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I have noticed that the following two statements conflict with each other. This should probably be rectified to avoid any confusion.

Statement #1: The operating system takes up about 700 MB of the device's total 4 or 8 GB storage.[8]

Statement #2: As well, the 8 GB iPhone has been commonly noted[1] to list only 7.3 GB of disk space available, causing a rumor that the version of Mac OS X for the iPhone was 700mb. After further investigation, a df revealed that the size of the OS partition to be 300MB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.252.191.18 (talk) 09:16, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Certainly an ordinary plastic stylus (as used on the Palm etc) won't work. A solid metal stylus would work fine - but would scratch the glass. However, a compromise has been designed, which is metal-bodied, but has a thin layer of softer material on the tip; this keeps the capacitance relatively high, but won't scratch the screen. One such example is here: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/ RichardNeill (talk) 02:04, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for posting that. Although they are out of stock I hope to get one when they become available. It looks like we may have to change the article. -- Atama^chat 20:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The question is how do we indicate that only one known stylus works with the iPhone, and at the same time avoid endorsing a niche product like this? If there were several companies making iPhone styluses (or is it styli??? :P ), then it would make editing much easier. Groink (talk) 22:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How's this: The iPhone is designed for human fingers, but at least one third party has developed a [[stylus]] for it.<ref>whatever</ref>--HereToHelp ^{(talk to me)} 23:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. – ɜɿøɾɪɹℲ _{( тɐʟк • ¢ʘи†ʀ¡βs )} 23:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that an editor attempted to correct the use of multi-touch by capitalizing it as "Multi-Touch". This is incorrect. Apple did register for multi-touch as a trademark in June 2007. However, as of today it has not been registered with Apple. The term is also not a proper noun. And, if you read the multi-touch Wikipedia article, it uses the form "multi-touch" (except when it is the first word in a sentence), as well as all the academic papers linked via the external link references at the bottom of the article. As long as the parent article for multi-touch uses this convention, we should not be deviating from it for the sole purpose of Apple devices. Also, other forms such as "multitouch" or "MultiTouch" are also not correct when used here. Groink (talk) 23:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, just because the Apple web site uses the convention "Multi-Touch", that does not mean Wikipedia must do so as well. Again, the trademark guideline does not apply here because Apple does not own the trademark to the term. Even the party who currently owns the trademark does not use the "Multi-Touch" form. Groink (talk) 23:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This link proves that Apple does not own the trademark. It is owned by DPI Labs, Inc. Groink (talk) 23:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This set of documents show the trail leading up to, as of this writing, the trademark not being registered with Apple.

A letter of protest was sent to the Commissioner of Trademarks on January 17 2008. The letter was filed on April 1 2008. In the memorandum, "The term 'multi-touch' is descriptive, if not generic, for electronic devices such as those of applicant that may employ a touch screen capable of recognizing multiple simultaneous touch points." "It has been determined, by the Commissioner for Trademarks, that a clear error has been made in allowing this mark to be published." Groink (talk) 00:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there now a 16Gb iPhone, and rumours of a 2nd generation iPhone?

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombsc (talk • contribs) 16:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there's a 16GB iPhone, it came out some time ago and that info was added to this article long ago as well. As for rumors of a 2nd gen iPhone, we don't include rumors or speculation on Wikipedia. Only accurate info that can be verified by a reliable source. -- Atama^chat 17:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

please can spme one tell me if the iphone takes vidios as well as photos and how much is the newest one cost in pounds? thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.210.222.15 (talk) 10:31, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First, this is not a forum for questions or discussion about the iPhone itself, this is to discuss issues only about this article. Secondly, if you go to the other features section of this article your question about the camera is already answered. If you want an answer about the cost, look up the iPhone in Google or visit AT&T's web site. -- Atama^chat 17:05, 10 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just a saw an iPhone commercial last night which shows the phone's user using it to access Wikipedia's article on Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Anton Mravcek (talk) 19:52, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Advertising information belongs in the Apple Inc. advertising article. Groink (talk) 01:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seriosuly? No one? no one has anything bad to say about it? I've seen lots of complaints online, but no complaining or critisims hhere. Yes, I did not spell good. So what.--135.214.40.68 (talk) 21:40, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A separate criticism section is not within Wikipedia guidelines. Instead, Wikipedia encourages all criticism to be placed within the context of the sections. Also, most of the time criticism can be considered POV. By having the criticism blended in with the other sections, information that counter the criticism can give the article the balance it needs. If you're looking for something along the line of "The iPhone cannot __________", this is not the place. Groink (talk) 09:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should have a critism section, the iPhone lacks even basic function of a phone, the bluetooth only pairs with handsfree kits so you cannot send/recieve files from friends. Also you cannot send and recieve MMS. I think instead of praising this phone as the ultimate phone it should have some critisms, but it should be done correctly. Not like "the phone is rubbish because it can't do this or this. 212.219.220.125 (talk) 13:26, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There isn´t much point in having a section that mentions all the stuff it doesnt have. All its features are covered fairly well. This article is only about the iPhone, not to compare it to other superior handsets such as the Nokia E50 and Nokia E61. The article doesn´t praise the iPhone - at least it shouldnt. If you can find a phrase that ´praises´ the iphone it should be removed Towel401 (talk) 13:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but isn't it notable that it lacks functions that even 90% of handsets have? Jay794 (talk) 16:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again (how many times must I say this) you can add that kind of information into the existing sections. Just DO NOT create a criticism section. We already discuss the iPhone lacking 3G, stereo bluetooth, copy/paste, etc. Did you actually read the article, or did you just look for the criticism section and found there there isn't any??? IMHO, creating a section just for criticism demonstrate laziness on the part of the editor, and that he doesn't have what it takes to blend the information into the article. It also shows the laziness of the reader if he's looking for the criticism section, bypassing everything else before it. Groink (talk) 01:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But that's what Wikipedia is for. Its for easy to access information. Almost every product, person, or historical event has a criticism section. There's nothing strange about the need for one with an iphone. Also, the most serious problems with the iphone are not even listed (or hidden imho) in the method you have described. There have been many serious problems with reception on iphones. Many reputable sites (Tom's hardware) have done studies on the hardware and found it lacking in that region. There is also a serious problem with reception in Britain at the moment. Go check out the Blackberry wiki. Notice a criticism section there? Personally I love my iPhone, but it has some serious deficiencies and they should be mentioned. - Hellkyte —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.7.123.51 (talk) 22:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If there are iPhone issues not listed in the article, and they can be verified with reliable sources, please feel free to add them at the appropriate locations within the article. It's interesting that you hold the BlackBerry article up as a standard because it has a Criticism section; that page needs work and even has a template requesting that the article be fixed. You say, "Almost every product, person, or historical event has a criticism section." That's not true, and the articles that do contain criticism sections are often articles that need to be changed. Please see WP:CRIT, where it states, "In general, making separate sections with the title 'Criticism' is discouraged." -- Atama^chat 00:21, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, at one time Wikipedia had a guideline (not a policy) where inclusion is not a proper argument. In other words, if X and Y articles have criticism sections, it does not mean that ALL articles can have the section. In Wikipedia's eyes, it just means that X and Y are in violation. Groink (talk) 18:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No need to go mental Groink. Just trying to contribute Jay794 (talk) 08:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article lacks a criticism section. This expensive piece of trash has more issues than religious fans, and so a criticism section in which normal people can express their view on this pocket size god surrogate shielded from fanbois is needed. Thanks. Femmina (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]