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Various authors have mentioned Albania and the Illyrians in their works, from late antiquity to the early Middle Ages, among them:

• Hecataeus of Miletus (c. 550 BC - c. 476 BC) [1];
• The inscription of Phoinike, mentioning one Ἀρβαῖος (3rd century –2nd century BC);
• The epitaph of Gornja Solnja (end of 1st century - beginning of 2nd century);
• Polybius (c. 208 - c. 125 BC) [2]; In his work The Histories, Polybius reported the first diplomatic contacts between the Romans and Illyrians.
• Claudius Ptolemy (c. 90 - 168), as reported in one of his key sources, the Greco-Phoenician cartographer Marinus of Tyre (1st century) [3]; Ptolemy is the earliest writer in whose works the name of the Albanians has been distinctly recognized. He mentions (3.13.23) a tribe called Albani (Ἀλβανοί) and a town Albanopolis (Ἀλβανόπολις), in the region lying to the East of the Ionian sea; and from the names of places with which Albanopolis is connected, it appears clearly to have been in the Southern part of the Illyrian territory, and in modern Albania.
• Annales Ragusini Anonymi [4]; an identification of Albania with Croatia Alba has been rejected [5]
• Stephanus of Byzantium (end of the 5th century - beginning of the 6th century) [6];
• Procopius of Caesarea (c. 500-565) [7];
• Catalogus Felicianus (first half of the 6th century) [8];
• Chronicle of Joan of Nikiu, in Coptic (end of the 6th century) [9];
• Constantine Porphyrogennetos (905 - 959);
• Suida (second half of the 10th century) [10];
• Anonymous Bulgarian on the Origin of Nations (beginning of the 11th century) [11];
• Generationum et Banorum apud Chroatos (end of the 11th century) [12];
• Michael Attaleiates (c. 1022-1080) [13];
• Anna Komnena (c. 1083-1153) [14];
• La Chanson de Roland (1085), mentioning Albeigne, - the coastal part of Albania etc. [15].

I noticed that Albania is one of the few countries that doesn't have an orthographic projection as the displayed image. I found the image on Wikipedia Commons here : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Albania_(orthographic_projection).svg

I was wondering if it could be put in instead of the current image, just so it matches all the other country wikis. Thanks! Wkpdsrnm2023 (talk) 00:50, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

78.70.177.120 (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Tollens (talk) 21:12, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given there has been a lot of coverage of migration from Albania to other countries in Europe in recent months in international news media [16] [17] [18], so I've made an update. Lots more could be added, so I may ask for assistance at WP:COUNTRIES if necessary. Khirurg (talk) 22:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At, first it is an outdated theory, with mostly sources that don't pass 1990. The only source that these inhabitants spoke a Proto-Greek language (which is irrelevant anyway) is Nicholas Geoffrey Lemprière Hammond. Studies: Further studies on various topics. A.M. Hakkert, 1993, p. 231. He says following:

The main reservoir of the Greek speakers was central Albania and Epirus

Really? Greek speakers? He doesn't mention any Proto- or Pre- prefixes.

Illyrians, whose main habitat was in the area now called Bosnia

That's incorrect. One of the most securely Illyrian tribes are the Ardiaei, which lived in Albania and Montenegro. Not to forget the Taulantii, etc. This shows that these sources are in fact outdated and can't be used for such a prominent article. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:17, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I could see a slim case for cutting proto as the sources just say Greek. They mean proto-Greek for this period of course when they say Greek, but that's what's written in the sources so I can see an argument to match them precisely. Straw man arguments about the location of individual tribes don't invalidate sources, especially when you're not providing any of your own and are just stating that the theory is outdatedGugrak (talk) 05:45, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If an author can't locate a tribe that may be relevant to this hypothesis, there are grounds to dismiss the source. If you could provide a newer source, it will have weight in the article. If not, this will go to the ANI because, as you may know, this article is highly-viewed. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The author isn't discussing the location of specific tribes. There are three sources already. They're not even particularly old in the grand scheme of things. You are the one that needs to produce sources discussing an alternative here, not OR and WP:JDLI Gugrak (talk) 00:53, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gugrak: The section which you reverted is based on outdated theories based on the work of N. G. L. Hammond. The consensus is explained in detail in the relevant article (Proto-Greek language) where you can consult relevant bibliography. The relevant article doesn't claim that Proto-Greek first moved in the Balkans in BA Albania and Montenegro, hence this article will not claim something which not even the main article about the subject claims. In short, Proto-Greek likely moved southwards via Bulgaria towards Macedonia, later towards a part of Epirus and Thessaly from where it ultimately moved southwards to its position in the Mycenaean era. Hammond's view was that Proto-Greek moved southwards via the western Balkans and could be identified with tumuli in Montenegro and Albania. This theory never found much support even when Hammond was very active academically. Today, we even have aDNA studies about exact tumuli sites which Hammond mentioned and they're linked to Cetina culture and other similar cultures, but have no correspondence to BA Mycenaeans.--Maleschreiber (talk) 00:57, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bronze- and Iron- Age tumuli in northern and central Albania, down to Lofkënd and Dukat, in present-day scholarship are affiliated with the culture of the Indo-European people who were called 'Illyrians' by the ancients, for instance: Papadopoulos, John K. (2019). "Greek protohistories". World Archaeology. Routledge. doi:10.1080/00438243.2019.1568294. ISSN 1470-1375. "The modern meaning of protohistory can vary from the study of a culture just prior to its earliest recorded history, to a period that occupies a liminal space between prehistory and history. More often than not, the term is applied to peoples who did not record their own history. In excavating an Illyrian Late Bronze–Early Iron Age burial tumulus (ca. 1400–800 BC) at Lofkënd, in what is today Albania (Figure 2), my colleagues and I were confronted by the problem: there were no Illyrian/Albanian historians or authors in Archaic and Classical antiquity; indeed, what we know of the Illyrians, including the names of their many tribes, comes from Greek authors (Papadopoulos et al. 2014)." – Βατο (talk) 11:12, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to Hammond's outdated Mycenean migration hypothesis that has been included into the article, Onnis, Elisabetta (2008). Modalità di scambio tra il mondo miceneo e i territori dell'Albania e dell'Epiro". Vol. 9. p. 11. {{cite book}}: |journal= ignored (help): "Tale opera fu elaborata da N. G. L. Hammond in seguito alla sua attività di ricerca sul territorio e agli scavi fino ad allora portati avanti, realizzando un lavoro ancora oggi punto di partenza per lo studio delle più antiche relazioni con il mondo egeo. Se tale analisi particolareggiata risulta, pertanto, fondamentale, la teoria migrazionista relativa all’origine dei Micenei, elaborata considerando i rinvenimenti dei tumuli albanesi, trovò, al contrario, scarso seguito in campo archeologico e venne presto smentita". ["This work was elaborated by N. G. L. Hammond following his research activity on the territory and the excavations carried out until then, realizing a work that is still a starting point for the study of the most ancient relationships with the Aegean world. While such detailed analysis is therefore fundamental, the migration theory relating to the origin of the Mycenaeans, elaborated by considering the findings of the Albanian tumuli, found, on the contrary, little following in the archaeological field and was soon disproved."]. Today no scholar considers that Mycenean civilization was established by a population that migrated from Albania to Mycenae. Much archaeological and archaeogenetic research has been carried out in the last years, the article should be updated with present-day well-established academic assertions, replacing outdated 20th century speculations. – Βατο (talk) 11:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Khirurg Here the drama starts again. Not only was Ancient Epirus located in todays' Albania, he was raised in Illyria, to be more exact: in the Taulantian kingdom. That. exactly. lies. in. Albania. AlexBachmann (talk) 19:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You need to do some reading. Ancient Epirus was mostly located in Greece. Pyrrhus of Epirus has nothing whatsoever to do with Albania. There is a gap of some 23 centuries between the time of Pyrrhus and the creation of the Albanian state. Are you going to add Alexander the Great next? He conquered some of the territory of what is now Albania. Are you going to add every single notable person that spent part of their lives in what is now Albania? Khirurg (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Serbia has also got nothing to do with the Illyrians and the Vinca culture, it is still mentioned in the history section. I think you don't like the fact that Pyrrhus grew up in an Illyrian household. AlexBachmann (talk) 21:08, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Two wrongs don't make a right. "There is some irrelevant junk in the article, so why can't I add more irrelevant junk"? What kind of logic is that? Instead of trying to figure out what I like and don't like, how about you stop the crude nationalistic POV-pushing. Khirurg (talk) 21:17, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]