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== From the "Mane" section ==

''This feature likely evolved to signal the fitness of males to females and not to protect the neck. During fights, including those involving maneless females and adolescents, the neck is not targeted as much as the face, back and hindquarters.''

But couldn't this be evidence of the mane's protective qualities? Cats (including lions) generally kill their prey by attacking the neck, but male lions can't easily do that to each other because of all the hair in the way. So they have to target other parts of the body. [[Special:Contributions/2600:1702:6D0:5160:21D8:A65B:DD4A:11C8|2600:1702:6D0:5160:21D8:A65B:DD4A:11C8]] ([[User talk:2600:1702:6D0:5160:21D8:A65B:DD4A:11C8|talk]]) 00:05, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

:Did you read the part were female lions and maneless adolescents also don't target the neck? [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 03:16, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
:This section also directly contradicts what is stated on the [[Maneless lion]] page, that "The purpose of the mane is thought to protect the lion in territorial fights". Which one is it? [[Special:Contributions/72.66.107.22|72.66.107.22]] ([[User talk:72.66.107.22|talk]]) 01:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
::It depends on which experts you believe. Some experts believe that it's for mating, and others believe that it can defend the lion's throat, in a fight with another lion or felid. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 16:11, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


== "simulating sex" is homophobic phrasing ==
== "simulating sex" is homophobic phrasing ==


I.e. from "Males will also head-rub and roll around with each other before simulating sex together." under "Behaviour and ecology" then "Reproduction and life cycle". They have sex. [[Special:Contributions/31.20.106.40|31.20.106.40]] ([[User talk:31.20.106.40|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
I.e. from "Males will also head-rub and roll around with each other before simulating sex together." under "Behaviour and ecology" then "Reproduction and life cycle". They have sex. [[Special:Contributions/31.20.106.40|31.20.106.40]] ([[User talk:31.20.106.40|talk]]) 10:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
== Featured picture scheduled for POTD ==

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== Cathemerality ==


=== No it's not. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.56.82.219|172.56.82.219]] ([[User talk:172.56.82.219#top|talk]]) 09:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Xsign -->
The article for [[Cathemerality]] describes lions as a cathemeral species however this article calls them "usually more diurnal" and "adapts to being active at night and at twilight" linking to all articles about modes of behaviour in regards to activity except cathemerality which seems quite vague and is also unsourced on this page. Meanwhile using Cathemeral would encompass all three in fewer words and be clearer. [[User:EldritchEmpress|EldritchEmpress]] ([[User talk:EldritchEmpress|talk]]) 09:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023 ==
:{{u|EldritchEmpress}} Interesting. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 08:16, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


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== Why did tigers, with their powerful bites, find it hard to penetrate lions' manes? ==
Mountain Lions, Cougars, and Puma are classified as Lions. Fix it.
{{hat|Per [[WP:NOTFORUM]] go find somewhere off-Wikipedia to engage in your interminable infantile 'lion-vs-tiger squabbles. We don't fucking care. [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]]) 02:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)}}}
{{ping|BhagyaMani|LittleJerry}} Believe it or not, a number of [[tiger]]s have [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gObyxvKn-NE found it hard to penetrate the manes of male lions], and I have other cases as well! Tigers are supposed to have stronger bites than lions, so it doesn't make sense that if the mane offers no protection, then those tigers would find it hard to kill male lions by biting their throats! What I am basically saying is that the issue of whether or not the mane offers protection to the male lion is like the issue of whether a lion would beat a tiger in a fight, or vice-versa! If we are not going to have ''Tiger versus lion'' in Wikipedia, then I request that we ignore the controversial issue of whether or not the mane offers protection, and state what has been agreed, like that lionesses prefer male lions with large, dark manes! [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 07:53, 28 August 2023 (UTC)


X == Asia & Africa are native to lions
:No original research. We are going with what experts say not some users personal bias. Two users have reverted you so stop with the edit warring. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 12:44, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
Y == + America (that is all)
::It depends on which experts you're talking about. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lion&diff=prev&oldid=1173462413 I agree] with what BhagyaMani [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lion&diff=prev&oldid=1173450205 said]. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 14:24, 2 September 2023 (UTC); edited 15:59, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
:::Those are poor sources compared to want we have. Packer goes into detail and provides evidence as to why the manes are not for protection. A 20+ year old statement that they "could" be used have been used for protection doesn't compare. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 19:56, 2 September 2023 (UTC)


Having ignorant people remove edits without looking into knowledge learned before them, is pathetic.
: Let's just leave it at that, experts disagree as to whether or not the mane can protect the male lion's throat or neck in confrontations, for different reasons! Putting all the evidence together, the mane offers a degree of protection, but it's not perfect. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 07:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
: This proves that you are the one with personal bias, not me! Where it suits you, you will use experts to say that the mane doesn't offer protection, but ignore the evidence which states otherwise! What scientists or experts say must be backed up with evidence, otherwise, it is irrelevant! What I said above is factually correct, that a number of tigers have found it hard to penetrate the lion's mane, and not all experts, who have studied lions or big cats, agree with Packer, whose study doesn't take into account what happened elsewhere! [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 12:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
::Did you not pay attention to what I said. "Packer goes into detail and provides evidence as to why the manes are not for protection." This is discussed in the article itself! You think a videos of a captive fight between a lion and tiger narrated by an anonymous person is on that level then you shouldn't be editing a FA. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 12:56, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
: Now [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lion&diff=prev&oldid=1173596617 that] was nice. Tigers and other felids often aim for the throats or napes, but for lions, it's different! If the lion's mane offered no protection at all, then the fighting style of lions should be like that of tigers and other felids, in which they aim for the throats and napes! Basically, there is evidence for and against the idea of the mane protecting the throat or neck. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 12:55, 3 September 2023 (UTC); edited 13:15, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
::OR. Thats on tigers not lions. Unmaned lions generally don't target the neck. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 14:26, 3 September 2023 (UTC)


Such a simple fix I thought most knew. [[Special:Contributions/172.56.82.219|172.56.82.219]] ([[User talk:172.56.82.219|talk]]) 09:13, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
: That is precisely what I was saying! Tigers and other felids aim for the necks, whereas lions generally don't, so lions have a style of fighting which is different to tigers and other felids! If the mane offered no protection, then lions should be doing what tigers and other felids do, that is to target the neck! [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 10:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
::This isn't an argument you are going to win, so please stop being disruptive. [[User:SilverTiger12|SilverTiger12]] ([[User talk:SilverTiger12|talk]]) 17:22, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> No. They are a separate species from proper lions. [[User:Meters|Meters]] ([[User talk:Meters|talk]]) 09:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
: Not all experts agree with Packer, so [[WP:Boomerang]]! [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 08:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
::Do you literally just not pay attention to what the other person is saying? '''"Unmaned lions generally don't target the neck"''' "During fights, '''including those involving maneless females and adolescents''', the neck is not targeted as much as the face, back and hindquarters." [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 22:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


== Featured Images ==
: Wrong, lions are social animals, unlike most other felids. Cubs get taught how to hunt and fight from their parents, who have a different lifestyle to most other felids. Does that help to explain why maneless lions fight in a different way to tigers? [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 07:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC); edited 08:05, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


I’d like to suggest a change to the featured images, or in the very least to the lioness image. I’m a little biased, of course, as the images are my own. The [[c:File:Lion_waiting_in_Namibia.jpg|current male]] is a stunning specimen, so I won’t be too disappointed if the consensus is to keep it. Lions in sanctuaries are always just so majestic! This is a photo the biggest male I’ve seen, and my proposed [[c:File:Lion_at_Working_with_Wildlife_South_Africa.jpg|male image]].
I agree with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lion&diff=prev&oldid=1174655026 this edit]. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 08:38, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


For a lioness, this is my [[c:File:Lioness_at_Working_with_Wildlife_South_Africa.jpg|proposed photo]] and the most impressive female I’ve ever seen. Bias aside, I really think she is a perfect example and an improvement over the current lioness image. Hopefully my contribution can help! [[User:AfricanConservation|AfricanConservation]] ([[User talk:AfricanConservation|talk]]) 15:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
:Please stop trying [[WP:BLUDGEON]] into getting your way. Drop it. [[User:SilverTiger12|SilverTiger12]] ([[User talk:SilverTiger12|talk]]) 12:50, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' because the descriptions of both images contain a link to an organisation with which you are apparently affiliated. As User:331dot already explained to you on your talk page : this kind of advertising constitutes a conflict of interest. Remove this link, and I may change my mind. – [[User:BhagyaMani|BhagyaMani]] ([[User talk:BhagyaMani|talk]]) 02:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
{{u|SilverTiger12}} I said that I agree with [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lion&diff=prev&oldid=1174655026 this edit] of LittleJerry, so stop your needless arguments! You get into arguments or conflicts for no reason! [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 13:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC); edited 13:22, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
*:Apologies, these photos were uploaded before my talk with User:331dot and clarified. Link removed from both images. [[User:AfricanConservation|AfricanConservation]] ([[User talk:AfricanConservation|talk]]) 04:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
*As per the above, the notion that the mane protects in fights seems to be not supported by a the recent sources mentioned, and we should not even mention this at all - particularly not with the unattributed phrasing "some say..." which is contrary to [[WP:WEASEL]]. Per [[WP:DUEWEIGHT]], we should revert to the FA situation of not mentioning this at all, and I have removed it again. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 14:51, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2024 ==
{{u|Amakuru}} Amongst others, Dereck Joubert and Kailash Sankhala said that the mane does protect the lion's neck, so like I said above, this is a disputed topic. After [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lion&diff=prev&oldid=1172486080 attempting to hide the controversy from the article], I actually [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lion&diff=prev&oldid=1172625107 requested] that we ignore the controversial issue of whether or not the mane offers protection, and state what has been agreed, like that lionesses prefer male lions with large, dark manes! [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 15:50, 11 September 2023 (UTC); edited 15:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


{{edit semi-protected|Lion|answered=yes}}
{{u|LittleJerry}} Let me ask you something. Normally, you are happy to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiger&diff=prev&oldid=1171893904 trim stuff], and get into conflict with other users, like myself and {{u|BhagyaMani}}, by doing so. So this time, why are you [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lion&diff=prev&oldid=1174978268 insistent] on keeping a [[Wikipedia:Describing points of view|WP:one-sided argument]]? If this isn't personal bias, then what is it? [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 08:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC); edited 08:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
In cultural significance -> western world the third sentence starts with: "Tfhe lion is featured in several of Aesop's fables...". There's a typo on the article, so "Tfhe" should be changed to "The". Thanks! [[User:Bullerr|Bullerr]] ([[User talk:Bullerr|talk]]) 16:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Thank you! --[[User:TheImaCow|TheImaCow]] ([[User talk:TheImaCow#top|talk]]) 21:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


== Bite force ==
:Dude, stop being creepy and trying to dig through my edit history in hopes of making a petty point. I can trim things that I think are unimportant and add things that I think are important. Now, stop beating a dead horse and move on. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 13:55, 12 September 2023 (UTC)


Hello to all of you. I added information on the biteforce of ''Panthera leo'' because other ''Pantheras'' have this information. I put it up here to let the three major page contributors—BhagyaMani, LittleJerry, and Casliber—know. As I can personally attest to, readers find this kind of information to be really helpful, so I advise leaving the edit rather than rolling it back. Having been a Wikipedia reader since 2018, I was dismayed to see no mention of bite force on any of my favorite articles. I hope I was able to serve the readers here. [[User:Wolverine XI|<span style="color:#000080;">'''''Wolverine'''''</span> <span style="color:#8A307F;">'''''XI'''''</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Wolverine XI|<span style="color:#2C5F2D;">talk to me</span>]])</sup> 17:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
: So basically, you're happy to trim the work of others, like myself and {{u|E.poul}}, but not that the same should be done to you. If that's how you feel, then I advise you to join a forum, where you can argue whatever you want, without that fear. [[User:Leo1pard|Leo1pard]] ([[User talk:Leo1pard|talk]]) 14:56, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
::You're bordering on [[Wikipedia:HOUND]]. [[User:LittleJerry|LittleJerry]] ([[User talk:LittleJerry|talk]]) 15:50, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
{{hab}}

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"simulating sex" is homophobic phrasing

I.e. from "Males will also head-rub and roll around with each other before simulating sex together." under "Behaviour and ecology" then "Reproduction and life cycle". They have sex. 31.20.106.40 (talk) 10:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

=== No it's not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.56.82.219 (talk) 09:15, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 October 2023

Mountain Lions, Cougars, and Puma are classified as Lions. Fix it.

X == Asia & Africa are native to lions Y == + America (that is all)

Having ignorant people remove edits without looking into knowledge learned before them, is pathetic.

Such a simple fix I thought most knew. 172.56.82.219 (talk) 09:13, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: No. They are a separate species from proper lions. Meters (talk) 09:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Images

I’d like to suggest a change to the featured images, or in the very least to the lioness image. I’m a little biased, of course, as the images are my own. The current male is a stunning specimen, so I won’t be too disappointed if the consensus is to keep it. Lions in sanctuaries are always just so majestic! This is a photo the biggest male I’ve seen, and my proposed male image.

For a lioness, this is my proposed photo and the most impressive female I’ve ever seen. Bias aside, I really think she is a perfect example and an improvement over the current lioness image. Hopefully my contribution can help! AfricanConservation (talk) 15:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose because the descriptions of both images contain a link to an organisation with which you are apparently affiliated. As User:331dot already explained to you on your talk page : this kind of advertising constitutes a conflict of interest. Remove this link, and I may change my mind. – BhagyaMani (talk) 02:18, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Apologies, these photos were uploaded before my talk with User:331dot and clarified. Link removed from both images. AfricanConservation (talk) 04:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2024

In cultural significance -> western world the third sentence starts with: "Tfhe lion is featured in several of Aesop's fables...". There's a typo on the article, so "Tfhe" should be changed to "The". Thanks! Bullerr (talk) 16:01, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Thank you! --TheImaCow (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bite force

Hello to all of you. I added information on the biteforce of Panthera leo because other Pantheras have this information. I put it up here to let the three major page contributors—BhagyaMani, LittleJerry, and Casliber—know. As I can personally attest to, readers find this kind of information to be really helpful, so I advise leaving the edit rather than rolling it back. Having been a Wikipedia reader since 2018, I was dismayed to see no mention of bite force on any of my favorite articles. I hope I was able to serve the readers here. Wolverine XI (talk to me) 17:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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