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Please update Kaala movie collections , Refer the below links

unsigned comment added by 180.151.49.206 (talk) 09:00, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: What sort of statement are you asking us to make about Kaala's gross? Also, you're not asking for the pre-release income to be included in box office receipts, are you? Because box office receipts = money made at the box office, not money made pre-selling satellite rights Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:52, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

yes please update only box office records,

https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/regional-cinema/story/rajinikanth-kaala-box-office-collection-day-5-becomes-second-highest-grosser-of-2018-1258030-2018-06-12 http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/tamil/kaala-box-office-rajinikanth-film-crosses-rs-100-crore-mark-5214112/ https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/kaala-opening-weekend-box-office-collection-rajinikanth-starrer-garners-rs-114-cr-worldwide-in-four-days-4506797.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.151.49.206 (talk • contribs) 08:16, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: You've added an additional 3 references, which say different things. Even if we went by the highest gross of 114 crore worldwide, that wouldn't put Kaala onto the list in this article. It would have to gross 149 crore in ticket sales to move Theri off the list. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:37, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]


Kaala latest collection is 184.35 crores please update http://bollywoodbreakfast.com/kaala-13th-day-box-office-collection-worldwide/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.151.49.206 (talk) 09:32, 20 June 2018‎ (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. — JJMC89 (T·C) 18:02, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bahubali's updated box office collection

Please refer to the below link of International Business Times stating the top five highest grossing Tamil movies and reflect any changes accordingly. https://www.ibtimes.co.in/vijays-mersal-box-office-collection-stands-next-only-enthiran-baahubali-2-this-region-758102 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.209.142.81 (talk) 16:16, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2018

Vivegam - Tamil Movie - Box Office Above 160 Crores - Source : India Today - https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/regional-cinema/story/vivegam-box-office-collection-ajith-kumar-kajal-aggarwal-1041594-2017-09-10

}} SankarStark (talk) 19:52, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Toilet ek Prem Katha should be in top 25 highest grossing Indian films

While toilet ek Prem Katha wiki page shows it has grossed more than 300cr. Then, why it's not placed in top 25 highest grossing indian films. It should firstly be ranked in top 25 then it should be ranked above Raees. Vikram jha18 (talk) 04:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes i agreed Amtpatel01 (talk) 06:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aamir Khan and Salman Khan Should Be Mentioned in the Introduction section of Global gross figures

In the List of 25 Movies Salman Khan and Aamir Khan have the most Movies. Salman Khan has 6 and Aamir Khan Has 5 Of which 4 Aamir Khan Movies are in the top 10 and 3 Salman Khan Movies are in the Top. The Two Actors definitely deserve a special mention in the introductions of the Section Global gross figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Birsanagarwala (talk • contribs) 09:32, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done The above user has been traveling article-to-article adding bolded text calling Aamir Khan the "World's Biggest Superstar".[1] There's obviously a promotional agenda here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:23, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Baahubali is not bilingual movie

Baahubali is a pure telugu movie which is dubbed into other languages. Please don't include the movie in Tamil language category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjchandra (talk • contribs) 15:58, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Rjchandra: According to our mainstream sources,[2][3] the film was shot simultaneously in Telugu and Tamil. Any change to the contrary would have to be supported with solid references, not your personal assertions. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:21, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Highest-grossing Opening Weekends

I suggest a new section for the Opening Weekend Gross. I have made up a list of 20 films so far. For Hindi films which had a three day opening weekend, I have taken the data from Box Office India[4] and the rest are from individual reports.


Rank Film Opening Weekend Gross Language Year Source(s)
1 Baahubali 2: The Conclusion ₹540 crore (US$65 million) Telugu
Tamil 		2017 [1]
2 Sultan ₹328 crore (US$39 million) Hindi 2016 [2]
3 Kabali ₹211.25 crore (US$25 million) Tamil 2016 [3]
4 Sanju ₹201.99 crore (US$24 million) Hindi 2018 [4]
5 Dangal ₹198.64 crore (US$24 million) Hindi 2016 [5]
6 Padmaavat ₹196.84 crore (US$24 million) Hindi 2018 [6]
7 Dhoom 3 ₹194.3 crore (US$23 million) Hindi 2013 [5]
8 Tiger Zinda Hai ₹189 crore (US$23 million) Hindi 2017 [5]
9 Bajrangi Bhaijaan ₹187.24 crore (US$22 million) Hindi 2015 [5]
10 Prem Ratan Dhan Payo ₹185.15 crore (US$22 million) Hindi 2015 [5]
11 Race 3 ₹181.32 crore (US$22 million) Hindi 2018 [2]
12 PK ₹175.78 crore (US$21 million) Hindi 2014 [5]
13 Happy New Year ₹174.57 crore (US$21 million) Hindi 2014 [5]
14 Baahubali: The Beginning ₹169 crore (US$20 million) Telugu
Tamil 		2015 [7]
15 Chennai Express ₹159.54 crore (US$19 million) Hindi 2013 [5]
16 Dilwale ₹144.83 crore (US$17 million) Hindi 2015 [5]
17 Mersal ₹140 crore (US$17 million) Tamil 2017 [8]
18 I ₹135 crore (US$16 million) Tamil 2015 [9]
19 Golmaal Again ₹134.48 crore (US$16 million) Hindi 2017 [5]
20 Raees ₹128.14 crore (US$15 million) Hindi 2017 [5] 
~Rajan51(talk) 14:53, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Baahubali 2 box office collection day 3: With Rs 540 crore worldwide collection, the age of SS Rajamouli is here". The Indian Express. 1 May 2017. Archived from the original on 30 April 2017. Retrieved 1 May 2017. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
  2. ^ a b "Race 3 total worldwide box office collection: Salman Khan's film grosses Rs 180 crore in 3 days". IBTimes. 19 June 2018.
  3. ^ "'Kabali' 3rd day box office collection: Rajinikanth's flick grosses over Rs. 200 crore worldwide in first weekend". IBTimes. 25 July 2016.
  4. ^ "Sanju box office collection: Ranbir Kapoor film crosses Rs 200 crore gross mark worldwide in 3 days". IBTime. 3 July 2018. Retrieved 6 July 2018.
  5. ^ a b c d e f g h i j k "TOP WORLDWIDE FIRST WEEKEND ALL TIME". Box Office India. 22 December 2014.
  6. ^ "Box Office: Worldwide collections and day wise break up of Padmaavat". Bollywood Hungama. Retrieved 28 January 2018.
  7. ^ "'Baahubali' (Bahubali) 1st Weekend Collection at Box Office: Business of Rajamouli's Film Crosses ₹165 Cr in 3 Days". IBTimes. 4 May 2017.
  8. ^ "Mersal 5-day box office collection: Vijay's film racing towards Rs 150 crore mark". IBTimes. 23 October 2017.
  9. ^ "'I' ('Ai') 5-Day Box Office Collections (Opening Weekend): Vikram-Amy Starrer Grosses over ₹135 crore Worldwide". IBTimes. 19 January 2015.

Malayalam film

Great father entered in 50 crore Nabhan nbn (talk) 05:14, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Director and Studio names

Do the names of the directors and studios have to be mentioned in the lists. If yes, why? ~Rajan51(talk) 7:32, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

There's no mandate, but there's also no prohibition. The tables have been formatted this way for several years. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:14, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, those two columns seem to occupy a lot of space and can be removed if they are not very important. I know that they have been there for a long time, but that alone cannot justify their presence there. ~Rajan51(talk) 16:31, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The page costs the same whether the director and studio are there or not, so "occupy a lot of space" can't alone justify their removal. It's not like we're going to use that freed-up space for ads or something. I would imagine someone might find it interesting to see which studios/directors appear the most in the various tables, but I don't presently have a strong opinion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Since it occupies more space, removing them will make it easier for Mobile phone viewers to view the entire table. ~Rajan51(talk) 3:57, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
Do we normally remove content to make it easier for mobile phone viewers? That's not actually something I've ever heard of. It would seem that if content is useful for all, it's also useful for mobile viewers. Where else would they get this information? They'd have to search each article independently and take notes? Doesn't that actually seem like more of a hassle? Again, I don't presently have a strong opinion, but I feel it's my obligation to present counter-arguments to "it's taking up space". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:40, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, it wouldn't bother me much whether the director/studio names were kept or removed. I'm fine either way. Maestro2016 (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dangal's China Gross

The given source for Dangal's China gross does not seem to work. So, a new source is needed. Maybe this can be used. ~Rajan51(talk) 5:36, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Or a better way would be to get the Chinese gross in CN¥ and convert it to INR. As per this report from EntGroup, Dangal(released as Wrestle! Father) grossed CN¥1.29912 billion in China(equivalent to ₹1,218.46 crore[5]) ~Rajan51(talk) 7:29, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Generally speaking, I really question Forbes contributor Rob Cain's claims. It's totally unclear what makes this guy some kind of savant for Indian film financials, especially when he's the only guy making the more grandiose claims that the rest of the industry doesn't seem comfortable to report when the chips are down. My skepticism is heightened when Forbes itself bears a disclaimer "Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own", which is something other experienced editors have noted. Is he just a random blogger?
Kabali (July 2016 release) is one of my favorite examples of financial hype gone awry for a film. Producers (and shitty reporting from Indian Express. Financial Express, and the rest of Express Group) were claiming that the film had a box office gross of ₹600+ crore, even though it was well documented that the film had pre-release transactions of satellite and music rights sales totaling about 200 crore, which would have brought the box office figures down to (at most) ₹400 crore. Genuine skepticism from Firstpost and IBT lowered these figures to about 300 crore early on. In 2017, long after the rush died down, IBT put their estimated gross total for Kabali at about ₹286 crore, yet Forbes Contributor Rob Cain, whose opinions are his own, pushed an almost 500 crore figure as his authoritative take on the mess of financial information in May 2017, which we kind of have to report to this day, since as a group we haven't yet dug into whether or not we think this guy knows what he's talking about. I think we should start questioning him. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 08:32, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure whether his claims are correct. But one thing that concerns me is how the worldwide box office grosses of Dangal and Baahubali 2 have been calculated here. By using this method, we are increasing the error rates of the grosses. Besides, Danagl's grosses in India, Taiwan, Hong Kong and "Other Territories" have been obtained from Rob Cain's article. There was a report on IBT which stated that Dangal's global gross was ₹1979.12 crore by June 2018. ~Rajan51(talk) 9:24, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Exactly. I recall the time when this guy reported that Baahubali 2 crossed ₹1725 crore while 3 months later International Business Times reported a lower figure (remember, this is after the film had a 3 month long run). Great disparity of figures. He was also the first to claim Dangal crossed ₹2000 crore. The rest of the Indian media took it up, and then the producers arrived with a clarification stating this was not the case. Interestingly, the person has a history of Twitter fights with Box Office India (don't ask) and this scathing article almost seems to be pointing towards him. 2.51.22.253 (talk) 17:46, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, interesting. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's odd. Not sure what happened to the link, but EntGroup was reporting $216 million in China last I checked. Now that the link is gone down though, you could take the CNY gross and convert it according to 2017 exchange rates. Using the average 2017 OFX exchange rates of 6.7568 CNY/USD and 65.11 INR/USD, ¥1299.12 million converts to $192.3 million and ₹1,252 crore. Oddly, OFX was previously reporting the Chinese exchange rate as about 6.4 CNY/USD average for 2017, which resulted in a converted gross of over 1300 crore, but with the updated exchange rate of 6.7568 CNY/USD, the converted gross now comes to 1252 crore. As for worldwide gross, as mentioned in the article, most sources give the total as over 2000 crore, with some going up to 2100-2200 crore (including IB Times which reported 2100 crore in February 2018). Either way, doing the math, the worldwide total comes up to around 2000-2100 crore. Maestro2016 (talk) 21:01, 7 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But converting the gross to INR directly from CNY would give a lower error rate than converting it to USD from CNY and then converting it to INR from USD. So I suggest direct conversion.
Besides that report from IBT in February looks like they have taken all the values from Wikipedia. ~Rajan51(talk) 2:50, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
And also, as per the same report from EntGroup, Secret Superstar grossed CN¥746.76 million in China, which is roughly equivalent to ₹750 crore.[6]. ~Rajan51(talk) 4:41, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
OFX doesn't have a direct exchange rate from CNY to INR. Converting CNY-USD then USD-INR is pretty much the same thing as converting CNY-INR. Also, the exchange site you're using seems to only give daily exchange rates, rather than monthly or annual averages (which is what OFX does), so I think OFX is a better source to use. As for Secret Superstar, we already have a direct USD figure from EntGroup, so a CNY conversion isn't necessary in this case. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:18, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OFX doesn't have to be our only source for yearly exchange rates. As per this source, the average exchange rate for CNY-INR was ₹9.638 per CN¥ for 2017. In this case, that gives ₹1,252.09 crore which is nearly close to the value you got from double conversion, but direct conversion is still a more reliable method for converting gross to INR. Besides, I don't trust the values given by EntGroup in USD. For example, the gross that they had given for Dangal was $216 million(₹1,400 crore), which is higher than what was given by many other sources[7] [8][9][10][11] and the one you obtained from CNY. And if you try converting Secret Superstar's CN¥746.76 million in China using the average exchange rate for the first three months of 2018, you'll get ₹756.08 crore.[12] ~Rajan51(talk) 12:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is that the currency exchange rate seems to change. A few months ago, the CNY-USD average for 2017 was 6.4 CNY/USD, which resulted in 1300-something crore. But in the last few months, the CNY-USD average for 2017 suddenly changed to over 6.7 CNY/USD, which now lowers Dangal's China gross down to 1252 crore. It seems the issues surrounding China gross figures is that the currency exchange rates are not consistent. In Superstar's case, we could give an average gross between EntGroup's $124M conversion (810cr) and the manual conversion you gave above (¥746.76M to 756.08cr). Maestro2016 (talk) 14:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If you take up Entgroup's individual reports of Secret Superstar(CNY746.76 million and US$124.4 million) and Dangal(CNY1,299.12 million and US$216 million), you fill find that in both cases the conversion rate that they have used is very close to 6 CNY/USD which is a rate that hasn't been seen since 2014. So I think that they're using the wrong conversion rate. This is not limited to Indian films alone, I have even seen Entgroup give such singificantly inaccurate conversions for Hollywood films. So I think it will be better to obtain the gross in INR from their CNY figures. ~Rajan51(talk) 16:20, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that EntGroup's weekly charts generally give a higher gross than the daily charts (Secret Superstar was $117 million on its last daily chart appearance, yet $124 million on its last weekly chart appearance). From what I understand about the China box office, there are two different gross figures, with TP (ticketing prices) and without TP. So the higher gross figures given on EntGroup's weekly charts may be with TP and the lower figures on their daily charts may be without TP. It seems with-TP and without-TP figures appear to be China's equivalent of India's gross and nett figures. Maestro2016 (talk) 21:44, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To avoid this problem, we can convert directly from CNY to INR, which will also give a more accurate result. ~Rajan51(talk) 2:42 9 July 2018 (UTC)
The CNY amount given is usually the without-TP amount, which is nearly the same as the without-TP amount in USD that EntGroup gives on its daily charts (i.e. $196M for Dangal and $117M for Superstar). If EntGroup gives the USD amount, then the CNY amount isn't necessary. The secondary currency for this article is USD, so USD figures should be prioritized over CNY figures. For Dangal, the article currently uses its without-TP amount (since the link for its with-TP amount is now broken). In Superstar's case, the issue is whether to use its higher with-TP amount ($124M) or lower without-TP amount ($117M). Maestro2016 (talk) 08:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
But how do we know that there are two different gross figures and if the CNY gross is the lower one? I think I'll be able to understand better if you cite a reliable source, which has some details about this. Besides, as per this report from Entgroup, Secret Superstar's total gross is $106 million, and it is the same week as the other report being currently used. The box office gross in USD for all films seems to have decreased. They might have switched to proper exchange rates. ~Rajan51(talk) 8:48 9 July 2018 (UTC)
A few possible reasons for why EntGroup has recently lowered the weekly gross for older films: The exchange rate for the past has changed and they have updated to reflect this (like I mentioned earlier about how the CNY/USD average for 2017 recently changed from 6.4 to 6.7), are applying the current exchange rate instead of an older exchange rate (which wouldn't be correct), or changed the weekly charts to show with-TP gross instead of without-TP gross (which I can't confirm). Either way, I think the best thing to do would to simply give a range of values and then give an average figure. Maestro2016 (talk) 09:20, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can you give a reference that explains this with and without-TP gross? That would make it easier to understand what it is exactly and why it is done. ~Rajan51(talk) 10:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find a reliable source for it at the moment, so can't confirm if that's the reason. Either way, after thinking about it, it might be best to go with the $118M figure given on EntGroup's daily charts, which is nearly the same as what you'd get from converting the CNY figure. Maestro2016 (talk) 12:35, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, converting it using the exchange rate at the time of release would give a more accurate result than using the 2017 rate. And it would be better to give the gross in CNY in the note for both Dangal and Secret Superstar. ~Rajan51(talk) 1:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Not sure if fxtop is a reliable/notable source. It would be better to stick with OFX for currency conversions. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:05, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Valid Reference?

Hi there, I was wondering if Best of the Year is reliable for box office numbers. For example, for Kannada films, it cites Raajakumara for grossing 75 cr, and Mr and Mrs Ramachari at 52 cr., and Aptharakshaka at 40 cr. This would obviously change some of the Kannada films listed currently, and looking at their "About us" section, they seem legitimate. However, I wanted some confirmation on whether or not they can be a valid resource. Thanks. Shrev64 (talk) 06:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Shrev64: Who are they, and what about them looks "legitimate", apart from their claim that they are "a leading Bollywood News portal"? That's pretty much what all cookie-cutter news portals/blogs claim. We only use sources that have established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy. If you've never heard of them, and I've never heard of them, and none of our other regular editors have heard of them, then we probably shouldn't use them. Please see WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources for a general list of sites that are, and are not, generally considered reliable in the context of Indian entertainment articles. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thank you, I couldn't find that link earlier so I'm glad you provided it to me. Have a nice day. Shrev64 (talk) 08:19, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&oldid=849642190

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