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Why hasnt anyone mentioned the great Plymouth Gin? Basic ingredient in a Giblet and all? The gin is the only reason i've heard about the town (with all respect:)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andy McDandy (talk • contribs) 15:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It occurs to me that some cities have flags, but I haven't seen the Flag of Plymouth anywhere on the wiki, such as in List of British Flags. A quick look on the net found one verbal description, but no pictures. I remember the council used to fly a very large specimen from their main flagpole outside the civic centre, where they'd fly the stars and stripes on 4th July and so on. The flag is the shield from the coat of arms (possibly with simplified black towers) on a red field. Not being able to find one on the net leads me to thinking someone could make one, but yet again we'd need an RS. Stevebritgimp (talk) 16:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In fact walking today through Royal Parade there is a red flag, on a high flagpole at the rear of the Civic Centre, up on a roof. You never know, I might get a picture of it. Stevebritgimp (talk) 13:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do and upload to commons. Sam Davidson (talk) 11:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This statement seems to be in error - first, there were other European nations colonizing before the English, and second, Jamestown, Va. was founded in 1607, Plymouth, Mass. in 1620. Amwyll Rwden (talk) 05:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - have changed, although now a little verbose. Hopefully my new version hits all the buttons. Stevebritgimp (talk) 19:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This statement has been replicated in four places: in the lead of Plymouth and History of Plymouth, in the history section of Plymouth and in a section within the History of Plymouth. I've found a reliable source to prove that it was the second colony and added it to the sections; didn't add in the lead, because it's little bit untidy. Vittel Salt (talk) 22:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

{{editprotected}} Plymouth (automobile) and Plymouth Colony should be added to the hatnote, as two of the most likely targets (probably more likely than this city in Devon) 76.66.198.46 (talk) 04:19, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, could we possibly stop being so US-centric. The fact that some (but not all) people in the USA can't concieve of anything outside the USA being more important than something within the USA doesn't alter the fact that for most of the English speaking world, the City in Devon is the thing they think of first when hearing the name. Mayalld (talk) 08:45, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I read some of the requested move. I can't think of a better reason for a disambiguation page sitting at Plymouth. Two countries with clearly 2 or 3 answers with what belongs here. Both sides are right - in England the primary use is the city and in the U.S. the primary view is either the car or the city/Plymouth rock. Nationalistic views on both sides and no world view by anyone. How the U.S. city got to be included in the hatnote and the U.S. car didn't is beyond me. Royalbroil 04:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've started putting some comments about this article on Wikipedia:Peer review/Plymouth/archive3 but then found out that the user who requested a peer review is banned, so I'm not sure what is going on & whether the comments are useful or other editors would be interested in them?— Rod ^talk 10:00, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've raised the issue of the banned user at the Admin noticeboard. All opinions are welcome there. As for the peer review, someone else would have requested it before long, so it might as well continue, thanks.  —SMALLJIM  16:33, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the level of interest that thread has gained from sysops (zero excluding Jim) I'd say ignore. Let's just improve the article on Plymouth and cut out the drama. That's what Wikipedia is supposed to be about anyway. 64.18.144.131 (talk) 16:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK I've added a few more comments - let me know if you want me to take another look but I think you could go for GA soon.— Rod ^talk 17:24, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jim, what's a back-formation? 64.18.144.131 (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Back-formation. DuncanHill (talk) 19:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm I don't know what half of the words mean in that article. The issue was raised on the peer review and I'm not sure how to explain it simply for the average reader (and to myself). 64.18.144.131 (talk) 20:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Duncan! 64.18.144.131 (talk) 22:29, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

made a small edit to reflect the fact that on most evenings there is only one licensed premises left open (the Cherry Tree pub) in union street. On saturdays 90% of the drinking population can now be found in the drake circus area - voodoo lounge, roundabout, skiving scholar, cuba etc.219.83.84.42 (talk) 11:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is cited by a reliable reference (the BBC), which was published just a week ago. If you can find a reliable reference stating that 90% of the drinking population can be found in the Drake Circus area, I will be happy to add it in. Tis the season to be jolly (talk) 12:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Plymouth/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Starting GAR soon.Pyrotec (talk) 22:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Initial review

Quite a readable article, well referenced and illustrated, it so should stand a good likelihood of making GA-status. Two minor points, so far, on claims made in the article:

1. Home of the Royal Marines? - hardly, Portsmouth is the HQ. Plymouth is home to 42 Commando, if wikipedia is to be believed.

Ah, I think this was a mix up from the peer review, as it said "become home to more Royal Marines", although they haven't been around for that long. I've now fixed it. Jolly Ω Janner 18:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1. Charles Church, Plymouth destroyed - not according to the photo in the Charles Church article. It was fire bombed, hit by incendiary bombs. The tower is still standing, as are the walls.

Good point. I've now changed it. Jolly Ω Janner 18:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will start detained checks of references / citations now.Pyrotec (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Review

Sorry this is taking much longer than I anticipated. I got one of those flu bugs that are going around at the end of last week. So I've not made much headway. A small start, and much of this is fairly trival:

1. The geography bit in the first para in the Lead got me confused so I got an OS map out. Some sort of stylised map might help the article. The more detailed info in the first para of the "Geography" section helps, e.g. west of the Plym and east of the Tamar, in so far as it goes. However, according to the lead what is in the first para of the "Geography" is no longer true - "Since 1967 the unitary authority of Plymouth has included the suburbs of Plympton and Plymstock". That does not appear in Geography, but it is included in "Local government history".
2. I checked ref 4 against the quoted ISBN - there is a mismatch on publisher.
3. The "View of Plymouth Sound with Drake's Island in the centre" is interesting, but it is woefully inadequate as a description to someone who does not know that location. Obvious questions: where is the photographer standing and what is the place with the gas holders and oil (?) tanks?
4. The population information in the Infobox is uncited other than Ethnicity (which is). The uncited info appears elsewhere with citations.
5. Ref 7 - OUP??!!?? The publisher is Oxford University Press.

Pyrotec (talk) 00:05, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I've had a stab at resolving these problems, as well as finding out when the River Plym silted up! Jolly Ω Janner 14:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.Pyrotec (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1. Ref 91 is a spreadsheet listing universities in alphabetical order. What exactly is being claimed that makes Plymouth Uni the 11th largest, e.g. total All student population, number of staff, etc, etc? Such a claim is meaningless as it currently stands.

Pyrotec (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

A good article

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

   The claims for the ranking of the university need to be clarified, but that does not preclude the awarding of GA status.

Congratulations, a Good Article.

P.S. I would have expected mention of the Royal Naval Engineering College, but even as a GA-class article is still some scope for minor improvements, etc.Pyrotec (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats on the GA pass. This is a great article. --Jza84 |  Talk  22:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]