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Yeah sorry but this is a bit ridiculous. Quite literally 40 people here, in the middle of Skopje have claimed that they have declared a autonomous republic within Macedonia. http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/republic-of-ilirida-declared-in-macedonia

If it's that easy to claim such a thing and garner semi-decent media attention, it's a bit scary.

Some of the stuff in the infobox is hilarious:

Unrecognized constituent state of Macedonia Capital and largest city Skopje (claimed) Government Federal republic with elements of direct democracy President Nevzat Halili Prime Minister Baki Sulemani

Really, lol?

This is not an actual separatist movement pushing for autonomy. It's just a publicity stunt. Please delete. Futbol vic (talk) 10:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

For the most part I agree. I'll make some changes to it but I don't think it should be entirely deleted since this article did exist before 'proclamation' last month. --Local hero ^talk 12:49, 15 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The current version of the article by Soffredo is unacceptable.

1. Where did you find that this 'state' is using the flag of the Republic of Albania? That absolutely needs a source.
2. Please explain how this 'state' is related to the 2001 conflict, with sources of course
3. The intro does not provide as a good of a summary as in the previous version since it makes no mention of the original 'declaration' of this 'state' in 1992
4. Please note that this was not at all a serious event; since maybe a few days after the recent 'declaration', there has been quite literally no news to come out of this [1]
5. The infobox contains many unverifiable claims.

So, it needs to be reverted back. --Local hero ^talk 01:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I will simply readd the map. [Soffredo] 20:43, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I think this should be merged with another article. Firstly, it is a concept not shared by an ethnic group, or any other social group of people in the Republic of Macedonia, rather it is a concept only endorsed by one very small Albanian political fraction in the country (other Albanian parties in the country have shown no endorsement for the idea), it has very low approval (even in the Albanian community see: http://www.makdenes.org/content/article/26592341.html), and only in a regional and political aspect, low media coverage and little to no reliable sources, it hasn't affected nothing to this point in the affairs of the internal or international community, it is a failed project made twice by one man (Nevzat Halili) previously in 1992, and not to mention it isn't recognized even as a concept by any other social institution in the country or elsewhere. Although I think it still deserves to be mentioned on Wikipedia, it should be in another article closely related to the subject, for example: Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia, Party for Democratic Prosperity, Nevzat Halili, or something else, doesn't matter. - Phill24th (talk). 18:13, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I support this and I think it could be mentioned on all three of the articles you listed. --Local hero ^talk 04:57, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No need to merge. Nevzat Halili is different from this article, so each should have their own.MorenaReka (talk) 01:09, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This whole thing is essentially a publicity stunt by this man that briefly made the news twice - it is not a state in any way. I'm going to redirect the article back, but if a consensus is somehow made in favor of a separate article we can undo it. --Local hero ^talk 16:41, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, there is a lot of political literature about it. If you want to delete it, bring it to Afd, but please don't make merges. MorenaReka (talk) 20:04, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Strongly Oppose: For certain circles amongst Albanians in Macedonia, this irredentist concept is something that they strive for. It is important to outline this and give information. One who came up with the concept, and those who support it and its continuing usage which falls way outside the personality of Nevzat Halili. It is part of the wider corpus of Albanian nationalism, one in which articles exist in Wikipedia. I invoke the Wikipedia article of Aegean Macedonia which is also a article about a irredentist concept used by some of those of the Macedonian minority in Greece and also in Macedonia. This article should not be merged.Resnjari (talk) 20:35, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose merge, for Resnjari reasoning.--MorenaReka (talk) 14:26, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The merger was proposed and completed over one year ago. I continue to support the decision per WP:NOPAGE. There's a good chance we'll never see any more news out of this idea, so we'll simply be left this inadequately-sourced stub forever. With regard to what Resnjari has said, irredentism among Albanian Macedonians is a much broader topic than one guy's self-proclaimed republic. You seem to be suggesting that we use this article to cover the irredentism which would be inappropriate as this particular 'republic' is simply a pipe dream by one guy that is not representative of Albanian separatism. If we wish to cover that, it can be put into Albanians in Macedonia if not already covered there. In addition, Greater Albania seems to encompass all the irredentist Albanian ideas. --Local hero ^talk 00:02, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No matter what you think, Local hero, it is poor style to do two reverts when you can't find consensus. What you are doing is actually also sanctionable in Wikipedia. Please read WP:CONSENSUS and revert yourself before I go through too many lengths in convincing you why you are wrong: I wouldn't need to if you just read WP:CONSENSUS. --MorenaReka (talk) 03:25, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Local Hero. The same can be said about Aegean Macedonia, about it being part of the about the article on Macedonian nationalism and no longer warranting a separate article. Halili gave a voice to those irredentist circles. And the name Illirida still lingers on outside the personality of Halili (e.g. soccar matches and other provocative politicians from time to time). Also the topic has somewhat extensive coverage (in non-Albanian) scholarship. Google books (first 3 pages and somewhat scattered thereafter) [[2]] and google scholar: [[3]]. These things have not been taken into consideration when the merge was proposed and occurred. Also about "pipe dreams", true, though no ones knows. See> wp:crystal ball. Regarding consensus too, it was basically you and an other editor. Now there are other editors also involved. The topic is about a proposed state amongst a minority who is of considerable number in Macedonia.Resnjari (talk) 07:08, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not only he hasn't achieved consensus, but, as I demonstrated with my latest edits, the Republic of Ilirida is not intrinsically linked to the figure of Nevzat Halili; way too many political figures are involved with it, so a merge of the article to Halili makes no sense whatsoever. In addition I can't make those edits to the page of Halili, as he is not linked to other people making declarations about Ilirida such as Abdurahman Haliti or Muhamed Halili. The article is about the Republic of Ilirida and Nevzat Halili doesn't have ownership of the Republic.MorenaReka (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MorenaReka, you didn't even give me an opportunity to revert myself - you just went ahead on your own. I'd love to have you convince me that I'm wrong, if you don't feel like going to those 'many lengths' then don't bother participating in the discussion. This article was merged into Halili's over one year ago. That discussion is over, the situation has been stable for over one year. Per WP:CONSENSUS: "Any edit that is not disputed or reverted by another editor can be assumed to have consensus. [the merge is assumed to have consensus] Should that edit later be revised by another editor without dispute, [your revision has been disputed by me] it can be assumed that a new consensus has been reached."

You decided to re-establish the page, then you were reverted, and then you reverted in return. Per WP:BRD, that's not the best way to go about things. In order to make your change, you must get a consensus.

Resnjari, if you'd like to discuss Aegean Macedonia, that can be done at the appropriate talk page. Consensus was achieved when, after two editors (Futbol Vic & Phill24th) proposed merging, I agreed, the edit was made, and then over one year passed before a dispute was made. Now, MorenaReka is trying to re-establish the page without consensus.

• Is Albanian separatism in Macedonia a notable topic that may even warrant its own article? Yes.
• Is this "republic" a serious topic that represents the entire issue of Albanian irredentism in Macedonia? No.

All coverage in books of this seems to be a one-sentence thing about Halili's declaration. --Local hero ^talk 16:31, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the matter on Aegean Macedonia my point is that such an article exists. However i am interested in your suggestion about having a article about Albanian separatism. Though that would be to limited in its scope. Something more wideranging would need to cater for such material. Instead a article called Separatism in Macedonia would be a better fit and more broader. It would also incorporate this article Republic of Vevčani which is limited just as you say of the Ilirida one as existing in its own right. If Vevcani exists then so should Ilirida, or the two merged into a article on Separatism in Macedonia (covering Albanian, Macedonian and Serb) which has come from more than one side to varying degrees from 1991 onward. Also the Serb community too up north in the early 1990s (ideas about going it alone). Thoughts on the matter from everyone ?Resnjari (talk) 17:37, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Local hero. Separatism in Macedonia may cover many topics including the Republic of Vevcani, but I want to discuss the Republic of Ilirida. Consensus was achieved between you and other people last year: right now, consensus is no longer on your side. I added many sources to indicate that Nevzat Halili cannot bear the weight of all this article, as many more people are involved in it, period. It seems like you have not read the sources, as the article is much more than that. If you go to googlebooks and type "Ilirida", you'll find about 600 results. I already told you that if you want to send this article to deletion, you can do it at any time, but I remind you that the article exists already in Serbian and Croatian wikis, I don't understand why it can't exist in the English one. I demonstrated to you that there are many more political forces involved than Nevzat Halili. Last, there were three experienced page patrollers who marked in the last two days the page as reviewed (see this), so it would be smart of you if you dropped this topic with intellectual honesty and stop blanking wiki pages. --MorenaReka (talk) 17:56, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resnjari, I support your idea of creating an article on separatism in Macedonia and putting all such 'republics' into it as opposed to having multiple short standalone articles.

MorenaReka, there is no clear consensus here currently which is why the stable version (before you re-established the page) should stand until we figure out the best way to move forward. In Googlebooks, there are 207 results and most of them simply mention the 'republic' briefly and infrequently. The ones used in the article are either short snippets or books that only discuss the 'republic' with PDP and Halili. The page patrollers do not trump consensus. Their marking the page as reviewed is not an endorsement that they believe this is the best way to handle the topic. --Local hero ^talk 14:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have been looking at this matter and reflecting upon it to see on Wikipedia if there are some precedents from where we can draw upon and move forward, as its complicated. A similar all encompassing article on separatism in a state (pertaining to Pakistan) is:Separatist movements of Pakistan. In it is a overview of all separatist type movements and or concepts (for a state like Sindhudesh, similar to Ilirida) that exist or have existed in Pakistan, with links to separate articles. In a generalised article (if created) on Separatism in the Republic of Macedonia, it can cover all these small movements and concepts with some extra detail on main pages as in the Pakistan separatism page. This Ilirida thing keeps rearing its head every once in a while. It is the brainchild of some people, though amongst certain Albanian circles the name Ilirida has been used during soccer chants and demonstrations by some quarters of the wider Albanian community and also in violent actions that makes it more than Nevzat Halili's idea. A separate article probably would be better suited such as this with it having in the lede that it is a irredentist concept/separatist movement of some Albanians in Macedonia. The Ilirida article also now does contain peer reviewed information about events that go somewhat beyond Halili's few actions. Having it independent is probably most suited, as before it lacked information that went beyond Halili which the case for a merger then did suffice, though not now. Best.Resnjari (talk) 16:11, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Out of the separatist states listed in the Pakistan article, the only one with an article devoted entirely to that state/concept is Sindhudesh. The rest redirect to the regional article like Waziristan or discuss other topics in addition to the proposed state like Balawaristan. The Sindhudesh state seems to have more widespread support than Halili's state. --Local hero ^talk 16:20, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are two other similar articles that discusses separatism in a country and then branch out to varying degrees in separate topics about a particular separatist movement and or concept for a state. In the Indian article Separatist movements of India, there is Khalistan movement etc. While in the China article Separatist movements of China there is East Turkestan etc. So there are similar articles on such contentious topics. In the Ilirida article there is more information that give details actions that go outside Halili done in the name of Ilirida. It does have some currency among some people in the Albanian community. What would be very important is to cite in the article that it is a separatist and irredentist concept and such a sentence would need to go into the lede. It is important that this article explains ideas and events around this concept, but for it to be in no way some kind of propaganda piece like the Northern Epirus article for irredentist type wanting to use Wikipedia as a placard for other things separate to scholarship. This article even in a virtual sense should not violate the sovereignty of Macedonia. I feel very strongly about this last point.Resnjari (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go through the article sometime this week and see what it looks like after re-wording the lead and making other changes. If this article is to exist on its own, I agree that the points you mention ought to be adhered to. --Local hero ^talk 20:54, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All information about this article must be based on peer reviewed content so there is no neutrality issues and all editors going into the future need to adhere to that with this article (and others of course). As you can see on the Northern Epirus article is based on dubious sources at times, omitting a lot of Western peer reviewed material also and some of the most contentious claims it makes has no sources. From that angle, its why i say this article must reflect peer reviewed content. This Ilirida concept emerged from some in the Albanian community who thought that other means could achieve certain goals that had arisen during the problematic Yugoslav era pertaining to Albanian rights. So it should not sugercoat anything as well of where this concept came from and (violent) actions done its name. Anyway on a separate matter, i want to create village article regarding Macedonia. There is a little issue though over some villages that have the same name in Macedonia or oversees. When i changed the name of the Forino article from one that had an Albanian name, i did it as Forino, Gostivar. A admin changed it later to Forino, Macedonia. What format is followed in such instances Local for Macedonia, so there are no time wasting additional edits later?. Do i use the state or municipality to differentiate in those circumstances ? Also whereabouts is a village infobox on English Wikipedia for Macedonian settlements (if one exists)? Also when adding any additional names of a settlement in the article, i got my hands on the Macedonian census data of 2002, so there wont be issues going into the future. Best.Resnjari (talk) 10:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it goes like this: if it's the only Forino in the world, just title it Forino; if it's the only one in Macedonia, title it Forino, Macedonia; if there are multiple in Macedonia, title it Forino, Gostivar Municipality. The census file is definitely an acceptable place to find the official names of settlements in the country. --Local hero ^talk 19:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that advice and assistance. Too many versions. I was going by the formats adopted in Macedonian and Albanian wikipedia, which place the municipality name for a settlement that also has the same name. Are there Macedonian village infobox's for settlements, so i place them as i go? Best.

Sure. The best infobox is simply {{infobox settlement}}, for example in Dolno Dupeni. --Local hero ^talk 14:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Its funny, I edited the Prespa related articles a few weeks ago and forgot some had infoboxes. Lol. Its been one of these weeks. Thank you Local. heheResnjari (talk) 23:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Guys, i have noticed recently that some editors who have don't have user name are constantly placing images of ballot paper etc on this article ? Me and Local have been removing them because we have come across similar material on the net. Can those images origin be ascertained that they are not images taken from other internet sources and placed here without acknowledgment or permissions? If these images pose copyright problems, they will be removed. If the issue continues beyond that (if concerns are not addressed by users who continuously place them here) than either i or some of the other editors will take further action. This is a serious matter as Wikipedia cannot have copyright infringements.Resnjari (talk) 12:47, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

These ones definitely did not appear to be the uploader's own work and they have been correctly deleted. They typically get deleted relatively soon in commons but sometimes it can take time and, therefore, the right thing to do is to remove it from the article when we know the images have been taken from other sites and passed as original work by the uploader even if they haven't yet been deleted. Thanks for the help Resnjari. --Local hero ^talk 23:17, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problem Local. Some editors are not cautious. I am going to look for some more stuff about Ilirida and it being described as secessionist/seperatist etc. This article is not going to be another POV pushing Northern Epirus rant for some editors pushing an agenda that goes against the spirit, intention and purpose of Wikipedia. Best.Resnjari (talk) 07:38, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Of some time now, some editors who have no accounts but working through IP addresses have been placing state symbols attributed to Ilirida. A[part from them being difficult to ascertain if that was so, Ilirida was never a political reality but a political concept of a few within the Albanian political elite and some who backed this concept. It never gained widespread traction amongst the Albanian community anyway. I ask those editors who insist on these symbols, why is it that those symbols (of which their veracity is difficult to account for in the first place) should be included in a article that discusses a political concept that really never got of the ground more than that. I ask for a civil discussion here as frankly offensive comments written by an Albanian editor in Serbo-Croatian [4] aimed at another editor (who is of Macedonian heritage) are competently unacceptable and go against the spirit of Wikipedia (see policy: WP:civil ! A reminder to Albanian editors: Though i am of Albanian heritage i am fluent in Balkan Slavic languages and any derogatory language (such as the example given above) directed toward others i will report you and your IP(s) will be banned. Thank you.Resnjari (talk) 15:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No discussion is necessary here. The "symbols" have no backing in sources and, thus, cannot stay. This page probably needs to be protected indefinitely due to the persistent vandalism. --Local hero ^talk 19:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree 100%. Place it up for protection. Its just become ridiculous and time wasting constantly undoing POV. Those pushing for such things don't want to even have a discussion instead restoring from going from IP to IP address and resorting to offensive language and disruptive behavior. Place page under protection. If they want to edit this article (and importantly go by Wikipedia policy) they should create a account. Resnjari (talk) 05:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Local hero: I haven't nominated a page to be placed for protection, so i am not fully familiar with the process. However, if time permits you to do so, do it. These editors with the multiple IP's pushing this POV is becoming ridiculous. Best.Resnjari (talk) 17:23, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Local hero, Why removed why you bother Ilirida why it bothers you all the Albanian in Macedonia why you don't mind: 1. Republic of Vevčani 2. Liberland 3. Azawad This is wrong for you, you must have a principle Please do not return

ILIRIDAproud (talk) 11:10, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You really ought to learn English before editing here any further. Even more importantly, however, you need to read Wikipedia policies regarding adding unverifiable content. Simply read above for discussions related this topic. --Local hero ^talk 13:37, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have read all answer my question about Liberland Republic of Vevčani and Azawad ILIRIDAproud (talk) 13:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The bottom line is that you are adding an infobox with information and images that you've made up and passing it off as fact. You've done this in the past either with this account or previous ones or with your Sarajevo IPs. And it doesn't stay because there is no possible way to verify population numbers, area numbers, etc. So, let's spare everyone's time and drop this. --Local hero ^talk 15:29, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You did not answer the question,about Liberland, [[Republic of Vevčani], Azawad Why are you afraid Republic of Ilirida FYROM is our You do not have exclusive rights for fyrom macedonia ILIRIDAproud (talk) 16:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ILIRIDAproud: I'm sure you're trying to contribute in good faith, but this is English language Wikipedia, and your contributions to the content of this article are of no use if you don't comprehend our policies and guidelines. Furthermore, good faith cuts both ways, and your comments here are escalating to personal attacks aimed at another editor. Please don't compare articles per WP:WINARS, and comparing apples to oranges. The 'Republic of Ilirida' is, essentially, a fictional state. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:50, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]