Film: French C‑class

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"Other four films in the category were Ajami, El secreto de sus ojos, The Milk of Sorrow and The White Ribbon.[7]" -- Is this supposed to be "The Other four films in the category were Ajami, El secreto de sus ojos, The Milk of Sorrow and The White Ribbon.[7]"? Kdammers (talk) 11:40, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This plot summary is too long but according to wp:plot it is better to have summary that is too long than a version that is missing information. Remember wikipedia requires a plot section not an overview69.253.185.154 (talk) 20:53, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. While longer descriptions may appear to provide more data to the reader, a more concise summary may in fact be more informative as it highlights the most important elements. By focusing the reader's attention on the larger structures of a plot, without drowning it in trivial detail, a shorter summary can often help the reader to understand a work much better than an overlong one. Excessively detailed plot summaries may also infringe on copyright and fair-use concerns. from WP:PLOTSUM. Geoff B (talk) 20:55, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Response While I do feel that this plot section is WAY to detailed. Initially, I was confused regarding several plot elements in the film and was looking for a full Plot Summary of the film. I was unable to since wikipedia is practically the only source on the internet that gives complete plot summaries. Confused, I literally watched the movie 3 times and wrote this summary which took over 5 hours to help others who were confused. This does not meet WP:PLOTSUM, however WP:PLOTSUM also emphasizes that there should be a plot summary for every article. The version you reverted to was not a summary it is merely an overview.

What I am proposing is that in we should work to cut out the cruft in this summary without leaving details vital to the story. We can easily bring this version down to the 700 word requirement. However, I do feel that this version, in its current form, is still more proper than simply removing the summary entirely. Please help me write a better version, I was hoping you could reduce the text this week. If not ill do it next week, but I've already spent 5 hours on this and was hoping someone else could take the helm. Valoem ^talk 16:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A summary is an overview. See the definition. Per WP:PLOTSUM, the shorter version is better. Your confusion over the film is no reason to have an overlong summary. Geoff B (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The correct length of a summary is 400 to 700 words. 135 words is inadequate. In this case, I've got it at about 500 words by focusing on the three main characters. It's a good summary and touches on the main plot points. The film is not intricately plotted so I don't see the need to go beyond this level of detail. --Ring Cinema (talk) 22:08, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ring Cinema I do thank you for you hard work in this article, however the current version (a revised version of your sumary) is better due to incorrect information.

Firstly, Ryed was NOT kidnapped that is incorrect. Secondly per WP:Plotsum summary should contain just the key details and spoilers. The vision Malik has is the most important aspect of the movie hence the title A Prophet. Also this version contains key details of the relationship between Luciani and the Lingharris which should also be included. Lastly, it needs to be stated that Malik is illiterate in the beginning. Valoem ^talk 14:04, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The version I wrote contains all the key details (including his growing literacy). In this case, I think 500 words is about right. No need to push the limit for a relatively simple story. Of course it's always possible to add more details, but that's what I'm trying to avoid by sticking to the three main characters. Sorry to disappoint, Valoem, but your version is cluttered, bloated, and sometimes inaccurate. If the version I wrote contains an error, please correct that. Let's leave out the extraneous bits and stick to the three main characters. Thanks for your interest. I'm sure you share with me an admiration for the film and a desire that the article be a good one. --Ring Cinema (talk) 14:21, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Valoem, I don't think you have support for your extended summary. Please be kind enough to honor the sentiment expressed that your plot summary is too long and detailed. And again I thank you. --Ring Cinema (talk) 14:27, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

PLEASE DO NOT REVERT WITHOUT DISCUSSION I highly recommend rewatching the film again it seems you have a huge misunderstanding of the film, which is ironic because you stated that the plot is fairly striaght forward when in fact it is not. I watched the film 3 times. Your verions is incorrect. The boss is not Vettori this is a huge mistake on your part on top of other things in your version. The boss is Jacky Marcaggi. Please do not revert since your version has incorrect information and missed details please lets put our egos behind. I know everyone like to promote their version, but if you are to revert please contact Geoff B as he is a neutral third party. We are both experienced editors no need to engage in edit war. Valoem ^talk 14:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Q. Is it essential that the plot summary include the prophetic incident? Good topic for discussion. --Ring Cinema (talk) 14:30, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Valoem suggests that the plot summary is incomplete without "key details of the relationship between Luciani and the Lingharris." I don't agree because Malik's story can be told without it, but I'm open to a discussion of the point. --Ring Cinema (talk) 14:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]