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They appeared on Family Guy so why not add it to the Legacy and depiction in popular culture section. [[User:CarverSindile|CarverSindile]] ([[User talk:CarverSindile|talk]]) 03:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC) |
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"The case created a popular sensation at the time and was a frequent subject of jokes and joking references." |
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== Switch the name order == |
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Can you imagine if the situation was reversed, and John had cut off her clitoris or nipples? He would be hated, reviled, and demonized. Why is it OK to injure men and not women? Feminism creates some ridiculous double-standards - don't be fooled! |
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Lorena is the more known personality, and the active participant in the affair. I know sexist conventions say to put his name first, but we should be better than this. [[Special:Contributions/2601:200:4401:4100:2752:D6:8E97:E6B8|2601:200:4401:4100:2752:D6:8E97:E6B8]] ([[User talk:2601:200:4401:4100:2752:D6:8E97:E6B8|talk]]) 19:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC) |
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:Yes, and your point is...? (BTW, it's not Wikipedia's fault that it became a popular joke; you're commenting not on the article, but the subject thereof, so again - what's your point?) |
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:True that. Besides he’s not even a man anymore if you know what I mean. [[Special:Contributions/71.176.76.206|71.176.76.206]] ([[User talk:71.176.76.206|talk]]) 01:27, 11 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:Coincidentally, I think that you're making a mountain out of a molehill - or rather, forgetting certain rather key facts. Said facts would be the fact that John Bobbit has since HIMSELF made a mint off of appearances that play off his very misfortune (even starring in a porno where his character loses part of his penis and moans "Not again!")... as well as the fact that the case is probably as famous as it is in part because people DO, as much as they may joke, still find Lorena the wacko and John the poor victim (even though he apparently was somewhat abusive to his wives in general, if the court cases are any indication). It's not like people forget that you'd have to be psychoticly out of your mind to chop off ANY body part from somebody, let alone sensitive sexual organs. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/68.207.106.58|68.207.106.58]] ([[User talk:68.207.106.58|talk]]) 03:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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::If you care about the order of the names, just list them in alphabetical order. That said... |
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::"I know '''sexist conventions''' say to put his name first, but we should be better than this." |
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::"True that. Besides he’s '''not even a man anymore''' if you know what I mean." |
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::If the genders were reversed, you people would scream blood and murder. You may not realize but saying things like this is even a worse form of a sexual convention, namely; "You are only a man if you have male genitals." You probably think, "Don't take it too seriously, it's just a joke..'. If so, you fail to realize you also give permission to males making jokes about females missing genitals. If you disagree and say men can't joke about that, then you say that you can make jokes about men all you like, just not women. This would also be deeply sexist. This is really a slippery slope. Don't make this about politics, keep your own bias to yourself. This is Wikipedia, not Reddit or Twitter. [[Special:Contributions/89.205.129.228|89.205.129.228]] ([[User talk:89.205.129.228|talk]]) 15:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Reportedly around April 2001 there was an incident like this one, but it got less media attention than the John Wayne Bobbitt and Lorena Gallo Bobbitt case. The man actually died from blood loss, but the case was, curiously, prosecuted as a battery incident causing substantial bodily harm rather than a homicide case. The names were apparently also withheld for privacy reasons. |
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Wrongly prosecuted |
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Few basic things that are ignored in the article and in the process that ware in case of John and Lorena Bobbitt is that women cannot be raped by her husband while being married to that same husband. Also man cannot be raped by wife while being married to that same wife. There can be a case of abuse but the act of fucking is part of a marriage agreement part of marriage obligations. The person can be charged for domestic violence if is beating a wife but not for rape. And that woman should be charged with assault with deadly weapon with intention to carry out serious injury or cause death. Those things if there ware ever a new court-hearing for that case and re-examination should be specifically counted for. |
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==Severed penis pic== |
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I think the penis pick should be removed. Too graphic. Perhaps it can be lowered in the page so people can be warned first?<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:24.9.154.246|24.9.154.246]] ([[User talk:24.9.154.246|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/24.9.154.246|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small> |
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:[[WP:NOT|Wikipedia is not censored]]. I wouldn't mind it being moved down, though. --<font color="orange"><strike>''[[User:Rory096|Rory]]''<font color="green">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|0]]</font>'''[[User talk:Rory096|96]]'''</strike></font> 21:30, 12 April 2006 (UTC) |
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Somebody please do something about the penis picture! I think it's okay to have, but please have some type of warning. It doesn't even have to do with it being a penis but being a SEVERED body part, which would give me the same reaction if it were a severed hand, foot, eyeball, etc. [[User:Jbm867|Jbm867]] 05:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC) |
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::I tried to argue this point on another talk page, so someone posted a picture of a gutted man just to make a point. Just give it up. Wikipedia, in its attempt to avoid censorship (except as dictated by Florida law), has gone to the point of shoving this stuff down our throats. |
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::If you really want to change this, find offensive pictures of a documentary nature in more sensitive topics (alternate sexuality, child abuse (of a suggestive, not explicit, nature), etc.), and add them appropriately to articles until people reach a consensus that it has to stop. |
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::Just make sure it is in line with policy; vandalism will have the opposite effect of what is intended. [[User:Zuiram|Zuiram]] 05:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:Is Wikipedia never censored? John Bobbitt was the victim of a crime. If a woman were victimized in a similar way, there is no way such a photo would be tolerated. Or can you refer us to photos of women, say, being raped that appear on Wikipedeia?[[User:24.64.223.203|24.64.223.203]] 04:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::In order to more effectively make this point, you could add a picture (of a consenting adult) to the [[Female_circumcision]] page, and during the discussions refer to this page and others of its kind as precedent. Such a picture would have identical value to the articles. [[User:Zuiram|Zuiram]] 05:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:: I don't like seeing that penis head picture either. Lower it down on the page, and warning in big bold font. [[User:68.102.37.191|68.102.37.191]] 07:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::: Don't move it. Don't remove it. Leave it alone. We've been over this in [[autofellatio]] and in [[penis]] and in [[clitoris]] and in [[feces]]. And that's just off the top of my head. Wikipedia isn't censored, for any reason, nor should it be - whether the censorship is intended to cover violence, sex, or anything else. It's a collection of knowledge, and prudishness of any kind is just going to fuck it up. |
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:::: IMO, it's not prudishness to not want to see e.g. a photo of child abuse on that page if the server moved to a jurisdiction which allowed it, or to not want to see the effects of acid on humans under the health and safety section on [[Nitric_acid]]. |
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:::: Everyone gets offended by something, and some things offend more than others. |
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:::: The [[autofellatio]] article you mentioned, has only an illustration on its main page. To view the explicit picture, you have to click a link to it. The same could advantageously be applied elsewhere, allowing those who wish to see it to do so, while not forcing it upon those of us who do not wish to see it. |
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:::: FWIW, this particular picture does not offend me, personally. It is low resolution, and not overly explicit or gory, IMHO. However, I'd still like to see it moved to a subpage. IMO, the net utility of wikipedia is the amount of material it provides multiplied by the number of people to which said material is useful. Moving it to a subpage does not lower the amount of provided material, but it does increase the number of people who will not press the 'Back' button, rather than reading the article. |
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:::: [[User:Zuiram|Zuiram]] 05:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::: Also, the comparison of the penis pic with a picture of a woman being raped is completely ridiculous. If it was a picture of Lorena actually removing John's penis (though who knows why that picture would exist), then it would be the same thing. As is, it's a picture of a piece of evidence being shown in a courtroom - in fact, it's the most important piece of evidence in the entire case, probably. That makes it a perfectly logical inclusion in an encyclopedia. If it can be shown to a court, why can't it be shown to encyclopedia readers? [[User:Suntiger|Suntiger]] 18:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:::: Actually, in some courts, it would not be shown, to avoid undue emotional impact on the jurors, whose task it is in these courts to objectively evaluate guilt et cetera. |
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:::: Moreover, the legitimacy of forcing people to participate in jury duty itself is debatable, particularly as it potentially involves exposure to people and situations one would otherwise not expose oneself to, against one's will. [[User:Zuiram|Zuiram]] 05:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC) |
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== Ecuador supporters == |
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"Some feminist political activists and '''Ecuador''' residents were vocal supporters of Lorena during the media ordeal." |
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I'm confused. Is this Ecuador, the country? There doesn't seem to be any citations... |
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--[[User:Lachoy11|Lachoy11]] 18:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==spelling redirection needed== |
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Based on sampling at google, most of the world seems to think the woman's name is spelled Loreena, with two e's, which was my own understanding. It doesn't matter who is right, but on searches, both spellings should lead to this page. Only the correct spelling should appear in the title, of course. |
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[[User:Lamabillybob|Lamabillybob]] 23:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:While it's possible that [[The New York Times]] is wrong, it [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9C00E1DA163CF93BA35751C1A961958260 spells Lorena's name with one e]. I did create the two redirects [[Loreena Bobbitt]] and [[John and Loreena Bobbitt]]. --[[User:Asbl|Asbl]] 15:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:Since she was born in South America and has an Hispanic maiden name, it's almost got to be Lorena. Lorena is an actual Hispanic name; Loreena isn't, and goes against spelling/pronunciation standards in Spanish. A sample of other articles shows that it's Lorena anyway. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/68.207.106.58|68.207.106.58]] ([[User talk:68.207.106.58|talk]]) 03:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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==[[Bobbit worm]]== |
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The reference to John Wayne and Lorena has been removed from the [[Bobbit worm]] (sic) page as it is unverifiable (although very funny!) - suggest removing reference to worm from this page also if nobody objects. [[User:Squeezeweasel|Squeezeweasel]] 17:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC) |
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==Page Protection== |
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Perhaps this page should be protected by an administrator due to the large amounts of vandalism it seems to inspire by anonymous IP addresses? - [[User:Ocatecir|Ocatecir]] 00:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC) |
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==Location of incident== |
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The article states that they lived in Manassas Park, VA which is not true. They lived in the Maplewood Park Apartments located at the intersection of Maplewood Drive and Peakwood Court in zipcode 20111. This is outside of the City of Manassas Park's limits. The actual mailing address for that location is Manassas, VA 20111. Just about nobody outside of the corporate limits of Manassas Park uses Manassas Park, VA 20111 as their mailing address, and in fact the USPS's website shows that "Manassas" is the preferred city name for zip code 20111. |
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I am curious as to why or how the notion that Bobbit lived in Manassas Park came to be, given the above. |
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:[http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/zcl_3_results.jsp?zip5=20111 USPS - ZIP Code Lookup - Find a City By ZIP Code Results] show the following (images omitted):<br> |
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<div class="smMain" style="width:565px; float:left; margin-left:3px;">Cities in a ZIP Code may be referred to by more than one name or spelling. These results indicate the actual city name, as well as any acceptable alternatives. </div> |
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:[http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/severed_penis/index.html Criminal Castration and Severed Penis crimes, Bobbitt - The Crime library] says "Manassas" twice, with no mention of "Park". |
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:It appears that they lived in the Maplewood Park Apartments at 8178 Peakwood Ct, Manassas, VA 20111-2134. [http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/zcl_0_results.jsp?visited=1&pagenumber=0&firmname=&address2=8178%20Peakwood%20Ct&address1=&city=Manassas&state=VA&urbanization=&zip5=20111 USPS - ZIP Code Lookup - Find a ZIP + 4 Code By Address Results] show the following (images and some unnecessary formatting omitted):<br> |
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<h2>You Gave Us</h2><span class="main">8178 Peakwood Ct<br /> |
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Manassas VA 20111<br /> |
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8178 PEAKWOOD CT<br /> |
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MANASSAS VA 20111-2134 |
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:I have changed the article to reflect these revelations. — [[User:JeffGent|Jeff G.]] <span class="plainlinksneverexpand">([[User talk:JeffGent|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/User:JeffGent|contribs]])</span> 22:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC) |
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::It appears further that the change was made in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_and_Lorena_Bobbitt&diff=next&oldid=103748496 this not-fully-subtantiated edit "as per Manassas article"]. — [[User:JeffGent|Jeff G.]] <span class="plainlinksneverexpand">([[User talk:JeffGent|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/User:JeffGent|contribs]])</span> 22:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:::As someone who lives here (in Manassas) I'll clarify the addressing. The apt they live in is just barely outside the city limits of Manassas Park, in Prince William County. For reference: the 7-ll across from the field she threw his penis in (less than a half mile down the road) is inside the city limits of Manassas Park. Manassas City's city limits are about a mile north on rte 28. Manassas and Manassas Park form a sort of "C" shape around the area their apartment is located in. Take a look at this map to see an example: Look where 28 passes through Manassas Park, then through the county, then into the city of Manassas, and you'll see why there is confusion. Everyone here considers that area part of Manassas Park even though it really isnt: http://www.princewilliamcountywebsite.com/map.html [[User:JamesBenjamin|JamesBenjamin]] 02:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC) |
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That 7-11 is located at 8211 Old Centreville Road. This address is not within the city limits of Manassas Park, and in fact, if you visit the Prince William County GIS Mapper website [http://www4.pwcgov.org/countymapper here] you can enter the parcel GPIN 7796-98-7710 and verify that this property is within Prince William County and is not in Manassas Park. (The mere existence of the ownership and parcel information on the Prince William County GIS Mapper confirms this, as the GIS Mapper contains no data for parcels of land in Manassas City or Manassas Park City.) As far as "everyone here" considering that area (Maplewood Park Apts) part of Manassas Park, that is, in my experience, having lived in the Maplewood Park Apartments at one time, not true. [[User:68.48.240.189|68.48.240.189]] 03:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Article Cleanup == |
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I rewrote the entire article since it was an exact copy of the article featured on [http://reference.info.com/reference?qkw=Lorena%20Bobbitt&source_id=2222&source_key=John+and+Lorena+Bobbitt]. Also referenced and citied article per [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced Article Cleanup|Article Cleanup]]. [[User:Pinkadelica|Pinkadelica]] 05:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC) |
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They appeared on Family Guy so why not add it to the Legacy and depiction in popular culture section. CarverSindile (talk) 03:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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Lorena is the more known personality, and the active participant in the affair. I know sexist conventions say to put his name first, but we should be better than this. 2601:200:4401:4100:2752:D6:8E97:E6B8 (talk) 19:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
- True that. Besides he’s not even a man anymore if you know what I mean. 71.176.76.206 (talk) 01:27, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
- If you care about the order of the names, just list them in alphabetical order. That said...
- "I know sexist conventions say to put his name first, but we should be better than this."
- "True that. Besides he’s not even a man anymore if you know what I mean."
- If the genders were reversed, you people would scream blood and murder. You may not realize but saying things like this is even a worse form of a sexual convention, namely; "You are only a man if you have male genitals." You probably think, "Don't take it too seriously, it's just a joke..'. If so, you fail to realize you also give permission to males making jokes about females missing genitals. If you disagree and say men can't joke about that, then you say that you can make jokes about men all you like, just not women. This would also be deeply sexist. This is really a slippery slope. Don't make this about politics, keep your own bias to yourself. This is Wikipedia, not Reddit or Twitter. 89.205.129.228 (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
Reportedly around April 2001 there was an incident like this one, but it got less media attention than the John Wayne Bobbitt and Lorena Gallo Bobbitt case. The man actually died from blood loss, but the case was, curiously, prosecuted as a battery incident causing substantial bodily harm rather than a homicide case. The names were apparently also withheld for privacy reasons.
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Few basic things that are ignored in the article and in the process that ware in case of John and Lorena Bobbitt is that women cannot be raped by her husband while being married to that same husband. Also man cannot be raped by wife while being married to that same wife. There can be a case of abuse but the act of fucking is part of a marriage agreement part of marriage obligations. The person can be charged for domestic violence if is beating a wife but not for rape. And that woman should be charged with assault with deadly weapon with intention to carry out serious injury or cause death. Those things if there ware ever a new court-hearing for that case and re-examination should be specifically counted for.