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How should classify the film Baahubali? This is both for the main table and for whether it should be included in any of the subtables.

Tamil and Telugu

• Support both Tamil and Telugu as explained below. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• support per the multiple reliable sources Forbes to the Guardian to the Times of India to IBN to NDTV to The National which identify the film as bilingual Tamil / Telugu. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support for obvious reasons. The film was shot in both languages, there is no reason to deviate from reliable sources as a way to accommodate the fragile egos of a select group of readers. Elspamo4 (talk) 17:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Has been endlessly explained in above discussions. Cannolis (talk) 18:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support This is a fairly unique situation, in that two versions of the film were made at the same time. I think the film should be treated as both a Telugu and a Tamil film. I don't really get what the fuss is all about except maybe some hometown/language/culture pride? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support: A wide range of sources make it clear that the film was simultaneously produced in both languages. --Carnildo (talk) 02:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil only

Telugu only

• Support Telugu Only. Marchoctober (talk) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Baahubali is undoubtedly a Telugu movie which is simultaneously dubbed into Hindi,Tamil,English and French. How could it be in the list of highest grossing tamil movies? This is a blunder mistake on wikipedia, it must be verifed as soon as possibleJohnnyBlaze007 (talk) 16:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Its a telugu movie dubbed into another 4 languages. Ricky is behaving as a true Madrasi.175.101.16.161 (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Struck ethnic slur. Elspamo4 (talk) 17:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Marchoctober: @JohnnyBlaze007: @175.101.16.161: are there any sources or policies that support your position?

• Support Please go to the Wikipedia Page "Telugu Cinema". It doesn't mean films shot in Telugu, It actually means films produced by Tollywood. Similarly go to the page "Tamil Cinema" What it means is films shot in Kollywood. so if your intention is just to servce the technicality, your absolutely misleading people here. Baahubali is product of Telugu Cinema and I strongly support it to be mentioned only in the Field of Telugu. In the page of baahubali, it was anyway mentioned as Telugu & Tamil. But in the grossings we need to be careful not to mislead readersPradeeps369 (talk) 14:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Providing sources which say the film is from Telugu film industry and Telugu language: 1)www.bbc.com 2)theguardian.com 3)reuters.com 4) cnn.com 5) huffingtonpost 6)hindustantimes.com 7)timesofindia.indiatimes.com 8)ndtv.com 9)odishasuntimes.com 10)thehindu.com Marchoctober (talk) 18:53, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This News Article by TheGuardian.com which clearly mentions that the film is a Telugu movie and was made additionally in Tamil and dubbed into Hindi and Malayalam, but clearly states that it is a Telugu Movie. Marchoctober (talk) 19:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

• Baahubali: The Beginning was shot in both the Tamil and Telugu languages and then dubbed in various other languages. There is no disputing that amongst the sources. Rather than trying to figure out how much of a film constitutes a Tamil/Telugu (or Hindi or Punjabi)-"industry" film (based on actors/directors/producers/location shot), since it was shot in both Tamil and Telugu originally (and then dubbed elsewhere) it should be listed as both Tamil and Telugu language film. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It was removed from Tamil again with this misleading edit. I'm not in the mood to fight it anymore. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Telugu Only. Marchoctober (talk) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you elaborate? As noted above, this is not a vote so policy discussions would be preferable and I know that there's pages of the same arguments going in circles but it would be really helpful if you could put it in a short summary here as many people may not respond to every repeated discussion. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the sections

• Baahubali is a Bilingual
• Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Film_language_versus_industry
• Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Tamil_Films_misrepresenting_information

The above users all are biased users which is why I have started those sectionsMarchoctober (talk) 08:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, everyone is biased but you and everyone who agrees with you. They are so biased that you require multiple discussions and pages and tangents to not a point other than "it's insulting for it to be called a Tamil film." -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't know what to say. But, as per the trade is concerned, the Tamil version is lacking behind when compared to the remaining two major releases (Telugu and Hindi). If you want me to classify which language Baahubali belongs to, i would opt for a Telugu-Tamil bilingual. Because, the film's director S. S. Rajamouli told IANS — Given the budget of the film, it’s impossible to recover the cost involved if we release in one language. Right from the start, the plan was to make it as a Tamil-Telugu bilingual. Hence, we cast actors who are popular in both the industries. Here is the reference for the same.

When the director himself admits that Baahubali is a bilingual, i think that should be valued more than anything else. And, for all those who are concerned that Telugu cinema isn't getting its due recognition, i want to cite the case of Eega. That film, also a bilingual directed by Rajamouli, received acclaim mostly for its Telugu version. National Film Awards, Filmfare Awards South and all notable awards were received by the Telugu version only. In the case of Baahubali, Telugu cinema is being praised by the International media and fortunately, the same can be placed in the article and summarised in the lead provided the content is written neutrally.

So, i suggest this option — Specify Baahubali as an Indian bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu and Tamil. Next, specify in the poroduction section that Rajamouli planned it as a bilingual only to recover the cost involved which he found impossible if released in only one language. For all who are concerned for Telugu cinema recognition, please write the content from International magazines in a neutral way in the "Legacy" section. As per WP:LEAD the same would be summarised in the lead section where we can see a statement similar to "Due to the success of Baahubali, Telugu film industry was noted and praised by International magazines such as Forbes and The Guardian". Any one who does or does not support this may explain their arguments below. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 08:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly don't have objective criteria here. What do you mean that by "the Tamil version is lacking"? We aren't removing it from the Tamil language just because you personally don't think it was the best version, that's a nonsensical way to categorize things. And it's not about whether the Tamil industry "deserves" or doesn't recognition, it's about a single film and what's the best way to classify the films on this page (I'm starting to learn towards a delete all the subtables and just list films approach). And if you care about more about praising Telugu cinema than anything else, you're here for the wrong reasons. That's not the point of this page. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate Pavanjandhyala presenting reliable sources to qualify their statements, and they are certainly right in re-asserting that the film is bilingual, but I too share your sentiment regarding the mindset that a certain industry 'deserves praise'. This page is not for 'praising' a certain 'industry'. This isn't the scope of the page. This page has absolutely nothing to do with a film's industry. I am also in agreement that all subsections should be removed. Perhaps a new RFC should be started in the near future with regards to your proposal. Elspamo4 (talk) 09:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If that is the case, then here is my explanation. Baahubali is a bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu & Tamil and dubbed into Hindi in order to recover the making costs which is confirmed by its director in an interaction to IANS. There is no need to project it as only a Telugu film for the acclaim Telugu version has received because that shall not change just because the film is a bilingual. So i suggest that the film (includes both the parts) be mentioned as a bilingual one in the lead and mention in the Production section that this film was made as a bilingual to recover the making costs. What say? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this bizarro argument about only the Telugu version being acclaimed coming from? Are there sources that say that the Tamil version is horrid or something? It's literally the same film. No, that's not a solution as it entirely ignores the other language it was made in. Further, arguing about the reason a film was made in various language (again without providing sources) as a justification for how it should be categorized is again original research as if certain reasons (budget, financing, marketing) are good while others are not. The film was made in two languages. We should not be coming back here when the next film make in two languages (or three) [made, not dubbed that seems clear] to debate about what reasons it was made in those various languages, whether one language makes it "more" acclaimed than another or "more" amazing or whatever that accomplishes nothing here in terms of consistency and is just people here picking and choosing based on their personal interests. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

See. I provided the source in my first message here. If you missed it, here is the reference i quoted and it was not an original research as you say. With this, i can prove that Baahubali is a bilingual film. Coming to the acclaim problem, many websites such as Forbes and all mentioned the Telugu version of Baahubali in particular. This and the box office success of the film "as a whole" (i mean together in all languages) made a few quote that Baahubali is only a Telugu film. By stating the reason why this film was made as a bilingual, i want to make it clear that this is not just a Telugu film but a bilingual. Nothing else from my side. I'm done with it. What all can do after reading the content in that source carefully and this last message of mine here, please do the needy. I just wanted to make sure that the filmmaker's intention is clearly mentioned in the related articles (Baahubali: The Beginning, Production of Baahubali and Baahubali: The Conclusion) to avoid unnecessary confusions regarding the issue whether this is a bilingual or not. Thank you for letting me participate in this productive discussion and i think, its time i say good bye to this. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. How does "bilingual" = Telugu only? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

snide: It runs through the "industry" which squeezes all the Tamil out. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Db135: made these edits but I don't think that boxofficecapsule.com is a reliable source as defined at WP:RS. It's an unsourced blog and this page states that it's provided some unnamed, unexplained "scientific approach." -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:50, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

no it is not one of the accepted Box office sources. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Great. It's only the source for Bajrangi Bhaijaan (the one that was inflated to 437 and then repeated by the Guardian). Now I gotta fish out a better source. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:49, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good decision to Protecting the page - Yasir72.multan ^Talk _Contribs
15:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But it's the wrong one. Please take out the Tamil and put Telugu back at the top. (Redacted)

Of course it's The Wrong Version. No harm in it being that way for a few days while the community discusses how to proceed, and then change it as necessary. DMacks (talk) 21:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page had to be protected too. Seems to have calmed down some of the more 'attentive' editors here. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is an incorrect reference to Bajrangi Bhaijaan. The reference states the gross as 413 crores whereas in Wiki it gets translated to 437 crores. Inspiredrighteous (talk) 16:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

•  Verified Verified that source says 413 crores. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks EvergreenFir. This also means the movie should move down one spot, correct? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@NeilN: 2 spots I think. Move from 3rd to 5th. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Ah, there are two tables. Modified both. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The prior source ([1]) is a blog with no evidence for their numbers (I'd just kill for a name of the blogger) so I revised it down to 400 based on this source. My talk page is already getting fun so I await the arguments in the morning. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:32, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please add Attarintiki Daredi to list Highest grossing Telugu films. Source: "South India dominates regional language film industry: report". Business Standard. 2 April 2014.

And correct source for Lai Bhaari from Highest grossing Marathi films. First version was "Bollywood goes local, eyes Marathi cinema". Hindustan Times. 23 September 2014.

Sudzuki Erina (talk) 09:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is some content about Malayalam films that should be merged here. this version of the language list contains the three films with values that I could validate. Twenty:20 (film) probably belongs in the list as well, but I could not find an english language source that had appropriate numbers. (Earlier versions of that list contain more items, but many of the items have unusable sources, the sources don't say anything about the box office gross or the wikipedia article misrepresented the value that the source stated.) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 17:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I'll post a request at the Indian cinema taskforce as well. It'd be helpful if they would convince people that hourly updates aren't going to happen and to use reliable sources. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 22:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

thanks! -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 23:07, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please change sources for Magadheera and Race Gurram to properly executed "2nd Saturday Box Office Collection: Baahubali Beats Endhiran's Lifetime Record in 9 Days". International Business Times. 19 July 2015. --Sudzuki Erina (talk) 09:03, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That article admits that those are estimates and is just repeating its numbers from this site which I'm really questioning. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:56, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK. But that article (incorrect framed) is used now in Highest grossing Telugu films for Magadheera and Race Gurram. --Sudzuki Erina (talk) 11:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DEADLINE lol. We'll fix these things eventually. - Ricky81682 (talk) 19:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]