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== RfC: How should we classify Baahubali ==

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How should classify the film Baahubali? This is both for the main table and for whether it should be included in any of the subtables.

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=== Tamil and Telugu ===

* '''Support''' both Tamil and Telugu as explained below. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''support''' per the multiple reliable sources [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/07/14/indias-baahubali-destroys-box-office-records-is-china-next/ Forbes] to [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/26/baahubali-film-bollywood-tamil-telugu-language the Guardian] to the [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/telugu/movies/news/Rajamouli-goes-digital-for-Bahubali/articleshow/20784393.cms Times of India] to [http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/watch-the-making-of-ss-rajamoulis-baahubali-646706.html IBN] to [http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/baahubali-a-250-cr-film-is-being-compared-to-hollywood-blockbuster-300-775066 NDTV] to [http://www.thenational.ae/arts-lifestyle/film/tollywood-epic-baahubali-to-be-most-expensive-indian-film-ever The National] which identify the film as bilingual Tamil / Telugu. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 12:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' for obvious reasons. The film was shot in both languages, there is no reason to deviate from reliable sources as a way to accommodate the fragile egos of a select group of readers. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 17:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. Has been endlessly explained in above discussions. [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 18:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' This is a fairly unique situation, in that two versions of the film were made at the same time. I think the film should be treated as both a Telugu and a Tamil film. I don't really get what the fuss is all about except maybe some hometown/language/culture pride? [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 19:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''': A wide range of sources make it clear that the film was simultaneously produced in both languages. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 02:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''', since this is not only what independent sources tell us, it's what the producer has stated (it was produced bilingually because a monolingual approach could not have recouped the production costs). See the [[#Discussion]] section for sources. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 02:38, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

=== Tamil only ===

=== Telugu only ===

* '''Support''' Telugu Only. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

**Why? [[WP:JUSTAVOTE]] will be ignored by the closer. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 02:39, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Baahubali is undoubtedly a Telugu movie which is simultaneously dubbed into Hindi,Tamil,English and French. How could it be in the list of highest grossing tamil movies? This is a blunder mistake on wikipedia, it must be verifed as soon as possible[[User:JohnnyBlaze007|JohnnyBlaze007]] ([[User talk:JohnnyBlaze007|talk]]) 16:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Its a telugu movie dubbed into another 4 languages. <s>Ricky is behaving as a true Madrasi.</s>[[Special:Contributions/175.101.16.161|175.101.16.161]] ([[User talk:175.101.16.161|talk]]) 16:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:<small>Struck ethnic slur. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 17:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</small>

:::{{ping|Marchoctober}} {{ping|JohnnyBlaze007}} {{ping|175.101.16.161}} are there any sources or policies that support your position?

* '''Support''' Please go to the Wikipedia Page "Telugu Cinema". It doesn't mean films shot in Telugu, It actually means films produced by Tollywood. Similarly go to the page "Tamil Cinema" What it means is films shot in Kollywood. so if your intention is just to servce the technicality, your absolutely misleading people here. Baahubali is product of Telugu Cinema and I strongly support it to be mentioned only in the Field of Telugu. In the page of baahubali, it was anyway mentioned as Telugu & Tamil. But in the grossings we need to be careful not to mislead readers[[User:Pradeeps369|Pradeeps369]] ([[User talk:Pradeeps369|talk]]) 14:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Many films from Tamil like Enthiran, Indian, Singham, Shivaji ... were shot simultaneously in both Tamil and Telugu but, being considered as Tamil films. Though Bahubali - The Beginning has Tamil version its a Telugu film only. Will anyone consider those films as Telugu films? Enthiran bagged 2 national awards and many other awards, but it didn't get nominated to atleast one section of Telugu cinema awards like Nandi, film fare-Telugu and other. It is obviously telling that which way should one follow. [[User:Political Cricketer|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting;color:gold">'''PK'''</span>]]^{[[User talk:Political Cricketer|<span style="color:red"> talk</span>]]} 10:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Tamil films like Enthiran/Robo, I, Indian, Singham, Shivaji ... were shot simultaneously in both Tamil and Telugu but, being considered as Tamil films. In all Telugu versions of the above films, no where you will find letters in Tamil but you will find them in Telugu only. Some portions of these movies are re-shoot to suit Telugu audience. Similarly, Bahubali - The Beginning is a Telugu film only and some portions are re-shoot to suit Tamil audience. If we add the gross earnings from all the versions including dubbed languages, how can we give a particular film a Tamil only or Telugu only film. Either we need to include a single language from where it has originated like Bahubali from Telugu language or include all the languages in which the movie was released including dubbed languages [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/12/baahubali-the-beginning-review-fantastic-bang-for-your-buck-in-most-expensive-'indian-movie-ever-made The Guardian]. If Bahubali is included in the list of highest grossing Tamil movies list, then why wasn't Eega movie included in Tamil list as it was also produced in Tamil along with Telugu version simultaneously? Because it is not in the top of the list? Everyone wants to take credit if we are successful. And why was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Eega ] movie got National Award for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Best Feature Film in Telugu] even though it is produced simultaneously in Tamil also? So, it is better to include Bahubali only in the Telugu list. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 11:39, 2 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

* '''Support''' Certainly it is a telugu movie and not telugu and tamil. The movie is shot primarily by telugu and for global audience. Due to the market similarities, and for revenue making purposes some shots were shot twice while rest is dubbed. This is a common practice and even tamil films are shot twice for lip sync purposes or add specific scenes with telugu or the target market actros to make it more marketable. For example, I or Robo have added mixed tracks and that doesnt mean they are telugu films. [[User:Srikrishnak|srikrishnak]] ([[User talk:Srikrishnak|talk]]) 07:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' It is primarily a Telugu movie and shot with few scenes in tamil that doesn't mean it is a tamil movie. Here bilingualism is not the issue. '''while mentioning in the grossing list you should consider production and from which language the film originated not bilingualism.''' '''I have 4 instances to classify it as a Telugu movie and remove from the tamil list. The production is from a Telugu production house and not even single from tamil is involved in it. The story, script, direction, music, cinematography etc... almost entire crew is from Telugu film industry including cast. If we look at the release almost 75% released in Telugu version and (Hindi dubbed version(from Telugu)) and the rest is from others. In the collections almost 80% is from Telugu and Hindi dubbed version. Also only some scenes were shot in tamil for tamil audience and the rest is dubbed in Tamil.'''

But to classify it as a tamil film they have only one instance ie. stating it as a bilingual film which is actually not as Tamil version has some dubbed scenes.

'''For all those who are mentioning baahubali as a bilingual i'm asking is the story, script and direction is from both telugu and tamil directors? not at all It's only from Telugu director and writer alone. Is the production house is from tamil? If you check the gross collections then look how much tamil version has collected nearly 15%. Then why are you including the movie in tamil list by adding other version collections 80% into it although it is not primarily a tamil movie. simply don't state bilingual as a reason.'''

In the gross box office list, will you look at the language or the production and collections?

In Hollywood if an English movie is also shot in French it is regarded as an hollywood movie not french movie. In the collections it will be listed in english list not in the french list similarly is the case of baahubali it should be included only in telugu list not in tamil. So remove it from tamil list.

[[User:Padukati raju|Padukati raju]] ([[User talk:Padukati raju|talk]]) 06:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Providing sources which say the film is from Telugu film industry and Telugu language:

[http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33503057 1)www.bbc.com]

[http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road 2)theguardian.com]

[http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2015/07/28/bollywood-bahubali-hollywood-films-box-office/ 3)reuters.com]

[http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/11/asia/baahubali-south-india-epic-movie/ 4) cnn.com]

[http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/06/29/baahubali-sets-world-reco_n_7684384.html 5) huffingtonpost]

[http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional/baahubali-dialogue-promo-don-t-miss-this-fiery-face-off/article1-1364175.aspx 6)hindustantimes.com]

[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/entertainment/regional/telugu/Telugu-Film-Baahubali-claims-to-have-set-record-with-worlds-largest-poster/videoshow/47882192.cms 7)timesofindia.indiatimes.com]

[http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/rajinikanth-hasnt-visited-baahubali-set-yet-says-s-s-rajamouli-638892 8)ndtv.com]

[http://odishasuntimes.com/2015/05/21/karan-johar-praises-baahubali-the-beginning/ 9)odishasuntimes.com]

[http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/grandiose-subject-takes-heart-says-baahubali-vfx-director/article7342352.ece 10)thehindu.com] [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 18:53, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

'''This News Article by [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road TheGuardian.com which clearly mentions that the film is a Telugu movie and was made additionally in Tamil and dubbed into Hindi and Malayalam, but clearly states that it is a Telugu Movie.]''' [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 19:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

=== Discussion ===

* ''[[Baahubali: The Beginning]]'' was shot in both the Tamil and Telugu languages and then dubbed in various other languages. There is no disputing that amongst the sources. Rather than trying to figure out how much of a film constitutes a Tamil/Telugu (or Hindi or Punjabi)-"industry" film (based on actors/directors/producers/location shot), since it was shot in both Tamil and Telugu originally (and then dubbed elsewhere) it should be listed as both Tamil and Telugu language film. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' It was removed from Tamil again with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=673262569&oldid=673261315 this misleading] edit. I'm not in the mood to fight it anymore. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 06:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

'''Support''' Telugu Only. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

: Can you elaborate? As noted above, this is not a vote so policy discussions would be preferable and I know that there's pages of the same arguments going in circles but it would be really helpful if you could put it in a short summary here as many people may not respond to every repeated discussion. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::Please see the sections

*[[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Baahubali_is_a_Bilingual|Baahubali is a Bilingual]]

* [[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Film_language_versus_industry]]

*[[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Tamil_Films_misrepresenting_information]]

The above users all are biased users which is why I have started those sections[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:: Yes, everyone is biased but you and everyone who agrees with you. They are so biased that you require multiple discussions and pages and tangents to not a point other than "it's insulting for it to be called a Tamil film." -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

'''Comment'''

I don't know what to say. But, as per the trade is concerned, the Tamil version is lacking behind when compared to the remaining two major releases (Telugu and Hindi). If you want me to classify which language ''Baahubali'' belongs to, i would opt for a Telugu-Tamil bilingual. Because, the film's director [[S. S. Rajamouli]] told [[Indo-Asian News Service|IANS]] {{mdash}} {{xt|Given the budget of the film, it’s impossible to recover the cost involved if we release in one language. '''Right from the start, the plan was to make it as a Tamil-Telugu bilingual.''' Hence, we cast actors who are popular in both the industries.}} Here is the [http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-is-tribute-to-indian-epic-mahabharat-filmmaker-s-s-rajamouli/ reference] for the same.

When the director himself admits that ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual, i think that should be valued more than anything else. And, for all those who are concerned that Telugu cinema isn't getting its due recognition, i want to cite the case of ''[[Eega]]''. That film, also a bilingual directed by Rajamouli, received acclaim mostly for its Telugu version. National Film Awards, Filmfare Awards South and all notable awards were received by the Telugu version only. In the case of ''Baahubali'', Telugu cinema is being praised by the International media and fortunately, the same can be placed in the article and summarised in the lead provided the content is written neutrally.

So, i suggest this option {{mdash}} Specify ''Baahubali'' as an Indian bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu and Tamil. Next, specify in the poroduction section that Rajamouli planned it as a bilingual only to recover the cost involved which he found impossible if released in only one language. For all who are concerned for Telugu cinema recognition, please write the content from International magazines in a neutral way in the "Legacy" section. As per [[WP:LEAD]] the same would be summarised in the lead section where we can see a statement similar to "Due to the success of ''Baahubali'', Telugu film industry was noted and praised by International magazines such as Forbes and The Guardian". Any one who does or does not support this may explain their arguments below. [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 08:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:: You clearly don't have objective criteria here. What do you mean that by "the Tamil version is lacking"? We aren't removing it from the Tamil language just because you personally don't think it was the best version, that's a nonsensical way to categorize things. And it's not about whether the Tamil industry "deserves" or doesn't recognition, it's about a single film and what's the best way to classify the films on this page (I'm starting to learn towards a delete all the subtables and just list films approach). And if you care about more about praising Telugu cinema than anything else, [[WP:RGW|you're here for the wrong reasons]]. That's not the point of this page. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:::I appreciate Pavanjandhyala presenting reliable sources to qualify their statements, and they are certainly right in re-asserting that the film is bilingual, but I too share your sentiment regarding the mindset that a certain industry 'deserves praise'. This page is not for 'praising' a certain 'industry'. This isn't the scope of the page. This page has absolutely nothing to do with a film's industry. I am also in agreement that all subsections should be removed. Perhaps a new RFC should be started in the near future with regards to your proposal. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 09:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::If that is the case, then here is my explanation. ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu & Tamil and dubbed into Hindi in order to recover the making costs which is confirmed by its director in an interaction to IANS. There is no need to project it as only a Telugu film for the acclaim Telugu version has received because that shall not change just because the film is a bilingual. So i suggest that the film (includes both the parts) be mentioned as a bilingual one in the lead and mention in the Production section that this film was made as a bilingual to recover the making costs. What say? [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 09:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::: Where is this bizarro argument about only the Telugu version being acclaimed coming from? Are there sources that say that the Tamil version is horrid or something? It's literally the same film. No, that's not a solution as it entirely ignores the other language it was made in. Further, arguing about the ''reason'' a film was made in various language (again without providing sources) as a justification for how it should be categorized is again [[WP:OR|original research]] as if certain reasons (budget, financing, marketing) are good while others are not. The film was made in two languages. We should not be coming back here when the next film make in two languages (or three) [made, not dubbed that seems clear] to debate about what reasons it was made in those various languages, whether one language makes it "more" acclaimed than another or "more" amazing or whatever that accomplishes nothing here in terms of consistency and is just people here picking and choosing based on their personal interests. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::::See. I provided the source in my first message here. If you missed it, [http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-is-tribute-to-indian-epic-mahabharat-filmmaker-s-s-rajamouli/ here] is the reference i quoted and it was not an original research as you say. With this, i can prove that ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual film. Coming to the acclaim problem, many websites such as Forbes and all mentioned the Telugu version of ''Baahubali'' in particular. This and the box office success of the film "as a whole" (i mean together in all languages) made a few quote that ''Baahubali'' is only a Telugu film. By stating the reason why this film was made as a bilingual, i want to make it clear that this is not just a Telugu film but a bilingual. Nothing else from my side. I'm done with it. What all can do after reading the content in that source carefully and this last message of mine here, please do the needy. I just wanted to make sure that the filmmaker's intention is clearly mentioned in the related articles (Baahubali: The Beginning, Production of Baahubali and Baahubali: The Conclusion) to avoid unnecessary confusions regarding the issue whether this is a bilingual or not. Thank you for letting me participate in this productive discussion and i think, its time i say good bye to this. [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 09:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::::: I'm confused. How does "bilingual" = Telugu only? -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 10:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::::::<small>snide: It runs through the "industry" which squeezes all the Tamil out. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 18:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</small>

{{collapse top|Stay on the topic of arguing your viewpoints as attacking other users will not end well for you. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)}}

::::Biased edits from each user:

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673195522&oldid=673195445|diff1 user the red pen of doom]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673265324&oldid=673264595|diff2 user Ricky81682]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673271935&oldid=673271160|diff3 user Elspamo4]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673190331&oldid=673189412|diff4 user Cannolis]]

Each of the above edits show their support of Tamil language let us suppose these are all fair, but why have they not undone [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673266978&oldid=673265430 these] edits if they are all fair ? Inspite of seeing this information being discussed on talk page also ?? This proves their Biased nature. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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:::::::::Given that it's conclusively proven to have been a bilingual production from the start, I guess this will be a textbook example of why a closer should look at rationales and ignore the head-count of "votes". LOL. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 10:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

If Bahubali is included in the list of highest grossing Tamil movies list, then why wasn't Eega movie included in Tamil list as it was also produced in Tamil along with Telugu version simultaneously? Because it is not in the top of the list? And why was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Eega ] movie got National Award for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Best Feature Film in Telugu] only even though it was produced simultaneously in Tamil and the content of both the movies are same? It is because Indian film awards are given only for the language in which the movie is originally made. Since Eega was not an original Tamil movie, it didn't get any award in Tamil language category. Same is the case with Bahubali. It's a original Telugu movie and when it receives any awards, it will receive the awards only in the category of Telugu language and not for Tamil language. So, it is better to include Bahubali only in the Telugu list. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 15:20, 3 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==== Section break ====

Let me put a small break here. The point is Wikipedia categorizes Indian films by ''language'' not by so-called industry. Evidence can be seen by [[:Category:Indian films by language]]. Now, they could be misinterpreted as the same except we have '''[[English-language Indian films]]'''. The basis for inclusion there is the (primary) language in which the film was shot. There is no English-language Indian film "industry" place/populace whatever that would let us classify other films as in or out of this category other than by simple language. For the same reason, we should be classifying Baahubali as both Tamil and Telugu because it was shot in those language rather than using some personal opinions from editors as to whether a film has "sufficient" amounts of a particular film industry to be classified under that industry. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 23:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

It's completely biased editing on part of the administrator Ricky81682|Ricky81682], who is biased to make Bahubali to give Tamil color. Bahubali was maintained as Telugu movie until the gross collections of Bahubali didn't cross the gross collections of highest grossing Tamil movie "Enthiran". When Bahubali grossed more than Enthiran, they made it as both Telugu and Tamil movie. Why no explanations were given for "Eega/Naan Ee" movie, for which I have given lot of explanation above? When "Eega/Naan Ee" was produced simultaneously in Telugu and Tamil but considered Telugu only movie then how come Bahubali will be considered both Telugu and Tamil movie? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 10:52, 4 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Please change sources for ''[[Magadheera]]'' and ''[[Race Gurram]]'' to properly executed {{cite web|url=http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-beats-endhirans-lifetime-box-office-record-639747|title=2nd Saturday Box Office Collection: Baahubali Beats Endhiran's Lifetime Record in 9 Days|date=19 July 2015|work=International Business Times}}

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: That article admits that those are estimates and is just repeating its numbers from [http://andhraboxoffice.com/info.aspx?id=789&cid=6&fid=26 this site] which I'm really questioning. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:56, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

:: OK. But that article (incorrect framed) is used now in Highest grossing Telugu films for ''[[Magadheera]]'' and ''[[Race Gurram]]''. --[[User:Sudzuki Erina|Sudzuki Erina]] ([[User talk:Sudzuki Erina|talk]]) 11:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

::: [[WP:DEADLINE]] lol. We'll fix these things eventually. - [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 19:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

::::Is there support for this change? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

::::: No, this falls back under an example where a potential source is citing a known unreliable source (andhraboxoffice.com). There's a discussion at WP:RSN about this actual issue as some people think that if possibly (or known) reliable source rely on something, that should be sufficient to consider that source reliable. I disagree however. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:16, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

::* Removed from article now. I wish the Indian cinema page or someone had an interest in discussing these sources rather than me just talking to myself repeatedly it seems. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:25, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

== Collecion Update ==

Please update baahubali collections to 462 crores. <ref>http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-bahubali-3rd-week-box-office-collection-prabhas-film-grosses-462-crore-21-days-641133</ref>[[User:Aloosamosa|Aloosamosa]] ([[User talk:Aloosamosa|talk]]) 12:43, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

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: It's 500 now. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:12, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

== Updating of Baahubali's gross! ==

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-bahubali-3rd-week-box-office-collection-prabhas-film-grosses-462-crore-21-days-641133

Please update Baahubali's gross to 462 crores- Thx a lot! Nyankitty5023 <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nyankitty5023|Nyankitty5023]] ([[User talk:Nyankitty5023|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nyankitty5023|contribs]]) 21:01, 1 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Highest-grossing Malayalam films ==

Please update the gross of [[Drishyam]] as 60 cr. [http://www.webcitation.org/6ZTX5babE] [[User:Josephjames.me|Josephjames.me]] ([[User talk:Josephjames.me|talk]]) 12:33, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Also, please add the gross of [[Twenty:20 (film)|Twenty:20]] as 32 cr. [http://www.webcitation.org/6ZTX5babE] [[User:Josephjames.me|Josephjames.me]] ([[User talk:Josephjames.me|talk]]) 12:42, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

:Support the update of Drishyam to 60 cr - the source is a valid major newspaper speaking in its own voice. Do not support the Twenty:20 as it is just the director speaking in terms that he himself qualifies "if one believes the trades". -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 13:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

::Hey TheRedPenOfDoom! I've made a table from whatever data was available. Please make me know of the corrections. There a few more films for which I have not been able to find a reliable source. I shall try to add them as soon as possible. Thanks! [[User:Josephjames.me|Josephjames.me]] ([[User talk:Josephjames.me|talk]]) 13:50, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="margin:auto; margin:auto;"

! Movie

! Year

! Studio(s)

! Net Gross

! Source

|-

| ''[[Drishyam]]''

| 2013

| [[Aashirvad Cinemas]]

| {{INRConvert|60|c}}

|<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bangaloremirror.com/entertainment/south-masala/Is-Drishyam-Malayalam-cinemas-biggest-hit-Jeethu-answers/articleshow/45514783.cms|title=Is Drishyam, Malayalam cinema's biggest hit? Jeethu answers|date=14 December 2014|publisher=''[[Bangalore Mirror]]''}}</ref>

|-

| ''[[Bangalore Days]]''

| 2014

| [[Anwar Rasheed|Anwar Rasheed Entertainment]]

| {{INRConvert|50|c}}

| <ref name="2014BO">{{cite news|url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/chunk-ht-ui-homepage-entertainment/2014-when-little-gems-outclassed-big-guns-in-southern-cinema/article1-1298300.aspx|title=2014: When little gems outclassed big guns in southern cinema |date=19 December 2014 |accessdate=12 January 2015|newspaper=[[Hindustan Times]]}}</ref>

|-

|-span style="background:#b6fcb6; width:50px; border:1px solid #aaa;"

| style="background-color:#9FC"|* ''[[Premam]]''

| 2015

| Anwar Rasheed Entertainment

| {{INRConvert|38|c}} <small>(Kerala only)</small>

| <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ibtimes.co.in/premam-50-days-box-office-collection-nivin-pauly-starrer-earns-rs-38-crore-kerala-639825|title='Premam' 50 Days Box Office Collection: Nivin Pauly Starrer Earns Rs 38 Crore in Kerala|date=20 July 2015|work=International Business Times, India Edition}}</ref>

|-

| ''[[Twenty:20 (film)|Twenty:20]]''

| 2008

| [[Association of Malayalam Movie Artists|AmmA]], [[Graand Production]]

| {{INRConvert|31.4|c}}

| <ref>{{cite news| url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/business-of-bollywood/malayalam-movies-non-linear-narratives-are-making-the-box-office-ring-louder/articleshow/8478136.cms | work= [[The Economic Times|Economic Times]] | title= Non-linear narratives are making the box office ring louder | date=21 May 2011}}</ref>

|-

| ''[[Classmates (2006 film)|Classmates]]''

| 2006

| Arya Films

| {{INRConvert|23|c}}

| <ref>{{cite news|title=Films to watch out for in 2015|url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/marathi/movies/Marathi-films-to-watch-out-for-in-2015/photostory/45740983.cms|newspaper=[[The Times of India]]}}</ref>

|-

| ''[[Oru Vadakkan Selfie]]''

| 2015

| Cast N' Crew

| {{INRConvert|21|c}}

| <ref>{{cite news|title=Box-Office Collection: 'Premam', 'Oru Vadakkan Selfie' Success Makes Nivin Pauly Ultimate Winner of Malayalam Cinema 2015|url=http://www.ibtimes.co.in/box-office-collection-premam-oru-vadakkan-selfie-success-makes-nivin-pauly-ultimate-winner-637111|newspaper=[[International Business Times]]|author=Nicy|date=25 June 2015}}</ref>

|-

| ''[[Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja (film)|Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja]]''

| 2009

| [[Sree Gokulam Films]]

| {{INRConvert|20|c}}

| <ref>{{cite web|archivedate=1 February 2014|archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20140201184736/http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/pazhassi-raja-to-be-shown-at-tokyo-film-festival-52284|url=http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/pazhassi-raja-to-be-shown-at-tokyo-film-festival-52284|title=Pazhassi Raja to be shown at Tokyo Film Festival|publisher=[[NDTV]]|date=15 September 2010}}</ref>{{efn|On Aug 31, 2011, Times of India had reported that the film grossed as high as a sum close to {{INRConvert|49|c}}.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-31/news-interviews/29949007_1_pazhassi-raja-epic-mammootty |title=Hariharan- MT Vasudevan prepare for Randamoozham |last=Vipin|first=Vipin|date=2011-08-31|publisher=[[The Times of India]]|accessdate=6 February 2014}}</ref> However, the NDTV report has been taken.}}

|-

| ''[[Mayamohini]]''

| 2012

| Color Factory

| {{INRConvert|20|c}}

| <ref name="2001ETR">{{cite news| url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/business-of-bollywood/malayalam-movies-non-linear-narratives-are-making-the-box-office-ring-louder/articleshow/8478136.cms | work= [[The Economic Times|Economic Times]] | title= Non-linear narratives are making the box office ring louder | date=21 May 2011}}</ref>

|-

| ''[[Vellimoonga]]''

| 2014

| Ullattil Visual Media

| {{INRConvert|20|c}}

| <ref name="2014BO" />

|-

| ''[[Christian Brothers (film)|Christian Brothers]]''

| 2011

| AVA Productions, Varnachithra Big Screen

| {{INRConvert|17.4|c}}

| <ref name="2001ETR" />

|-

| ''[[Bhaskar the Rascal]]''

| 2015

| Anto Joseph Film Company

| {{INRConvert|17|c}}

| <ref>{{cite web|title=6 Box Office Hits Of Malayalam Cinema 2015|url=http://www.filmibeat.com/malayalam/news/2015/6-box-office-hits-of-malayalam-cinema-2015-188832.html|publisher=Filmibeat.com|date=30 June 2015|author=Akhila Menon|accessdate=2 July 2015}}</ref>

|}

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for starters, you have cited [http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/business-of-bollywood/malayalam-movies-non-linear-narratives-are-making-the-box-office-ring-louder/articleshow/8478136.cms] for '''two''' of the films in your list, but as far as I can see that source does not provide box office figures for ANY film. Did you copy and paste from the stand alone article? -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 14:07, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

::It is given in a photo in the article. [http://img.etimg.com/photo/8478166/malayalam-movies.jpg] [[User:Josephjames.me|Josephjames.me]] ([[User talk:Josephjames.me|talk]]) 14:17, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

::: "Source: Industry"? That's a little odd but the Economic Times is a reliable source I guess. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

* All done. If there are concerns about a particular source, we can discuss. The only issue is that the article now has 11 sources for this language. Any objections to cutting it to an even ten? -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:24, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

=== Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja ===

There's two separate numbers listed for [[Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja]]: [http://web.archive.org/web/20140201184736/http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/pazhassi-raja-to-be-shown-at-tokyo-film-festival-52284] alleging 20 crore and [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/regional/news-interviews/Hariharan-MT-Vasudevan-prepare-for-Randamoozham/articleshow/9807050.cms?referral=PM] alleging 49 crore in an off-hand comment. Rather than the note, we should look into it with more detail. It seems like the Times piece may not be reliable for ''this'' citation since that result would make it the third-highest film, something that nothing else seems to agree with. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 10:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

== Bahubali should be included in Telugu movies list only ==

Bahubali is a Telugu movie and some portions of the movie are re-shoot to suit the Tamil audience. How can we list it in Highest Grossing Tamil movies list? If you take the case of Enthiran/Robo, I, Shivaji, etc., lot of portions of the movies are re-shoot to suit Telugu audience. Do we need to include those movies in the list of Highest grossing Telugu movies? These movies are not straight away dubbed versions(Telugu) of original movies(Tamil) but modified to suit Telugu audience. Same is the case with Bahubali. Bahubali is originally a Telugu movie and some portions are re-shoot for Tamil audience. Please remove "Bahubali" from Tamil movies list.

Otherwise, if we show total gross earnings from all languages(including dubbed languages), how can we show them separately as Tamil, Telugu, Hindi or Malayalam movies? If that is the case, please include all the languages in which the movie was released originally including dubbed languages.

If Bahubali is included in the list of highest grossing Tamil movies list, then why wasn't Eega movie included in Tamil list as it was also produced in Tamil along with Telugu version simultaneously? Because it is not in the top of the list? Everyone wants to take credit if we are successful. And why was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Eega ] movie got National Award for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Best Feature Film in Telugu] only even though it is produced simultaneously in Tamil also and content of both the movies are same? So, it is better to include Bahubali only in the Telugu list. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 03:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Update the collection of Bajrangi Bhaijaan. It has crossed 500 cr Worldwide.<ref>http://www.indicine.com/movies/bollywood/bajrangi-bhaijaan-day-16-box-office-collections-and-3rd-sunday-update/</ref>

<ref>http://www.koimoi.com/box-office-verdict-bollywoods-top-worldwide-grossers/</ref>

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=== Collection update of Bajrangi Bhaijaan ===

Update the collection of Bajrangi Bhaijaan. It has crossed 540 cr Worldwide. Here is the evidence...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/04/despite-weekend-slowdown-indias-bajrangi-bhaijaan-treks-to-540-crore-84-2m-worldwide

<ref>http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/04/despite-weekend-slowdown-indias-bajrangi-bhaijaan-treks-to-540-crore-84-2m-worldwide/</ref>

kindly update collections. {{unsigned|Bibsomania}}

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Baahubali grossed Rs. 500 Crores - Forbes Magazine

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[[User:Harshasg|Harshasg]] ([[User talk:Harshasg|talk]]) 05:20, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

: Done. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

== Ext links ==

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It is generally the case that there is no ==Ext links== header if there are no links even if there are templates. [[Special:Contributions/203.109.161.2|203.109.161.2]] ([[User talk:203.109.161.2|talk]]) 06:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

: Done. You're right. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Change the grossing of "Baahubali:The Beginning" to 500 crores.<ref>http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/baahubali-in-rs-500cr-club/article7498417.ece</ref>

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[[User:Gourabgggg|Gourabgggg]] ([[User talk:Gourabgggg|talk]]) 07:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

: <s>Please provide a reliable source.</s> -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:58, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

:: Sorry, didn't see your link for some reason. Done. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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== [[Bajrangi Bhaijaan]] ==

=== Collection update of Bajrangi Bhaijaan ===

Update the collection of Bajrangi Bhaijaan. It has crossed 540 cr Worldwide. Here is the evidence...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/04/despite-weekend-slowdown-indias-bajrangi-bhaijaan-treks-to-540-crore-84-2m-worldwide

<ref>http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/04/despite-weekend-slowdown-indias-bajrangi-bhaijaan-treks-to-540-crore-84-2m-worldwide/</ref>

kindly update collections.

== [[Baahubali]] ==

=== Collection update of Baahubali ===

Update the collection of Baahubali. It has crossed 500 cr Worldwide. Here is the evidence...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/02/indias-baahubali-blasts-past-500-crore-78-million-worldwide

<ref>http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/02/indias-baahubali-blasts-past-500-crore-78-million-worldwide/</ref>

kindly update collections.

thanks..

: Done. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

== Errors ==

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There is no an error at the foor of the page. [[Special:Contributions/203.109.161.2|203.109.161.2]] ([[User talk:203.109.161.2|talk]]) 09:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

: Fixed. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 10:09, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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The movie Bhajrangi Bhaijaan, as of now not grossed Rs.540 crores. No main stream Indian media reported so. Till tuesday, as per most Indian news portals the movie grossed only Rs.294 crore and is nearing Rs.300 crore mark.<ref>http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/salman-khans-bajrangi-bhaijaan-emerges-as-second-highest-grosser-mints-rs-292-23-crore-in-india/</ref> <ref>http://www.ibtimes.co.in/bajrangi-bhaijaan-18-day-box-office-collection-salman-starrer-cross-rs-300-crore-mark-will-it-641564</ref><ref>http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/bajrangi-bhaijaan-box-office-collection-with-rs-283-crore-salman-khan-starrer-all-time-blockbuster-earnings-money-baahubali-ss-rajamouli-prabhas-anushka-shetty/1/455835.html</ref>

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[[User:Ved548|Ved548]] ([[User talk:Ved548|talk]]) 12:29, 4 August 2015 (UTC)