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::"Contemporary to a year" is a year away from being "contemporary". An image which "amply illustrates that the work has been published in multiple editions, in various formats" is not "primarily decorative". There were, and currently are, no images from the paragraph beginning "Dickens advocated a humanitarian..." onwards. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
::"Contemporary to a year" is a year away from being "contemporary". An image which "amply illustrates that the work has been published in multiple editions, in various formats" is not "primarily decorative". There were, and currently are, no images from the paragraph beginning "Dickens advocated a humanitarian..." onwards. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
:::A whole year? Not really a problem, is it, particularly given it's a more fitting image with Dicken writing. I'm glad you've changed from "an area of the article which had no previous image" (which wasn't true) to "from the paragraph ... onwards", which is entirely different (although the fact it's the final section somewhat weakens the impact of your point). It's still decorative, and still doesn't really inform readers, unless they are so bereft of imagination they need an image to show them only a very small number of the printings from over the year. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 12:20, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
:::A whole year? Not really a problem, is it, particularly given it's a more fitting image with Dicken writing. I'm glad you've changed from "an area of the article which had no previous image" (which wasn't true) to "from the paragraph ... onwards", which is entirely different (although the fact it's the final section somewhat weakens the impact of your point). It's still decorative, and still doesn't really inform readers, unless they are so bereft of imagination they need an image to show them only a very small number of the printings from over the year. - [[User:SchroCat|SchroCat]] ([[User talk:SchroCat|talk]]) 12:20, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
::::File:Francis Alexander - Charles Dickens 1842.jpeg is the better image of the two.[[User:HAL333|<span style="background:gold; color:white; padding:2px;">HAL</span>]][[User talk:HAL333|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">333</span>]] 18:23, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
::::File:Francis Alexander - Charles Dickens 1842.jpeg is the better image of the two due to the fact that it displays Dickens in the act of writing. But I do think that the other proposed image, with the variety of editions, would serve nicely in this article. It demonstrates the wide popularity of the book.[[User:HAL333|<span style="background:gold; color:white; padding:2px;">HAL</span>]][[User talk:HAL333|<span style="background:black; color:white; padding:2px;">333</span>]] 18:23, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

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Featured articleA Christmas Carol is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
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2600:100F:B11F:EC:18C7:D7E3:82AE:F489, Please STOP edit warring on this article. This article is written in British English. In Britain we can manage with lists of more than two items without needing a comma for each one: the "and" acts as a substitute for the comma. I see you are editing in the US, where comma use differs. Per out WP:ENGVAR guidelines, we use British spelling and punctuation for British subjects, so we don't use the serial comma here, regardless of what you may use in your 'home' country. - SchroCat (talk) 11:50, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Images

A man with shoulder-length black hair
Dickens portrait by Margaret Gillies, 1843. Painted during the period when he was writing A Christmas Carol, it was in the Royal Academy of Arts' 1844 summer exhibition. After viewing it there, Elizabeth Barrett Browning said that it showed Dickens with "the dust and mud of humanity about him, notwithstanding those eagle eyes"
A few of the many editions of A Christmas Carol

I recently added the above two images to this article. My edits were summarily reverted, in one go, and with the edit summary "Meh. Ridiculous quote, uninformative image of books etc"

The portrait as the caption stated, shows "Dickens... during the period when he was writing A Christmas Carol", and replaced one described as being "Dickens in 1842, the year before the publication of A Christmas Carol". An image contemporary with the subject under discussion is surely better than one that predates it. The image is arguably artistically better, and at 576 Kb (replacing one of just 42knb) is inarguably of higher resolution than the one it replaced. It is after all, used on our article about Dickens himself.

The image of editions is far from uninformative; it amply illustrates that the work has been published in multiple editions, in various formats. Furthermore, it appears in an area of the article which had no previous image an where the preceding images are all monochrome or nearly so.

I am not sure what is meant by "etc" in this case.

Both images should be restored. If there is consensus that the quote in the portrait's caption (which also appears under the copy in the Dickens biography) is "ridiculous" then it can of course be removed or replaced here. But that would - of course - not be a reason to remove the image. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:52, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • The first image (with the ridiculously long and pointless quote).
The image is contemporary to a year and actually shows Dickens writing, rather than just a head and shoulders. It's a better image, given it provides him 'at work', as it were. The quote is ridiculous - even for a biography, let alone one of his novellas.
  • The pointless book picture.
See WP:IRELEV, which says that picture should not be "primarily decorative". The claim that the image "illustrates that the work has been published in multiple editions" is an extremely thin rationale. It is something that can't be explained with words (and already is. As to the claim that "it appears in an area of the article which had no previous image" is somewhat puzzling, given there is already an image in the section – one that has been there for some time. - SchroCat (talk) 22:21, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Contemporary to a year" is a year away from being "contemporary". An image which "amply illustrates that the work has been published in multiple editions, in various formats" is not "primarily decorative". There were, and currently are, no images from the paragraph beginning "Dickens advocated a humanitarian..." onwards. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:34, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A whole year? Not really a problem, is it, particularly given it's a more fitting image with Dicken writing. I'm glad you've changed from "an area of the article which had no previous image" (which wasn't true) to "from the paragraph ... onwards", which is entirely different (although the fact it's the final section somewhat weakens the impact of your point). It's still decorative, and still doesn't really inform readers, unless they are so bereft of imagination they need an image to show them only a very small number of the printings from over the year. - SchroCat (talk) 12:20, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
File:Francis Alexander - Charles Dickens 1842.jpeg is the better image of the two due to the fact that it displays Dickens in the act of writing. But I do think that the other proposed image, with the variety of editions, would serve nicely in this article. It demonstrates the wide popularity of the book.HAL333 18:23, 6 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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