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== "simulating sex" is homophobic phrasing ==
== Central African Rainforest Zone and the Sahara Desert ==


I.e. from "Males will also head-rub and roll around with each other before simulating sex together." under "Behaviour and ecology" then "Reproduction and life cycle". They have sex. [[Special:Contributions/31.20.106.40|31.20.106.40]] ([[User talk:31.20.106.40|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
I couldn't find anything regarding the following statement in the source mentioned:
"In Africa, the range of the lion originally spanned most of the central African rainforest zone and the Sahara desert."


=== No it's not. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.56.82.219|172.56.82.219]] ([[User talk:172.56.82.219#top|talk]]) 09:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign -->
Maybe the sentence is meant to be the following, because that source particularly asserts the exact opposite:
"The range of the lion originally spanned most of Africa except the central African rainforest zone and the Sahara desert." [[Special:Contributions/82.222.98.119|82.222.98.119]] ([[User talk:82.222.98.119|talk]]) 20:37, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023 ==
:There is a problem with the use of 'originally' as this is an undefined baseline, and doesn't do justice to the changing climatic conditions of Africa and the Near East during the Holocene. The range of the lion has spanned most of Africa and the Near East during more favorable climatic conditions since the Last Glacial Maximum ~21ka. This has included drier, more open habitats in what is now the African Rainforest Zone, and wetter conditions during the mid-Holocene Green Sahara/Arabia. Lion range has contracted following afforestation of the Congo basin, desertification of the Sahara, and simultaneous increase in human pastoral practices. See Cooper et al., 2021. A kingdom in decline: Holocene range contraction of the lion (Panthera leo) modeled with global environmental stratification. https://peerj.com/articles/10504/ [[Special:Contributions/195.195.244.20|195.195.244.20]] ([[User talk:195.195.244.20|talk]]) 11:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)


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==[[WP:URFA/2020]] ==
Mountain Lions, Cougars, and Puma are classified as Lions. Fix it.
[[:File:Lion distribution.png]]'s description says in the "source" field:
* "For the historic distribution, which will never be completely accurate, I used information here on Wikipedia with its own sources."
** Looks like a case of [[WP:CIRCULAR]].
* "The present distribution in Africa is based upon a map created by 'The African Lion Environmental Research Trust (ALERT) which can be viewed here. http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/lion-reintroduction.html#cr. While I consider this a reliable source, I researched two countries in depth to verify this, Uganda and Namibia. The map is indeed correctly shaded in the National Parks where lions are present. However I did not include the 'Occasional' shaded areas as these are obviously much more ambiguous."
** I tried to find an archived version of that map and couldn't. It now redirects to [https://www.petside.com/wildlife-extra/#cr Petside], a website that "[https://www.petside.com/about-us/ offers practical advice on how to best care for pets]". Doesn't look like a reliable source to me.


X == Asia & Africa are native to lions
Do we have a better map? [[User:A455bcd9|A455bcd9]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 14:47, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Y == + America (that is all)


Having ignorant people remove edits without looking into knowledge learned before them, is pathetic.
Maybe {{u|BhagyaMani}} can make a new map using [https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/15951/115130419 this]? [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 00:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


Such a simple fix I thought most knew. [[Special:Contributions/172.56.82.219|172.56.82.219]] ([[User talk:172.56.82.219|talk]]) 09:13, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]]: the IUCN could be used for the current distribution but not for the "historic distribution" as shown on the current map ([[:File:Lion distribution.png]]). [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 08:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> No. They are a separate species from proper lions. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 09:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
::For the historic distribution I found the following sources:
::* [https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/38/1/48/5871931 Figure 1 in Spatiotemporal Genetic Diversity of Lions Reveals the Influence of Habitat Fragmentation across Africa] '''(the closest to our map)'''
::* [https://www.nature.com/articles/srep30807/figures/2 Figure 2 From: Phylogeographic Patterns in Africa and High Resolution Delineation of Genetic Clades in the Lion (Panthera leo)]
::* [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Historic-and-present-distribution-of-the-lion-Panthera-leo-in-Africa_fig1_289250903 Fig 3 in The Decline in the Lion Population in Africa and Possible Mitigation Measures]
::* [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Current-and-most-recent-historical-distribution-of-lions-Panthera-leo-in-sub-Saharan_fig1_307466213 Figure in The Challenges and Relevance of Exploring the Genetics of North Africa's (Barbary Lion) and the Conservation of Putative Descendants in Captivity] => for the most recent "historic" distribution
::Other maps but probably not relevant here:
::* [https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1000251.g001 Figure 1 in The Evolutionary Dynamics of the Lion Panthera leo Revealed by Host and Viral Population Genomics] (nice map but authors are from a cancer institute, so not the subject-matter experts?)
::* [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/A-map-of-the-approximate-distributions-of-late-Pleistocene-lions-and-the-provenance-of_fig1_304382290 Figure 2 in Mitogenomics of the Extinct Cave Lion, Panthera spelaea (Goldfuss, 1810), Resolve its Position within the Panthera Cats] => but late Pleistocene
::* [https://doi-org.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/10.1111/j.1365-294X.2009.04134.x Figure 1 in Phylogeography of lions (Panthera leo ssp.) reveals three distinct taxa and a late Pleistocene reduction in genetic diversity]: but this is the late Pleistocene period
::Other maps but not [[WP:RS]]:
::* [https://www.wildcru.org/news/baselines-to-assess-decline-and-recovery-lions/] by [[WildCRU]]
::* [https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Current-and-historic-range-map-of-the-African-lion-Source-Panthera-2009-Population_fig6_316429973 Figure 13 in Source: Panthera 2009 Comparison of national wildlife management strategies: What works where, and why?]
::* [https://www.lionrecoveryfund.org/distribution-status/ Lion Recovery Fund]
::I would use the first map (Figure 1 in Spatiotemporal Genetic Diversity of Lions Reveals the Influence of Habitat Fragmentation across Africa) or a combination of the first 4 maps. [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 09:07, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:::Okay, but we still have to remove its historic range from some places like the Arabian Peninsula and the Caucasus. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 18:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
::::[[File:Map lion samples and variability genetic markers.png|thumb]]
::::Yes for sure. I suggested we could use the above sources to create a new map.
::::A temporary easy solution is to upload [https://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article/figure?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1000251.g001 this image] as [https://plos.org/terms-of-use/ all images on PLOS are licensed under CC BY SA]. I've just done it, I'll try to crop it now and replace the current map while waiting for a better version. [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 18:53, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:::::OK, I tried... Removing all the labels is just too hard for me... [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 18:57, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, can. And think that a map based on latest IUCN RL data would be the best solution. [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 17:46, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
::@[[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] thanks! Wouldn't it be good to add the [https://academic.oup.com/mbe/article/38/1/48/5871931 historic range] as well? Or maybe on another map? [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 19:48, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
:The next best option, imo, is to wait for an update of the iucn RL assessment. This is likely to be published next year, and then we can use the new map in the taxobox. Thoughts? – [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 13:17, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
::Yes @[[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]], I agree we could wait for the current distribution but:
::# What about the historic distribution? We don't need to wait for the IUCN for that
::# What about the unsourced map currently on this article? Should we keep it or remove it?
::[[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 13:19, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
:::The current unsourced map has been there for so loooong that we can keep it for few more months. Therefore imo: '''replace''' it by the new map, once available. – [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 13:38, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
::::I agree, thanks! [[User:A455bcd9|a455bcd9 (Antoine)]] ([[User talk:A455bcd9|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2022 (UTC)


== Featured Images ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 11 April 2023 ==


I’d like to suggest a change to the featured images, or in the very least to the lioness image. I’m a little biased, of course, as the images are my own. The [[c:File:Lion_waiting_in_Namibia.jpg|current male]] is a stunning specimen, so I won’t be too disappointed if the consensus is to keep it. Lions in sanctuaries are always just so majestic! This is a photo the biggest male I’ve seen, and my proposed [[c:File:Lion_at_Working_with_Wildlife_South_Africa.jpg|male image]].
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[[Special:Contributions/119.73.102.3|119.73.102.3]] ([[User talk:119.73.102.3|talk]]) 09:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
[[Animal Battle]]
:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:LilianaUwU|<span style="font-family:default;color:#00c6ff;">''Liliana''</span><span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:#ff879a;">''UwU''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:LilianaUwU|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/LilianaUwU|contributions]])</sup> 09:22, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


For a lioness, this is my [[c:File:Lioness_at_Working_with_Wildlife_South_Africa.jpg|proposed photo]] and the most impressive female I’ve ever seen. Bias aside, I really think she is a perfect example and an improvement over the current lioness image. Hopefully my contribution can help! [[User:AfricanConservation|AfricanConservation]] ([[User talk:AfricanConservation|talk]]) 15:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
== From the "Mane" section ==
*'''Oppose''' because the descriptions of both images contain a link to an organisation with which you are apparently affiliated. As User:331dot already explained to you on your talk page : this kind of advertising constitutes a conflict of interest. Remove this link, and I may change my mind. – [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 02:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*:Apologies, these photos were uploaded before my talk with User:331dot and clarified. Link removed from both images. [[User:AfricanConservation|AfricanConservation]] ([[User talk:AfricanConservation|talk]]) 04:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2024 ==
''This feature likely evolved to signal the fitness of males to females and not to protect the neck. During fights, including those involving maneless females and adolescents, the neck is not targeted as much as the face, back and hindquarters.''


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But couldn't this be evidence of the mane's protective qualities? Cats (including lions) generally kill their prey by attacking the neck, but male lions can't easily do that to each other because of all the hair in the way. So they have to target other parts of the body. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:6D0:5160:21D8:A65B:DD4A:11C8|2600:1702:6D0:5160:21D8:A65B:DD4A:11C8]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:6D0:5160:21D8:A65B:DD4A:11C8|talk]]) 00:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
In cultural significance -> western world the third sentence starts with: "Tfhe lion is featured in several of Aesop's fables...". There's a typo on the article, so "Tfhe" should be changed to "The". Thanks! [[User:Bullerr|Bullerr]] ([[User talk:Bullerr|talk]]) 16:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Thank you! --[[User:TheImaCow|TheImaCow]] ([[User talk:TheImaCow#top|talk]]) 21:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


== Bite force ==
:Did you read the part were female lions and maneless adolescents also don't target the neck? [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 03:16, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


Hello to all of you. I added information on the biteforce of ''Panthera leo'' because other ''Pantheras'' have this information. I put it up here to let the three major page contributors—BhagyaMani, LittleJerry, and Casliber—know. As I can personally attest to, readers find this kind of information to be really helpful, so I advise leaving the edit rather than rolling it back. Having been a Wikipedia reader since 2018, I was dismayed to see no mention of bite force on any of my favorite articles. I hope I was able to serve the readers here. [[User:Wolverine XI|<span style="color:#000080;">'''''Wolverine'''''</span> <span style="color:#8A307F;">'''''XI'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Wolverine XI|<span style="color:#2C5F2D;">talk to me</span>]])</sup> 17:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
== "simulating sex" is homophobic phrasing ==

I.e. from "Males will also head-rub and roll around with each other before simulating sex together." under "Behaviour and ecology" then "Reproduction and life cycle". They have sex. [[Special:Contributions/31.20.106.40|31.20.106.40]] ([[User talk:31.20.106.40|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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"simulating sex" is homophobic phrasing

I.e. from "Males will also head-rub and roll around with each other before simulating sex together." under "Behaviour and ecology" then "Reproduction and life cycle". They have sex. 31.20.106.40 (talk) 10:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

=== No it's not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.82.219 (talk) 09:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023

Mountain Lions, Cougars, and Puma are classified as Lions. Fix it.

X == Asia & Africa are native to lions Y == + America (that is all)

Having ignorant people remove edits without looking into knowledge learned before them, is pathetic.

Such a simple fix I thought most knew. 172.56.82.219 (talk) 09:13, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: No. They are a separate species from proper lions. Meters (talk) 09:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Images

I’d like to suggest a change to the featured images, or in the very least to the lioness image. I’m a little biased, of course, as the images are my own. The current male is a stunning specimen, so I won’t be too disappointed if the consensus is to keep it. Lions in sanctuaries are always just so majestic! This is a photo the biggest male I’ve seen, and my proposed male image.

For a lioness, this is my proposed photo and the most impressive female I’ve ever seen. Bias aside, I really think she is a perfect example and an improvement over the current lioness image. Hopefully my contribution can help! AfricanConservation (talk) 15:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose because the descriptions of both images contain a link to an organisation with which you are apparently affiliated. As User:331dot already explained to you on your talk page : this kind of advertising constitutes a conflict of interest. Remove this link, and I may change my mind. – BhagyaMani (talk) 02:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies, these photos were uploaded before my talk with User:331dot and clarified. Link removed from both images. AfricanConservation (talk) 04:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2024

In cultural significance -> western world the third sentence starts with: "Tfhe lion is featured in several of Aesop's fables...". There's a typo on the article, so "Tfhe" should be changed to "The". Thanks! Bullerr (talk) 16:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thank you! --TheImaCow (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bite force

Hello to all of you. I added information on the biteforce of Panthera leo because other Pantheras have this information. I put it up here to let the three major page contributors—BhagyaMani, LittleJerry, and Casliber—know. As I can personally attest to, readers find this kind of information to be really helpful, so I advise leaving the edit rather than rolling it back. Having been a Wikipedia reader since 2018, I was dismayed to see no mention of bite force on any of my favorite articles. I hope I was able to serve the readers here. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 17:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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