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Can we include [[Kung Fu Yoga]] in highest grossing? [[Special:Contributions/45.116.233.20|45.116.233.20]] ([[User talk:45.116.233.20|talk]]) 20:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Can we include [[Kung Fu Yoga]] in highest grossing? [[Special:Contributions/45.116.233.20|45.116.233.20]] ([[User talk:45.116.233.20|talk]]) 20:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I think we can include [[Kung Fu Yoga]] in Hindi list as the movie was shot in Hindi also. Any how, we are including the revenues from international dubbed versions into the gross collections.

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Odd numbering

Unless there's some WikiProject Film-wide precedent to the contrary, I think it's a bad idea to give films with the same grosses unique rankings. For example, at Highest-grossing Kannada films, we have:

Rank Movie Year Director Studio(s) Worldwide gross Source
5 Krantiveera Sangolli Rayanna 2012 Naganna Sri Sangolli Rayanna Cine Combines 40 crore (US$4.8 million) [1]
6 Uppi 2 2015 Upendra Upendra Productions 40 crore (US$4.8 million) [2]
7 Kirik Party 2016 Rishab Shetty Paramvah Studios 40 crore (US$4.8 million) [3]
8 Doddmane Hudga 2016 Duniya Soori Ajay Pictures 35−40 crore (US$−4.8 million) [4]

Three films have 40 crore grosses, but somehow Wikipedia is the arbiter of which 40 crore film was #5, #6 and #7? In this edit a user moved Kirik Party all the way to the bottom of the list of 40 crore grossing films, even beneath the film that potentially only grossed 35 crore? Why? This arrangement is problematic, because it encourages POV editing. If someone doesn't like the actor/director/producer of Kirik Party, the film arbitrarily gets moved to the #8 spot? The smarter and more neutral approach is to lump similar films together under the same rank like this:

Rank Movie Year Director Studio(s) Worldwide gross Source
5 Kirik Party 2016 Rishab Shetty Paramvah Studios 40 crore (US$4.8 million) [1]
Krantiveera Sangolli Rayanna 2012 Naganna Sri Sangolli Rayanna Cine Combines 40 crore (US$4.8 million) [2]
Uppi 2 2015 Upendra Upendra Productions 40 crore (US$4.8 million) [3]
6 Doddmane Hudga 2016 Duniya Soori Ajay Pictures 35−40 crore (US$−4.8 million) [4]

The films could then be organised alphabetically. Yes, this means that there will be more than 10 entries for some lists, but I can't think of a better way to organise films without getting into POV issues. I'm still not sure what should be done with Doddmane Hudga here, because with the range it could be one of the #5 films, or it could be the #6 film. It's generally problematic that Wikipedia is ranking films itself instead of relying on what authoritative sources say, but that's mostly the fault of the industry-wide box office guesstimations. Comments welcomed. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:52, 19 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While the idea is good, please do limit the total entities to 10. So if rank 5 has 2 more movies tied at the same place, have the ranks limited to 8 to ensure that only 10 movies are on the list. The only exception I can think of is if rank 10 has 2 movies tied, in which case it might be acceptable to let the tied movies remain. Jupitus Smart 14:35, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the feedback, but I don't understand the rationale for limiting a table to a literal 10 films. The point of each table is to present the films that fall into the top 10 slots. Presenting only the top 8 wouldn't achieve that goal. I think it's bizarre to treat the table so literally. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And just to make this easier to understand for anyone else who wants to participate, here's a visual:
Extended content
Option A - focus on top 10 films
1) Film 1
2) Film 2
3) Film 3
4) Film 4
5) Film 5, Film 6, Film 7
6) Film 8
7) Film 9
8) Film 10
Option B - focus on top 10 grosses
1) Film 1
2) Film 2
3) Film 3
4) Film 4
5) Film 5, Film 6, Film 7
6) Film 8
7) Film 9
8) Film 10
9) Film 11
10) Film 12
Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A better way would be to number them like this:

1) Film 1
2) Film 2
3) Film 3
4) Film 4
5) Film 5, Film 6, Film 7
8) Film 8
9) Film 9
10) Film 10

Cheers, Lyrda (talk) 17:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Lyrda's numbering scheme. Betty Logan (talk) 17:46, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's how it's usually done. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:50, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, interesting. Comments very much appreciated, thank you. What would you guys recommend in the example of Doddmane Hudga above, where the source presents a range of guesstimation? Does that fall into slot 5 because it has a top estimate of 40 crore, or do we keep it where it is, because we know for sure that it has made at least 35 crore? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:26, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's a tricky question. I'd sort "35–40" between 35 and 36, as if it were a string. It makes sense to me, but maybe that's only because I've worked in information technology. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would sort it on 35. By saying 35–40 you are basically saying it's made at least 35, but not much more than that. Ultimately if something has made 40 crore it has made 35 crore, but not the other way around. Betty Logan (talk) 23:12, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's like 'finished in the top three' always means third place. Lyrda (talk) 23:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2017

Munthirivallikal Thalirkumbol malayalam film 51cr collection please update Arjunachoo123 (talk) 15:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:35, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can we include Kung Fu Yoga in highest grossing?

Can we include Kung Fu Yoga in highest grossing? 45.116.233.20 (talk) 20:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can include Kung Fu Yoga in Hindi list as the movie was shot in Hindi also. Any how, we are including the revenues from international dubbed versions into the gross collections.

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