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I propose that List of highest-grossing Indian films in overseas markets be merged into List of highest-grossing Indian films. We don't need a separate page just for overseas figures. - Managerarc™ ^talk 20:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Managerarc I don't think we need to keep a unique tally of grosses domestically vs. grosses internationally. Maybe discussing whether the overseas article should be deleted is in order. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb: Multiple reliable sources, newspapers etc do report domestic and overseas figures separately. I don't see a valid reason to completely remove it. Maybe splitting the worldwide gross in the global gross section into overseas and domestic would be a better option?- Managerarc™ ^talk 18:02, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Managerarc, what's the parallel example at Wikipedia for Western films? This just feels like we're treating Indian films like a special snowflake instead of having Indian film articles adhere to common community editing practices. This is especially problematic because of how prone Indian film financials are to fudging, incomplete data, vandalism and other forms of corruption. I'm very reluctant to endorse yet another avenue for paid sock rings to deliver dubious information of questionable academic value. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:00, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb what do you suggest then? The consensus seems to be merge as of now.- Managerarc™ ^talk 22:32, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Managerarc - it would be nice to see some voices from some of the WT:ICTF regulars. Maybe you'd consider inviting them to the discussion? Kailash, Bollyjeff, and so on. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:48, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merging is appropriate. A totally unnecessary list. See the List of highest-grossing films (FL), gross when adjusted for inflation, films by year, franchise films are all listed in that single page. Likewise, the List of highest-grossing Indian films in overseas markets is not an independent topic, and List of highest-grossing Indian films shows worldwide gross, not the domestic. --Charles Turing (talk) 11:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Keeping another article for this is totally unnecessary. Karyasuman (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. -- Rajeshbieee (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge - keep topics inclusive and to prevent any prevailing vandalism/crystal balling. — EelamStyleZ (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The producer uttered some words in the media about the Kabali collections as Rs 250 crores in Day 1, which is highly impossible according to number of screens, occupancy rate and ticket rates. It seems to be a marketing gimmick to attract more people to the cinema halls. The reference given for the Kabali collections http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/rajinikanths-kabali-smashes-all-box-office-records-earns-rs-250-crore-in-india-on-first-day/articleshow/53354457.cms itself contradicts in another reference by showing Day 1 collection as over 40 crores http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/rajinikanths-kabali-smashes-all-box-office-records-collects-over-rs-40-crore/articleshow/53347794.cms. So, please update the Kabali collections according to a consistent reference source like as given in http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kabali-rajinikanth-second-day-box-office-collection-sultan-vedalam-review/1/722537.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.49.83.78 (talk) 07:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Its time to update the data, please refer http://www.financialexpress.com/photos/entertainment-gallery/334390/kabali-box-office-collections-at-over-rs-650-cr-rajinikanth-starrer-is-now-no-1-movie-in-india/ and get the update — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rkthik (talk • contribs) 14:04, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali needs to be updated as 470cr (211 Cr domestic + 259 Cr overseas) based on the link. Excluded pre business from 650cr. http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/rajinikanth-kabali-box-office-collection-rs-650-crore-leaves-salman-khan-sultan-behind/ Pradoblaze (talk) 12:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Except International Business Times, till now there is no other source says Kabali Crosses 600 Cr. All other sources which says this collection, stating source is International Business Times. So suspect is there. IBT says one day it fails to break Bhagubali and Sultan and after two days they expressed it broke all records. How is it possible to beat, even if the film is not performing well third weeks of its release. Now the movie is running less theaters due to new releases and it is not possible to beat blockbusters like Bhagubali and Sultan even those third and fourth week's collection is same like second week whereas it does not workout in Kabali. Please verify all data from liable sources. The same V Creations declared their earlier project Theri crossed 100 crores in four days but after that they did not say anything about the total collection and Wikipedia does not have even estimated total value of the film's lifetime collection. Now-a-days, saying the film crossed 100 crores in two or three days and it broke all previous records, etc is a market trick to promote the movie to run success in theaters. Kabali's pre-release business is around 200 crores included their BO records but it should not include as per calculation of BO business and that should be calculated in total business. Some sources provided about its fact related to prove the above description. Thanks.

http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossip/rajinikanths-kabali-fails-to-break-salman-khans-sultan-baahubali-box-office-records/ http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-breaks-baahubali-records-fails-beat-sultan-collection-records-overseas-box-office-687856#5JVcAXFBgvwbjcHl.97 http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-breaks-baahubali-records-fails-beat-sultan-collection-records-overseas-box-office-687856#PtuJAhb0lo5G6J25.97 http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/kabali-all-versions-fails-to-beat-the-opening-day-record-of-bahubali/ http://www.hollybollybuzz.com/news-gossip/rajinikanths-kabali-fails-to-break-salman-khans-sultan-baahubali-box-office-records/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabali kabali (talk • contribs) 10:11, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Koimoi is not considered a reliable source per WP:ICTF, yet many of the film grosses in this article are supported by Koimoi as a reference.[1] Is this bugging anyone? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• That's the least concerning thing for me but I agree with their removal. It would be helpful if the Indian film task force agreed on removing it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:43, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update Kabali Box office collection: 300 crore till now

http://www.indiaglitz.com/kabali-beat-enthiran-collection-tamil-news-163921.html

If you dont understand tamil, please translate the sentences in English, especially the last sentense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:743F:D366:1B14:2B8E (talk) 07:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - I'm not comfortable using IndiaGlitz as a reference. Also, the Google translation of the last sentence is "Websites and social web users when giving negative reviews of some of the film's box office has been less successful is Rs 300 crore towards the goal." It is unclear what that means. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:58, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali box office entered into 400 crore club Gunasekaran710 (talk) 08:21, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gunasekaran710 No it didn't. You're confusing their pre-release income with box office income. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:01, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly include Kabali movie in Top Grossing Indian movie category. Regards Sarose00751 (talk) 12:33, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.financialexpress.com/photos/entertainment-gallery/334390/kabali-box-office-collections-at-over-rs-650-cr-rajinikanth-starrer-is-now-no-1-movie-in-india/ Sarose00751 (talk) 12:37, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali 326 crore

http://behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-cinema-news-16/rajinikanths-kabali-has-collected-326-crores-in-6-days-says-thanu.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D61F:595B:28D0:9908:8D41 (talk) 18:02, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - The 326 crore figure is claimed by the producer. Producers, actors, directors, distributors all constitute primary sources. A producer would have every reason to inflate or deflate financial figures to serve his personal gain. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

220.227.74.73 (talk) 05:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC) Update Kabali's Gross. Seems Like the Admin of this page are concerned only about bollywood movies,in that case split this page and make a separate article only for hindi movies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.74.73 (talk • contribs) [reply]

Not done: as you have not made a specific request in the form "Please replace XX with YY" or "Please add ZZ between PP and QQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 13:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the volunteers at this page aren't interested in updating Kabali's gross every six hours, and the constant requests are only cluttering the talk page, making it more difficult to discern which is the most useful data. Wikipedia does not have a deadline, so we're not in any hurry, and you shouldn't be either. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali Update to 326 crore

http://behindwoods.com/tamil-movies-cinema-news-16/producer-thanu-asks-kabali-director-paranjith-to-do-another-film-for-v-creations.html

http://www.indiaglitz.com/kalaipuli-s-thanu-says-rajinikanth-radhika-apte-kabali-collected-rs-320-crores-in-six-days-tamil-news-164085.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:C976:6AE5:869C:25F7 (talk) 09:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - The 326 crore figure is claimed by the producer. Producers, actors, directors, distributors all constitute primary sources. A producer would have every reason to inflate or deflate financial figures to serve his personal gain. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:53, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali 335 crore, and please put it into the Top 15 of all time.

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-7-days-box-office-collection-rajinikanths-film-ends-high-note-first-week-688236 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C514:4501:C976:6AE5:869C:25F7 (talk) 09:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - Source says "The early prediction says that the movie has raked in over Rs. 335 crore." Predictions are guesses. The source also attributes the 320 crore figure to the producer, which would constitute a primary source. Producers have a vested interest in fudging financial data. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

117.241.163.243 (talk) 09:49, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carry_On_Jatta pls change to punjabi movie history its 3rd numbers movie

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 09:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Given the aggressive attempts to make this into a live action box office results with poor sources, I've raised protection here. I advise the people coming here to spend more than a minute and actually look for a reliable source and discuss it. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:40, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ricky81682, I've restored the talk page edit notice to make it clear that claims made by primary sources will not be accepted. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

On the top of the article it says Semi-protected, but the article is fully protected. The article was recently targeted with edit warring, but has already been done

86.22.8.235 (talk) 09:48, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali latest 330 crore

www.thereportertimes.com/kabali-8th-day-box-office-collection/33135/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D64C:6CEB:4D5D:8931:5988 (talk) 16:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - Thereportertimes.com is not a reliable source. We don't care what random blogs have to say. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:49, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali latest 320 crore. Do you take Indiatoday a national daily as a source atleast?

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kabali-rajinikanth-box-office-collecion-total-collection/1/726839.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎SaiGovind95 (talk • contribs)

When you posted this request, SaiGovind95, there was a giant notice at the top of the edit window. It said:

1. Wikipedia does not have a deadline nor an obligation to report-up-to-the-minute box office numbers;
   
2. Requests that do not include a reliably published source with a reputation for editorial oversight that verifies the suggested changes WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED.
3. Requests to change budget/box office data that are supported by claims made by, or attributed to, primary sources (producers, actors, directors, distributors, etc.) will be closed with no action. Only independently verified estimates from reliable published sources will be entertained.

Please note #3. Now look at your reference.

"At the success meet of Kabali, the makers have revealed that the film has grossed Rs 320 crore worldwide in six days."

So who's the source of the information? The national daily, or the makers of the film? We only care what has been independently verified by secondary sources, not primary sources like film producers/directors, etc. These people have an inherent reason to inflate the values. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As producer has conformed earlier; Kabali WW gross was 320 Cr in 6 days. Till yesterday it has crossed 375 Cr, But it's not getting updated in Highest grossing movies column. When someone adds; the other people (North Indians/Bollywood) are removing... It's pathetic and sick... Please add... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.82.194.32 (talk) 07:17, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

183.82.194.32: No. Read the answers above. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:48, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I wanna edit some things

Hulk60606 (talk) 14:01, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:16, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Kabali Rs 300 Crore box office collection as given by a third party and independent source is now available. ^[1]. Please help us update. Thanks. --Pearll's Sun^TALK 14:22, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - pearll's sun, the source says the gross is 250, and they predict Kabali will hit 300. Reading is fundamental. "Trade tracker Ramesh B put the India box office business of the Rajinikanth movie at Rs 142.5 crore net and Rs 166.5 crore gross. With the international box office close to Rs 90 crore, the total BO figure has crossed Rs 250 crore worldwide." and "Rajinikanth’s Kabali is a shoo-in for the Rs 300 crore club." Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:18, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How about this? "Kabali box office collections: At over Rs 650 cr, Rajinikanth starrer is now No. 1 movie in India"^[1] Thanks. --Pearll's Sun^TALK 19:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

pearll's sun - No. See conversation at the bottom of the page opened by Originalboxofficer and responded to by myself and Ricky. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:34, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Will this be taken as a reliable third party source? ^[1] Thanks. --Pearll's Sun^TALK 12:31, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See This reference which casts serious doubt on any gross outside of the 309-350 crore range. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but the way things go, we are unable to accept the film producers claim on collection and even the third party claim has a conflicting claim. What would we do if this is how it stays for ever?

We now have one more ref, though it doesn't give any particular details on collection we can have this for some reference :) ^[1] Also check these ref's. ^[2][3] --Pearll's Sun^TALK 17:30, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re: "What would we do if this is how it stays for ever?" I would say that you're overly concerned about a problem that hasn't happened yet. As the data passes through the filter of time, the problem is sure to remedy itself. Of the three references you've linked to above, I have nothing specific to say about the first since it reflects content already found in the list. The other two are the same reference repeated twice. They open with a question indicative of disbelief, "Has Kabali really crossed the Rs 600 crore mark?" They follow this with a cautious statement "If the 600-crore figure is correct, then it would mean that Kabali has matched the worldwide collections of Baahubali". That doesn't sound like a resounding confirmation, in fact, it's quite the opposite, especially when followed up with "More conservative estimates put Kabali’s collections at around Rs 300 crores from worldwide ticket sales." So again, no hard evidence that the box office gross has been in the 600+ range, only skeptical re-reports. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:35, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cyphoidbomb We now have three more third party sources that puts the movie at over 600 crores Indiatimes, IndiaGlitz and Indian Express. Thanks. --Pearll's Sun^TALK 13:17, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

pearll's sun - And again, you're not paying attention to the content of the sources you're pointing me to. You keep pointing me to sources that are blindly regurgitating the tripe from Financial Express, then shifting the burden to me to continue arguing why they're not helpful. I'm not sure how many times you need to hear me argue that if the value is in the 600 crore range, it's almost certainly including pre-release income that we never include in box office details. And if Financial Express is printing totals that other sources have claimed as unrealistically high, I don't know why you're insistent that we consider them, unless you have some vested interest in affirming the high values. As I've previously said, the only thing we know for a fact is that the movie crossed 309-350 crore at the box office. Therefore, that is the reasonable value to include in the article until the data becomes more consistent across the mainstream sources and filtered through time. Surely you've heard that Indian cinema has a lot of box office corruption, right? That's why Times of India stopped reporting box office figures in 2013. So you, as an intelligent, thinking person, should be very skeptical about the latest record-smashing, mind-blowing numbers being reported, particularly when there's no reliable, centralized, impartial methodology for determining the information, and especially when the information keeps coming from the same source. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to know why the tamil film Dasavathaaram is missing from the list of top grossing tamil films. I think Dasavathaaram had grossed over 100 crores.

Rajeshbieee (talk) 10:42, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: I can't tell if you're requesting an edit or just asking a question, but we already have the top 10 highest-grossing Tamil films in the article. Previous consensus preferred to limit the number of examples to 10, and the 100 crore value you're claiming (even if sourced) would be less than the Rs. 130 crore value held by Mankatha in the #10 spot. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:11, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please add this detail and adjust the list.

http://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/showbiz/kabali-box-office-collections-rajinikanth-powers-movie-to-over-rs-645-cr/333841/#.V53i_ingnCE.whatsapp

Thanks

Prasannainfo (talk) 12:25, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:11, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

change the box office of the film kabali it is more than 600 crores

http://www.financialexpress.com/photos/entertainment-gallery/334390/kabali-box-office-collections-at-over-rs-650-cr-rajinikanth-starrer-is-now-no-1-movie-in- india/

Originalboxofficer (talk) 13:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Unclear whether they are claiming 650 crore was grossed solely from box office sales. It's said that the film took in 200 crore before it was even released, and several sources have erroneously included this value into the box office details. Also, three days ago everyone was gung-ho to claim 320 crores (attributed to the producer) had been grossed in six days--did the film gross an additional 280 crore in three days? Thankfully, since Wikipedia has no deadline, we're not in a rush to add this information and we can certainly wait until some of the box office dust settles and the estimates even out. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:21, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and this source, provided by the editor above you, seems to lump the 200 crore "from marketing" into a 645 crore total, indicating 195 crore grossed domestically, and 250 crore internationally. So at best we'd be talking about 445 crore, not 650. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:33, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The source itself admits that "no official word" about it but basically rumors. I say we wait. If it's true, other sources will confirm it. If not, then we can disregard. It's not like the end total is going to change based on whether or not we update it today. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 17:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bahubali was released simultaneously in tamil , telugu, hindi and malayalam. Then why only tamil and telugu are listed in the table. if you see the box office areawise collections, you can see that more than 40% of its collections were from Rest of India minus south.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baahubali:_The_Beginning (see topic "release")

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-bahubali-lifetime-box-office-collection-prabhas-starrer-earns-rs-302-crore-its-649645

(see collection trends) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenfireworks (talk • contribs) 18:44, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Greenfireworks, the film was simultaneously shot in Tamil and Telugu. We aren't counting dubs in the list. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:02, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See the prior discussion here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:38, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I need to edit wikipwdia

Dhinakaran19 (talk) 04:19, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:26, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cyphoidbomb, your point is right, so please check the below link and I believe it is valid enough to add Dasavathaaram in the top grossing 10 tamil films list. I hope you will add it and that's the edit request I have.

http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/baahubali-to-thuppakki-tamil-cinemas-100-cr-films-1204181

Rajeshbieee (talk) 06:08, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:53, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update boxoffice collections of sultan, as it grossed around 568crs according to already provided source Ambeinghari (talk) 08:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

kabali has grossed 2.5 billion inr check in google fools

Nj666 (talk) 11:20, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Nj666, thanks to some very over-eager readers who were willing to believe anything the producer said, and inconsistent reporting in the press, it seems the best approach for dealing with Kabali's box office data is to wait a bit until the information settles. Also, please watch the name-calling. It has no place at Wikipedia and only distracts from the discussion. Oh, and if you choose to make an edit request again, please provide references from reliable published sources. Saying "check in google" doesn't actually facilitate anything. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:33, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

change the list today itself — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nj666 (talk • contribs) 11:24, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Nj666, see above. There's no need to fill out multiple edit requests. Wikipedia has no deadline. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:34, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Vishwaroopam and Dasavatharam in the TOP 10 of highest grossing in tamil cinema?!??!

Kamal Hassan has not such a Fan following in the south, like Vijay, Ajith or Mahesh Babu.

The Internet Site must be a unreliable source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D6CD:F445:FB2B:CD19:3250 (talk) 17:46, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The answer to your question is: because the values are supported by reliable published sources. If you can provide other information that is supported by mainstream sources with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy (no blogs, no other shady sources) then changes can be considered. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:20, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

new update on Kabali

http://www.financialexpress.com/lifestyle/showbiz/kabali-box-office-collections-rajinikanth-rs-670-cr-does-the-impossible-beats-the-bollywood-brigade/336330/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D6CD:9C86:DB0D:E48F:5A64 (talk) 19:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - I'm not willing to make changes to the article until the box office data stabilizes across the various sources that endeavor to report it, not just to regurgitate information from one source. This source from two days ago said 262 crore. Did the film gross 200 crore extra in 2 days? Unless you're in a position to argue that higher numbers by default equal greater accuracy, I think it's premature to say definitively what the actual gross estimates reflect. Adding the info seems to place Wikipedia in the middle of a promotional campaign, which is not our job. Further, as noted numerous times above, Wikipedia has no deadline. If we have to wait a month for a consistent gross estimate across all sources, so be it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:33, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Like List of highest-grossing Tamil films, I see no reason why Telugu films should have a separate article than the main Indian films one. Again, we do it by country and not by language within countries. The merger discussion from 2013 until 2015 shows why a single listing makes more sense and there is enough discrepancies between this page and List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Highest-grossing_Telugu_films to make watching both unwarranted. Ricky81682 (talk) 19:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I lean toward Merge: Seems like unnecessary child article with somewhat arbitrary figures, ex: highest opening, opening weekend, week... Whatever detail is warranted to include could be maintained here. These pages seem more like ethnic badges of honor, to me. Past discussions across various Indian cinema articles suggest that there is a push to associate certain films with ethnic identity and for each ethnic identity to be in competition with each other. I don't know that there is an analogue for this anywhere else in the film article world. Do we have lists for highest-grossing African-American films or highest-grossing Cuban-American films? My impression after having edited and gnomed at many Indian film articles, is that pages like these seem more like badges of honor for specific ethnic identities in India. Greater feedback from the WikiProject Film community would be appreciated, so I have invited them. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:51, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, per above. Like other individual industry pages of highest-grossing films, they are excessively detailed of trivial information. All industries can be outlined under the List of highest-grossing Indian films to keep topics inclusive and to prevent any prevailing vandalism/crystal balling. — EelamStyleZ (talk) 18:23, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• I actually support a Delete, the article isn't even appropriately titled. EelamStyleZ (talk) 17:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please say, what you are doing in this site ?

It´s just a joke, if Aambala starring Vishal, earned 256 crore. He is a one of the local heros in Tamil Cinema. He can be happy, if his movie surpass the 50 crore.

Also I only 135 crore ?!?!??!

Is this side a joke ?!?!

Please close this nonsence — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D6CD:2943:6C8C:C7C2:407A (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I mean this side

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Tamil_films#cite_note-2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D6CD:2943:6C8C:C7C2:407A (talk) 21:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - You should have asked your question at Talk:List of highest-grossing Tamil films, not here. That said, the problem was a result of vandalism from 2015. I fixed the error in this edit. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:23, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali has raked in more than 330 crores ... How can it still be at 250 crores ... Can the person pls make the changes .. Do not give the wrong updates. 1990Krishna (talk) 07:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1990Krishna, are you in a hurry? Can we wait until the figures calm down a bit? See all the other requests on this page. There is clearly a problem with the values being reported. 14:38, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please update boxoffice collections of movie sultan. The movie has grossed 577 crores worldwide. Here is the source. ^[4]. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambeinghari (talk • contribs) 14:17, 3 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:55, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia, Showing the collections to be higher than the actual one may put Wikipedia in a promotional campaign. But the showing the figures to be less than what it has earned will earn the film a bad name. I suggest you add the last updated date next to collection column which I believe will sort out half the issues regarding the collections of blockbuster movies. Thank you. Arunkxip (talk) 05:51, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arunkxip, I'm not concerned with hypothetical damage to a film's reputation. If people are native enough to expect up-to-the-minute data about films at this encyclopedia, they obviously have no idea what an encyclopedia is. That said, the request otherwise is reasonable given the circumstances, but I assure you that the people who keep conveniently misreading the Financial Express source will continue to make their requesta. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's not so... Kabali has reached 650 cr becoming the highest grossing tamil movie.But it's Baahubali that's being listed as the first.

Gauthamravichandran (talk) 06:21, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: See the other responses above. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 06:26, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In the list Pk is on the top with 791 crore. The source which supports that is of koimoi, which is considered as an unreliable source. The figures are manipulated as the total colletion according to Boxoffice India is 742 crore as you can see here. ^[1] likewise Bajrangi Bhaijaan, Chennai Express, Prem Ratan Dhan Payo etc all are higher than original collections. Pls make necessary action to make the article perfect..

Likewise collections of Sultan is now standa at 577 crore as you can see below. Pls update. ^[2] Ambeinghari (talk) 07:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Any actions taken Cyphoidbomb Pls.. all collections are misleading readers.. exact collections are mentioned on the sources provided above. Pls check it out. I don't know whether i will get blocked or not, but before going want to contribute some good on this article. Pls see above source.Regards Ambeinghari (talk) 06:33, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

new resource for kabali

http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/rajinikanth-kabali-box-office-collection-rs-650-crore-leaves-salman-khan-sultan-behind/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C516:201:C018:AF51:D5B1:BEF0 (talk) 08:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See This reference which casts serious doubt on any gross outside of the 309-350 crore range. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:45, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali box office needs to be updated. Source article for your reference is given below: http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-box-office-collection-reports-rajinikanth-starrer-raking-rs-675-crore-13-days-are-fake-688881#Oz9TIMcMAeGq45UD.97

Rragavendaragul (talk) 10:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done Ah, finally, a source that seems to be aware that there are some questionable claims being made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:43, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kabali needs to be updated as 470cr (211 Cr domestic + 259 Cr overseas) based on the link. Excluded pre business from 650cr. http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/rajinikanth-kabali-box-office-collection-rs-650-crore-leaves-salman-khan-sultan-behind/ Pradoblaze (talk) 12:37, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pradoblaze, see This reference which casts serious doubt on any gross outside of the 309-350 crore range. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:46, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Farid184 (talk) 13:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Can you change the collection to Baahubali from 600 crore to 581 crore? Because Baahubali collected 581 crore not 600 crore.

Thank you!

Not done: This source estimates 600 crore broken into 518 crore domestic and 82 crore international. Your request is not supported by any references, and even if it were, you're suggesting what, that we change the value to better fit your worldview? Requesting that the data be presented as a range might be a little wiser. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:35, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The "List of Highest grossing Tamil films" says that Theri has raked in 200 crores,whereas this page says that it has only collected 156 crores. Please fix this.This was the movie's collection some 3 and half weeks after its release.The movie has managed 100 successful days in some theatres. I sincerely think that you should update the collections of the movie. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunkxip (talk • contribs) 18:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Arunkxip, at the time you posted this request, both pages (List of highest-grossing Tamil films, List of highest-grossing Indian films) reflected a 156 crore value for Theri, so I'm unclear about what you want changed, or what the references are that you want other editors to look at that would support a higher value. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:08, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In terms of Kabali,

Why is ibtimes.co.in more reliable source than indianexpress.com, indiatoday.in and www.financialexpress.com ?

indianexpress, indiatoday, and fincialexpress are also leading newspapers in india.

In that case, three sources talks about 600 crore, and only ibtimes talks about 350 crore.

3 source against 1 source Why you should prefere ibtimes.com ????

I´m waiting for a detailed explanation

so far ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:77:6F5F:D61D:C117:35C6:B407:1F5C (talk) 19:31, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming you haven't actually read the references, because you're missing some obvious red flags, but let's go down the list.

1. Wikipedia has no deadline. This is not a breaking news source, it is an encyclopedia. If we have to wait to get stable, believable numbers, then we will wait. We are under no obligation to maniacally report whatever the source-of-the-minute says, and if there is a maniacal push to update these numbers, that's even more reason to slow down.
2. Higher numbers ≠ more accurate numbers
3. You and I both know that there is rampant corruption in Indian film box office numbers and there is no "official" data. All numbers are estimates and all claims should be treated with skepticism and scrutiny.
4. There has already been a push by Kabali's marketing team to authenticate a 320 crore claim that was made by the producer several days ago. This was the reason why the article was protected. We don't regurgitate controversial claims made by producers or other primary sources, which would include their marketing departments, director statements, etc.
5. We're not here to sell tickets to Kabali.
6. I don't know which India Today reference you're talking about, but if you are referring to this one, there's no indication Indiatoday has vetted the content themselves. They attribute the source of the information to the Financial Express. They even acknowledge some doubt in the phrasing "If reports are to go by, Kabali has equalled the worldwide collections of Baahubali and surpassed Salman Khan's Sultan", i.e. "If we assume that the numbers are correct, then Kabali has performed thusly." Theirs is not an incontrovertible statement of fact.
7. This source from Financial Express is a slideshow, which is not a great reference because it's not a proper article. We don't know who wrote that. What if it was an intern with no journalistic experience? They're citing 650 crore, but they're obviously adding in the pre-release income, which is never a part of box office take. Box office take is always what is brought in during a theatrical run. We're not accountants here to tally all the various monies each film made from box office release, DVD sales, satellite rights, music rights, iTunes purchases, Netflix revenues, etc. We care about budget, we care about income during the theatrical release. This 645 claim by Financial Express has done the same thing. So at best, you'd have to subtract 200 crore from those values, including your 600 crore number.
8. Indian Express seems to be part of the same "Express Group" organization, so I don't see this as a unique references. Further, the source linked here also cites Financial Express as the source of their data, so the 650 crore claim has not been independently verified through them either. Thus we know that of the three sources you are attempting to push as the majority, all three contain data that originates from the same place, Financial Express. That's only one source, not three. And I'll go one further to ask rhetorically: who exactly is the author of the Financial Express articles that claim 650 crore? I don't see that any reporter has put their name on the line. Not a huge deal, as staff writers are commonplace, but it certainly raises red flags considering all the inconsistencies and questionable data.
9. Meanwhile, a named reporter from International Business Times has gone out of their way to describe these high numbers as flat-out fake, and has gotten estimates from two media analysts who feel the values are more in the 309-350 range.

So, based on all this information, the only thing we can say for sure is that the film has thus far grossed somewhere in the 309–350 crore range. Given that there are two estimates from IBT I've presented it as a range, but anything higher than that coming from Financial Express is suspect for the time being, and since (per point #1) we are under no obligation to keep up with the minute-by-minute claims, and since there is no deadline, we can wait until a number of sources get closer in agreement with their estimates. My suspicion is that Financial Express is republishing claims made by Kabali's marketing department without labeling it properly. This might also be why we're not seeing the names of specific reporters as we do here. That should answer your questions. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:00, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please update Kabali to 350 crore, i think this source shoud be fine

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-box-office-collection-rajinikanth-starrer-beats-7-big-records-baahubali-bahubali-688964 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:80:C516:201:8CB7:8088:2DC6:86AE (talk) 08:30, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

350 crore is already in the article. I'll add the reference if you like. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:44, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1)According to sources and official confirmation 24 grossed 156crore in 26 days(www.skylarkpictures.in, www.galaxyreporter.com, www.moviereviews.in, www.thecourierdaily.com, www.gackhollywood.com , www.onlookersmedia.in, www.iluvcinema.in) 2)according to confirmation made by Wikipedia theri grossed 175 crores,sivaji only 128 crores,vedalam 126 crores,kaththi124 crores,singam2 122 crores(www.Wikipedia.org) Athulnandu (talk) 10:24, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done - It's unclear what changes you want to be made. Please phrase your request in a "Please change X to Y" format, and please provide reliable sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Except International Business Times, till now there is no other source says Kabali Crosses 600 Cr. All other sources which says this collection, stating source is International Business Times. So suspect is there. IBT says one day it fails to break Bhagubali and Sultan and after two days they expressed it broke all records. How is it possible to beat, even if the film is not performing well third weeks of its release. Now the movie is running less theaters due to new releases and it is not possible to beat blockbusters like Bhagubali and Sultan even those third and fourth week's collection is same like second week whereas it does not workout in Kabali. Please verify all data from liable sources. The same V Creations declared their earlier project Theri crossed 100 crores in four days but after that they did not say anything about the total collection and Wikipedia does not have even estimated total value of the film's lifetime collection.

Now-a-days, saying the film crossed 100 crores in two or three days and it broke all previous records, etc is a market trick to promote the movie to run success in theaters. Kabali's pre-release business is around 200 crores included their BO records but it should not include as per calculation of BO business and that should be calculated in total business. Some sources provided about its fact related to prove the above description. Thanks.

http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news-gossip/rajinikanths-kabali-fails-to-break-salman-khans-sultan-baahubali-box-office-records/ http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-breaks-baahubali-records-fails-beat-sultan-collection-records-overseas-box-office-687856#5JVcAXFBgvwbjcHl.97 http://www.ibtimes.co.in/kabali-breaks-baahubali-records-fails-beat-sultan-collection-records-overseas-box-office-687856#PtuJAhb0lo5G6J25.97 http://www.koimoi.com/box-office/kabali-all-versions-fails-to-beat-the-opening-day-record-of-bahubali/ http://www.hollybollybuzz.com/news-gossip/rajinikanths-kabali-fails-to-break-salman-khans-sultan-baahubali-box-office-records/

Include 24 in the list of highest grossing tamil movies. It has grossed 100 crores at global box office.The reference is given below.Please refer to it and add it to the list ^[1]

Gauthamravichandran (talk) 12:37, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: Gauthamravichandran - Consensus determined that we're only interested in the top 10 films released in those languages. We already have 10 examples. If 24 surpasses Sivaji, feel free to make your request again. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has no deadline, why was this not applied for Sultan at ₹ 297.56 crore as per these ref's? ^[1][2][3]. If these ref's applies then Sultan has to be removed from both (Hindi films and India's top 15) the list as its yet to cross ₹ 300 crore. Thanks. --Pearll's Sun^TALK 14:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

pearll's sun, at the time the last change to Sultan was made, there wasn't a days-old conflict going on about its gross, with editors trying to force in content coming from the producer. That's the reason why the article was protected to begin with. The gross bloating is secondary to that. Further, I think this is a reading comprehension issue, since one of the sources you've provided, this, says "With the film set to gross Rs 300 crore in the domestic market" Directly underneath that paragraph is a link to another article, which reads "ALSO READ: Sultan box office collection- Salman-Anushka's film crosses the Rs 500-cr mark worldwide" If we go to that reference, "If Salman Khan and Anushka Sharma's latest release Sultan is galloping towards the Rs 300-crore mark in India, the film has already crossed the Rs 500-crore mark worldwide." Further, if we look at the slideshow you've linked to, on slide #4 it says that Sultan has grossed Rs 570.20 crore worldwide.

So what exact dispute or problem are you trying to illustrate here? The box office totals in this list should reflect worldwide box office totals, not domestic. Please be more circumspect about your questions. You're now asking questions that are not pertinent and that are distracting me from more fruitful pursuits. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:42, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is what i'm pointing to. Sultan collected ₹ 4.43 cr in Week 4, taking the 4-week total to ₹ 298.23 cr nett... All set to cross ₹ 300 cr in coming days... ATBB - 5 Aug 2016.. This person seems to a third party party movie critic and analyst. Does it only point to Domestic and not overall (including overseas)? Not urgent, Please reply when you find time. Thanks. --Pearll's Sun^TALK 16:12, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

pearll's sun - Again, I think this is a reading comprehension issue. Adarsh is tweeting about nett figures, not gross. He appears to be an analyst for BollywoodHungama, so note their expanded data. His tweet says ₹298.23 nett. As of this moment, Bollywood Hungama lists ₹298.23 nett in the domestic table. ₹418.27 crore is indicated as the domestic gross, and 580.37 crore is indicated as the worldwide gross. So still, no dispute. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:08, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

pearll's sun As i am an Indian and a movie geek taran adarsh movie critic working for Bollywood hungama is actually tweeting about it Indian version that too the nett collection. Worldwide is now 580 crores. To get through all your doubts and clarification i present to you the day wise break up it now. Pls check this source ^[1]. You can clearly see day wise, india and worldwide collections. Thanks. Ambeinghari (talk) 02:36, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

need to add the kabali in the Global gross figures as 14 before hte BANG BANG

15

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| style="background:#9fc;"|* Kabali | 2016 | Pa. Ranjith | Kalaipuli S. Thanu |₹309–350 crore (US$46–52 million) | ^[2][3] |-

Ksb1983 (talk) 18:26, 5 August 2016 (UTC) Global gross figures[reply]

please add the kabali in the global grossing indian movie list 2 | style="background:#9fc;"|* Kabali | 2016 | Pa. Ranjith | Kalaipuli S. Thanu |₹309–350 crore (US$46–52 million) | ^[2][3] |-

Not done for now: Seems to me the jury's still out on what Kabali made. Seems premature to assume the 350 figure is indisputable when IBT reported a range between 309 and 350. First Post also noted estimates in the low 300 range. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:43, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all films listed in the highest grossing Bollywood movies are manipulated, as different sources say diff values. Koimoi is been in for so many discussions whether its a reliable source or not. Boxoffice India is lot more accurate among all of these. There are huge difference between the collections which are mentioned in koimoi and boxoffice india. Almost 20-50crs. Need OPINIONS about this problem. As its an important page which states the highest grossing movies, we should do our best to improve and show more of a reliable source. Here is what i got. ^[1]. Its mentiones all highest grossing movies. Shall we replace koimoi sources which are unreliable with these above mentioned boxoffice india source. Expert Opinions and suggestions pls.......... Ambeinghari (talk) 05:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ambeinghari: For note, WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources has a list of sources for grosses that are considered reliable or unreliable. Koimoi is not considered reliable. Box Office India is considered reliable. Use that instead of Koimoi. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:54, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for reliable sources list. Will be helpful. Regards Ambeinghari (talk) 06:06, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to help. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if this has already been explained but I just wanted a clear consensus being made, after I see that Baahubali has been removed from the list of Tamil films. Are we concluding that Baahubali is a Telugu film only? — EelamStyleZ (talk) 18:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

EelamStyleZ - A clear consensus already exists here to include the film in the list of Tamil films, since it was simultaneously filmed in Telugu and Tamil. Rahmana4978 removed it without an explanation in this edit. Care to explain why, Rahmana1978? The list is not divided into precious ethnic film industries, rather, it is divided into languages. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:14, 6 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect that this will be like the multitudes of other editors who never comment or discuss their reasoning and just rabidly edit to get what they want or disappear until someone new comes later to argue the same thing. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:13, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for clarifying that. It's probably best to immediately revert controversial edits done without explanation. EelamStyleZ (talk) 04:40, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cyphoidbomb, well said. Its a dual language, Telugu and Tamil movie. --Pearll's Sun^TALK 15:11, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, Baahubali is a Telugu language film and not a bi-lingual made in Tamil as well. The film was promoted as an original Tamil film too, but if you watch the film, then you will see the Lip sync not matching in several scenes. As the film became a blockbuster in Tamil language, everyone forgot it as a dubbed film and even won many awards in original Tamil films category. My suggestion is that we should keep Baahubali as a Telugu film dubbed in other languages. In this case, it can be removed from the list of Tamil top grossers. ( Unfortunately I do not have any evidence to show it as a Tamil dubbed version ). Rajeshbieee (talk) 22:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]