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Is it necessary to discuss a patently false implication?

If an article were to state: "The 22nd Amendment to the Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution limits African Americans to two terms as President", how can I "correct" it?

Yes, it is true that Palestinian Citizens of Israel lived under martial law during the period mentioned, just as it is true that Black Presidents are limited to two terms of office. Would such statement perhaps require a bit of rewording?

Martial law in Israel during the period mentioned was imposed in certain geographical areas upon ALL Israelis regardless of ethnicity, just as the 22nd Amendment applies to ALL presidents, regardless of ethnicity. Am I the one only concerned that such statements may have the efect of grossly misleading those who read it?

The statement: "One witness to the expulsion said that it was preceded by soldiers shooting and killing five villagers inside the church, while another said seven villagers were brutally shot and killed by soldiers outside the church" is an extremely inaccurate, unnecessarily biased (how was this alleged shooting any more "brutal" than those fired back?) and very possibly untrue.

I checked the source, and the author himself provides no source.

He merely makes a claim.

How is it that what originated as an absolutely unsourced claim mysteriously transformed itself into a statement of fact? AbdulHornochsmannn (talk) 21:19, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The military government selectively operated in Arab population centers and was selectively enforced on Arabs. ^{[citation needed]}Everyone ^[who?] understood that the purpose was to control the Arab population ^{[citation needed]} and this is amply confirmed by official documents. ^{[citation needed]} It might be technically correct that Jews living in those areas were also subject to it, but in practice they could ignore it ^{[citation needed]}. This distinction was so universal ^{[citation needed]} that almost all historians ^[who?] describe it as a regime under which Arabs lived.^{[citation needed]} Zero^talk 00:53, 29 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources, please? All I'm hearing are sourceless statements either couched in weasel words or even worse, entireley sourceless statements of "fact" with absolutely no evidence to back it up. Not even a weasel word. Couldn't you have at least TRIED to make your the assertion even the slightest air of legitimacy by beginning it with "It is widely believed the military government...(even the term "Military Government" is incorect. There's an ocean of difference between the terms "Military Government" and "Martial Law".

As for the weasel words, where to begin! "Amply confirmed"? "Everyone undertood"? "Might be technically correct"? "The distinction was so universal"? "almost all historians"? Would you be so kind as to name me just a mere half dozen of these "almost all historians" you're referring to?

One final question: The article makes reference to Israelis/Jews "brutally" shooting Palestinians to death. Just how were these particular shots fired at Palestians any more "Brutal than those shots fired back at the Jews in those hositilities?

I have been to the village, and heard its history from an elder who witnessed the events of 1948. In May 14th 1948 the village was circled from 3 directions by Israeli forces. The villagers escaped to the north, acrosss the border to Lebanon (and were not deported two weeks later as the article states). There were at least 3 churches and a mosque, and they remain the only buildings still standing in Bassa today. Pelegisrael 13:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What the article fails to mention is that many of these Arab villages close to the border with Lebanon were occupied by ALA fedayeen and other Arab irregular forces from Lebanon, not to mention Lebanese army troops. To portray these villages as all being detached from the conflict until the Hagannah or IDF decided to occupy them and expel peaceful Arab villagers is simply false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.68.95.65 (talk) 15:35, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can't find any such source on that subject. Do you have one? Tiamut^talk 22:46, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about trying Wikipedia? The article in the Palestinian Fedayeen pretty much backs up pretty much everything Mr./Ms. 205 is asserting.

Hey Tiamut! I added the Tristram quotes to the article ....*before* I knew (or they were) available on the net. Now they just seem far to big; I tried to "hide" them , but I´m not really happy with the result. Shall we just remove them? Make a short summary of what they say? Then just make ref. to the google-page with the inf., like "Trisdam (1865), p.68, p. p.69" What do you think? Huldra (talk) 22:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey you. I'll try to cut them down or paraphrase as we move along here. Question: Is Trisdam another spelling of Tristram? I assumed it was and changed all Trisdam's to Tristram's but if I'm wrong let me know and I'll undo it. Nice to see you again my dear. Sorry for not emailing. I'm quite tied up with this film stuff I'm working on for the next couple of months so the book project I told you about is on hold until then. If you do want to talk and send me a email, let me know by dropping a note on my page because I don't check it unless someone asks me to. Kisses. Tiamut^talk 22:48, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ooopsh, yeah; "Trisdam" is just a misspelling for Henry Baker Tristram. And don´t worry about putting the book-project on hold. Great to see you editing; cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thought so, but thanks for confirming. I'll try to do as much as I can in the next couple of months, but I'll be pretty busy. Great to see you too though as always. take care of your hands and happy editing. Tiamut^talk 23:01, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh PS. if you have any info on Salbit that you have time to add, that would be good. I created it today and if we can fill in some of the blanks using Khalidi, I'll nominate it for a DYK. If you add things even in just point form, I'll make them into prose and do the formatting of the ref and biblio and everything. No pressure though. If we miss DYK, we can always make it quality later on anyway. Much love, Tiamut^talk 23:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear; Khalidi has hardly *anything* on Salbit, I have already added what is in his meagre "history"-part. I will try to check out Morris, and archaeology refs. in the next day or two. And if you tale a look at User:Huldra/Sources, you will see some notes for articles about 1948-villages that should be written. Kafr Saba is really top of the list; a millennium of history there. All the ones I have listed there either have pictures on commons and/or are discussed by Benvenisti and/or Pappe (in addition to Khalidi and Morris). We are not running out of work! Take care, my dear, Huldra (talk) 23:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry hon, I missed your edits there until just a few minutes ago. Thanks for adding what he has. I will try to make Kafr Saba my next new article project, drawing heavily upon your page info of course. We can make that into a DYK quite easily I think given what you already have and how fast I can find and add new stuff. ;) Thanks for continually reminding me of the valuable resource you have there. I'm sorry I'm such a forgetful dunce and keep missing the opportunity to mine the gold mine. Happy editing me dear. Tiamut^talk 23:25, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, come on, *you* are the one who can "iron" out my language and make it readable! Hmm, Al-Bassa is starting to look ok; we need to get rid off those "hidden" quotes, though. Oh well, I´ll start adding info for our next project, Kafr Saba, take care! Huldra (talk) 23:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll do more work on Al-Bassa tomorrow and the next day. I'll also add whatever I can on Kfar Saba to your subpage. From there, when we're happy with it, we can farm it out to a new article and nom for DYK right away. It will be ready and we won't feel any pressure that way. Your the best Huldra. It takes pebbles from all of us to build these articles and without yours I would be lost. Tiamut^talk 00:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, that plan sounds good. There are notes for about 8 new articles on User:Huldra/Sources, I had actually not planned starting any before I had got the other 1948-village-articles in a better shape, but say, once a week or so, we could indulge ourselves and start a new one ;-) Anyway, I think I have done for tonight; the next two days I might be occupied with other things, but then I should be back. Take care, see ya, my dear, Huldra (talk) 00:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect. I'll add what I can over the next two days. We'll decide when to move out after it's been plumped up a little. I'll be busy next week, but if all I have to do is nominate it and keep track of the DYK nom process (after having added everything I can to your sub-page first of course) we might be able to make Kfar Saba a reality by next week. I think I;m going to go to be too. It's 3:30am here (ooof insomnia again) ;) At least it makes me productive. Sweet dreams my dear. Tiamut^talk 00:32, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And to you, too! We are one hour before you, but anyway; good-night and sweet dreams! Huldra (talk) 00:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]