suggested new subsection narrow domain. --Asterixf2 (talk) 16:41, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: see also Wikipedia talk:Fringe theories#Protected. - DVdm (talk) 16:49, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My 'attitude', and that of Wikipedia (arrived at through consensus) is that we don't write about bullcrap except in articles on the subject of bullcrap - and when we do we say 'this is bullcrap' in big shiny letters...

— AndyTheGrump, [3]

Quoted by Tgeorgescu (talk) 16:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

if sth is 'bullcrap' I agree it should be discussed as such if mentioned. It is not contradictory to the suggested subsection. --Asterixf2 (talk) 16:56, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The point is that your proposal is not carefully worded, and it can be interpreted in diametrically opposed ways (both as opposing and as legitimizing bullcrap). Tgeorgescu (talk) 17:03, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is designed to provide argument if sb is interpreting due weight as an absolute measure. I am afraid wp guidelines are drifting towards censorship. This is the reason for this suggestion. My goal is not to advocate 'bullcrap' but to advocate balanced approach. This suggestion is strictly about due weight and how it is relative. It does not 'disable' any other policies. --Asterixf2 (talk) 17:08, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Please also note that the goal of wp is to be total sum of encyclopedic knowledge. However, I understand encyclopedic != any knowledge. --Asterixf2 (talk) 17:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As a model see Autodynamics: autodynamics gets described, but it is never described as true/factual, quite on the contrary. Tgeorgescu (talk) 17:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a good article. But does my text really advocate misrepresenting sth? As I see it, my text does not and also it is to be interpreted as complementary to other policies. --Asterixf2 (talk) 17:22, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You text could be interpreted as pro-fringe. Wikipedia is anti-fringe, meaning it describes the fringe theories, but the accents lies upon how the mainstream sees such theories. Tgeorgescu (talk) 19:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1. Fringe != pseudoscience. 2. In my opinion your position is in contradiction with wp:npov and wp:notcensored. Wikipedia is neither pro- nor anti-fringe - it is neutral. Goal of wikipedia is to represent total sum of encyclopedic knowledge. Various views should be represented with due weight. Due weight means, among others, that "[we] must clearly communicate the degree of credibility that the view carries.". Some fringe views may be extremely unpopular and insignificant and mentioning such views could constitute giving them undue weight. However, editors must be careful not judge by themselves about the significance of a particular view if not qualified to do so. If there are independent reliable sources appropriately describing a view and its relation to mainstream, then this view should be included with wp:due weight.

Furthermore, I think your comment confuses being anti- with being representative. For example, if article says that theory X is pseudoscience, it is not because wikipedia is anti-X, but because this statement, especially when accompanied by mention of the arguments of proponents of such theory with wp:due weight, is representative of total sum of encyclopedic knowledge and in such case neutral. By writing "theory X is pseudoscience" first and later in article discussing arguments of proponents it gives wp:due weight to the mainstream perspective. --Asterixf2 (talk) 22:48, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]