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== RfC: How should we classify Baahubali ==

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How should classify the film Baahubali? This is both for the main table and for whether it should be included in any of the subtables.

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=== Tamil and Telugu ===

* '''Support''' both Tamil and Telugu as explained below. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''support''' per the multiple reliable sources [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/07/14/indias-baahubali-destroys-box-office-records-is-china-next/ Forbes] to [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/26/baahubali-film-bollywood-tamil-telugu-language the Guardian] to the [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/telugu/movies/news/Rajamouli-goes-digital-for-Bahubali/articleshow/20784393.cms Times of India] to [http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/watch-the-making-of-ss-rajamoulis-baahubali-646706.html IBN] to [http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/baahubali-a-250-cr-film-is-being-compared-to-hollywood-blockbuster-300-775066 NDTV] to [http://www.thenational.ae/arts-lifestyle/film/tollywood-epic-baahubali-to-be-most-expensive-indian-film-ever The National] which identify the film as bilingual Tamil / Telugu. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 12:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

** <small>null edit to keep this from autoarchiving. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 20:12, 18 August 2015 (UTC)</small>

*'''Support''' for obvious reasons. The film was shot in both languages, there is no reason to deviate from reliable sources as a way to accommodate the fragile egos of a select group of readers. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 17:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. Has been endlessly explained in above discussions. [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 18:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' This is a fairly unique situation, in that two versions of the film were made at the same time. I think the film should be treated as both a Telugu and a Tamil film. I don't really get what the fuss is all about except maybe some hometown/language/culture pride? [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 19:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''': A wide range of sources make it clear that the film was simultaneously produced in both languages. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 02:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''', since this is not only what independent sources tell us, it's what the producer has stated (it was produced bilingually because a monolingual approach could not have recouped the production costs). See the [[#Discussion]] section for sources. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 02:38, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

*'''support''' per multiple reliable sources which has been presented above by various users. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:Vensatry|<font color = "indigo" >'''Vensatry'''</font>]] _{[[User talk:Vensatry|<font color = "Indigo" >'''(ping)'''</font>]]}</span> 16:14, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

=== Tamil only ===

=== Telugu only ===

* '''Support''' Telugu Only. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

**Why? [[WP:JUSTAVOTE]] will be ignored by the closer. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 02:39, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Baahubali is undoubtedly a Telugu movie which is simultaneously dubbed into Hindi,Tamil,English and French. How could it be in the list of highest grossing tamil movies? This is a blunder mistake on wikipedia, it must be verifed as soon as possible[[User:JohnnyBlaze007|JohnnyBlaze007]] ([[User talk:JohnnyBlaze007|talk]]) 16:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Its a telugu movie dubbed into another 4 languages. <s>Ricky is behaving as a true Madrasi.</s>[[Special:Contributions/175.101.16.161|175.101.16.161]] ([[User talk:175.101.16.161|talk]]) 16:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:<small>Struck ethnic slur. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 17:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</small>

:::{{ping|Marchoctober}} {{ping|JohnnyBlaze007}} {{ping|175.101.16.161}} are there any sources or policies that support your position?

* '''Support''' Please go to the Wikipedia Page "Telugu Cinema". It doesn't mean films shot in Telugu, It actually means films produced by Tollywood. Similarly go to the page "Tamil Cinema" What it means is films shot in Kollywood. so if your intention is just to servce the technicality, your absolutely misleading people here. Baahubali is product of Telugu Cinema and I strongly support it to be mentioned only in the Field of Telugu. In the page of baahubali, it was anyway mentioned as Telugu & Tamil. But in the grossings we need to be careful not to mislead readers[[User:Pradeeps369|Pradeeps369]] ([[User talk:Pradeeps369|talk]]) 14:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Many films from Tamil like Enthiran, Indian, Singham, Shivaji ... were shot simultaneously in both Tamil and Telugu but, being considered as Tamil films. Though Bahubali - The Beginning has Tamil version its a Telugu film only. Will anyone consider those films as Telugu films? '''Enthiran bagged 2 national awards and many other awards, but it didn't get nominated to atleast one section of Telugu cinema awards like Nandi, film fare-Telugu and other. It is obviously telling that which way should one follow.''' [[User:Political Cricketer|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting;color:gold">'''PK'''</span>]]^{[[User talk:Political Cricketer|<span style="color:red"> talk</span>]]} 10:34, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

**{{re|Political Cricketer}} Can you please show some reliable sources which state ''Enthiran'', ''Indian'', ''Sivaji'' and ''Singam'' are bilinguals. They are merely dubbed versions, get your facts right before arriving at random conclusions. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:Vensatry|<font color = "indigo" >'''Vensatry'''</font>]] _{[[User talk:Vensatry|<font color = "Indigo" >'''(ping)'''</font>]]}</span> 16:19, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

***{{re|Vensatry}} Here, source is provided for Enthiran from [http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/endhiran-the-costliest-film-in-india/1/108599.html India Today]. Not satisfied? Wait until next year's film awards and Baahubali's Tamil nominations. [[User:Political Cricketer|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting;color:gold">'''PK'''</span>]]^{[[User talk:Political Cricketer|<span style="color:red"> talk</span>]]} 12:30, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

****It was a speculated source my dear friend. I can show you some sources which say ''[[OK Kanmani]]'' was to be made as a Tamil-Malayalam bilingual. Besides, the article plainly states the film is a bilingual; I don't see a mention of the word 'Telugu' anywhere. Since you are very confident about ''India Today'', here is a [http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/baahubali-box-office-collection-beats-rajinikanth-enthiran-ss-rajamouli-prabhas-rana-daggubati-anushka-shetty-tamannaah-bhatia-rs-300-crore-club/1/452399.html source] (published after a week the film got released) which says on ''Baahubali'', "The multilingual film has been made in Tamil and Telugu simultaneously and dubbed in Hindi". <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:Vensatry|<font color = "indigo" >'''Vensatry'''</font>]] _{[[User talk:Vensatry|<font color = "Indigo" >'''(ping)'''</font>]]}</span> 13:06, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

*****Many movies like Baahubali, Enthiran are shot simultaneously in two languages. Here bilingual indicates no.of languages, in which movie was shot. But one won't consider Baahubali as Kollywood film. I'm thinking that it's better to me to stop......until next year[[User:Political Cricketer|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting;color:gold">'''PK'''</span>]]^{[[User talk:Political Cricketer|<span style="color:red"> talk</span>]]} 13:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

*****Will anyone explain me, when will a movie be considered as bilingual. Director/Producer announcement as bilingual or shooting in two languages?[[User:Political Cricketer|<span style="font-family:Lucida Handwriting;color:gold">'''PK'''</span>]]^{[[User talk:Political Cricketer|<span style="color:red"> talk</span>]]} 13:56, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Tamil films like Enthiran/Robo, I, Indian, Singham, Shivaji ... were shot simultaneously in both Tamil and Telugu but, being considered as Tamil films. In all Telugu versions of the above films, no where you will find letters in Tamil but you will find them in Telugu only. Some portions of these movies are re-shoot to suit Telugu audience. Similarly, Bahubali - The Beginning is a Telugu film only and some portions are re-shoot to suit Tamil audience. If we add the gross earnings from all the versions including dubbed languages, how can we give a particular film a Tamil only or Telugu only film. Either we need to include a single language from where it has originated like Bahubali from Telugu language or include all the languages in which the movie was released including dubbed languages [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/12/baahubali-the-beginning-review-fantastic-bang-for-your-buck-in-most-expensive-'indian-movie-ever-made The Guardian]. If Bahubali is included in the list of highest grossing Tamil movies list, then why wasn't Eega movie included in Tamil list as it was also produced in Tamil along with Telugu version simultaneously? Because it is not in the top of the list? Everyone wants to take credit if we are successful. And why was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Eega ] movie got National Award for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Best Feature Film in Telugu] even though it is produced simultaneously in Tamil also? So, it is better to include Bahubali only in the Telugu list. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 11:39, 2 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

* '''Support''' Certainly it is a telugu movie and not telugu and tamil. The movie is shot primarily by telugu and for global audience. Due to the market similarities, and for revenue making purposes some shots were shot twice while rest is dubbed. This is a common practice and even tamil films are shot twice for lip sync purposes or add specific scenes with telugu or the target market actros to make it more marketable. For example, I or Robo have added mixed tracks and that doesnt mean they are telugu films. [[User:Srikrishnak|srikrishnak]] ([[User talk:Srikrishnak|talk]]) 07:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' It is primarily a Telugu movie and shot with few scenes in tamil that doesn't mean it is a tamil movie. Here bilingualism is not the issue. '''while mentioning in the grossing list you should consider production and from which language the film originated not bilingualism.''' '''I have 4 instances to classify it as a Telugu movie and remove from the tamil list. The production is from a Telugu production house and not even single from tamil is involved in it. The story, script, direction, music, cinematography etc... almost entire crew is from Telugu film industry including cast. If we look at the release almost 75% released in Telugu version and (Hindi dubbed version(from Telugu)) and the rest is from others. In the collections almost 80% is from Telugu and Hindi dubbed version. Also only some scenes were shot in tamil for tamil audience and the rest is dubbed in Tamil.'''

But to classify it as a tamil film they have only one instance ie. stating it as a bilingual film which is actually not as Tamil version has some dubbed scenes.

'''For all those who are mentioning baahubali as a bilingual i'm asking is the story, script and direction is from both telugu and tamil directors? not at all It's only from Telugu director and writer alone. Is the production house is from tamil? If you check the gross collections then look how much tamil version has collected nearly 15%. Then why are you including the movie in tamil list by adding other version collections 80% into it although it is not primarily a tamil movie. simply don't state bilingual as a reason.'''

In the gross box office list, will you look at the language or the production and collections?

In Hollywood if an English movie is also shot in French it is regarded as an hollywood movie not french movie. In the collections it will be listed in english list not in the french list similarly is the case of baahubali it should be included only in telugu list not in tamil. So remove it from tamil list.

[[User:Padukati raju|Padukati raju]] ([[User talk:Padukati raju|talk]]) 06:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Providing sources which say the film is from Telugu film industry and Telugu language:

[http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33503057 1)www.bbc.com]

[http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road 2)theguardian.com]

[http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2015/07/28/bollywood-bahubali-hollywood-films-box-office/ 3)reuters.com]

[http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/11/asia/baahubali-south-india-epic-movie/ 4) cnn.com]

[http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/06/29/baahubali-sets-world-reco_n_7684384.html 5) huffingtonpost]

[http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional/baahubali-dialogue-promo-don-t-miss-this-fiery-face-off/article1-1364175.aspx 6)hindustantimes.com]

[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/entertainment/regional/telugu/Telugu-Film-Baahubali-claims-to-have-set-record-with-worlds-largest-poster/videoshow/47882192.cms 7)timesofindia.indiatimes.com]

[http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/rajinikanth-hasnt-visited-baahubali-set-yet-says-s-s-rajamouli-638892 8)ndtv.com]

[http://odishasuntimes.com/2015/05/21/karan-johar-praises-baahubali-the-beginning/ 9)odishasuntimes.com]

[http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/grandiose-subject-takes-heart-says-baahubali-vfx-director/article7342352.ece 10)thehindu.com] [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 18:53, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

'''This News Article by [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road TheGuardian.com which clearly mentions that the film is a Telugu movie and was made additionally in Tamil and dubbed into Hindi and Malayalam, but clearly states that it is a Telugu Movie.]''' [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 19:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

=== Discussion ===

* ''[[Baahubali: The Beginning]]'' was shot in both the Tamil and Telugu languages and then dubbed in various other languages. There is no disputing that amongst the sources. Rather than trying to figure out how much of a film constitutes a Tamil/Telugu (or Hindi or Punjabi)-"industry" film (based on actors/directors/producers/location shot), since it was shot in both Tamil and Telugu originally (and then dubbed elsewhere) it should be listed as both Tamil and Telugu language film. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' It was removed from Tamil again with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=673262569&oldid=673261315 this misleading] edit. I'm not in the mood to fight it anymore. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 06:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

*@[[User:Ricky81682]] I challenge you to prove yourself right about the above statement you gave stating that was wrong or misleading information, please prove yourself with sources. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 06:52, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

'''Support''' Telugu Only. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

: Can you elaborate? As noted above, this is not a vote so policy discussions would be preferable and I know that there's pages of the same arguments going in circles but it would be really helpful if you could put it in a short summary here as many people may not respond to every repeated discussion. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::Please see the sections

*[[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Baahubali_is_a_Bilingual|Baahubali is a Bilingual]]

* [[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Film_language_versus_industry]]

*[[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Tamil_Films_misrepresenting_information]]

The above users all are biased users which is why I have started those sections[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:: Yes, everyone is biased but you and everyone who agrees with you. They are so biased that you require multiple discussions and pages and tangents to not a point other than <s>"it's insulting for it to be called a Tamil film."</s> -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

<small>Stuck ethnic slur Administrator not [[Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith|Assuming good faith]]</small>[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 06:58, 7 August 2015 (UTC) @[[User:Abecedare]] @[[User:NeilN]]

:: <small>[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=675551103&oldid=675550788 Unstruck]. I have no idea in what universe would you call that an ethnic slur. It's a response to your repeated line that everyone else is biased. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:30, 11 August 2015 (UTC)</small>

:::<small>'''Struck Ethnic Slur, In your universe calling one language as insulting is Ethnice Slur, even in your response you need not call any language as insult, doing so constitues ethnic slur, You may use more civil language.''' [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 06:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<small/>

'''Comment'''

I don't know what to say. But, as per the trade is concerned, the Tamil version is lacking behind when compared to the remaining two major releases (Telugu and Hindi). If you want me to classify which language ''Baahubali'' belongs to, i would opt for a Telugu-Tamil bilingual. Because, the film's director [[S. S. Rajamouli]] told [[Indo-Asian News Service|IANS]] {{mdash}} {{xt|Given the budget of the film, it’s impossible to recover the cost involved if we release in one language. '''Right from the start, the plan was to make it as a Tamil-Telugu bilingual.''' Hence, we cast actors who are popular in both the industries.}} Here is the [http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-is-tribute-to-indian-epic-mahabharat-filmmaker-s-s-rajamouli/ reference] for the same.

When the director himself admits that ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual, i think that should be valued more than anything else. And, for all those who are concerned that Telugu cinema isn't getting its due recognition, i want to cite the case of ''[[Eega]]''. That film, also a bilingual directed by Rajamouli, received acclaim mostly for its Telugu version. National Film Awards, Filmfare Awards South and all notable awards were received by the Telugu version only. In the case of ''Baahubali'', Telugu cinema is being praised by the International media and fortunately, the same can be placed in the article and summarised in the lead provided the content is written neutrally.

So, i suggest this option {{mdash}} Specify ''Baahubali'' as an Indian bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu and Tamil. Next, specify in the poroduction section that Rajamouli planned it as a bilingual only to recover the cost involved which he found impossible if released in only one language. For all who are concerned for Telugu cinema recognition, please write the content from International magazines in a neutral way in the "Legacy" section. As per [[WP:LEAD]] the same would be summarised in the lead section where we can see a statement similar to "Due to the success of ''Baahubali'', Telugu film industry was noted and praised by International magazines such as Forbes and The Guardian". Any one who does or does not support this may explain their arguments below. [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 08:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:: You clearly don't have objective criteria here. What do you mean that by "the Tamil version is lacking"? We aren't removing it from the Tamil language just because you personally don't think it was the best version, that's a nonsensical way to categorize things. And it's not about whether the Tamil industry "deserves" or doesn't recognition, it's about a single film and what's the best way to classify the films on this page (I'm starting to learn towards a delete all the subtables and just list films approach). And if you care about more about praising Telugu cinema than anything else, [[WP:RGW|you're here for the wrong reasons]]. That's not the point of this page. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::[[User:Ricky81682]] Please [[Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith|Assume Good Faith]] '''Using terms like 'Nonsensical ways', accussing of having no objective criteria falls under, doesnot that count as [[Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks|personal attacks ?]]''' [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 07:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC) @[[User:NeilN]] @[[User:Abecedare]]

:::I appreciate Pavanjandhyala presenting reliable sources to qualify their statements, and they are certainly right in re-asserting that the film is bilingual, but I too share your sentiment regarding the mindset that a certain industry 'deserves praise'. This page is not for 'praising' a certain 'industry'. This isn't the scope of the page. This page has absolutely nothing to do with a film's industry. I am also in agreement that all subsections should be removed. Perhaps a new RFC should be started in the near future with regards to your proposal. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 09:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::If that is the case, then here is my explanation. ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu & Tamil and dubbed into Hindi in order to recover the making costs which is confirmed by its director in an interaction to IANS. There is no need to project it as only a Telugu film for the acclaim Telugu version has received because that shall not change just because the film is a bilingual. So i suggest that the film (includes both the parts) be mentioned as a bilingual one in the lead and mention in the Production section that this film was made as a bilingual to recover the making costs. What say? [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 09:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::: Where is this bizarro argument about only the Telugu version being acclaimed coming from? Are there sources that say that the Tamil version is horrid or something? It's literally the same film. No, that's not a solution as it entirely ignores the other language it was made in. Further, arguing about the ''reason'' a film was made in various language (again without providing sources) as a justification for how it should be categorized is again [[WP:OR|original research]] as if certain reasons (budget, financing, marketing) are good while others are not. The film was made in two languages. We should not be coming back here when the next film make in two languages (or three) [made, not dubbed that seems clear] to debate about what reasons it was made in those various languages, whether one language makes it "more" acclaimed than another or "more" amazing or whatever that accomplishes nothing here in terms of consistency and is just people here picking and choosing based on their personal interests. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:::::: @[[User:Ricky81682]] @[[User:NeilN]] @[[User:Abecedare]]'''Not [[Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith|Assuming good faith]] and [[Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks|Personally attacking User]] by using terms like bizarro argument''' [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 07:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::See. I provided the source in my first message here. If you missed it, [http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-is-tribute-to-indian-epic-mahabharat-filmmaker-s-s-rajamouli/ here] is the reference i quoted and it was not an original research as you say. With this, i can prove that ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual film. Coming to the acclaim problem, many websites such as Forbes and all mentioned the Telugu version of ''Baahubali'' in particular. This and the box office success of the film "as a whole" (i mean together in all languages) made a few quote that ''Baahubali'' is only a Telugu film. By stating the reason why this film was made as a bilingual, i want to make it clear that this is not just a Telugu film but a bilingual. Nothing else from my side. I'm done with it. What all can do after reading the content in that source carefully and this last message of mine here, please do the needy. I just wanted to make sure that the filmmaker's intention is clearly mentioned in the related articles (Baahubali: The Beginning, Production of Baahubali and Baahubali: The Conclusion) to avoid unnecessary confusions regarding the issue whether this is a bilingual or not. Thank you for letting me participate in this productive discussion and i think, its time i say good bye to this. [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 09:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::::: I'm confused. How does "bilingual" = Telugu only? -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 10:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::::::<s><small>snide: It runs through the "industry" which squeezes all the Tamil out. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 18:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</small><s/>

<small>Please assume [[Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith|Assuming good faith]], calling a whole film industry to be squeezing out some language is simply accusation. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 05:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)<small/>

{{collapse top|Stay on the topic of arguing your viewpoints as attacking other users will not end well for you. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)}}

::::Biased edits from each user:

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673195522&oldid=673195445|diff1 user the red pen of doom]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673265324&oldid=673264595|diff2 user Ricky81682]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673271935&oldid=673271160|diff3 user Elspamo4]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673190331&oldid=673189412|diff4 user Cannolis]]

Each of the above edits show their support of Tamil language let us suppose these are all fair, but why have they not undone [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673266978&oldid=673265430 these] edits if they are all fair ? Inspite of seeing this information being discussed on talk page also ?? This proves their Biased nature. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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:::::::::Given that it's conclusively proven to have been a bilingual production from the start, I guess this will be a textbook example of why a closer should look at rationales and ignore the head-count of "votes". LOL. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 10:34, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

If Bahubali is included in the list of highest grossing Tamil movies list, then why wasn't Eega movie included in Tamil list as it was also produced in Tamil along with Telugu version simultaneously? Because it is not in the top of the list? And why was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Eega ] movie got National Award for [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Film_Award_for_Best_Feature_Film_in_Telugu Best Feature Film in Telugu] only even though it was produced simultaneously in Tamil and the content of both the movies are same? It is because Indian film awards are given only for the language in which the movie is originally made. Since Eega was not an original Tamil movie, it didn't get any award in Tamil language category. Same is the case with Bahubali. It's a original Telugu movie and when it receives any awards, it will receive the awards only in the category of Telugu language and not for Tamil language. So, it is better to include Bahubali only in the Telugu list. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 15:20, 3 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==== Section break ====

Let me put a small break here. The point is Wikipedia categorizes Indian films by ''language'' not by so-called industry. Evidence can be seen by [[:Category:Indian films by language]]. Now, they could be misinterpreted as the same except we have '''[[English-language Indian films]]'''. The basis for inclusion there is the (primary) language in which the film was shot. There is no English-language Indian film "industry" place/populace whatever that would let us classify other films as in or out of this category other than by simple language. For the same reason, we should be classifying Baahubali as both Tamil and Telugu because it was shot in those language rather than using some personal opinions from editors as to whether a film has "sufficient" amounts of a particular film industry to be classified under that industry. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 23:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

It's completely biased editing on part of the administrator Ricky81682|Ricky81682], who is biased to make Bahubali to give Tamil color. Bahubali was maintained as Telugu movie until the gross collections of Bahubali didn't cross the gross collections of highest grossing Tamil movie "Enthiran". When Bahubali grossed more than Enthiran, they made it as both Telugu and Tamil movie. Why no explanations were given for "Eega/Naan Ee" movie, for which I have given lot of explanation above? When "Eega/Naan Ee" was produced simultaneously in Telugu and Tamil but considered Telugu only movie then how come Bahubali will be considered both Telugu and Tamil movie? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 10:52, 4 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Please don't [[WP:NPA|attack other editors]]. Has Eega been brought up before? If you can provide a source about Eega, put it in a separate section and we'll list it on both. I don't recall it being listed on the Tamil film list when it was merged here. At to the National Film Award, that is determined by the [[Ministry of Information and Broadcasting (India)]], correct? Does it classify films or are films categorized there and nominated based on the producers submitted it there? I'm just trying to flesh out your rationale for using that as a basis for categorizing films. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 17:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

::@[[Ricky81682]]You have attacked multiple users now you accuse the above user of attcaking you ? And the user has apologized to you. You have attacked and got away because you are an administrator you have not apologized , My personal opinion is your administrative powers be stripped off you for the way you are behaving and taking this page for a ride, I have no option but report you.

<br> You have a totally [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] mentality and for an administrator to have such mentality is fatal for Wikipedia. @[[User:NeilN]] @[[User:Abecedare]] [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 07:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry to attack personally. For awards, the producer has to submit an entry for the movie. Is it possible for Bahubali to be submitted as an entry for Tamil version. It is not possible. Because "Dubbed/revised/copied version of a film" is out rightly rejected by the awards Jury [http://www.dff.nic.in/writereaddata/62nd%20NFA%20Final%20Regulations%20Approved.pdf] as Tamil version of Bahubali is copied version Telugu Bahubali and Tamil version is not in it's original form. Same has happened with "Eaga/Naan Ee". Producers know that if they submit the Tamil version, it will be out rightly rejected. Eega was eligible for National awards only in Telugu version and not in Tamil version. Same is the case with Bahubali. It is eligible for National awards only in Telugu version. If National awards jury is considering it as a Telugu only movie then how Wikipedia will consider it as both Telugu and Tamil movie. Please remove Bahubali from Tamil list. Otherwise, it will misguide people. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 04:02, 5 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: You're speculating here. Where is this "Tamil version would have been rejected" coming from? You don't have proof of any of this. Is this the same as the "the Tamil version was lacking" argument I've heard before? Ok, the point is it was the producers' choice to list it under Telugu and not Tamil (I doubt they could submit it in two categories) and it was ''not'' like some government agency's choice which would give us some more objective criteria to work off. That's my point. As to Eega again, no one has brought it up before (I don't recall it listed when I merged the separate Tamil article over here) and I mentioned it in the [[#Eega]] section below. I'm assuming you'll support including that in the Tamil section to be consistent. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 06:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

:: According to the form on page 17, only one language is permitted and this is submitted by the producers. I agree that any dubbed dialogue is also inadmissible as you said. I don't see any discussion about bilingual films. It's an interesting point none the less. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 06:14, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

::: @[[User:Ricky81682]] If this article is about Highest grossing Indian films why should Language be included at all ? Delete that distinction and the controversy is lost. In the current state of the article, though the Tamil movies made money in other languages and this article is about making money why are other languages not included in Tamil movies section, why do not you include that information ? Why dont you want to add information of atleast '''All versions''' in the Tamil language movies section ? I had created a new section on talkpage which was got rid of.. using a bot to archive, though that section was only couple of days old ? And why do you want to add multiple language information only for Baahubali and not any of the Tamil movies? [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 18:33, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

:::: If you're interested in that, suggest it. That was the key part of [[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films/Archive_1#Merge_discussion|the merger discussion that started in December 2013]]. The concern was that Hindu-languge films would dominate the various other languages. I'd advise a separate section rather than a new argument here. From what I can tell, all the films listed include all dubbed language grossing. I've asked about re-wording the "Languages" section to add a note that it's for the languages originally shot in, not dubbed or other things but that got archived I think. Do you think we should clarify it that way? As to your archived comment, are you talking about [[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films/Archive_2#Tamil_Films_misrepresenting_information|this archived section]]? You never responded to my question, what do you want? Just saying that it's "not fairly represented here" is not telling me what you want done. It felt like a random aside related to this discussion rather than a particular point. This is a locked article so I'm (any admin can do it but I'm here so I'm doing it to be helpful) not going to do everything that's suggested until it's clear there's consensus to do so. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 20:39, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

::::: yes I'm definitely interested, you are not being fair being an administrator and participating in the rfc by putting your support on the tamil and Telugu you have to be neutral, you cannot have an opinion, if you already have an opinion how can you judge the outcome of rfc, why do you think so many users are putting support for Telugu only? Why is it that you do not care for consensus? Being an administrator I request you to be neutral and open minded. please add that information with sources that all of the tamil movies mentioned on the article are made in more than one language and that same information needs to be represented on this article, you cannot put multiple languages only for bahubali. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 00:54, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::: I'm not judging the outcome of the RFC. It's an open RFC. I'm responding to everyone's points. This page was protected by [[User:NeilN]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=673300581&oldid=673300389 here] not me. Ask NeilN if you want it changed (but see the joke essay [[:m:The Wrong Version]] for why NeilN may not). I'm trying to be consistent by updating all the numbers for the film together, the way it was protected. If you want to request that someone close the RFC, the proper place is at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure]]. As to the Tamil films, can you just put in a separate section for the films, separate from this discussion? You posted a list of films, arguing multiple languages with a multitude of sources. It's not just you arguing with me so these need to be discussed and that's not the way to have a coherent, reasonable discussion. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 04:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::::Alright you are not judging the outcome of the RFC, but why would you put your support on one side? Would not the guys trying to judge the outcome of the RFC think an administrator is supporting a side probably that side is correct ? As an administrator I suggest you be neutral and remove your support /oppose comment, I find it very one sided especially because someone who is very powerful like an administrator can be in a position to influence the outcome of an RFC, your being neutral is essential and very important, or else it would be a one sided and unfair RFC. Also I will start that new section again, please read and understand before commenting that it makes no sense, earlier when I added that section you were saying ''what's your point''. I do not wish the RFC be closed so quickly a proper discussion is required and why is consensus of no importance ? Why do you think majority of editors want something to be represented in a way ? Because that must have been the correct representation, please have an open mind and listen to both sides, it is important as an administrator for you to do so. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 06:25, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::::: @[[User:Ricky81682]] Please see below the Tamil films misrepresenting information, you have not responded to my query earlier about a user deleting information, though I provided the diff which shows that the user deleted information relating to Tamil films that all the versions grossed the total amount and also provided sources, have you read through the sources ? Did you understand what I wrote ? All you said was ''whats your point?'' As an administrator when someone provides both diffs and sources backing oneself, you better pay attention and understand, I decided you are biased since you did not respond properly hence I started contacting NeilN, now that I see you are responding I am putting forward all this information again. Just Like how the above user talks about Eega film Baahubali should also be represented in one language. If Tamil were represented as Tamil only though they have been released in Telugu and Hindi, similarly Baahubali should be represented only as a Telugu film and not both. Or else all the movies in the list should be listed as released in multiple languages. I have provided reliable sources like BBC above which say it is a Telugu Film but then why is this information not being represented properly? Is it your own assessment that it is both languages? Unless you take a neutral stand on this article I would wish you stay away from this article and Adminstrators like NeilN should probably take over from you, we do not have faith in someone who is so powerful and is taking sides instead of being neutral. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 07:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@[[User:NeilN]] [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 07:42, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::::: You really have an issue with the Tamil film industry for some reason. Let me start with Enthiran as your source says that it was released in Tamil and then dubbed into English and Telugu so are you now advocating that it should be listed in every language it was dubbed in? As I noted, [http://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/chinese-star-dubs-for-aamir-in-pk-was-moved-by-the-alien/article1-1351135.aspx PK was just released in China dubbed in Mandarin] so do you think there should be a List of highest grossing Indian films in the Mandarin-language on that basis? You are still disputing that a film that is ''shot'' in two language shouldn't be listed in both though, right? I'm trying to see if you have an actual consistent, logical rule here or [[WP:NOTADVOCATE|not]]. My view is pretty straightforward: use the language(s) it was shot in, ignore all the dubbed versions. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 07:55, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::::@[[User:Ricky81682]] If need be I may be forced to start and arbitration on the administrators board only to discuss Ricky81682 's neutrality. Being powerful and taking sides is very dangerous, also editing the article after it has been locked down, it is unacceptable. <br> I have literally seen you revert information on this page 3 times continously which is edit warring but you being an administrator got away with it I can provide the diffs. please see below:

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673263919&oldid=673262569 diff1]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=next&oldid=673264088 diff2]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=next&oldid=673264595 diff3]

::::::::Its really shit scary to normal users like me who do not have any power to see a powerful administrator indulge in edit warring , I really request User Ricky to stay neutral and if possible stay away from the article. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 07:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=prev&oldid=673262569 Was this really a rewrite of the article]? <s>Do you think the fact that you removed the film section from the Tamil section during your "rewrite" isn't going to [[WP:BOOMERANG]] on you? Do you think no one is going to ask you about that?</s> You're also not arguing that an edit I ''did'' was wrong but that I '''didn't''' go through the protection and remove it from the Tamil section? Your objection is ultimately that when I updated the Baahubali numbers, I didn't also remove it from the Tamil section, correct? That I kept the status quo that NeilN protected? The RFC is still open so I think it would be edit warring for someone to actually change it now while there's still a discussion ongoing. But again, if you want to report it, go ahead. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:14, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::::Can you tell me the difference between Dubbing and making in two languages ? The film was made only once, it was not made multiple times for god sake! Anyways lets accept your argument but, It comes from the Telugu Film industry which needs to be represented somewhere, as an administrator I request you to figure out a way, that could be like adding an additional column which says Film industry and keep the language column as is, then you may represent both languages. Why do not you try to find an amicable solution to this controversy instead of just locking the page you may re-open it and resolve the controversy. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::::::It is in poor taste where you seem to dare me to report it (edit warring), all I am saying is you seem to be emotionally attached to this article, taking sides on the RFC inspite of being an adminstrator is really shocking for me [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:21, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

{{collapse top|This is going off topic. Take it to [[WP:ANI]]. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 06:55, 7 August 2015 (UTC) }}

If administrators take biasing approach, no one can argue with them and then all the Wikipedia pages are to be sourced by administrators only. When a user edits a page and the administrator reverts back taking biasing approach, what is the use of Wikipedia in public domain. I have clearly mentioned about Eega with source that it has to be submitted for National awards only for Telugu language by the producers although it is a multilingual film. If Eega Tamil version producer PVP Cinema(different from Telugu version producer) submitted for Tamil version, it could have been rejected citing that it is a copied version. If Tamil websites are mentioning that Bahubali[http://www.indianmoviestats.com/telugu/top-grossing-telugu-films.html] as highest grossing Telugu movie and Enthiran [http://www.indianmoviestats.com/tamil/top-grossing-tamil-films-of] as highest grossing Tamil movie, then how can Wikipedia consider Bahubali as Telugu and Tamil move. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 08:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::I would like to know why is consensus of no importance to you ? There are far too many editors who want to see the article in a way which it is not currently represented as you have managed. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::::My changing information on the page whether it will boomerang or not how do you know ? You should have waited for other users, there are so many articles on the wikipedia which do not have sources but they stay there only because of consensus why did you not wait for consensus ? why do you make changes to the article personally and why dont you wait for other users ? Please think like an admin, who waits and sees how other users react, they do not take action personally on the article, why do you have such a personal affiliation towards the article? [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

I struck that comment. I'll drop it. Waited for what? Are you talking before protection or after protection? After protection, I haven't done a thing to change the actual disputed issue in the RFC, namely Baahuabli's languages. Are you objecting to the changes in their box office results? You can't be objecting to edits to any other films since that hasn't nothing to do with what's in dispute. Should I have to wait and engage your "all these users show their support of Tamil language" and are biased arguments? [[WP:NOTVOTE|It's not a vote]], especially when you're violating the [[WP:CANVASS|canvassing rules]] with posts like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Puneethbatman&diff=prev&oldid=673274772 this] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vishnu17901&diff=prev&oldid=673274843 this] and now you've moved from it's Telugu only because whatever reason to now wanting others films listed as bilingual based on their dubbed versions. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

The concerned administrator never cared for the language when Vishwaroopam was made simultaneously in Tamil and Hindi(It's User Bhuvannalla, who changed the language from Tamil to "Tamil and Hindi" for Vishwaroopam). Similarly, the concerned administrator never cared for the language when Eega was put only in Highest grossing Telugu movies though it wass made simultaneously in Telugu and Tamil. The concerned administrator never cared for language of Bahubali(It was mentioned as only Telugu) until it crossed the gross collections of highest grossing Tamil movie "Enthiran". The administartor never cared for the situation when we type Highest grossing Indian films in google, it shows Highest grossing Tamil films in the brief description of Wikipedia (Though I raised it in his Talk page). <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/101.221.135.5|101.221.135.5]] ([[User talk:101.221.135.5|talk]]) 08:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: Am I supposed to know what films are in what languages? And the amount of discussion going on at [[#Eega]] shows your real interests here. And no I can't fix Google's spidering issue but if you really take offense to that, ask it at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)]]. Boy do some people really have a chip on their shoulder. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@[[User:Ricky81682]] The admin [[User:NeilN]] had asked the other user redpenofdoom to invite other users to participate in RFC, I saw that and I also followed the same but later I was warned by [[User:NeilN]] I did not know about Canvassing rule until NeilN had warned me and immediately after he warned me I never repeated it. The previous version when it was locked was Telugu only but this time just before it was locked it was edited by this user see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673287769&oldid=673285415 diff] and then it was locked [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:13, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::: Review [[WP:CANVASS]]. Asking people to vote in the Telugu section is not the way to do it. Do it in a neutral format. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::If not by vote what is the way you want this RFC to be resolved? Why are you not being neutral by removing your support comment ? [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::: First, stop pinging me. It's annoying and I'm sure NeilN won't appreciate it either. Because I explained my reasoning there. It's the format. I want someone to evaluate the arguments and decide whichever ones are better based on policy grounds. Whoever said I claimed to be neutral on this issue? I have a view (I started the RFC for a reason). Your [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] mentality is not productive. Does the view of how to classify Baahubali affect whether or not we have a reliable source about the Kannada films? Only if you're holding a grudge because you're not getting your way on that one issue. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:23, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::I have to say you have stooped to my level and presented your [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] mentality as well, your above edits show what i say. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:28, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

If you are not supposed to know what films are in what languages? Then why are you giving importance to the language of Bahubali, when you left the language of other movies to users. Leave it to users, who are updating the information.

Now that you have said you are not neutral I may have to go reach out for other adminstrators, as your administering the article is no longer valid as an admin, you are equal to a user while on this article because you are opinionated. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:49, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::Would not this [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673287769&oldid=673285415 diff] constitue as edit warring as there was an active RFC when this edit was made ? Why have you supported it why have you not undone it ? Because it represents your opinion on the RFC ? Power in wrong hands leads to bad things in the world. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 10:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::: [[WP:AN3]] is that way. Feel free to discuss it with another admin there as no matter what I won't be blocking anyone when I'm clearly [[WP:INVOLVED|involved]]. There's only about 1300 more. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 10:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::::'''As per [[WP:INVOLVED|involved]] you must not act as an admin ever on that page but you have violated by acting like one until now, you should not edit the article. You have been editing the article from the day it was locked.''' And I strongly believe that you have made multiple biased edits, so you stay away from editing the page anymore. I am really surprised, I have never come across any admin who has such strong biases. You have to contact other Admins on [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards]][[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 10:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::{{re|Marchoctober}} Having violated [[WP:CANVASS]], you're in no position to accuse Ricky81682. You clearly don't understand the very basic purpose of an RFC and how it works. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:Vensatry|<font color = "indigo" >'''Vensatry'''</font>]] _{[[User talk:Vensatry|<font color = "Indigo" >'''(ping)'''</font>]]}</span> 16:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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==== Second break ====

From all the above conversations, not even a single user is claiming that Bahubali is a Tamil only movie. But lot of users claim that it is a Telugu only movie. Wikipedia administrators have to think that how such strong urge will come from certain users saying that it is Telugu only movie but not even a single user is claiming that it is a Tamil only movie(even though one section is created for "Tamil only" in the RFC) if it is assumed as a bilingual movie by neutral users. There should be certain users, who should try to own that it is a Tamil only movie. This almost shows that it is not at all a Tamil movie as no one is claiming it as a Tamil movie. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 19:10, 8 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

As it is very difficult to come to a conclusion regarding the language of Bahubali, the consensus should be obtained in the following way. Count all the votes in favor of "Tamil only movie" and in favor of "Telugu only movie". Allocate one vote each for each category in whose favor it is voted. Split the neutral (both Telugu and Tamil movie) votes and allocate each vote one in favor of "Tamil only movie" and one in favor of "Telugu only movie" as neutral voters supported both the languages. If "Tamil only" votes are far greater than "Telugu only" votes, term it as a Tamil movie. If "Telugu only" votes are far greater than "Tamil only" votes, term it as a Telugu movie. If both votes are nearly equal in number, term it as a "Telugu and Tamil movie". <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bhuvannalla|Bhuvannalla]] ([[User talk:Bhuvannalla|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bhuvannalla|contribs]]) 04:45, 9 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: better yet, we should include the bias of the Tamils. It's clearly a Telugu film by those who really get how the two people work. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.189.83.143|72.189.83.143]] ([[User talk:72.189.83.143|talk]]) 04:19, 10 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

* That's mighty convenient for you to suggest ignoring the predominant opinion. It's approaching [[WP:TE|tendentious editing]] and is considered a disruptive use of time. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 07:25, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

[[List of most expensive Indian films]] is Telugu only. We should be the same. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/166.170.44.216|166.170.44.216]] ([[User talk:166.170.44.216|talk]]) 03:38, 13 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:That another article in inappropriately reporting data does not mean that we should follow suit. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 12:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

::Why is the information that this film originates from Telugu Film industry and definitely not from Tamil film industry not present on the article? Only additionally it is made in Tamil language. Why is the information that the film origination is from Telugu film industry not being represented on this article? Why is it being so strongly stopped from being represented that the film originates from Telugu film industry and how should that information be represented other than like in language??

You guys do not want to represent this information on the article in form of language then you propose - How would you represent this information on the article? You have to come up with some form of representation of that information.[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 06:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I proposed the way to representing this information [[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Include_additional_column_of_Film_industry|here]] but none of you are willing to co-operate or understand what i am saying. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 06:42, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

==Include additional column of Film industry ==

All the films' information can be sourced and put. By doing so all controversy surrounding language can be avoided, people will not object for multiple langauges being represented. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:25, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

: What information? "Industry"? We haven't even settled on directors and producers in all the tables. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::It is obvious I would not get my way when I am arguing with a strongly opinionated Adminstrator, who wants to drive his opinion. The only way for me is to fight as hard as I can since I am against someone far powerful than myself, you may call me [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] mentality for that but, myself from USA my time is 2:36 am california on a weekday, though I gotta work in the morning I am staying up and putting up a fight because I know that the truth has to prevail. <br>Film industry is the column which represents where the film originates from. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:37, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::: Ah, so we're in the same state, good to know. Ok, but how is that determined? How would something like the films at [[English-language Indian films]] be categorized? Looking at something like [[36 Chowringhee Lane]], we have a Bengali director, a Hindi-industry producer, a British/Bollywood lead actress, Bollywood cinematographer, a musician who seems to work in both Bengali and Hindu music, shot in Kolkata, and with a Hindi-working art director. Would it just be a debate on how much the film itself feels like it's Bengali cinema? -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

::::Its plain and simple you have to look for sources, put what the sources say. That will be mostly the production house/studio where the film originates. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 10:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::{{question}} - Do you want the studios that produced the films to be listed (e.g., [[Pixar]])? That is, list the company that can be found in the "Production company" section of infoboxes on the films' article pages? One problem might be that there are often multiple studios (e.g., [[Inside Out]] was produced by Pixar and Walt Disney), but I think we could handle that. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] <small>Please &#123;&#123;[[Template:re|re]]&#125;&#125;</small> 17:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::: No, producers we already have. I think Marchoctober is suggesting that akin to industry as he used [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=673265430&oldid=673265324 here]. I'm presuming a separate new column and not a replacement for the language column (but I don't know). For Baahubali, it removes any hint of the Tamil language. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 02:45, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

:::::::I see no point in explaining something to a user who adamantly refuses to understand how things work here. ("The only way for me is to fight as hard as I can since I am against someone far powerful than myself, you may call me [[WP:BATTLEGROUND]] mentality for that but,"). Perhaps, the user should understand [[Wikipedia:Truth, not verifiability|Wikipedia is truth, not verifiability]]. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">&mdash;[[User:Vensatry|<font color = "indigo" >'''Vensatry'''</font>]] _{[[User talk:Vensatry|<font color = "Indigo" >'''(ping)'''</font>]]}</span> 06:57, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::: My suggestion is to have a separate column called "Industry" in addition to the present columns. In that way there will be no misrepresentation of any information and neither we will withhold any information.

:::::::For example "Baahubali The beginning" will be like

:::::::Year - 2015

:::::::Studios - Arka Media

:::::::Language - Telugu & Tamil

:::::::Industry - Tollywood (Telugu Film industry)

:::::::World wide gross - ₹515 crore (US$80 million)

:::::::This way, the films background can be truly represented and i don't think anyone in particular would have a problem with that. I feel it's just not satisfying individuals but Justice done [[Special:Contributions/20.132.68.149|20.132.68.149]] ([[User talk:20.132.68.149|talk]]) 15:52, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::::I strongly oppose any proposal to add an 'industry' column for reasons already outlined numerous times on this talk page. There is no definitive criteria as to what constitutes an 'industry', and I haven't been able to find any authoritative references to 'industries'. If you can find a source regarding film industries, published by a government agency (or an equally authoritative body), then I'm all ears. Otherwise, I am inclined to believe that this proposal is just an attempt to [[WP:RGW|right great wrongs]]. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 16:12, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::::We get it. That was Marchoctober's way to make sure that Baahuabli doesn't mention Tamil as all, namely change it from language (which for all intents and purpose is at least straightforward) to the more vague "industry" so that Baahubali can be Telugu only. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 07:04, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::::: @[[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] No, what i actually mean is have both columns "Language & Industry". That doesn't take away Tamil from it right? <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/20.132.68.149|20.132.68.149]] ([[User talk:20.132.68.149|talk]]) 18:13, 10 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:::::::::: I don't support having a language column. If we removed the column but kept Baahubali on the Tamil list, do you really think that solves anything? No, it'd be the same fighting over removing the film from that table. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:28, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

::::::::::: Ok then, lets also have industry column in every language list That way baahubali can be kept in Tamil list but it will be tagged as a product of Tollywood. That might help reach consensus and stop fighting. Just a thought <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/108.192.149.255|108.192.149.255]] ([[User talk:108.192.149.255|talk]]) 23:23, 11 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*'''oppose''' none of the sources talk about this aspect. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 03:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

* Redpen of doom You have been on this page from the very begining I have presented Multiple sources that the film originates from Telugu film industry Please see the following:

@Ricky81682 Please see the above comment.

Providing sources which say the film is from Telugu film industry and Telugu language:

[http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33503057 1)www.bbc.com]

[http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road 2)theguardian.com]

[http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2015/07/28/bollywood-bahubali-hollywood-films-box-office/ 3)reuters.com]

[http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/11/asia/baahubali-south-india-epic-movie/ 4) cnn.com]

[http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/06/29/baahubali-sets-world-reco_n_7684384.html 5) huffingtonpost]

[http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional/baahubali-dialogue-promo-don-t-miss-this-fiery-face-off/article1-1364175.aspx 6)hindustantimes.com]

[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/entertainment/regional/telugu/Telugu-Film-Baahubali-claims-to-have-set-record-with-worlds-largest-poster/videoshow/47882192.cms 7)timesofindia.indiatimes.com]

[http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/rajinikanth-hasnt-visited-baahubali-set-yet-says-s-s-rajamouli-638892 8)ndtv.com]

[http://odishasuntimes.com/2015/05/21/karan-johar-praises-baahubali-the-beginning/ 9)odishasuntimes.com]

[http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/grandiose-subject-takes-heart-says-baahubali-vfx-director/article7342352.ece 10)thehindu.com] [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 18:53, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

:::::Guys You are all simply arguing for the sake of arguing, Why do not you understand that the film originates from Telugu film industry thats why there are so many people claiming it is Telugu film alone also so many sources like above which say it is a Telugu Film, None of the sources or even user claim or declare it is a Tamil film only, It was made only additionally in Tamil as there are Heavy Tax benefits by making in Tamil language and releasing in Tamil Language. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 06:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

@[[User:Abecedare]] <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Marchoctober|contribs]]) 06:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Why should each of you do original research as what film industry a Film belongs as long as you have proper sources for the film industry that information must be represented. Why is there so much discussion ?

Please see the below sources where Dubbed Tamil films are heavily Taxed:

*http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-tamilnadu/drop-in-number-of-dubbed-films-in-tamil-nadu/article3133438.ece

*http://www.indiaglitz.com/no-festive-dubbed-releases-council-tamil-news-73664.html <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Marchoctober|contribs]]) 06:33, 18 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

*'''Oppose''' The proposal is to add yet another column of information that editors are going to have to maintain and keep from being vandalized so that ''one film'', [[Baahubali: The Beginning]], will be prominently labeled/promoted as being made in Tollywood. It's time to drop the stick on this. I've seen some really ridiculous POV arguments over ethnic/language/city/country pride, and this is high atop the list. It's not enough that the article mentions that the film was produced in Tollywood? We need to indiscriminately add that one fact to List articles now? What about when there are disputes about whether a film was made "chiefly" in Tollywood or somewhere else? What if a film was financed by Tollywood, but production was outsourced to other regions? Are we going to add another column to divide up the regional participation so that people are aware that Tollywood was responsible for 51% of this film, thus it is "chiefly" a Tollywood film? The entirety of this dispute can be summed up with a statement from Pradeeps369 at [[Talk:Baahubali: The Beginning]], {{tq|"People please give due credit to Telugu and stop being cheap and taking the credit for the work that has nothing to do with Tamil"}}[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Baahubali:_The_Beginning&diff=672351142&oldid=672344684] This is an emotional dispute, not a rational one. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 15:59, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

::To add to Cyphoidbomb's post, there are sources that conversely label Baahubali as a Kollywood film: [http://www.ibtimes.co.in/most-awaited-tamil-movies-second-half-2015-baahubali-puli-thala-56-10-enradhukulla-638010], [http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150629/entertainment-kollywood/article/baahubali-creates-world-record-worlds-biggest-poster], and [http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/puli-baahubali-trailer-kollywood-rana-daggubati-vijay-sridevi-kamal-haasan-hansika-motwani-ss-rajamouli-tamannaah/1/446766.html]. I'm positive that this would be the case with almost all other films on the list as well. These divisive proposals are simply attempts to use this article as one of the theatres of a digitized Indian ethnic conflict. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 16:16, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

== Malayalam films ==

Don't include Malayalam films. They don't have any proper box office revenue auditing site or any at all. If you check, you can see different figures in various box office reports. Most of the films revenue are disputed, which are only known to the producers. Only include films from those languages which have reliable box office revenue auditing sites or dedicated reliable sources, otherwise it will question the reliablity and reputation of Wikipedia's [[List of highest-grossing Indian films]] article. Thanks--[[User:Charles Turing|Charles Turing]] ([[User talk:Charles Turing|talk]]) 14:42, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

:The sources used in that section (IBTimes, Times of India, Economic Times) are all reliable sources. You're gonna need a lot of evidence to support your claim that the figures are unreliable from these sources. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] <small>Please &#123;&#123;[[Template:re|re]]&#125;&#125;</small> 15:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

::No part of the indian film industry has a proper auditing and accounting- the lack is described in the lead of the article. All of the figures for every entry are mere estimates. That is why we need to be particularly careful about using only reliably published sources - among which are the major news publications listed above -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 02:08, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Here i support [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] as the list is sourced with proper way and are leading article writers in India (IBTimes, Times of India, Economic Times). So i think it should stay. Thanks....[[User:Ambeinghari|Ambeinghari]] ([[User talk:Ambeinghari|talk]]) 09:35, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

:Then we should keep only the films sourced from box office auditing sites like BoxofficeIndia, BoxofficeMojo, Rentrak etc which are more reliable than news sites, no matter how reputed they are. In the case of Malayalam films, only [[Bangalore Days]], [[Drishyam]] and [[Twenty:20 (film)|Twenty:20]] has multiple reliable sources with same BO figures. And also there is an income source citing directly from the producer in it's press meet speech for [[Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja]], which is less than the source from TOI, which is probably a mistake. So only the fans of these films wish to include a section for Malayalam films. And Wiki is welcoming them to spoil the article. --[[User:Charles Turing|Charles Turing]] ([[User talk:Charles Turing|talk]]) 10:50, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

So according to you we should remove list of highest grossing malayalam movies. If thats the case then only Bollywood movies have proper sources like BoxofficeIndia, BoxofficeMojo, Rentrak. No other film industry have official box office figures. So we should consider other reliable sources like IBTimes, Times Of India, NDTV etc. No point in removing malayalam section. [[User:Ambeinghari|Ambeinghari]] ([[User talk:Ambeinghari|talk]]) 13:20, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

== Order of films ==

What order should we put the films in? It had been alphabetical in the past but [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=676041095&oldid=676040472 in this edit] [[User:Ari0005]] moved Tamil and Telugu to just below Hindi films. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:44, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

After Hindi films Tamil and Telugu are having bigger and larger market and revenue for films in India but I think it should be listed in alphabetical order which is best for these type of articles. Regards [[User:Ambeinghari|Ambeinghari]] ([[User talk:Ambeinghari|talk]]) 09:45, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

*'''alpha order''' -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 11:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

*Default should be alphabetical. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 17:12, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

*Since we have the list of top grossing regardless of language, I don't see the need to order the sections buy gross. Order them alphabetically. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] <small>Please &#123;&#123;[[Template:re|re]]&#125;&#125;</small> 17:58, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2015 ==

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Please change [[Oru Vadakkan Selfie]] (21 crores) from the 6th position in Highest Grossing Malayalam Films to 7th position and add [[Narasimham (film)]] (22 crores) to 6th. Source is [http://www.ibtimes.co.in/mohanlal-mammootty-starrer-narasimham-15th-anniversary-celebrations-dubai-gets-grand-response-616307].

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[[Special:Contributions/106.76.213.174|106.76.213.174]] ([[User talk:106.76.213.174|talk]]) 16:47, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

:{{verified}} and {{done}}. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] <small>Please &#123;&#123;[[Template:re|re]]&#125;&#125;</small> 16:55, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 16 August 2015 a ==

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BAAHUBALI is at top

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/08/14/oops-pk-is-not-actually-indias-top-grossing-movie-ever/

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[[User:Adityaragaditya|Adityaragaditya]] ([[User talk:Adityaragaditya|talk]]) 04:40, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Source does not support this. Says PK is no longer ''domestic'' top grossing. Still top grossing globally. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] <small>Please &#123;&#123;[[Template:re|re]]&#125;&#125;</small> 16:51, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

== Why include all versions in language-specific collections and other questions ==

1. How come dubbed or parallel versions get added to language specific collections? For example, when we list a film in the category of highest Tamil language collection, the collection should be only of the version of Tamil language without including Telugu or Hindi versions. It is absolutely wrong to add dubbed/parallel versions of another language into a certain language and jack up the collections. The best example currently is Baahubali. The global figures list is correct to have all version collections, but when it comes to Tamil or Telugu languages, the collection there should be of Tamil or Telugu Baahubali collections (only as the case may be). By adding all versions collections into Baahubali for Tamil and Telugu language specific, it is gross injustice to other movies in that list that were released only in one language. The same holds for Endhiran, I, Viswaroopam etc. It will then be good to compare the films within that language rather than the absolutely meaningless list now where Tamil Baahubali collected about 80 crores, but has been given 556 crores!!

2. In the global figures list, it will be good to demarcate the following: Domestic and Non-domestic. It will be interesting to see which movies had good domestic market and non-domestic market. For example, Baahubali will top the domestic list, but will only be third over all. This is again a helpful and interesting addition.

3. In the same global figures list, collections for dubbed and original version can also be mentioned. This way we will know how much the original movie collection was where absolutely lot more focus is given.

4. Number of footfalls, world wide nett, average per theater show, etc. are other interesting additions to the global list. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:LordProsperity|LordProsperity]] ([[User talk:LordProsperity|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LordProsperity|contribs]]) 11:18, 16 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:This is the list of the highest grossing Indian films, and so we provide the highest gross. Other than sporadic niche coverage, no one breaks out the figures based the way you are suggesting and so we dont either. You are fee to make your own blog somewhere and provide every variation of cut that tingles your interest, but we are not a fansite.-- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 12:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

::You did not answer why a specific language version must include all other language version collections. This data is available on the net. In fact wiki provides the same for every movie. Regarding other suggestions, yes they are not easily available, I agree. But your answer asking me to put up a blog elsewhere is very condescending. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:LordProsperity|LordProsperity]] ([[User talk:LordProsperity|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LordProsperity|contribs]]) 02:23, 18 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:::This is the List of highest grossing films. It is not Portion of gross of film incurred under X conditions. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 03:09, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

:::: Why have the heading "Highest grossing Tamil films" ("Portion of gross film under X conditions" as you claim where X is Tamil language). That list should have only Tamil specific collection otherwise just have one single table and list all the movies in that. Highest Baahubali Tamil gross is definitely not 577 crores - it is factually incorrect. So also Baahubali Telugu gross. The TOTAL gross has been listed in the first table and that rightly includes all languages. The other tables should just stick to the language specific versions as their respective headings clearly say. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.147.191.23|69.147.191.23]] ([[User talk:69.147.191.23|talk]]) 14:41, 18 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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::::Why is real information being stopped from being represented if there was any misrepresented information then it may be prevented to be on the article, when an article gives all the information including the details, the article appeals more to the reader, rather than avoiding and hiding information, which serves no purpose, it is good to present all information. What is the purpose of hiding information?? Not providing full complete information makes the article more unclear as information becomes applicable to context ? When read out of context the information gets misrepresented. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 07:02, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

::::To explain context here in Telugu language if the film baahubali is represented is it possible to calculate the exact money it gained only by filming in Telugu language? There are only number available for the film released in all versions, so that same information along with All versions has to be represented if not out of context the film will be misrepresented as if it made all money only from one language though it is made in multiple and released in multiple languages.[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 07:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

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Vijay´s Kaththi 2014 release Tamil Film had a box office run about 180+ crore. Pls correct it in Top Tamil Films.

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[[Special:Contributions/217.191.173.194|217.191.173.194]] ([[User talk:217.191.173.194|talk]]) 12:31, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[WP:RS|Reliable source]] required. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] <small>Please &#123;&#123;[[Template:re|re]]&#125;&#125;</small> 16:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 17 August 2015 ==

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Baahubali is not a Tamil it's wholly a Telugu (Tollywood) film.

Kindly remove it from Tamil grossers

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[[User:Harishbabunuthi|Harishbabunuthi]] ([[User talk:Harishbabunuthi|talk]]) 09:08, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> See talk page archives. please note that the "language" column does not refer to a specific subset of Indian film industry such as Tollywood/Kollywood/Mollywood, etc. It simply refers to the languages the movie was shot in, not merely dubbed into [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 12:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)