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I for the life of me can not find the PMID for the Jennifer Elder citation. Pubmed has the journal and the person, but does not appear to have the article abstract itself. WLU 19:01, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to move the page to Lovaas technique - the current page name is out of keeping with WP:NAME. WLU (talk) 19:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Lovaas is a form of treatment guided by applied behavior analysis..."

"Lovaas was developed by O. Ivar Lovaas based on research performed by Lovaas and his assistants."

Are these recently made changes correct? I've never seen a research article in a journal refer to the Lovaas approach as simply "Lovaas". It's usually called the "Lovaas method," "Lovaas therapy," "Lovaas approach," or "EIBI". NighthawkJ (talk) 03:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article refers to the name Lovaas but never includes his entire name, nor has any hyperlinks to the Wikipedia article on Ole Ivar Lovaas. The first reference to "Lovaas" is in all caps, which would lead the naive reader to assume it's an acronym.drone5 (talk) 19:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone with more time than I should rip out some of the lower-quality material here and rewrite it based on the following recent high-quality reviews instead:

• Howlin P, Magiati I, Charman T (2009). "Systematic review of early intensive behavioral interventions for children with autism". Am J Intellect Dev Disabil. 114 (1): 23–41. doi:10.1352/2009.114:23;nd41. PMID 19143460.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
• Reichow B, Wolery M (2009). "Comprehensive synthesis of early intensive behavioral interventions for young children with autism based on the UCLA Young Autism Project model". J Autism Dev Disord. 31 (1): 23–41. doi:10.1007/s10803-008-0596-0. PMID 18535894.
• Spreckley M, Boyd R (2008). "Efficacy of applied behavioral intervention in preschool children with autism for improving cognitive, language, and adaptive behavior: a systematic review and meta-analysis". J Pediatr. doi:10.1016/j.jpeds.2008.09.012. PMID 18950798.

Eubulides (talk) 20:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see the article mentions IQ testing of children who were treated with the Lovaas technique. I have posted a bibliography of Intelligence Citations for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human intelligence and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library at a university with an active research program in those issues (and to another library that is one of the ten largest public library systems in the United States) and have been researching these issues since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research and to suggest new sources to me by comments on that page. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 23:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article says, "As many as 25% of individuals with autism have no functional speech, the remainder typically display pronounced phonological and grammatical deficits in addition to a limited vocabulary.[6]" This seems very unlikely to be accurate from the current perspective that "autism" includes "Asperger's syndrome" and "high-functioning autism." Asbletera (talk) 00:33, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The link to EIBI in the Cost section should probably be removed because the similar existing EIBI page name is just a redirect to this article. Apologies for not knowing enough wiki jargon to say that more clearly. ;-) Claudia (talk) 15:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Should this article content be merged to Ivar Lovaas where (per WP:NOPAGE) it might make more sense. Alexbrn (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• No. I will make the BLP even more difficult to edit. Since there seems to be substantial disagreement about both detail and the basic question of effectiveness, it would be easier to deal with objectively keeping it here--and, if anything , removing some of the duplication from the bio. If he were the only one practicing it I might say differently, but he's not. (this is not my usual subject area--I came here from ANI) DGG ( talk ) 04:45, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• No because one is about the psychologist who is a well-known researcher on the teaching methodology and the other is on the methodology itself which is being used by a number of other behavior analysts. ATC ^{. Talk} 19:03, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is decades of research on DTT (mainly single-subject designs, but even some comparison studies, and three randomized control trials, though not the largest in sample size) that proves it to be effective, as outlined by the Surgeon General (1999; see pages 163-164 here: https://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/spotlight/nn/catalog/nlm:nlmuid-101584932X128-doc), National Research Council (2001), and American Academy of Pediatrics (2007), the latter of which also indicated it to be more effective than traditional speech therapy (see here: https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/120/5/1162 and https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30009626/). The Lovaas (1987) study did have some methodological limitations in that it was a quasi-experimental study (regardless, the Surgeon General called it "well-designed"), yet the results were reproduced in the American Journal on Mental Retardation in 2005 using a randomized control trial (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16212446/), which showed 48% (Lovaas (1987) reported 47%) were the best outcome kids in terms of typical language, social, adaptive, and IQ scores, as well as successful mainstreaming into first grade (the first RCT replicated study in 2000 didn't reproduce such results because it was only done for 25 hours per week (see here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10934569/) whereas the 2005 study was 35 hours and the original 1987 study was 40).

Nonetheless, one study published in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disabillities in 2013 (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22733301/) showed that while children with ASD who have lower receptive language skills (aka the ones who don't respond from naturalistic Mand (request) training) only learn speech from DTT, those with higher receptive language skills learn speech more rapidly from the less intensive, naturalistic play-based form of ABA (see natural language procedures and pivotal response treatment). More recent randomized comparison studies (the second of which was rather large in sample size) are even revealing that the vast majority on the autism spectrum have higher receptive language skills since they are learning speech faster from the naturalistic, play-based form of ABA (i.e., see: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4194254/ and https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/144/3/e20190178). So, I don't know why there are some on here arguing against DTT's effectiveness as it is still an evidence-based practice like are all other ABA-based methodologies. ATC ^{. Talk} 19:22, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:ATC: According the Cochran (which is the highest quality source), evidence of the efficacy of this method is "low", and risk of bias is "high". That's not very good for an intervention that has decades of research behind it. Since there seems to be some disagreement between sources, we need to pay extra attention to the WP:MEDRS guidelines. In particular, the American journal of mental retardation is not Medline indexed. I'm going to go ahead and trim the sources that clearly fail MEDRS, including sources that are not reviews and the non-Medline indexed journals. Then we can continue this discussion with MEDRS sources. --66.244.121.212 (talk) 00:54, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]