserves its own section. From what I can see, the lists here are divided roughly into three categories, proper lists of lists like [[Lists of programming languages]] and [[Lists of academic journals]], disambiguation pages like [[Lists of The Office episodes]] and [[Lists of V episodes]], and what amount to index pages for a single list that, likely due to [[WP:SIZE]], have been broken up into subcategories, like [[Lists of This American Life episodes]], [[Lists of horror films of the 1960s]] and [[List of Chinese films]].

I would propose that the scope of this article be narrowed to only include the first category, broadly defined. The second category technically contains lists of lists, but they are grouped by the fact that they have ambiguous nomenclature, not some property of the lists, so it seems like those don't really fit the scope of this article. The third category similarly contains a list of list articles, but it's really just a navigation aid for a single long list, not a categorization of distinct list articles. I would suggest that for borderline cases, we come down on the side of inclusion - so for example, [[List of horror films]] looks like a split-up list at first, but the "See also" contains lists of horror films. That can easily be re-organized under the new title [[Lists of horror films]] to be a proper list of lists. Thoughts? [[User:0x0077BE|<font style="color: #0077BE">0x0077BE</font>]] [<sup>[[User talk:0x0077BE|<font color="#0033BE">talk</font>]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:contributions/0x0077BE|<font color="#0033BE">contrib</font>]]</sub>] 04:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

== Why in mainspace? ==

As a [[WP:LISTS]] page useful. But how is it encyclopedic? I think it should be moved to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists/List of lists of lists]]. (also, there can be a hidden maintenance category for these pages). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 12:46, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
:I totally agree. This is very odd -- at least [[Wikipedia:List of list of lists]], surely. And the Wikiproject space makes even more sense, personally. [[User:Jwrosenzweig|Jwrosenzweig]] ([[User talk:Jwrosenzweig|talk]]) 00:13, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

== Requested move 09 December 2014 ==

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The result of the move request was: '''No consensus''' at this time. There have been a number of sub-proposals, however as written, there is no clear consensus on whether to move the page at all, yet alone where it should be moved to. --[[User:Mdann52|<span style="color:Green">'''Mdann'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mdann52|<span style="color:Red">'''52'''</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Mdann52|<span style="color:Maroon">''talk to me!''</span>]]</small> 15:45, 29 December 2014 (UTC) --[[User:Mdann52|<span style="color:Green">'''Mdann'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Mdann52|<span style="color:Red">'''52'''</span>]]<small>[[User talk:Mdann52|<span style="color:Maroon">''talk to me!''</span>]]</small> 15:45, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


The result of the move request was: '''Not moved''' [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 20:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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[[:List of lists of lists]] → {{no redirect|Lists of lists}} – In accordance with the [[WP:NCSAL|general title conventions for lists]], a majority of titles listed in [[List of lists of lists]] are of the format ‘Lists of X’, rather than ‘List of lists of X’. [[List of lists of lists]] itself, from my understanding, should not deviate from this standard (with ‘X’, in this case, being ‘lists’). Additionally, some may find the existing title to be confusing, because each one of its five words is either ‘List’, ‘lists’, or ‘of’. Reducing the title length by two words may ease this confusion. I thus propose the renaming of [[List of lists of lists]] to [[Lists of lists]]. –<span style="box-shadow: 0px 0px 12px red;border-radius:9em;padding:0 2px;background:#D00">[[User:Gluonz|<span style="color:#AFF">'''Gluonz'''</span>]]<sup>''' [[User talk:Gluonz|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Gluonz|contribs]]'''</sup></span> 17:37, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
[[:List of lists of lists]] → {{no redirect|Wikipedia:List of lists of lists}} – '''Move to WP namespace''' is the core of my proposal. This article has no encyclopedic meaning. It only gathers other articles (lists) for their structure, not by their content. Already these pages are listed in [[:Category:Lists of lists]], and nothing more is to be said about them indeed in mainspace. (Note: it might be reasonable to move this into a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists]] subpage. That is fine, as long as that sub-discussion does not prevent this primal move out of article space. The same can be said about any pagename (from "LoLoL") change). [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 20:53, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' "Lists of lists" makes it sound like it's about a general concept. The current title makes it clear that the page itself is a list. This is a solution looking for a problem. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 20:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
:The three deletion discussions for this page all ended in [[WP:SNOW]] keep decisions/withdrawn nominations, and there were arguments that it fulfills [[WP:LISTPURP]], as well as references to [[WP:NOTDUP]] ("It is neither improper nor uncommon to simultaneously have a category, a list, and a navigation template which all cover the same topic. These redundant systems of organizing information are considered to be complementary, not inappropriately duplicative"). This suggests that the mainspace is still the right location for the page, doesn't it? [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 21:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
::This is not a deletion proposal. It's a move request, and for namespace only. If you think there are relevant arguments in those earlier ''deletion'' discussions, please quote (not link) I suggest. ([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of lists of lists|1]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of lists of lists (2nd nomination)|2]], [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of lists of lists (3rd nomination)|3]]). [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 21:43, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''', the proposed title seems clear enough, is easier to understand, and already redirects here so is not an unusual search topic. As an aside, maybe we can shoehorn another mention of "list" into the first sentence ("This page is a list of lists of lists—a list of articles that are lists of other list articles".) just to set some kind of record. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 04:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I think the new title would confuse more people than the current one. We already have people adding lists of non-lists now, I think this would increase with the proposed new title. --[[User:Mfb|mfb]] ([[User talk:Mfb|talk]]) 00:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
:::My point was simply that if the article were inappropriate for article space, we would have expected opinions reflecting that in the deletion discussions. Instead we saw guideline-based arguments that this is an appropriate topic for mainspace. A move request from the mainspace to Wikipedia space is not technically a deletion proposal, but it would result in ''the removal of an article from the encyclopedia''. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 21:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ; there is a topic article that could be created for "lists of lists" as a concept, so it would be better if this was clear that this was a list article, and not a topic article -- [[Special:Contributions/65.92.247.66|65.92.247.66]] ([[User talk:65.92.247.66|talk]]) 07:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
::::Your interpretation, with extra steps added. No quote then? As for [[WP:LISTPURP]] you mentioned: ''all'' considerations there point to a ''topic'' (for category, navbox, list). No Reader of this encyclopedia enters in the search box "A list" &rarr; {{keypress|search}}. [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 22:01, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' The current title is confusing and sounds like a joke, and the proposed title is clearer and more [[WP:CONCISE]]. No one thinks It's about the "concept" of lists of lists, which I doubt is a notable topic. Does anyone think that about the subject of [[Lists of dictionaries]]? It's just an essay, but [[Wikipedia:Lists of lists#Naming]] says "Lists of X" is "recommended." --[[User:Jfhutson|Jfhutson]] ([[User talk:Jfhutson|talk]]) 19:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' index articles exist in articlespace not WPspace, so I see no reason to move this list of list of lists to WPspace either, as it provides an entry point for navigation into list articles -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.35.44|67.70.35.44]] ([[User talk:67.70.35.44|talk]]) 04:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
* '''Oppose'''. It contains some lists of lists, and it should contain them all. The slightly odd looking title is meaningful and causes no meaningful confusion. [[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 21:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
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:::A fine point, but of theoretical interest only IMO. Such an entry point serves no purpose for the reader AFAIK. (warning, [[wp:otherstuffexists]] ahead:) In content space, we don't need an entry point for "all navboxes", or "all disambiguation pages" either. As for categories, there is <s>[[:Category:All cateogires]]</s> (''oops'', I thought it existed; couldn't find it now), but that serves a structural issue -- proving that no category should be related to itself; the relationship is a content issue. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:35, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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*'''Support'''. I don't even ''know'' what the underlying policies and guidelines say, but I know something is broken when I see it. And having this in the Wikipedia article space is definitely broken. I would expect to find some Borges novel under this title, not a literal... list of lists of Wikipedia lists. [[User:No such user|No such user]] ([[User talk:No such user|talk]]) 12:39, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
== "[[:List of lists]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
*:And now that I've read all 3 XfD's I must say I'm amazed: Wikipedia's circular reasoning at its best. AfD#1: [[WP:ITSUSEFUL]]. Afd#2: [[WP:NOTAGAIN]]. Afd#3: [[WP:NOTAGAIN]]. [[User:No such user|No such user]] ([[User talk:No such user|talk]]) 12:45, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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* I have a novel proposal for this - '''move it to portal space, as a subpage of [[Portal:Contents/Lists]]'''. [[User:BD2412|<font style="background:gold">'''''bd2412'''''</font>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 04:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
The redirect <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_lists&redirect=no List of lists]</span> has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|redirects for discussion]] to determine whether its use and function meets the [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect guidelines]]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 17#List of lists}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> <span class="nowrap">– [[User:BrandonXLF|<span style="color:blue;">Brandon</span><span style="color:green;">XLF</span>]] ([[User talk:BrandonXLF|talk]])</span> 09:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
** There's a thought. Would we also move the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Index of]] indices into portalspace as well? -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.35.44|67.70.35.44]] ([[User talk:67.70.35.44|talk]]) 05:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
** I personally really like the idea of moving it into the portal space. It seems like a real outlier in the main namespace. I can't imagine that any amount of work on this article would ever make it a featured list, and that makes me feel like something is wrong with the article itself. It has no references and is acting as very little more than a category. [[User:0x0077BE|<span style="color: #0077BE;">0x0077BE</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:0x0077BE|<span color="#0033BE;">talk</span>]] · [[Special:contribs/0x0077BE|<span color="#0033BE;">contrib</span>]])</sup> 19:10, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' - Historically, we haven't moved list of list or Index pages out of mainspace, ''for the same reason we haven't moved disambiguation pages''. They become very hard to search for, and readers ''do'' want to find them. A new/separate namespace has been suggested before (for all these page types), but it always seemed like too much added complexity for minimal benefit (except preventing discussions like this). See [[Category_talk:Indexes_of_topics#RfC_on_indexes]] for more discussion, from 2012. HTH. [[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Except: this is not about index pages, disambiguation pages, not even ''list of lists'' pages. They are & can stay in ''content space''. It's about the third "list" (first in the title), that one has no topic (no search term). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 20:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
::::Ditto for [[List of decades]] and [[List of years]] and [[Lists of years by topic]]. I understand the argument, but moving them will cause more trouble than benefit:
::::They're widely linked navigational pages (both internally and externally), and if moved would warrant soft-redirects because of the cross-namespace target.
::::Links ''to'' the page(s) would then be covered by [[WP:SELFREF]], causing more complication.
::::It would start a precedent for moving these types of 'non-articles' into namespace-''x'', which would cause (increase) ongoing disagreement.
::::All for what benefit? ''How will it help readers?'' - The problems seem to heavily outweigh the benefit. [[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] ([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]]) 19:15, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::''How will it help readers?'' ? It removes non-content out of content space. I don't get what the links & redirect problem you point to. Of course, we are not responsible for external links (that would freeze every page into mainspace; no AfD or cross-namespace move could happen). And of course when this page is in wp-namespace, no article should link into there (the selfrefs you mention would be exceptions). About the "ditto" you mention: 1. A cheap nullifying, but equally valid reply to "otherstuffexists" is: "then that other stuff should go too" (but that is not proposed here). 2. At least, the examples you mention do have an encyclopedic topic. This list<sup>level-3</sup> has not. 3. "the page(s)" plural? is something I don't get. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 15:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support''' a move out of article space. "List of lists of lists" is not an encyclopedic concept, an index, or a DAB page and is two steps removed from actual lists (as elucidated by [[User:DePiep]] above). — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><font face="Georgia">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</font></span>]] 23:18, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' I think of this as a sort of index into list articles, thus my statement on the similarity with indices. -- [[Special:Contributions/67.70.35.44|67.70.35.44]] ([[User talk:67.70.35.44|talk]]) 06:27, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:::<small>(that was re BD2412, at 05:47, I assume -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 10:48, 14 December 2014 (UTC))</small>

*'''Oppose'''. The same arguments could be applied to all members of [[:Category:Lists of lists]]. The lists in the article namespace, the category system, and the portal system do overlap to some extent, but that doesn't make any of them ''unencyclopedic''. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 14:55, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
::A cheap, but equally valid reply to "otherstuffexists" is: "then that other stuff should go too" (but that is not proposed here).
:::Cheap, yes, but not valid at all. The point is, this has repercussions for a great many other articles. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 19:17, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
::::No it has not. We can conclude here on this page only. When arguments are applicable in other &mdash; re-use them over there. This is not an RfC (no wiki-wide enforcements). -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 19:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
::Anyway, the category you mention is only list level-2 "lists of lists", which is not proposed for change here. At least, [[Lists of A&M Records artists]] mentions a meaningful topic (search-worthy for the Reader). This page is level-3 (list<sup>3</sup> in the title). We don't have a "list of articles". We don't have to provide a "list of all disambiguation pages" as content. Because: that is not a Reader's entry for the encyclopedia. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 15:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Disagree. What you seem to be saying is, we don't have these other things (true), so we shouldn't have them (a very dubious step), so we shouldn't have this one either (another dubious step).
:::Or alternatively, can you provide any policy or guideline that discourages creation of this ''level-3'' apparatus? Or is that whole concept your own new proposal? [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 19:17, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
::::I <s>am not saying "we should not have them because we do not have them" at all; you are putting those two dubious steps in my mouth. Also, I am not required to prove anything about other pages here. Then, when you write "your own new proposal" you are taking your assumptions one step too far: I am not required to defend or explain your fantasy assumption. And to cut things short: my reply is already in the nomination, quite</s> in the beginning. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 17:38, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
:::::OK, that was not a helpful or clear reply so I struck. I'll never go into an "othersuff" distraction again. This is my reply: '''This page is not content'''. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 20:26, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
*'''Support'''—I think this is navelgazing. The LoLs themselves seem reasonable; it's pretty easy to see how [[Lists of Brazilian films]] is meaningful outside of Wikipedia: it's basically a TOC for a too-large [[List of Brazilian films]] article. Fine. But there isn't anything, other than Wikipedia itself, that makes this LoLoL interesting. What if we didn't split out those Brazilian films by decades, and just had one giant list? Then they wouldn't show up at all in this article. So whether or not something is included is purely determined by Wikipedia's structure and limitations: navelgazing. Unless the idea is that this is a list of ''everything'', but I don't think that is the idea and if it was then this is too awkward anyway. I think I'd say the same about the category, too, but I'm less sure that isn't useful for maintenance, etc. [[User:ErikHaugen|ErikHaugen]] <small>([[User talk:ErikHaugen|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/ErikHaugen|contribs]])</small> 17:21, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
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==[[List of ABC shows]] is a disambiguation page==
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure that [[List of ABC shows]] is a disambiguation page. Should it still be there? [[User:EMachine03|EMachine03]] ([[User talk:EMachine03|talk]]) 19:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
:Agreed. It shouldn't be here, and the page is miscategorized as a list.

== "Entertaining" article ==

[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/14/strangest-wikipedia-entries_n_6463488.html For your information]. [[User:Axl|<b style="color:#808000">Axl</b>]] <span style="color:#3CB371">¤</span> [[User talk:Axl|<small style="color:#808000">[Talk]</small>]] 13:10, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks! I've added a [[:Template:Press]] to the header. [[User:Pburka|Pburka]] ([[User talk:Pburka|talk]]) 02:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

==The Title (List of Lists of Lists) is Correct==
There seems to have been much confusion over the years and more recently regarding the title of this article. It can be a bit of a [[Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo]], but perhaps a quick illustration will settle things.
A page containing...
* Apricot (Armenia)
* Pomegranite (Azerbaijan)
* Jackfruit (Bangladesh)
:... is a list. Specifically a [[list of national fruits]]. A first derivative of regular articles, if you will.

A page containing...
* List of national flags
* [[List of national fruits]]
* List of national trees
:... is a list of lists. Specifically a [[list of national symbols|list of national symbols]]. A second derivative.

and a page containing...
* Lists of display resolutions
* Lists of disasters
* [[Lists of national symbols]]
:... is a [[List of lists of lists]]. A third derivative. This is what the article is.

:In some cases, the linked articles can actually make this page a list of lists of lists of lists, or fourth derivative (e.g. This Article > List of cities > List of cities in Central America > List of cities in Costa Rica).

== Requested move 17 February 2015 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved.''' [[User:Number 57|<font color="orange">Number</font>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<font color="green">5</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<font color="blue">7</font>]] 12:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

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[[:List of lists of lists]] → {{no redirect|Lists of lists}} – While a number of alternate titles for this page have been proposed and discussed over the years, looking through the above discussions, the name "Lists of lists" has only been mentioned in passing once or twice, and never given serious consideration itself. The current name requires a nontrivial cognitive leap to understand the page's scope ("it is a ''list'' that contains ''lists of lists''"), whereas the proposed name is simpler, more concise, and more obvious ("it contains lists of lists"; the first identification of "it is a list" is no longer necessary to properly understand the title). In addition, while I am not aware of any specific guideline recommending "Lists of" in favor of "List of lists of" for lists such as this, informal usage definitely seems to prefer the former: compare the [[Special:PrefixIndex/Lists of|pages starting with "Lists of"]] versus the [[Special:PrefixIndex/List of lists of|pages starting with "List of lists of"]]; while the former includes a large number of non-redirect pages across four pages of results, the latter contains only this and one other non-redirect page and far less than even a single page of results, even including redirects. Even broadening the latter report to [[Special:PrefixIndex/List of lists|"List of lists"]] only includes a handful more redirects and no additional non-redirect pages. <span class=nowrap>「[[User:Dinoguy1000|<span style=color:#00f>ディノ<span style=color:#080>奴]][[Special:Contributions/Dinoguy1000|<span style=color:#F90>千?!]]」<sup>[[Help:IJP|?]] · [[User talk:Dinoguy1000#top|☎ Dinoguy1000]]</sup></span> 07:16, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' I prefer the current title, it clearly indicates three level heirarchy -- [[Special:Contributions/70.51.200.101|70.51.200.101]] ([[User talk:70.51.200.101|talk]]) 06:27, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. The current title conveys the content, multi-level heirarchical list navigation, best. --[[User:SmokeyJoe|SmokeyJoe]] ([[User talk:SmokeyJoe|talk]]) 04:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
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Musical instruments

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Would something like list of guitars go under "music" or under "technology"? Orchastrattor (talk) 18:07, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neither, because it's not a List of lists of guitars. (However, if it were, it could go under both. There's no rule that each list of lists can only be in one place.) pburka (talk) 23:32, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should the list contain itself?

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I hit the undo button on someone removing the self reference because I thought that I would have somewhere I could explain why I was undoing it, but it just went through. In my opinion, as this is a list of lists of lists, it should contain all lists containing other lists; and as the page does contain lists, it would be incomplete without itself. Is there a mention in a style guide somewhere that you shouldn't link an article back to itself or something? Will Hendrix (talk) 04:38, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This has been discussed a lot of times in the talk page archives. Example: here. The argument in favor of including it is 1. it's technically correct. this page is a list, and everything listed on this page is also a list, so this page is a list of lists, so it belongs on this page. 2. there is some encyclopedic value in linking to recursion (last I checked it linked to russell's paradox but recursion is fine too). 3. it's fairly long standing consensus to include it. Arguments against including it were gut feeling / taste / WP:IDONTLIKEIT. It could make sense to argue that it's a bit silly and therefore takes away from the seriousness of this page... but this page is silly to begin with, so it's actually a net positive in my eyes. Another argument against including it is WP:SELFLINK which says it's generally not recommended, but obviously WP:IAR because this page is clearly a special case (I can't think of any other page that rightly ought to link to itself). Leijurv (talk) 05:51, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, this page is purely for navigation. It only documents list of lists that exist on Wikipedia, thus its soul purpose is only to help in one's navigation of this website. To this end, documenting this article in itself is pointless and should be removed. Loytra (talk) 10:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think this page is pretty impractical for navigation. This page is a curiosity, a bit of silliness. I can't think of any practical reason why one would want to see a list of all pages that are two levels deep of lists. Even if you had such a reason, this page does count as a list of lists :) Leijurv (talk) 19:12, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think we just need a list of lists of lists of lists. That should solve it. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:42, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
List of lists of lists of lists was salted until recently haha Leijurv (talk) 22:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The current list is getting too long to navigate comfortably so it seems inevitable. And even higher? Maybe in the next age. This would seem absurd, and these lists themselves aren't encyclopaedic but arbitrary categories, so I think technically it shouldn't fall into the same remit as the other Wikipedia rules. Lightbloom (talk) 22:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There is actually a potential practical argument here:
Let's say I am looking for some kind of overview about interesting topics related to Japan, then, using Ctrl-F "Japan" in this article is a decent option. More generally, this implies that splitting this article into smaller "Lists of Lists"-articles, one per potentially interesting high-level topic (like "Japan"), and then making one "Lists of Lists of Lists" article which lists all those "Lists of Lists"-articles, has some merit.
But... yeah, it's quite silly, but perhaps still worth a consideration. 2001:A61:2A48:B101:BCA9:1D1A:4901:401 (talk) 19:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
lol 2603:6011:9600:52C0:51F3:5E1B:CF43:D1CE (talk) 02:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List to add under "Medicine"

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A list of diseases / disorders could be added under "Medicine" easily since you already have such lists in Wikipedia. 2600:1700:7804:80:2E36:1C02:BDDE:5605 (talk) 06:33, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But is there a list of lists of diseases? —Tamfang (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 27 March 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved * Pppery * it has begun... 20:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]


List of lists of listsLists of lists – In accordance with the general title conventions for lists, a majority of titles listed in List of lists of lists are of the format ‘Lists of X’, rather than ‘List of lists of X’. List of lists of lists itself, from my understanding, should not deviate from this standard (with ‘X’, in this case, being ‘lists’). Additionally, some may find the existing title to be confusing, because each one of its five words is either ‘List’, ‘lists’, or ‘of’. Reducing the title length by two words may ease this confusion. I thus propose the renaming of List of lists of lists to Lists of lists. –Gluonz talk contribs 17:37, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose "Lists of lists" makes it sound like it's about a general concept. The current title makes it clear that the page itself is a list. This is a solution looking for a problem. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 20:53, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the proposed title seems clear enough, is easier to understand, and already redirects here so is not an unusual search topic. As an aside, maybe we can shoehorn another mention of "list" into the first sentence ("This page is a list of lists of lists—a list of articles that are lists of other list articles".) just to set some kind of record. Randy Kryn (talk) 04:10, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think the new title would confuse more people than the current one. We already have people adding lists of non-lists now, I think this would increase with the proposed new title. --mfb (talk) 00:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ; there is a topic article that could be created for "lists of lists" as a concept, so it would be better if this was clear that this was a list article, and not a topic article -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 07:59, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The current title is confusing and sounds like a joke, and the proposed title is clearer and more WP:CONCISE. No one thinks It's about the "concept" of lists of lists, which I doubt is a notable topic. Does anyone think that about the subject of Lists of dictionaries? It's just an essay, but Wikipedia:Lists of lists#Naming says "Lists of X" is "recommended." --Jfhutson (talk) 19:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It contains some lists of lists, and it should contain them all. The slightly odd looking title is meaningful and causes no meaningful confusion. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The redirect List of lists has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 17 § List of lists until a consensus is reached. BrandonXLF (talk) 09:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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