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Sir Good Evening Please add starer surya's 24 tamil moive in the list of Tamil films

|- | 24 | 2016 | Vikram Kumar | 2D Entertainment

Kindly Request for add tamil movie starre surya 24 moive the movie collected world wide 150 crores this is the proof website: http://www.onlookersmedia.in/collection-report/suriya-24-collection-report-28-days http://gabbarboxofficecollection.com/2016/suriya-24-box-office-collection-3rd-day-sunday-1st-weekend-total-collection.html Samsuddeen (talk) 14:38, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Samsuddeen, we don't use blogs or other user-generated sources as references. See WP:UGC and prior explanations on this talk page. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:55, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sure Add this 24 movie 150crores

Kasim999 (talk) 13:54, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Theri has grossed around 175 Crores Worldwide in the first 50 days of its run. Is this a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kesh505 (talk • contribs) 23:08, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Last year, there was a big hue and cry in wikipedia discussion when Baahublai was listed as a Tamil movie (to be specific Kollywood industry) although the production house is based in Hyderabad and the director-hero are popular only with Telugu audience (the main actresses are known in both Telugu and Tamil movie industries, however). The film was made in Tamil too and hence Baahubali was given a shared status of Tamil and Telugu by moderators. But as many pointed out this idea of just making a movie in a language does not necessarily mean the movie belongs to that specific movie industry. One must take into account various other factors like - production house location, director, actor etc. The moderators who are usually ignorant of the nuances of differences about Indian movie industries, stick to some notions that may be sensible elsewhere, but not in India where a director-actor association with a specific movie industry is pretty strong. During the last year's discussion, one of the commentators who insisted on Baahubali being only a Telugu film (or to be specific Tollywood industry), predicted that Baahubali would not be nominated for any award in Tamil. Lo and behold, his/her prediction came true: Baahubali has not been represented at all in Tamil Filmfare nomination for 2016. Of course the argument would be given that perhaps Baahubali was not worth for any award in Tamil movie industry - but I think a better argument is they didn't even consider it to be a Tamil film to begin with. So if Filmfare, which is officially the "Oscars" for India, along with most of the Indian audience who have good knowledge of Indian movie industry rightfully treat Baahubali as only Telugu film, why do moderators here think differently? I am surprised that someone can be a moderator on wikipedia without much understanding of the field upon which they are moderating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.147.191.11 (talk) 13:37, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus has already been reached on this issue, and the decision was arrived at by regular editors, not by "moderators". You can thank the dishonest editors who resorted to antics like sockpuppetry for polluting the conversation with their petulant behavior. Nowhere else but in Indian cinema articles do we find this drive to attribute a film to an ethnic industry rather than uncontroversially indicating the languages the film was recorded in. Tollywood is clearly indicated in the main article. This list article is focused on the highest grossing films of India organized by language, not by ethnic film industry. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Agreed. It was a many month long lengthy discussion with every possible conceivable angle discussed and nothing new here has been presented. Everyone else has moved on as frankly no one should care. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Theri Box office Collection:

http://idailytimes.com/vijays-theri-collects-rs-250cr-worldwide-box-office-update.html

2003:80:C514:4501:619D:2679:2B9:47ED (talk) 07:09, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done st170e^talk 13:09, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that List of highest-grossing Indian films in overseas markets be merged into List of highest-grossing Indian films. We don't need a separate page just for overseas figures. - Managerarc™ ^talk 20:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Managerarc I don't think we need to keep a unique tally of grosses domestically vs. grosses internationally. Maybe discussing whether the overseas article should be deleted is in order. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb: Multiple reliable sources, newspapers etc do report domestic and overseas figures separately. I don't see a valid reason to completely remove it. Maybe splitting the worldwide gross in the global gross section into overseas and domestic would be a better option?- Managerarc™ ^talk 18:02, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Managerarc, what's the parallel example at Wikipedia for Western films? This just feels like we're treating Indian films like a special snowflake instead of having Indian film articles adhere to common community editing practices. This is especially problematic because of how prone Indian film financials are to fudging, incomplete data, vandalism and other forms of corruption. I'm very reluctant to endorse yet another avenue for paid sock rings to deliver dubious information of questionable academic value. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merging is appropriate. A totally unnecessary list. See the List of highest-grossing films (FL), gross when adjusted for inflation, films by year, franchise films are all listed in that single page. Likewise, the List of highest-grossing Indian films in overseas markets is not an independent topic, and List of highest-grossing Indian films shows worldwide gross, not the domestic. --Charles Turing (talk) 11:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Keeping another article for this is totally unnecessary. Karyasuman (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In this edit I reverted Honor bee's resubmission of a 75 crore total for Mungaru Male. Filmibeat is not considered a reliable source by WP:ICTF. Mybangalore.com looks like a blog to me, and thus would be unsuitable per WP:UGC. The final reference, dnaindia.com, attributes the information to the film's lead actor, which would mean that we're using a primary source for controversial information. A primary source would absolutely have a reason to fudge the financial numbers of a film, for instance he might inflate it to make it more of an attractive spectacle for potential viewers, or he might deflate it to reduce the film's entertainment tax liability, or an actor might inflate it to make himself more marketable as an actor. There are all sorts of reasons why it is a bad idea to use a primary source for controversial data. Oh, and the information was also previously submitted by a disruptive troll who is not welcome to edit at Wikipedia, which should raise some questions about motive and appropriateness of the submission. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Moot point. Not surprisingly, Honor bee was a sock of Nagendra NJ, a user who is not welcome to edit at Wikipedia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

115.112.71.222 (talk) 14:06, 21 July 2016 (UTC) Vedalam Movie of Ajith 56 Director Siva Mass Opening in TamilNadu 15.5 Crores in First Day.[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Also any change would require you to provide reliable sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The producer uttered some words in the media about the Kabali collections as Rs 250 crores in Day 1, which is highly impossible according to number of screens, occupancy rate and ticket rates. It seems to be a marketing gimmick to attract more people to the cinema halls. The reference given for the Kabali collections http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/rajinikanths-kabali-smashes-all-box-office-records-earns-rs-250-crore-in-india-on-first-day/articleshow/53354457.cms itself contradicts in another reference by showing Day 1 collection as over 40 crores http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/rajinikanths-kabali-smashes-all-box-office-records-collects-over-rs-40-crore/articleshow/53347794.cms. So, please update the Kabali collections according to a consistent reference source like as given in http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kabali-rajinikanth-second-day-box-office-collection-sultan-vedalam-review/1/722537.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.83.78 (talk) 07:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

it had collected nearly 90 crore on first day

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-box-office-collection-rajinikanth-starrer-performs-well-2nd-day-687625#yiEzDzEOeZv9dKa1.97 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D6FE:105F:CC1F:3209:9CC4 (talk) 16:32, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali earth shattering opening: 200 crore in just 3 day,

please add superstars Kabli in Tamil movie list

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-3-day-box-office-collection-rajinikanth-starrer-grosses-over-rs-200-crore-worldwide-687728 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:7C5E:F40E:23AE:5190 (talk) 08:21, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali Update: 210 crore worldwide over the weekend

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-box-office-collection-rajinis-film-fails-surpass-bahubali-1st-weekend-record-beats-687768 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:7C5E:F40E:23AE:5190 (talk) 09:39, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Koimoi is not considered a reliable source per WP:ICTF, yet many of the film grosses in this article are supported by Koimoi as a reference.[1] Is this bugging anyone? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• That's the least concerning thing for me but I agree with their removal. It would be helpful if the Indian film task force agreed on removing it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

^[1]

Sgoli123 (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - You didn't request anything. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali has only grossed 200 crore as per the Indian Express Article. the other 200 crore is the business done before the movie release. So, it should be changed to 200 crore from 400 crore

VigneshwaranShanmugam (talk) 19:10, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done Reverted in this edit. For anyone else who's curious, VigneshwaranShanmugam is referring to this reference, which says, "the Rajinikanth-starrer has earned about Rs 400 crore already. While Rs 200 crore is the box office collection, the film earned Rs 200 crore before release with sale of music rights etc." I imagine the trades will botch things and we will see the 400crore+ figure cited again and again. We're not here to track every dollar the film traded, and music rights sales should not be reflected in box office gross. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lalithsmash (talk) 19:41, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Blank request — JJMC89 (T·C) 19:57, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dasavathaaram Tamil movies - 200 Crore collection economic times.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/business-of-bollywood/a-rendezevous-with-kamal-haasan/articleshow/4357064.cms

Movie Wiki Link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dasavathaaram

VigneshwaranShanmugam (talk) 20:15, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Contradicted by this reference. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:45, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

kabali has grossed over 400 crores and it has to be changed http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/rajinikanth-kabali-day-4-box-office-collections-radhika-apte-tamil-movie-2934930/

Njj55 (talk) 07:47, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: See further up on the page. Short story: 400 crore figure is not the box office gross, it represents box office + other revenue streams prior to the film's release. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali Update:

425 crore

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-4th-day-box-office-collection-rajinis-film-smashes-fastest-fifty-beats-ajiths-687871 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:343C:F077:BF1E:3F55 (talk) 07:52, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - The scope of this article is box office grosses. Wikipedia is not an accounting firm, so it's not our job to tally up all the money made from Kabali's myriad revenue streams. Just box. If the box office gross reaches 425 crore, then you can come back to request a change. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:53, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali 4 days collections: 200 crores

http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/rajinikanth-kabali-day-4-box-office-collections-radhika-apte-tamil-movie-2934930/

The current article that was used as source says kabali has collected 250 crores in 1 day, which has been refuted by other magazines and was informed that was not possible. Please change the collection from 250 crore to 200 crore

VigneshwaranShanmugam (talk) 15:38, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: VigneshwaranShanmugam, you need to substantiate your statement that the 250 crore value asserted by this typically reliable source has been refuted as impossible. Surely we can't just take your word for it. Please bring those references to this talk page and start a discussion on how the content should be presented in the article. Please do not open another edit request until consensus has been reached. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update Kabali Box office collection: 300 crore till now

http://www.indiaglitz.com/kabali-beat-enthiran-collection-tamil-news-163921.html

If you dont understand tamil, please translate the sentences in English, especially the last sentense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:743F:D366:1B14:2B8E (talk) 07:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - I'm not comfortable using IndiaGlitz as a reference. Also, the Google translation of the last sentence is "Websites and social web users when giving negative reviews of some of the film's box office has been less successful is Rs 300 crore towards the goal." It is unclear what that means. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

220.227.74.73 (talk) 12:47, 27 July 2016 (UTC) Why is thalaiva not added to the list despite grossing more(145 crores) than mankatha(130 Crores) http://www.metromasti.com/kollywood/news/Thalaivaa-worldwide-total-collections-T halaiva-box-office-update/30866[reply]

Not done for now: A more reliable source is needed to change the statistics st170e^talk 19:21, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2nd request

Update Kabali Box office collection: 300 crore till now

http://www.indiaglitz.com/kabali-beat-enthiran-collection-tamil-news-163921.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D656:A491:A206:E2BB:47B (talk) 19:47, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to make a second request, you can wait until a volunteer decides to make the change. Wikipedia has no deadline. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:50, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali box office entered into 400 crore club Gunasekaran710 (talk) 08:21, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gunasekaran710 No it didn't. You're confusing their pre-release income with box office income. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali 326 crore

http://behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-cinema-news-16/rajinikanths-kabali-has-collected-326-crores-in-6-days-says-thanu.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D61F:595B:28D0:9908:8D41 (talk) 18:02, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - The 326 crore figure is claimed by the producer. Producers, actors, directors, distributors all constitute primary sources. A producer would have every reason to inflate or deflate financial figures to serve his personal gain. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

220.227.74.73 (talk) 05:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC) Update Kabali's Gross. Seems Like the Admin of this page are concerned only about bollywood movies,in that case split this page and make a separate article only for hindi movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.74.73 (talk • contribs) [reply]

Not done: as you have not made a specific request in the form "Please replace XX with YY" or "Please add ZZ between PP and QQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the volunteers at this page aren't interested in updating Kabali's gross every six hours, and the constant requests are only cluttering the talk page, making it more difficult to discern which is the most useful data. Wikipedia does not have a deadline, so we're not in any hurry, and you shouldn't be either. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali Update to 326 crore

http://behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-cinema-news-16/producer-thanu-asks-kabali-director-paranjith-to-do-another-film-for-v-creations.html

http://www.indiaglitz.com/kalaipuli-s-thanu-says-rajinikanth-radhika-apte-kabali-collected-rs-320-crores-in-six-days-tamil-news-164085.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:C976:6AE5:869C:25F7 (talk) 09:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - The 326 crore figure is claimed by the producer. Producers, actors, directors, distributors all constitute primary sources. A producer would have every reason to inflate or deflate financial figures to serve his personal gain. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali 335 crore, and please put it into the Top 15 of all time.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-7-days-box-office-collection-rajinikanths-film-ends-high-note-first-week-688236 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:C976:6AE5:869C:25F7 (talk) 09:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - Source says "The early prediction says that the movie has raked in over Rs. 335 crore." Predictions are guesses. The source also attributes the 320 crore figure to the producer, which would constitute a primary source. Producers have a vested interest in fudging financial data. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

117.241.163.243 (talk) 09:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_On_Jatta pls change to punjabi movie history its 3rd numbers movie

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 09:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Given the aggressive attempts to make this into a live action box office results with poor sources, I've raised protection here. I advise the people coming here to spend more than a minute and actually look for a reliable source and discuss it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:40, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ricky81682, I've restored the talk page edit notice to make it clear that claims made by primary sources will not be accepted. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On the top of the article it says Semi-protected, but the article is fully protected. The article was recently targeted with edit warring, but has already been done

86.22.8.235 (talk) 09:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali latest 330 crore

www.thereportertimes.com/kabali-8th-day-box-office-collection/33135/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D64C:6CEB:4D5D:8931:5988 (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - Thereportertimes.com is not a reliable source. We don't care what random blogs have to say. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali latest 320 crore. Do you take Indiatoday a national daily as a source atleast?

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kabali-rajinikanth-box-office-collecion-total-collection/1/726839.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎SaiGovind95 (talk • contribs)

When you posted this request, SaiGovind95, there was a giant notice at the top of the edit window. It said:

1. Wikipedia does not have a deadline nor an obligation to report-up-to-the-minute box office numbers;
   
2. Requests that do not include a reliably published source with a reputation for editorial oversight that verifies the suggested changes WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.
3. Requests to change budget/box office data that are supported by claims made by, or attributed to, primary sources (producers, actors, directors, distributors, etc.) will be closed with no action. Only independently verified estimates from reliable published sources will be entertained.

Please note #3. Now look at your reference.

"At the success meet of Kabali, the makers have revealed that the film has grossed Rs 320 crore worldwide in six days."

So who's the source of the information? The national daily, or the makers of the film? We only care what has been independently verified by secondary sources, not primary sources like film producers/directors, etc. These people have an inherent reason to inflate the values. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As producer has conformed earlier; Kabali WW gross was 320 Cr in 6 days. Till yesterday it has crossed 375 Cr, But it's not getting updated in Highest grossing movies column. When someone adds; the other people (North Indians/Bollywood) are removing... It's pathetic and sick... Please add... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.82.194.32 (talk) 07:17, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

183.82.194.32: No. Read the answers above. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:48, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I wanna edit some things

Hulk60606 (talk) 14:01, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:16, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Kabali Rs 300 Crore box office collection as given by a third party and independent source is now available. ^[1]. Please help us update. Thanks. --Pearll's Sun^TALK 14:22, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - pearll's sun, the source says the gross is 250, and they predict Kabali will hit 300. Reading is fundamental. "Trade tracker Ramesh B put the India box office business of the Rajinikanth movie at Rs 142.5 crore net and Rs 166.5 crore gross. With the international box office close to Rs 90 crore, the total BO figure has crossed Rs 250 crore worldwide." and "Rajinikanth’s Kabali is a shoo-in for the Rs 300 crore club." Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:18, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]