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Hello everyone, here I found a book that mentions the fact that lions are the mammals with the highest percentage of skeletal muscle among all mammals. 58.8% (It is mentioned rounded up as 59%), 1.31 times more than the average mammal. It is on page 19.

Source:

-Calder, W. A. (1996). Size, function, and life history. Courier Corporation.

https://books.google.es/books?hl=es&lr=&id=-iBS6-2OO3wC&oi=fnd&pg=PR5&dq=Size,+function,+and+life+history&ots=CSR0pp2Ml9&sig=K8oavtJ_3iXLhKqihOxKCeI8sv4#v=onepage&q&f=false

I hope to hear from you. And I hope to see if you accept this information in the next edition.

I would like for the word "Antelope" to link to the antelope wiki page. Ejmayo15 (talk) 20:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:23, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

At lion:

"Panthera is phonetically similar to the Sanskrit word पाण्डर pând-ara meaning 'pale yellow, whitish, white'."

At Panthera:

"The phonetically similar Sanskrit word पाण्डर pând-ara means 'pale yellow, whitish, white'."

Phonetic similarity is an irrelevant coincidence unless there is also some etymological connection. I suggest that either the etymological connection is stated or the sentence is deleted if none is known. 2A00:23C8:7B08:6A00:45FA:4CE:A465:F912 (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi,

i think the informations about the body size is not conclusive. So i suggest to make averages for all regions that differ noticably as they could even be claimed as seperate subsepcies. The measurements, skull differnces suggest that as well.

For example the average for 175 kg east african lions is not the only data.

Bertram et al gives the average for East African lions at 187 kg on a empty stomach (. Professor Robert Kock(Chef KWS vet) euthanized a male lion in 1993 because of domestic stock raiding in Kenya. The weight was 272 kg on a empty stomach as he said it to me in a personal communication.

The 272 kg lion was NMK OM 7935 and from Nowell and Jacksons page 42 https://portals.iucn.org/library/efiles/documents/1996-008.pdf

And more detailed infos from Gnoskes study at page 27 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/250181260_The_Science_of_'ManEating'_Among_Lions_Panthera_leo_With_a_Reconstruction_of_the_Natural_History_of_the_'Man-Eaters_of_Tsavo'

For South African Lions from Kruger NP the average for 16 males was 200.01 kg. (Lions infected with tubercolosis not included because the symptoms are heavy weight loss and 5 males out of the 16 infected liond even died and no one surpassed the age of 10 years) https://www.sanparks.org/parks/kruger/conservation/scientific/projects/Project_Reports_PDF/73.pdf

From A. Roberts(famous zoologist) it can be seen a lion of 251 kg in Kruger NP was recorded. Page 192 https://books.google.de/books?id=gzg_AAAAYAAJ&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&hl=de&redir_esc=y

In Etosha Dr Huberry(Rip) captured 10 males with a average weight of 190 kg and the heaviest was 260 kg http://the-eis.com/elibrary/sites/default/files/downloads/literature/Contraception_reproduction%20and%20demography%20of%20free_ranging%20Etosha%20lions.pdf

Personal Communication i had wwith him. He provided more infos about this lion to me.. 191 cm length, chest: 139cm, height: 106 cm, weight: 260 kg

And i can provide official lion weights of 280 kg from Timbavati but they werent published in a study. I contacted the ecologist and the normal email adress of timbavati. The lion had a mate who was also weighed at 250 kg but that doesnt matter now.

--YusufCatLover (talk) 19:22, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

LittleJerry, friends, lionfolk, lend me your ears. A schism exists among us today, basically centred on whether Far Eastern, Middle Eastern and Near Eastern cultural significance of Leo should be understood relative to Old World approximation of the Western world that ended in the Sea, or post-15th century thinking, wherein Western culture is pretty much dominated by stuff from New York and Los Angeles (but also encompasses parts of Southern Ontario, South Australia and South Africa).

As a Roman Catholic Algonquin metalheaded forest spirit, I personally feel the subsection in question deals almost exclusively with the times and spaces living people collectively prefer to group as "European", or pertaining to Europe (minus the MGM mascot, arguably). But I appreciate how an editor who identifies as an Anglo-Saxon Protestant technopunk urban dweller (or other class) might read it differently. What say you, international volunteer committee? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:13, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Come to think of it, there's probably enough lion-related content to spin out a North American branch entirely. Off the top of my head, I can think of two teams Europeans wouldn't think of as football clubs and two luchadores the Turks, Uzbeks and Mongolians don't likely consider famous wrestlers. And there are multimedia licensing discrepancies, too. All in favour of recognizing/recognising at least the potential for a breakaway sublevel of trivial organization/organisation? Aye. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:00, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You should ping others too, Casliber, SilverTiger12 and BhagyaMani. No we should not be splitting the sections over technicalities. They are nice and broad and this is an article on an animal, not a culture article. "Western world" is accurate enough for this. LittleJerry (talk) 13:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree to both, accurate enough + NOT split. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:22, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice to hear from and meet you. New here, so no idea who I should have pinged. I only singled out Jerry because we met in the reversion. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. greetings. I agree with LittleJerry and BhagyaMani that "Western World" is an appropriate term for the section- and any cultural content in the section should be restricted to only the most significant, long-term stuff; hair-splitting sections doesn't exactly encourage that parsimony.

Those are some rather fascinating descriptions you used, by the way, and welcome to either Wikipedia (or this region of Wikipedia). Happy editing, SilverTiger12 (talk) 17:53, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have no strong leaning either way really, though "Western World" more inclusive and more aptly covers books etc. described Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:02, 22 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so everyone's here now, greetings and salutations! Seems clear there's consensus against splitting or renaming "Western world", and that's just peachy. But for consistency and dualism's sake, could it also be ducky to have an "Eastern world", comprising cultural bits and bobs from the Near, Far and seemingly forgotten Middle? InedibleHulk (talk) 06:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Something tells me I should also invite LionMans Account, strictly at face value, possibly just for an outside opinion. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You shouldn't invite someone who is not a contributor to the article. LittleJerry (talk) 13:22, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't that how you guys started, as outsiders? Maybe not. In any case, this was enlightening, but I've said my piece and whoever wants to take it or leave it can. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)\[reply]

InedibleHulk, when ahead and divided it into Africa, Asia and the west. Three paragraphs each = better balance. LittleJerry (talk) 22:41, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

When we met, you seemed to say this wasn't geographical. I think Eastern world would make that clearer than Asia, and better complement its opposite. But three is tighter than four, in this context, thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]