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jai lava kusa- 1.5 million dollar [[Special:Contributions/183.82.230.9|183.82.230.9]] ([[User talk:183.82.230.9|talk]]) 10:48, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
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== Trying to wrap my head around the data... ==

So I'm randomly looking at the reference list for the 1973 film ''Bobby''. Here's what I see:

Bobby: ₹30.24 crore (US$35.65 million) in 1975 (₹1155 crore (US$172 million) in 2016)<br>
:*India: ₹11 crore<sup>[173]</sup> (US$14.21 million)<sup>[n 59]</sup> in 1973 (US$77 million or ₹517 crore<sup>[125]</sup> in 2016)<br>
:*Soviet Union: 15.65 million SUR<sup>[n 60]</sup> (US$21.44 million,<sup>[n 61]</sup> ₹19.24 crore)<sup>[n 62]</sup> in 1975 (US$95 million (₹638 crore)<sup>[125]</sup> in 2016)

How we arrive at 30.24 crore is visually confusing to say the least, with all those currency conversions and notes and such. {{Ping|Maestro2016}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=next&oldid=787786078 You seem to have placed] a lot of stock in what [http://kinanet.livejournal.com/1469857.html some random LiveJournal user] has said. How does this source qualify as [[WP:RS]]? And how do we know that [https://web.archive.org/web/20110721044326/http://boxofficeindia.com/showProd.php?itemCat=179&catName=MTk3Mw==/1973.htm this BOI reference], which cites a gross of {{INR}}11 crore doesn't represent the estimated worldwide gross? Where does it say that this is the domestic take? I mean it's already problematic that we're dealing with box office estimates from 1973. We can't even get consistent box figures with all our technology in 2017.

It seems that we're making assumptions about 2 important facts: 1) That the LiveJournal post is authoritative, and 2) That the Box Office India guesstimates are domestic only.

Additionally, I'm curious why Urdu appears so often in the Highest-grossing films by year table. Seems to have sprung up [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=790228616&oldid=790143885 here]. Many of these are presumably Hindi films produced by Bollywood. What's the Urdu connection? Dubs? We don't include dubs in these tables.

Really we're in [[WP:SYNTH]] territory, because we're cobbling together a bunch of data from a myriad of sources to arrive at something none of the sources say. Taking a LiveJournal post, taking the alleged ticket sales figure, multiplying that by the average ticket price, converting that figure into Indian rupees, adjusting for inflation... HUUUUGE margin for error here, and it's kind of shocking that no mainstream Indian source can be found to say explicitly "Bobby was the highest grossing Indian film of 1973 with a worldwide gross of {{INR}}NN crore." The lack of data to this effect makes everything else so suspect. Regards, [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 13:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

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Mungarumale collected ₹75 crore

Information icon Hello, I'm Tevar shaa. I wanted to let you know that According to reports at that time, #Mungarumale was the first film to touch ₹50 crore and even within 300 days See this.[1] And ran for 1 year continuously in PVR with packed houses. And went on to run over 865 days and raked over ₹75 crore in its life time in #Karnataka. [2][3]

Actually the the Mungarumale collection is not announced by any primary sources like producer/actor/director/distributors, it is by critic, named C.H. Prahlada Rao, who told to "DNA" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tevar shaa (talk • contribs)

Domestic gross

@Cyphoidbomb, DRAGON BOOSTER, Maestro2016, and Jupitus Smart: Right, pinged all important contributors to this article. Now, what I am raising is, this article contains information about wordwide gross, gross by language, and gross by year, but it doesn't contain domestic gross. I propose adding a section titled domestic gross to this article, good places to get info include Box Office India, Bollywood Hungama, etc. Requesting your information on the same, 2.51.16.149 (talk) 13:20, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We already have List of highest-grossing Indian films in overseas markets. And most movies overlap in both the articles, so anybody can find out the domestic gross by subtracting, if they are so interested. I am however not averse to the idea altogether. If there is a consensus towards it, I would prefer if you create it as a new article, instead of cluttering this article, similar to the overseas article. Jupitus Smart 13:28, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to cover domestic gross, my suggestion would be to create a new article along the lines of List of highest-grossing films in China, which covers the gross of films released in China (including both Chinese and foreign films). The closest equivalent for Indian films is List of highest domestic net collection of Hindi films, which only covers Hindi films released in India. Maestro2016 (talk) 15:48, 11 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This sounded like a good idea to me, so I went ahead and created the article at List of highest grossing films in India. @Jupitus Smart and Maestro2016: Are the sourcing and formatting of the article proper according to Wikipedia standards ? Thanks, King Prithviraj II (talk) 15:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cyphoidbomb: Your view ? King Prithviraj II (talk) 15:59, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Ninnu Kori (2017) Telugu: 461 million INR(US$ 7.2 mil) 14.139.38.9 (talk) 11:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DRAGON BOOSTER 11:22, 4 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Even if this were true, the Telugu list ends at 1250 million. So this would not find a place anyway. Jupitus Smart 13:06, 10 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit required under TAMIL MOVIES

VIVEGAM new movie which crossed 157 cr and currently running. So it takes the position of 8th and Theri needs to be step down to 9th position. source: http://www.financialexpress.com/entertainment/after-defeating-baahubali-in-chennai-thala-ajith-kumar-film-vivegam-set-to-break-record-of-i-movie-of-shankar-vikram/850567/ 122.174.57.152 (talk) 15:02, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Got any sources other than Express Group (Financial Express / Indian Express)? After their incompetent reporting on the Kabali figures, I'm strongly reticent to blindly republish their latest Tamil film hype. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:27, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Included other sources: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/vivegam-box-office-collection-ajith-kumar-kajal-aggarwal/1/1044692.html http://www.businesstoday.in/lifestyle/off-track/vivegam-box-office-collection-ajiths-movie-seems-unstoppable-crosses-rs-160-cr-mark-worldwide/story/259986.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.57.152 (talk) 19:30, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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DanteInfeno (talk) 21:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 21:56, 15 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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8 Ksb1983 (talk) 21:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 22:35, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Theri's collection source tells us that the movie had grossed a total of Rs.156 Cr. in the first week of its release. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dongroves/2016/04/24/tollywood-box-office-update-sarrainodu-scores-in-the-u-s-and-india/#5d79d6027c3a The movie then went on to run for another 50 days and hence its collections is obviously more than the said amount http://onlookersmedia.in/collection-report/theri-gross-collection-to-reach-200-crore-mark-soon/ The above link cleaerl states that the movie had collected atleast Rs.175 Cr. I request the movie collections to be changed from Rs.156 Cr. to Rs.175 Cr.

14.139.160.224 (talk) 09:50, 28 September 2017 (UTC) 14.139.160.224 (talk) 09:50, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Though you are correct that if a film ran for 50 days, it presumably grossed more than what it made in its first week, Onlookersmedia.in is a blog. Blogs are insufficient as reliable sources. See WP:UGC. We care what reliable published sources with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy have to say about anything. If you can find a stronger mainstream news source that takes a stab at estimating Theri's gross, feel free to resubmit. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:17, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dangal collected 2000 crore, check the link below by Forbes and anyone who has access to update the collections kindly update. Thanks.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/10/03/if-secret-superstar-hits-big-aamir-khan-will-own-the-title-worlds-biggest-movie-star/#3b6ee934a8d3 Saisiddharth4u (talk) 18:06, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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MERSAL 1500CR Mukhilk (talk) 13:04, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 14:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mukhilk: Please don't post idiotic edit requests. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:24, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Fidaa- 2.0 Million dollar spyder- 1.5 million dollar jai lava kusa- 1.5 million dollar 183.82.230.9 (talk) 10:48, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to wrap my head around the data...

So I'm randomly looking at the reference list for the 1973 film Bobby. Here's what I see:

Bobby: ₹30.24 crore (US$35.65 million) in 1975 (₹1155 crore (US$172 million) in 2016)

  • India: ₹11 crore[173] (US$14.21 million)[n 59] in 1973 (US$77 million or ₹517 crore[125] in 2016)
  • Soviet Union: 15.65 million SUR[n 60] (US$21.44 million,[n 61] ₹19.24 crore)[n 62] in 1975 (US$95 million (₹638 crore)[125] in 2016)

How we arrive at 30.24 crore is visually confusing to say the least, with all those currency conversions and notes and such. @Maestro2016: You seem to have placed a lot of stock in what some random LiveJournal user has said. How does this source qualify as WP:RS? And how do we know that this BOI reference, which cites a gross of 11 crore doesn't represent the estimated worldwide gross? Where does it say that this is the domestic take? I mean it's already problematic that we're dealing with box office estimates from 1973. We can't even get consistent box figures with all our technology in 2017.

It seems that we're making assumptions about 2 important facts: 1) That the LiveJournal post is authoritative, and 2) That the Box Office India guesstimates are domestic only.

Additionally, I'm curious why Urdu appears so often in the Highest-grossing films by year table. Seems to have sprung up here. Many of these are presumably Hindi films produced by Bollywood. What's the Urdu connection? Dubs? We don't include dubs in these tables.

Really we're in WP:SYNTH territory, because we're cobbling together a bunch of data from a myriad of sources to arrive at something none of the sources say. Taking a LiveJournal post, taking the alleged ticket sales figure, multiplying that by the average ticket price, converting that figure into Indian rupees, adjusting for inflation... HUUUUGE margin for error here, and it's kind of shocking that no mainstream Indian source can be found to say explicitly "Bobby was the highest grossing Indian film of 1973 with a worldwide gross of NN crore." The lack of data to this effect makes everything else so suspect. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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