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== RfC: How should we classify Baahubali ==

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How should classify the film Baahubali? This is both for the main table and for whether it should be included in any of the subtables.

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=== Tamil and Telugu ===

* '''Support''' both Tamil and Telugu as explained below. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''support''' per the multiple reliable sources [http://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2015/07/14/indias-baahubali-destroys-box-office-records-is-china-next/ Forbes] to [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/26/baahubali-film-bollywood-tamil-telugu-language the Guardian] to the [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/telugu/movies/news/Rajamouli-goes-digital-for-Bahubali/articleshow/20784393.cms Times of India] to [http://www.ibnlive.com/news/india/watch-the-making-of-ss-rajamoulis-baahubali-646706.html IBN] to [http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/baahubali-a-250-cr-film-is-being-compared-to-hollywood-blockbuster-300-775066 NDTV] to [http://www.thenational.ae/arts-lifestyle/film/tollywood-epic-baahubali-to-be-most-expensive-indian-film-ever The National] which identify the film as bilingual Tamil / Telugu. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 12:03, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' for obvious reasons. The film was shot in both languages, there is no reason to deviate from reliable sources as a way to accommodate the fragile egos of a select group of readers. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 17:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support'''. Has been endlessly explained in above discussions. [[User:Cannolis|Cannolis]] ([[User talk:Cannolis|talk]]) 18:57, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''' This is a fairly unique situation, in that two versions of the film were made at the same time. I think the film should be treated as both a Telugu and a Tamil film. I don't really get what the fuss is all about except maybe some hometown/language/culture pride? [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 19:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''': A wide range of sources make it clear that the film was simultaneously produced in both languages. --[[User:Carnildo|Carnildo]] ([[User talk:Carnildo|talk]]) 02:39, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

*'''Support''', since this is not only what independent sources tell us, it's what the producer has stated (it was produced bilingually because a monolingual approach could not have recouped the production costs). See the [[#Discussion]] section for sources. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 02:38, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

=== Tamil only ===

=== Telugu only ===

* '''Support''' Telugu Only. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

**Why? [[WP:JUSTAVOTE]] will be ignored by the closer. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''' ☺]] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ </span> 02:39, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Baahubali is undoubtedly a Telugu movie which is simultaneously dubbed into Hindi,Tamil,English and French. How could it be in the list of highest grossing tamil movies? This is a blunder mistake on wikipedia, it must be verifed as soon as possible[[User:JohnnyBlaze007|JohnnyBlaze007]] ([[User talk:JohnnyBlaze007|talk]]) 16:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

* '''Support''' Its a telugu movie dubbed into another 4 languages. <s>Ricky is behaving as a true Madrasi.</s>[[Special:Contributions/175.101.16.161|175.101.16.161]] ([[User talk:175.101.16.161|talk]]) 16:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:<small>Struck ethnic slur. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 17:49, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</small>

:::{{ping|Marchoctober}} {{ping|JohnnyBlaze007}} {{ping|175.101.16.161}} are there any sources or policies that support your position?

* '''Support''' Please go to the Wikipedia Page "Telugu Cinema". It doesn't mean films shot in Telugu, It actually means films produced by Tollywood. Similarly go to the page "Tamil Cinema" What it means is films shot in Kollywood. so if your intention is just to servce the technicality, your absolutely misleading people here. Baahubali is product of Telugu Cinema and I strongly support it to be mentioned only in the Field of Telugu. In the page of baahubali, it was anyway mentioned as Telugu & Tamil. But in the grossings we need to be careful not to mislead readers[[User:Pradeeps369|Pradeeps369]] ([[User talk:Pradeeps369|talk]]) 14:18, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Providing sources which say the film is from Telugu film industry and Telugu language:

[http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33503057 1)www.bbc.com]

[http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road 2)theguardian.com]

[http://blogs.reuters.com/india/2015/07/28/bollywood-bahubali-hollywood-films-box-office/ 3)reuters.com]

[http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/11/asia/baahubali-south-india-epic-movie/ 4) cnn.com]

[http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2015/06/29/baahubali-sets-world-reco_n_7684384.html 5) huffingtonpost]

[http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional/baahubali-dialogue-promo-don-t-miss-this-fiery-face-off/article1-1364175.aspx 6)hindustantimes.com]

[http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/videos/entertainment/regional/telugu/Telugu-Film-Baahubali-claims-to-have-set-record-with-worlds-largest-poster/videoshow/47882192.cms 7)timesofindia.indiatimes.com]

[http://movies.ndtv.com/regional/rajinikanth-hasnt-visited-baahubali-set-yet-says-s-s-rajamouli-638892 8)ndtv.com]

[http://odishasuntimes.com/2015/05/21/karan-johar-praises-baahubali-the-beginning/ 9)odishasuntimes.com]

[http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/grandiose-subject-takes-heart-says-baahubali-vfx-director/article7342352.ece 10)thehindu.com] [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 18:53, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

'''This News Article by [http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jul/13/global-box-office-baahubali-minions-mad-max-fury-road TheGuardian.com which clearly mentions that the film is a Telugu movie and was made additionally in Tamil and dubbed into Hindi and Malayalam, but clearly states that it is a Telugu Movie.]''' [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 19:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

=== Discussion ===

* ''[[Baahubali: The Beginning]]'' was shot in both the Tamil and Telugu languages and then dubbed in various other languages. There is no disputing that amongst the sources. Rather than trying to figure out how much of a film constitutes a Tamil/Telugu (or Hindi or Punjabi)-"industry" film (based on actors/directors/producers/location shot), since it was shot in both Tamil and Telugu originally (and then dubbed elsewhere) it should be listed as both Tamil and Telugu language film. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 11:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

* '''Comment''' It was removed from Tamil again with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&diff=673262569&oldid=673261315 this misleading] edit. I'm not in the mood to fight it anymore. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 06:35, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

'''Support''' Telugu Only. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:15, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

: Can you elaborate? As noted above, this is not a vote so policy discussions would be preferable and I know that there's pages of the same arguments going in circles but it would be really helpful if you could put it in a short summary here as many people may not respond to every repeated discussion. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 08:21, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::Please see the sections

*[[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Baahubali_is_a_Bilingual|Baahubali is a Bilingual]]

* [[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Film_language_versus_industry]]

*[[Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Tamil_Films_misrepresenting_information]]

The above users all are biased users which is why I have started those sections[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 08:42, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:: Yes, everyone is biased but you and everyone who agrees with you. They are so biased that you require multiple discussions and pages and tangents to not a point other than "it's insulting for it to be called a Tamil film." -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:04, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

'''Comment'''

I don't know what to say. But, as per the trade is concerned, the Tamil version is lacking behind when compared to the remaining two major releases (Telugu and Hindi). If you want me to classify which language ''Baahubali'' belongs to, i would opt for a Telugu-Tamil bilingual. Because, the film's director [[S. S. Rajamouli]] told [[Indo-Asian News Service|IANS]] {{mdash}} {{xt|Given the budget of the film, it’s impossible to recover the cost involved if we release in one language. '''Right from the start, the plan was to make it as a Tamil-Telugu bilingual.''' Hence, we cast actors who are popular in both the industries.}} Here is the [http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-is-tribute-to-indian-epic-mahabharat-filmmaker-s-s-rajamouli/ reference] for the same.

When the director himself admits that ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual, i think that should be valued more than anything else. And, for all those who are concerned that Telugu cinema isn't getting its due recognition, i want to cite the case of ''[[Eega]]''. That film, also a bilingual directed by Rajamouli, received acclaim mostly for its Telugu version. National Film Awards, Filmfare Awards South and all notable awards were received by the Telugu version only. In the case of ''Baahubali'', Telugu cinema is being praised by the International media and fortunately, the same can be placed in the article and summarised in the lead provided the content is written neutrally.

So, i suggest this option {{mdash}} Specify ''Baahubali'' as an Indian bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu and Tamil. Next, specify in the poroduction section that Rajamouli planned it as a bilingual only to recover the cost involved which he found impossible if released in only one language. For all who are concerned for Telugu cinema recognition, please write the content from International magazines in a neutral way in the "Legacy" section. As per [[WP:LEAD]] the same would be summarised in the lead section where we can see a statement similar to "Due to the success of ''Baahubali'', Telugu film industry was noted and praised by International magazines such as Forbes and The Guardian". Any one who does or does not support this may explain their arguments below. [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 08:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:: You clearly don't have objective criteria here. What do you mean that by "the Tamil version is lacking"? We aren't removing it from the Tamil language just because you personally don't think it was the best version, that's a nonsensical way to categorize things. And it's not about whether the Tamil industry "deserves" or doesn't recognition, it's about a single film and what's the best way to classify the films on this page (I'm starting to learn towards a delete all the subtables and just list films approach). And if you care about more about praising Telugu cinema than anything else, [[WP:RGW|you're here for the wrong reasons]]. That's not the point of this page. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

:::I appreciate Pavanjandhyala presenting reliable sources to qualify their statements, and they are certainly right in re-asserting that the film is bilingual, but I too share your sentiment regarding the mindset that a certain industry 'deserves praise'. This page is not for 'praising' a certain 'industry'. This isn't the scope of the page. This page has absolutely nothing to do with a film's industry. I am also in agreement that all subsections should be removed. Perhaps a new RFC should be started in the near future with regards to your proposal. [[User:Elspamo4|Elspamo4]] ([[User talk:Elspamo4|talk]]) 09:13, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::If that is the case, then here is my explanation. ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual simultaneously shot in Telugu & Tamil and dubbed into Hindi in order to recover the making costs which is confirmed by its director in an interaction to IANS. There is no need to project it as only a Telugu film for the acclaim Telugu version has received because that shall not change just because the film is a bilingual. So i suggest that the film (includes both the parts) be mentioned as a bilingual one in the lead and mention in the Production section that this film was made as a bilingual to recover the making costs. What say? [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 09:22, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::: Where is this bizarro argument about only the Telugu version being acclaimed coming from? Are there sources that say that the Tamil version is horrid or something? It's literally the same film. No, that's not a solution as it entirely ignores the other language it was made in. Further, arguing about the ''reason'' a film was made in various language (again without providing sources) as a justification for how it should be categorized is again [[WP:OR|original research]] as if certain reasons (budget, financing, marketing) are good while others are not. The film was made in two languages. We should not be coming back here when the next film make in two languages (or three) [made, not dubbed that seems clear] to debate about what reasons it was made in those various languages, whether one language makes it "more" acclaimed than another or "more" amazing or whatever that accomplishes nothing here in terms of consistency and is just people here picking and choosing based on their personal interests. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:39, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::::See. I provided the source in my first message here. If you missed it, [http://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/regional/baahubali-is-tribute-to-indian-epic-mahabharat-filmmaker-s-s-rajamouli/ here] is the reference i quoted and it was not an original research as you say. With this, i can prove that ''Baahubali'' is a bilingual film. Coming to the acclaim problem, many websites such as Forbes and all mentioned the Telugu version of ''Baahubali'' in particular. This and the box office success of the film "as a whole" (i mean together in all languages) made a few quote that ''Baahubali'' is only a Telugu film. By stating the reason why this film was made as a bilingual, i want to make it clear that this is not just a Telugu film but a bilingual. Nothing else from my side. I'm done with it. What all can do after reading the content in that source carefully and this last message of mine here, please do the needy. I just wanted to make sure that the filmmaker's intention is clearly mentioned in the related articles (Baahubali: The Beginning, Production of Baahubali and Baahubali: The Conclusion) to avoid unnecessary confusions regarding the issue whether this is a bilingual or not. Thank you for letting me participate in this productive discussion and i think, its time i say good bye to this. [[User:Pavanjandhyala|Pavanjandhyala]] ([[User talk:Pavanjandhyala|talk]]) 09:48, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::::: I'm confused. How does "bilingual" = Telugu only? -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 10:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

::::::::<small>snide: It runs through the "industry" which squeezes all the Tamil out. -- [[User talk:TheRedPenOfDoom|<span style="color:red;;;">TRPoD <small>aka The Red Pen of Doom</small></span>]] 18:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)</small>

{{collapse top|Stay on the topic of arguing your viewpoints as attacking other users will not end well for you. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)}}

::::Biased edits from each user:

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673195522&oldid=673195445|diff1 user the red pen of doom]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673265324&oldid=673264595|diff2 user Ricky81682]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673271935&oldid=673271160|diff3 user Elspamo4]]

*[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673190331&oldid=673189412|diff4 user Cannolis]]

Each of the above edits show their support of Tamil language let us suppose these are all fair, but why have they not undone [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films&type=revision&diff=673266978&oldid=673265430 these] edits if they are all fair ? Inspite of seeing this information being discussed on talk page also ?? This proves their Biased nature. [[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[[User:Marchoctober|Marchoctober]] ([[User talk:Marchoctober|talk]]) 09:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

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==== Section break ====

Let me put a small break here. The point is Wikipedia categorizes Indian films by ''language'' not by so-called industry. Evidence can be seen by [[:Category:Indian films by language]]. Now, they could be misinterpreted as the same except we have '''[[English-language Indian films]]'''. The basis for inclusion there is the (primary) language in which the film was shot. There is no English-language Indian film "industry" place/populace whatever that would let us classify other films as in or out of this category other than by simple language. For the same reason, we should be classifying Baahubali as both Tamil and Telugu because it was shot in those language rather than using some personal opinions from editors as to whether a film has "sufficient" amounts of a particular film industry to be classified under that industry. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 23:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

== Protected edit request on 27 July 2015 e ==

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Please add ''[[Attarintiki Daredi]]'' to list Highest grossing Telugu films. Source: {{cite web|url=http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/south-india-dominates-regional-language-film-industry-report-114040201268_1.html|title=South India dominates regional language film industry: report|date=2 April 2014|work=Business Standard}}

And correct source for ''[[Lai Bhaari]]'' from Highest grossing Marathi films. First version was {{cite web|url=http://www.hindustantimes.com/regional/bollywood-gets-into-local-mode-eyes-marathi-cinema/article1-1267403.aspx |title=Bollywood goes local, eyes Marathi cinema|work=Hindustan Times|date=23 September 2014}}

[[User:Sudzuki Erina|Sudzuki Erina]] ([[User talk:Sudzuki Erina|talk]]) 09:56, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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: Done. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 10:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

please add this ... timepass 2 also earn 40cr ..http://rudramadevicollection.in/2015/05/timepass-2-marathi-total-collection-40-cr-in-20-days/ <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Prshntsathe|Prshntsathe]] ([[User talk:Prshntsathe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prshntsathe|contribs]]) 11:19, 30 July 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: That doesn't look like more than a [[WP:BLOGS|blog]]. There's no evidence it should be considered a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 00:08, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

== Protected edit request on 27 July 2015 f ==

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Please change sources for ''[[Magadheera]]'' and ''[[Race Gurram]]'' to properly executed {{cite web|url=http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-beats-endhirans-lifetime-box-office-record-639747|title=2nd Saturday Box Office Collection: Baahubali Beats Endhiran's Lifetime Record in 9 Days|date=19 July 2015|work=International Business Times}}

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: That article admits that those are estimates and is just repeating its numbers from [http://andhraboxoffice.com/info.aspx?id=789&cid=6&fid=26 this site] which I'm really questioning. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 09:56, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

:: OK. But that article (incorrect framed) is used now in Highest grossing Telugu films for ''[[Magadheera]]'' and ''[[Race Gurram]]''. --[[User:Sudzuki Erina|Sudzuki Erina]] ([[User talk:Sudzuki Erina|talk]]) 11:30, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

::: [[WP:DEADLINE]] lol. We'll fix these things eventually. - [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 19:31, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

::::Is there support for this change? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 21:49, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

== Collecion Update ==

Please update baahubali collections to 462 crores. <ref>http://www.ibtimes.co.in/baahubali-bahubali-3rd-week-box-office-collection-prabhas-film-grosses-462-crore-21-days-641133</ref>[[User:Aloosamosa|Aloosamosa]] ([[User talk:Aloosamosa|talk]]) 12:43, 31 July 2015 (UTC)