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Regarding this edit by Nick.mon, which I rollbacked already once, I have to explain a couple of things:

• it is better to edit the metacolors and not the template in order to have the same colors for each party everywhere;
• the colors have to be at least close to those the parties use in real life (e.g. The Right never uses black!);
• Marco Staderini is the secretary of the Italian Radicals and Massimo Rossi is the coordinator of the Federation of the Left; it is true however that the informal leaders of the Radicals are Marco Pannella and Emma Bonino, while Paolo Ferrero and Oliviero Diliberto are the leaders of the Left.

This said, I will revert Nick.mon's changes on the colors (by reintroducing metacolors) and I will insert Pannella-Bonino and Ferrero-Diliberto. I hope Nick.mon will stop rollbacking without reason my edits and will appreciate the compromise. Everyone is free to edit metacolors, provided that they are appropriate.

Regards, --Checco (talk) 12:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I think that use metacolors and insert Pannella-Bonino and Ferrero-Deiliberto is a good thing.

User:Nick.mon

OK, great! I will do the changes. Feel free to change metacolors through their templates (you'll find most of them at Category:Italy political party colour templates, but beaware that there are others, e.g. Template:Federation of the Greens/meta/color, which are not categorized). --Checco (talk) 06:59, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

see bloomberg source, "at least 2 months of campaigning" so if it has to happen before April and with 2 months thne you cant have an election in the next 3 weeks(Lihaas (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2012 (UTC)).[reply]

The People of Freedom party has only been around since the late 2000s, so Berlusconi couldn't have been the leader since 1994. David O. Johnson (talk) 03:40, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He is leader of the center-right coalition since 1994, if the party changed the name (Forza Italia, Polo delle Libertà, Popolo delle Libertà) it does'n change its leader; so we can consider Berlusconi leader since 1994. Stigni (talk) 10:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I do not understand why does Beppe Grillo appear at Italian Elections 2013, since he is not running at these elections as a candidate to deputy, nor to President of the goverment, nor is the leader of the 5 Star Movement. As the Movement statues say, he is not the leader but just a speaker of the movement. ^[1][2]

Cheers!

He is the founder and de facto leader of the 5 Star Movement. In public he is perceived as the movement's leader even if he does not officially hold this post. --RJFF (talk) 18:13, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the general impression can be that he is the leader of M5S, evendough in reality he is not. However, even if he was understood to be the leader, he is not running in these elections, in the same way that Umberto Bossi is the leader of the Lega Nord, but he does not appear at the 2013 elections becouse he is not running them. Usuario anonimo1234 (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hm. Can someone explain to me what the situation is? I was under the impression that both PRC and PdCI supported the RC/Quarto Polo, so who exactly will be standing as FdS? Just Socialismo 2000 and Lavoro–Solidarietà? —Nightstallion 14:20, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

… apart from the fact that, apparently, after disunity regarding the position for the centre-left primary (three parties supported Vendola/Bersani, one opposed participation), FdS was dissolved more or less … —Nightstallion 18:25, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, it's time to discuss potentially merging the polling tables to something akin to the "Israeli legislative election, 2013" page.

The original rationale for a new table was the new parties, but new parties keep forming and dissolving, and we can't have a new table each time we want to add one in. Everything would be much more simple and clear if we had one big table. --4idaho (talk) 20:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nick, you can't keep reinserting that table. It violates wikipedia's objective positioning to highlight any one poll over another, and it's also unscientific to say that one poll means any more than any other. Polling derives its strength from averages; the more polls we have on this page, the more accurate it is.

Also, for some reason you included Civil Revolution in that polling table, when Civil Revolution is a coalition and not a party... but the other parties in the table were, well, parties. If the pollsters have been polling the coalitions then please, create a new polling table (without deleting the old one) and show Civil Revolution polled along side the other coalitions, such as "Monti's Agenda for Italy", "Italy. Common Good", ect.

I love what you did with the "Coalitions" section though. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 4idaho (talk • contribs) 13:56, 31 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The table of "Political forces or alliances" includes on the right a column entitled "leader". I think this is misleading. While each single party within a coalition (or on its own) may have a leader, the coalitions are obliged by law to present a candidate for Prime Minister (who may be said to be the "leader" of the coalition). I would suggest perhaps changing "Leader" into "Candidate for Prime Minister". This would reflect the true situation (the leaders of the individual parties would still appear in the following table). The only problem is that both Beppe Grillo and Berlusconi would have to be removed as neither are candidates for premier by their coalition or list. At the moment, anyway. Nestor.mcnab (talk) 06:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The coalitions are not obliged to present a candidate for prime minister, but a "leader of the political force/alliance". Often they are mistaken as official candidates for prime minister, but this is inexact. E.g. Lega Nord accepts Berlusconi as leader of the coalition, but not as prime minister candidate. And, as far as I know, Beppe Grillo is only "leader of the political force" Five Star Movement, but not prime minister candidate. --RJFF (talk) 19:26, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're absolutely right, thanks. Berlusconi is the head of the coalition, with Alfano as the PdL's candidate for PM and Tremonti as the Lega's.Nestor.mcnab (talk) 09:55, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

For this election Bersani use the colour red for his campaign! P.S.: Orange is not a PD colour, but only the coulor used during the Foundation in 2006! --Cucchiaroni (talk) 14:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ehm... Can't the Berlusconi photo look less happy and the Bersani one less evil looking? Looks like a political message to me ( and I am not even italian...)

--Starmir (talk) 14:28, 07 Feb 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.83.232.110 (talk)

I'm not Italian either, but I see it differently. I don't think Bersani looks evil-looking. I think he has a more serious look, while Berlusconi's clownish joviality makes him look unsuited to the gravity of the economic situation that the country finds itself in. 86.129.251.254 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, as I understand the political system, candidates, both for the Chambre and the Senate, can only be voted for in specific regions of the country. Does "Leader's seat" mean that they were elected from that part last time? If so, then I am confused because for Bersani, it says "Milan-Rome-Palermo". Also, the article does not mention what the leaders are in fact campaigning for (a seat in the Chambre or the Senate)? I suspect that Monti himself cannot be on any list as he is a senator for life anyway, but I can't read Italian so it's hard for me to give reliable sources. Evilbu (talk) 09:40, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Evilbu. According to the Italian electoral law (porcellum, latin for "big pig" as called by its detractors) candidates run in regional or sub-regional constituencies (while parties run at-large for the House and in regional constituencies for the Senate). More, each candidate can run in many constituencies. Effectively the law does not allow the choise of a MP by his electors, and this is the major critic to the electoral law. --Barlafus (talk) 20:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think that until the election is over and the results are known, the infobox should only include the four major parties/political blocs that will enter the parliament for sure (Berlusconi's coalition, Centre-left, Monti's coalition and Five Star Movement). We should not include other parties that are uncertain to enter the parliament, unless we know the actual outcome of the election. The parties should be sorted by their numbers of seats in the outgoing parliament, not acording to scores in latest opinion polls, because opinion polls don't have the same value as actual elections and representation in parliament. --RJFF (talk) 17:24, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think we could insert all the parties which entered in the parliament after the election. Between Monday and Tuesday we will know it.--Nick.mon (talk) 18:03, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Something wrong about the infobox: it says "first/second party", but it means "coalition". How to fix it?--Dans (talk) 11:03, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

camera :

PIER LUIGI BERSANI coalitie 340 SILVIO BERLUSCONI coalitie 124 GIUSEPPE PIERO GRILLO 108 MARIO MONTII coalitie 45

Senato :

SILVIO BERLUSCONI coalitie 116 PIER LUIGI BERSANI coalitie 113 GIUSEPPE PIERO GRILLO 54 MARIO MONTII coalitie 18

http://elezioni.interno.it/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.58.144.30 (talk) 13:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

chamber:

Center Left 340 center right 124 M5S/Grillo 108 Monti 45 Other (Valle d'Aosta) 1 Foreign offices (tba) 12 Total: 630

Senate:

Centre Left 113 + 6 seats from Trentino / Alto Adige = 119 Center right116 + 1 seat Trentino / Alto Adige = 117 M5S/Grillo 54 Monti 18 Other (Valle d'Aosta) 1 Foreign offices (tba) 6 Total: 31581.58.144.30 (talk) 13:35, 26 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.58.144.30 (talk) 13:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's a major issue for me with the article, namely the fact that the infobox refers to party but instead gives data for the coalition. As there's quite a difference in the results between parties, it should absolutely be named "Majority coalition", etc. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 07:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it would be nice to have it changed. In order to do so, we need one to update the infobox template itself as it has been hardcoded into that file. Danish Expert (talk) 10:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The first party is movimento cinque stelle of beppe grillo. pd with s.e.l and other parties are the first coalition, not the first parties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.95.62.109 (talk) 17:45, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Along the same lines, we right now also have to decide: How do we want to display electional swing? Currently we show the total "coallition seats" and not the "party seats". One should however keep in mind, that the "coalition sests won in the last election" were granted to different "coalition compositions" compared to the the "coalitions in todays election". In example Union of the Centre in 2008 participated as a stand-alone party, but in 2013 was a part of the "Monti coalition". Strictly speaking the "Monti coallition" is thus not a completely new structure, as it builded on the previous seats both in the House and Senate held by "Union of the Centre". In the infobox we however right now list the gained seats or gained vote percentages only according to the coalition, and as the coalition is new then all votes and seats are treated as being new. The Berlusconi coalition also had changes to its composition when comparing 2008 with 2013. In my point of view the unexplained swing data cause excessive confusion towards the casual reader. One option could be not to show swing data at all. Another option could be only to display "party swings" and not the "aggregated coalition swings". A third option is, that we could also continue the current practice to show "coalition swings", but then add a small note to the figures that the swing is calculated on basis of the seats+votes for the comparative (but not identical) coalition in the last election that supported the same "coalition leader in the list". My opinion is we need to implement one of these 3 solutions, but I will leave it up for you to decide which one of them is the best. Danish Expert (talk) 10:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We shouldn't display them at all. The coalitions this time are not the same as in 2008. The centre-left alliance in 2008 included PD and IdV, which is part of Civil revolution (not part of the centre-left alliance) this time. The main components of the centre-left alliance this time are PD and SEL, which was still part of the Rainbow Left (not part of the centre-left alliance) last time. Therefore it is incorrect to just compare the numbers of seats and votes of the two, in fact different, coalitions. Same with Monti's coalition, which is just not the same as UdC in 2008. UdC is not even the main component of Monti's coalition this year. Civic Choice didn't even exist in 2008. FLI was still part of PdL and therefore of the centre-right alliance. So, it would be very inaccurate to equal the two groupings. With Italian fluctuating party system and parties crossing the aisle from one election to the next, it is just impossible to simply compare the two results. --RJFF (talk) 11:45, 27 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In Trentino-Alto Adige (South Tyrol) we had the somewhat confusing alliance named SVP - PATT - PD - UPT. In the articles alliance chapter, UPT had been incorrectly listed as a Monti supporter, which I however now has corrected. This correction was supported by the fact, that the same chapter had listed a reference that referred to this SVP-PATT-PD alliance as being a signed pledge by SVP-PATT + possibly UPT elected candidates subsequently to support PD in all policy matters (with only autonomy questions being a matter of a possible third opinion). I also found another Italian article, that described the 3 elected candidates from within this aliance to belong to respectively SVP-PATT, PD and UPT. As I only have very limited knowledge about Italian politics, the small detail that I still seek an answer for, is whether or not it is true that PATT today is an integrated part of SVP? Or if it would be more correct still to list PATT as an independent party? If you look at the "party logo" on the Ministry of Interior's election result page, they have displayed almost identical logos for SVP and SVP-PATT, with the only difference being the bottom text of the logo saying respectively SVP and SVP-PATT. But does this reflect they have completely merged? Or is it just a logo-reflection to display they have a past habbit of forming an electoral alliance? Danish Expert (talk) 12:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the Wikipedia articles for the two parties (incl. the Italian Wikipedia), it appear that the SVP and PATT indeed still are two independent parties. So I have now also listed them as such in our election article. I have likewise now also corrected the "PD total" of senators downwards with two, and then instead added a seperate senator line for the eleceted PATT senator and UPT senator. Again I am not a sepcialist into Italian politics, so feel free to correct me if I did something wrong. Danish Expert (talk) 13:44, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Phew, this starts to become increasingly complicated. I did not know this was possible, but I just found out after reading the Italian Wikipedia, that UPT in the "Chamber of Deputies election" was part of the Monti-coallition but in the "Senate election" was part of the Bersani-coallition (as part of the SVP-PD-PATT-UPT alliance). Ultimately UPT both had a senator elected (Vittorio Fravezzi) supporting Bersani, and a deputy elected (Lorenzo Dellai -the UPT party leader) supporting Monti. In our election article, I will now note that the UPT party belong to two different coalitions in respectively the Senate and Chamber of Deputies. Quiet interesting, that this is indeed possible in Italian politics! :-) Danish Expert (talk) 14:30, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should use the photo File:Bersani cropped.png what do you think about it? I don't think that the others are better. Nick.mon (talk) 17:54, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The photo File:Bersani.JPG is more big and more clear, is not discolored and is not overly broad.--EeuHP (talk) 19:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think that File:Bersani.JPG is discolored not the other one...Nick.mon (talk) 11:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What about the size, width and proportion? You are a nuisance. You delete my work. You do not plead. You use (supposedly) ips to clear my work too. But if what you want is to battle eternally, ok.--EeuHP (talk) 12:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to battle eternally..but we use it for months and I think it is better...and I also can say that you delete my works... And also others users has tried to change your image but you've immediatly reverted it...Nick.mon (talk) 11:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First, sign your comment. Second, why is better? Your picture is too wide. Your photo has a different color than the other photos. In your photo Bersani has angry face and glasses hide their face (and recently he has not been seen with glasses).--EeuHP (talk) 15:12, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me if I forgot to sing my comment...I don't think we should use your image just because you have uploaded it on wikicommons...what does it mean "different color than the other pohots"? And in your photo it seems sad and absent-minded...Nick.mon (talk) 11:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I mean the tone of the picture. Bersluconi, Grillo and Monti seem to have been photographed in open places, while Bersani has been in a closed place and no flash on the camera.--EeuHP (talk) 15:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Berlusconi isn't in an open place...it's the official photo..it is in a closed place. And also Monti's one. Nick.mon (talk) 15.29, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Then it is the flash of the camera.--EeuHP (talk) 15:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well I don't know...the result is that we are been both reported as edit-warring...patience...--Nick.mon (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Bersani cropped.png is broader and less illuminated than all the other files in the infobox. Moreover, Bersani looks even more grumpy in it than he ususally does. Therefore I would prefer File:Bersani.JPG. --RJFF (talk) 15:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok we can use it. No problema but at least we have discussed. --Nick.mon (talk) 15:48, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The party ran the Chamber of Deputies election as an independent party in coalition with Monti (and had no candidates elected), but for the Senate's election it did not participate with its own party list but had two party soldiers (Aldo Di Biagio and Benedetto Della Vedova) on the "Monti list" getting elected. This raise the question how we now should list those two senators in the table summarizing the distribution of seats? As the party is still independent, and also supported by the fact that the party's Wikipedia article claim it had 2 senators elected, I think we should also extract in the table that 2 of the 19 monti coalition senators are actually belonging to the Future and Freedom (FLI) party. Do you agree? Or should we declare the FLI party completly dead? Danish Expert (talk) 22:50, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

After looking-up the past political orientation on all 19 elected Monti senators, I managed also to find a third one being described pre-election as representing the FLI party in the Monti-coalition: Lucio Romano. I however right now wonder if this is correct, as the Italian wikipedia page for FLI still do not mention him as one of their elected birds for the Senate? This same Italian wikipedia page by the way also currently display this unsourced sentence (that I would really appreciate if some of you perhaps can confirm with a source): "On 1 March 2013 Fini decides to close the national headquarters of the party, that could lead to the dissolution of FLI." Danish Expert (talk) 09:59, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here an article in italian that said that FLI is vary nearly to be closed. [1] Stigni (talk) 10:02, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]