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His lineage ends with the companion Abu Ayyub al-Ansari, the host of the Prophet who came to him in Dar al-Hijrah after his migration from Mecca to Medina, which is why Kamal al-Din al-Bayadhi mentions him and says: Imam Abu Mansur Muhammad bin Muhammad bin Mahmoud al-Maturidi al-Ansari [[User:Muhsin97233|Muhsin97233]] ([[User talk:Muhsin97233|talk]]) 05:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC) |
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Imam Maturidi is ethnically,culturally,racially and genetically Persian not Turk
Dear Persian and Turk Wikiuser Brothers,First of all I am an objectif neutral person whon only have scientific and history accuracy aim
Ethnicity=mother tongue so Maturidi and Bektashi are Persians not Turks
Even Genetically Maturidi and Bektashi were caucasoid raced,with caucasoid haplotype and not mongoloid raced Turks so Maturidi and Bektashi are Persian
Azeris are linguistically Turkicized Persians and Caucasians
Actual Turks of Anatolia are linguistically Turkicized Greeks,Armenians,Luwians,Lydians,Circassians,Georgians,Laz,Arabs,Assyrians,Pomaks,Bulgarians etc etc
The genetic searches confirm this fact as only 2% of Turkey population have Turkic Haplotypes (O) and even these 2% by mixing for centuries with Anatolians can not be genetically Turk
Also Actual Turkey Culture is somehow a mix of Greek and Persian culture and it has nothing to do with Central Asia Turkic culture Humanbyrace (talk) 19:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Haha Azeris are linguistically Turkicized? Its funny — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trampa Tuncay (talk • contribs) 19:32, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Persian Vandalism Everywhere
Persians has "found" this article now and started "working" on it.
--Polysynaptic (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
- learn to live with the truth. i am working on this article, because of the two problems it has and mentioned earlier. moreover the references you have given are under my review.--Xashaiar (talk) 23:09, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
- Turk talking about vandalism is hilarious, your people swarm over articles about Persians such as Mowlavi Rumi, Ibn Sina, Al-Khawarezmi and start barking that they're turks, this man was born in Samarqand which even up to today is overwhelmingly majority Persian-speaking (go read the Wikipedia article on it, or the Russian censuses in 1920), he was born within the Samanid Empire which was also a Persian dynasty. I can accept him maybe being Arab because his family apparently came from Medina, but no source besides turkish """sources""" claim he was a turk. Keep to your own peoples history, its not our fault your people have no scientists or philosophers after a thousand years of ruling, no need to steal them from other peoples. --Qahramani44 (talk) 8 November 2018
Any source for Turkish?
Is there any reliable source that says al-Maturidi was Turkish?
According to this source(pointed to by IP),[1] his native language was Persian and he had Persian background.
Premitive (talk) 04:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Also this source[2] introduces him as a Persian Theologian.Premitive (talk) 08:56, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
Also according to [3], he was a native Persian speaker.Premitive (talk) 14:13, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- I have not found any source(s) stating Turkic origin. Any ethnicity needs to be written into the body of the article and not in the lead of the article per MOS:BIO.--Kansas Bear (talk) 16:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ Rudolph, Ulrich (2014). Al-Māturīdī and the Development of Sunnī Theology in Samarqand. Brill. p. 192. ISBN 978-90-04-26184-6.
His mother tongue was certainly Persian, which happened to be undergoing a renaissance during the fourth/tenth century in the Sāmānid kingdom. This is also recognizable from certain lexical idiosyncrasies that are most likely explained on the basis of a Persian background. "Yes" for example, is always balā for al-Māturīdī (e.g., Tawḥīd, 253.21 and 284.-3).
- ^ Chazelle, Celia; Doubleday, Simon; Lifshitz, Felice; Remensnyder, Amy G. (2012). Why the Middle Ages Matter: Medieval Light on Modern Injustice. Routledge. p. 125. ISBN 9781136636486.
Persian theologian al-Maturidi (d. 944)
- ^ Morrissey, Fitzroy (2021). A Short History of Islamic Thought. Oxford University Press. p. 68. ISBN 978-0197522011.
In al-Maturidi's time, the region was under the control of the Samanids (819– 999), an independent Persian dynasty who would play a key role in the introduction of Persian as a literary language into the world of Islam. Al-Maturidi himself was a native Persian speaker who wrote in halting Arabic and seems never to have left his native town.
he is an Arab
His lineage ends with the companion Abu Ayyub al-Ansari, the host of the Prophet who came to him in Dar al-Hijrah after his migration from Mecca to Medina, which is why Kamal al-Din al-Bayadhi mentions him and says: Imam Abu Mansur Muhammad bin Muhammad bin Mahmoud al-Maturidi al-Ansari Muhsin97233 (talk) 05:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)