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Current disputes[edit]

Talk:Armenian Genocide#Aghet_inserted_in_the_lede[edit]

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Talk:William Lane_Craig[edit]

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

List of state leaders[edit]

– Discussion in progress.

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• List of state leaders in 2006 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• List of state leaders in 2007 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• List of state leaders in 2008 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• List of state leaders in 2009 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• List of state leaders in 2010 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
• List of state leaders in 2011 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Neve-selbert (talk · contribs)
• Zoltan Bukovszky (talk · contribs)
• GoodDay (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

There is a dispute going on between I and Zoltan Bukovszky over the necessity of the inclusion of acting state leaders on articles such as List of state leaders in 2006, 2007, et al. serving concurring during the tenure of an incapacitated president. Both I and GoodDay would like to remove these state leaders from inclusion as we believe that since there had not been vacancy at the time their inclusion is merely trivial as the de jure president had always been, for example Fidel Castro or José Ramos-Horta, etc. regardless of their temporary incapacity. Zoltan wholly disagrees with this assertion and remains strongly of the view that acting state leaders serving concurrently should indeed be included fully (equally bulleted below the de jure president temporarily incapacitated). I soon came up with a compromise of a footnote, i.e. giving mention to these leaders albeit in a footnote neatly tucked away if a reader was interested. Zoltan then proceeded to dismiss this option as a compromise. We are now stuck. I, for one, believe there to be a major consistency flaw, e.g. both Ronald Reagan and Hugo Chávez were widely perceived to have been incapacitated during their incapacities in 1981 and 2012–13 respectively—yet neither had used Acting presidents unlike Castro and Ramos-Horta. The impression that this may give to readers may or may not be worthy of note—although it remains my view that this is an excessive use of WP:WEIGHT to display these acting de facto leaders on par with the actual de jure president that has become merely incapacitated (not suspended) on a temporary basis.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

A compromise option, i.e. including the acting de facto state leaders serving concurrently in a footnote, has been endorsed both by myself and GoodDay. Zoltan duly dismisses this option as a credible compromise.

How do you think we can help?

A thorough review of the compromise option could perhaps prove to be a good idea. Contrary to Zoltan's viewpoint that the footnote option is a "deletion of relevant information", the footnote does actually give a greater background and/or insight to the (constitutional, etc.) situation at hand than the current status quo that is without any such footnote.

Summary of dispute by Zoltan Bukovszky[edit]

- These articles are about state leaders, so if someone served as acting president or acting prime minister, then they should naturally be listed in the article.

- Footnotes can be used to explain the background and reasons of the incumbent's leave of absence, if necessary.

- As per our previous discussion Neve-selbert wants to include an acting president when the substantive president is undergoing an impeachment process, but not when they are incapacitated for medical reasons. This distinction is irrelevant because both causes lead to the same end result: office holder on leave of absence, and their powers temporarily exercised by the acting leader. On the other hand GoodDay only wants to include acting leaders where there is no substantive office holder - which to me appears inconsistent (sometimes the acting leader became the next substantive office holder upon the previous incumbent's death, resignation or impeachment).

- Wikipedia editors shouldn't try to overwrite history based on what should have happened. If Reagan and Chavez did not have acting presidents then none should be invented for them, but if Castro and Ramos-Horta had acting presidents during their incapacity, then those should be included.

- Deleting or hiding acting leaders in a footnote would bereave the article of people who actually led their countries, sometimes for quite a considerable time (in the case of Raúl Castro, Phoumi Vongvichit and Gerald Cash it was several years). ZBukov (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by GoodDay[edit]

We should be having this content discussion at a designated article talkpage, which would cover all List of state leaders in Year articles & thus seek a consensus. Then if that fails, have an Rfc. Other editors haven't gotten a chance to give their input on this matter. Going to DRN, is too early. GoodDay (talk) 12:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Responding to request - Incapacitated means in this case, not being able to perform one's powers & duties, while still holding the office. GoodDay (talk) 20:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

List of state leaders discussion[edit]

• Volunteer note - There has been extended discussion at User talk:Zoltan Bukovszky. Is that sufficient, since the discussion appears to be about six article pages. The other editors have been notified. Will another experienced volunteer please answer the question of whether this noticeboard can discuss an issue involving multiple articles? If not, the next step is probably a Request for Comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:49, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
• Comment by non-moderating volunteer - In some countries, including the United States, there is a formal procedure for designation of an acting head of state. In the United States, this is defined by the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution. In the case of Ronald Reagan, there was no Twenty-fifth Amendment designation when Reagan was shot, so that he continued to act in his own authority. When Ronald Reagan underwent surgery, he did issue a Twenty-fifth Amendment designation of Vice-president George W. Bush as acting President, but nothing newsworthy happened while he was unconscious except that he underwent surgery. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Ya mean of course Prez. Ronald W. Reagan passed his powers & duties temporarily on to Vice Prez. George H. W. Bush in 1985 :) PS - the 25th amendment's third clause was also invoked briefly in 2002 & 2007, where Prez. George W. Bush temporarily passed powers & duties onto Vice Prez. Dick Cheney :) GoodDay (talk) 03:52, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Moderating Volunteer's First Statement[edit]

This dispute already has obviously been extensively discussed on a talk page, and I think what is missing is what each party's definition of "incapacitated" because I think it may be at the root of the problem. Would each side please state their definition of "incapacitated"? Joel.Miles925 (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

The whole notion of an "incapacitated" leader is wholly debatable. Indeed, many would consider Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe or Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand as incapacitated leaders, despite the fact that they are both officially "capacitated", as of this writing. My point is, the definition of "incapacitated" really depends on your own POV. For example, Bush was only incapacitated for a several hours in 2002 and 2007 and whether or not the international community recognised Cheney as the legitimate acting leader of the USA for that short time period is uncertain. Furthermore, I believe that the main culprit in this dispute is the consistency involved in respect to situations like these. As GoodDay noted in the talk page discussion, there was never a vacancy in the office of e.g. President of East Timor in 2008 or President, Prime Minister, or First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba in 2006–08. Considering his reasoning alone, my principal judgment would be to do away with these acting leaders serving concurrently as it creates confusion as to who was the actual official leader of that given country during that given time period. Having considered the arguments of the opposing side, I thought a footnote would be a good compromise option (instead of listing the acting leader equally bulleted underneath the temporarily incapacitated de facto one). This proposal was also rejected by the opposing side. All in all, my definition of an incapacitated leader is rather less trivial than one may expect—many leaders are incapacitated from time to time, and many leaders do not feel the need to have an Acting president to temporarily stand-in for them (and if they do, it usually goes unnoticed by the mainstream media and the international community, e.g. Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel in 2016), so therefore the whole notion of there being two presidents of one country at one time is rare and a frankly quite bizarre concept that does not adequately fit in a consistent manner on par with other similar situations that occurred have previously. My judgment is sound: a footnote should be apt enough for these special situations and nothing more and probably nothing less.--Neve–selbert 18:24, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I do like the idea of a footnote, but the problem is that we can't get all parties involved to agree. I will confirm that all parties have been sufficiently notified (ZBukov), and if so we should probably begin considering options that everyone would agree with (assuming all editors appear). Joel.Miles925 (talk) 13:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Each country's legal system probably has a definition for "incapacity", and it's not something I or we at Wikipedia would have to make a decision about. We are in no position to overwrite a country's decision to install or not to install an acting president. If Zimbabwe has not installed an acting president, then Neve-selbert's impression about President Robert Mugabe's state of health is irrelevant because it will not "create" an acting president. And looking for a common definition of incapacity is wholly beside the point, because leaders can go on a leave of absence for a host of different reasons (e.g. criminal investigation - Moshe Katsav, clinical depression - Kjell Magne Bondevik, constitutional impeachment - Traian Basescu, medical emergency - José Ramos-Horta, etc). And regarding acting leaders all we can - and should - do is note and duly include them in the list. ZBukov (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:UNDUE, the sheer inclusion of these acting presidents, etc. serving concurrently on par with the official presidents bulleted above is really quite simply, in my humble opinion, a result of undue and excessive weight. The footnote option gives us the best of both worlds in many respects, i.e. these temporary stand-in leaders are mentioned, while tucked away neatly in a footnote.--Neve–selbert 20:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Joint Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Legal_aspects_of_Iran.E2.80.99s_threat_of_genocide_-_is_it_a_random_fringe.3F[edit]

– Discussion in progress.

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Talk:Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Dontmakemetypepasswordagain (talk · contribs)
• Yagasi (talk · contribs)
• NPguy (talk · contribs)
• Neutrality (talk · contribs)
• Vesuvius_Dogg (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

1st Talk link2nd Talk link --- Although I only recently became involved, there has been a dispute since about September 2015 at the Iran nuclear deal article. Inclusion was attempted of some material regarding significant criticisms by very prominent legal figures regarding the propriety of allowing privileges and sanctions relief without Iran having to cease threatening Israel. See this NPOV noticeboard post for a complete explanation of the sourcing and proposed text. It all seems pretty reasonable if you ask me, but Inclusion of any of this material was relentlessly opposed and reverted on the claimed basis that it was a "FRINGE" view, which is frankly preposterous given any close inspection of the WP:FRINGE policy. The behavior continued after I rewrote and restored some of the material. However, I think those insisting on exclusion were not forthcoming in seriously discussing any policy basis for removing the material. One user actually purported to assess the quality of the legal view itself based on his own knowledge, which I think is also preposterous. Another user appeared to reluctantly support some kind of inclusion but made a dubious argument that since two of the scholars were already cited for a separate criticism it would be undue to cite them again, but in any event he repeatedly reverted too. Both made the puzzling claim that the criticism of the nuclear agreement was not relevant to it. Myself and the other user supporting inclusion are in disbelief, I think, that such a bald violation of policy is being claimed as an enforceable consensus.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I posted to the NPOV noticeboard; see link above. I did not notify the others because my goal was to gain outside opinion, not continue the debate in another place. Two users responded without any reference to policy, with one attacking my motives—these responses explain my decision to seek mediated discussion rather than opening an RFC—but there was in my opinion one good substantive response, from administrator Masem.

How do you think we can help?

Mediate a discussion where all are expected to set forth clearly stated policy justifications for a desired outcome. Disfavor simple and conclusory use of "fringe" as an adjective to describe a claimed minority viewpoint, without reference to the policy language and examples. Act as referee. I think there is, as yet, no serious argument that well-sourced opinions in the relevant field by experts of this stature come within a country mile of the WP:FRINGE prohibition.

Summary of dispute by Yagasi[edit]

The proposed edits are based on opinion of prominent legal experts. To be a fringe theory, the edits must challenge a mainstream idea broadly supported by legal scholarship in reliable sources. No such scholarship sources were mentioned by proponents of the fringe claim and they have not affirmed the existence of a mainstream idea supported by scholarship. This violates WP:FRINGE.

Furthermore, the proponents of the fringe claim have presented viewpoints of some Wikipedia editors as a mainstream idea by giving these viewpoints undue weight and calling the legal experts "minority". This violates WP:Neutral point of view#Due and undue weight that plainly requires: "in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public."

Moreover, the proponents of the fringe (marginal view) claim have presented their viewpoints as editor consensus. This misrepresentation violates WP:CONSENSUS and WP:NPOV. Wikipedians must keep in mind that "NPOV is a fundamental principle of Wikipedia... It is also one of Wikipedia's three core content policies... This policy is non-negotiable, and the principles upon which it is based cannot be superseded by other policies or guidelines, nor by editor consensus." Yagasi (talk) 11:50, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by NPguy[edit]

The first and largest problem with the cited claims about the genocide convention is that they appear to be without legal merit. There are assertions about what the Genocide Convention requires and prohibits that lack support in the actual text of the Convention. The convention is focused on actions of persons and enacting criminal penalties for such actions. I could find no obligation to prevent threats of genocide, though incitement to genocide is punishable. So each of the legal claims is an extrapolation that departs significantly from the actual obligations in the convention. Since none of the sources appears to make an actual legal argument (i.e. an argument based on specific provisions of the Convention) it seems appropriate to treat them as fringe political views rather than serious legal claims.

The second difficulty is the argument that Iran has acted in a way that triggers the convention by allegedly threatening genocide against Israel. Most analyses indicate that statements by Iranian officials that Israel should not exist are rhetorical and political arguments, not actual threats. But there are serious sources who treat these as serious threats, so it seems appropriate to recognize this view.

But the argument that this supposed threat of genocide requires other states to refrain from any agreement with Iran unless Iran abandons its supposedly genocidal threats is extraordinarily broad. As far as I can tell, it is completely unsupported by any theory of domestic or international law. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which the proponents have not provided. NPguy (talk) 00:18, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Neutrality[edit]

Summary of dispute by Vesuvius_Dogg[edit]

I agree with NPGuy's explanation and reasoning. I've said that while I prefer the material be deleted, if it is to be included, it should not be written so as to misrepresent the Genocide Convention and its requirements. Even Beres concedes that "the language of the Genocide Convention does not explicitly require any such precise enforcement" regarding genocidal statements or incitement. I've read the treaty and various op eds (or should we call them "motions"?) and find them highly novel from a legal point of view. Also, it should be noted Dershowitz's offhand comment was apparently made to NewsmaxTV and quoted on that non-RS site, making it problematic to give it weight on Wkipedia given that he has not published nor made this novel legal argument elsewhere, to my knowledge. Vesuvius Dogg (talk) 11:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Joint Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Legal_aspects_of_Iran.E2.80.99s_threat_of_genocide_-_is_it_a_random_fringe.3F discussion[edit]

• Volunteer note - There has been extended discussion on the talk page. The listed editors have been notified of the filing. One editor, User:Joshua Isaac, has commented at the talk page but has not been invited to the discussion, and should be notified. Waiting for statements from other editors, since participation is voluntary although encouraged. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:56, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I did not originally notify User:Joshua_Issac because he did not at any point remove, object to, discuss, or otherwise address the material regarding complaints about Iran's threats against Israel. I have gone ahead and notified him, but if he chooses not to participate, I strongly urge that this should not be taken as a reason to close the mediation—because IMO he was never involved with this dispute in the first place.

On an unrelated note, I gather that the protocol for discussion going forward is for us not to respond to each other directly, but instead wait for the next "round" of statements once everyone has either posted a summary or declined to participate? Dontmakemetypepasswordagain (talk) 14:51, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, first all the summaries and then responses. Yagasi (talk) 16:02, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

University of_Northern_New_Jersey[edit]

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Template:Anarchism sidebar[edit]

– Discussion in progress.

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Template:Anarchism sidebar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Knight of BAAWA (talk · contribs)
• Interrexconsul (talk · contribs)
• Eduen (talk · contribs)
• N-HH (talk · contribs)
• FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk · contribs)
• Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

I am having an edit skirmish with a user who insists that the page Anarcho-capitalism belongs in the "Schools of thought" category of the Anarchism sidebar; I do not. This is a long-running dispute which needs to be resolved. I believe it violates considerations of undue weight, as stated in my comments on the Talk page. It seems clear to me that the person who is arguing for its continued inclusion is doing so for purely ideological reasons (and I won't deny having the opposite ideological stance), and s/he has repeatedly refused or failed to provide sufficiently strong arguments as well as intentionally misrepresenting my arguments.

What should be the next step for a conclusive resolution as to whether or not this topic belongs on this sidebar?

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I have sought consensus on the Talk page.

How do you think we can help?

We need a final resolution as to whether or not Anarcho-capitalism belongs in the "schools of thought" section of the Anarchism sidebar. Note that the ideological war between the yea and nay sides extends far beyond Wikipedia.

I would like to see "Capitalism" (and possibly several other scarcely-relevant topics, particularly "Nationalism") removed from the "Schools of thought" section. They are mentioned in other places and, as fringe ideologies, that seems more like where they belong.

Summary of dispute by Knight of BAAWA[edit]

This edit-war against anarchocapitalism has been ongoing for at least a decade. In that time, it has been decided on the anarchism talk page and the template talk page time and again to be inclusive in spite of the feelings of those who do not like capitalism. And this time is more of the same, which is just hatred. In fact, 24.197.253.43 called the inclusion of anarchocapitalism on the template page "vandalism". Should you think I am misquoting him, I assure you that I am not. To wit: "I do not apologize for the reversion war with User:Knight of BAAWA as I consider the inclusion of "Anarcho-capitalism" to be vandalism. S/he clearly has an ideological axe to grind and their claims of neutrality are laughable." And we have the usual from Eduen with scarce-quotes, and other sundry who are just lumping in with hate instead of trying to make the template better.

This is simply yet another bad-faith edit on the part of those who have an ideological axe to grind against anarchocapitalism. Period. Nothing more. Wikipedia is supposed to be inclusive and objective, yet time and again those with an ideological axe to grind against anarchocapitalism refuse to accept that, preferring instead to exclude due to their own biases. Now I'm not saying that I'm not biased: I am. However, I hold to the inclusive idea of Wikipedia. Otherwise, for instance, on the christianity page there'd be edit wars with the protestants vs the catholics or jws or some other sect trying to remove mention of one or the other. You can see where this leads: chaos for Wikipedia. Far better to be inclusive.

Further, it seems those who do not like anarchocapitalism do not understand what "fringe" means on Wikipedia. They think "fringe" means "minority position", when it means something much different. Quoting from "What Fringe is Not", we find "WP:FRINGE has nothing to do with politics or opinions. (For example, a small political party may be a fringe party, but it is not appropriate to cite FRINGE when discussing such parties.) Politics and opinions may be on 'the fringe' of public perception, but the matter of our FRINGE guideline deals directly with what can be proven or demonstrated using the scientific method by academics, scholars, and scientists. Political opinions about recent history, future predictions, social opinion, and popular culture cannot be fringe because the basis of the opinion is not scientific or academic." and "WP:FRINGE is most often abused in political and social articles where better policies such as WP:NPOV or WP:UNDUE are appropriate. Citing WP:FRINGE in discussions and edit summaries is often done by POV pushers in an attempt to demonize viewpoints which contradict their own."

We can see that fringe is being attempted, and was abused already by Iterrexconsul, whereupon I had to quote him the entirety of What Fringe Is Not on his talk page to get him to understand.

So let us embrace inclusivity and objectivity. I do hope the other editors will agree that this is a good thing. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Interrexconsul[edit]

The editor Knight of BAAWA has continuously fought for the inclusion of "Anarcho-Capitalism" on the template for the side bar for Anarchism, specifically under the "Schools of Thought" section. However, the vast preponderance of scholars contend that, despite the name, anarcho-capitalism is not a form of anarchism. The greatest objections most scholars have to it being considered anarchism is the fact that it not only condones, but encourages the concept of private property, which one of anarchism's central tenets is to oppose. The key issue at hand is that of all groups of people, there is only one informed group that would define anarcho-capitalism as an anarchist school of thought, that is its own adherents (which Knight of BAAWA has clearly show he/she is one, frequently calling all who disagree "haters"). Every other reputable source that has more than a passing knowledge of anarchism, both adherents and independent scholars, instead label it as being a type of libertarianism. I would contend that the relationship between Anarcho-Capitalism and Anarchism is the same as that of National Socialism and Socialism. While they both share perhaps a vague concept of the role of government (Ancaps and anarchists saying none, National Socialists and Socialists saying centralized), the only other similarity is in the name, and in fact once examined at any depth they are revealed to be in fact very very different indeed. So, I would propose that Anarcho-Capitalism not be included as a school of thought of anarchism. However, I do believe the debate as to its nature is relevant and can be included in the sidebar under “issues”. Interrexconsul (talk) 04:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Eduen[edit]

Basically most of the general sources on anarchism do not include this strange combination of words called "anarcho-capitalism" as a form of anarchism and as a matter of fact don´t even mention it. The few works that mention it tend to say that it is a part of right wing politics and radical economic liberalism and, as such, contrary to one of the main characteristics of anarchism which has always been and continues to be, anti-capitalism. Even though we have different editors who remove that thing from this template, as can be seen by anyone in the page of edits of the talk section, user Knight of BAAWA keeps bringing it back and it is a sort of personal crusade of his to do this. This happens even though everyone tells him more or less the same thing. Mainly that anarcho-capitalism is not included in general sources as part of anarchism and that it is such a minoritarian position historically and geographically that it does not deserve inclusion within "anarchists schools of thought" even thogh that does not mean that the wikipedia article "anarchocapitalism" should be deleted. I don´t think it should be deleted since it does have a significant literature but mainly one located very clearly within US economic liberal and right wing problematics and agendas. As such political agendas historically considered by anarchism as enemies to fight againts even to the point of resorting to high levels of violence as this very anti-capitalist large anarchist political action shows.--Eduen (talk) 06:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by N-HH[edit]

Per Eduen and Interrexconsul. There's a clear dispute about classifying Anarcho-capitalism (and similarly National Anarchism) as a form of anarchism in authoritative sources, and even among anarcho-capitalist writers themselves, and hence WP should not classify it that way definitively, while nonetheless acknowledging the connection. It's quite a simple problem in that respect, but the debate is being made additionally difficult by one editor repeatedly insisting it has to be simply and definitively classified that way regardless, merely on their say-so, and constantly berating anyone who questions that on an objective basis as a "hater". Even compromise proposals are simply vetoed and any changes edit-warred out. N-HH talk/edits 07:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by FreeKnowledgeCreator[edit]

I have nothing to say, except that my involvement in this issue has been minimal, and that I reserve the right to have little to nothing to do with it in future. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 09:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

To clarify, while I stand by the comments I have made on this issue in the past, I do not see myself participating any further in the dispute. I do not wish to be part of the dispute resolution process. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 01:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Malik Shabazz[edit]

I'd like to ask, "Who are these people?" With the exception of Eduen and Knight of BAAWA, each of whom is a long-term editor of this template, neither the filer nor any of the other "users involved" ever edited the template or its talk page before this week. So maybe somebody ought to ask what's really going on here. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

With all due respect, Esquivalience, I don't know how you concluded I've "shown apathy regarding this dispute." Unlike the johnny-come-latelies who showed up this week to try to tear down this template, I've been editing it and protecting it from vandals since 2013. I think if the template can include black anarchism ("a loose term sometimes (and only recently) applied in the United States to group together a number of people of African descent (mainly from a Black Panther Party background) who identify with anarchism") and infoanarchism ("coined in a TIME Magazine article called 'The Infoanarchist' in July 2000") as anarchist "schools of thought", it ought to include anarchocapitalism as well. Nothing apathetic about my edit history at the template or anything I've written about it. If this charade is going to proceed, I'd like to continue to be part of it. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for my semi-blind inference (the wording of your initial comment seemed like you did not want to participate further), but now all parties have made statements and have no objections to dispute resolution (except FreeKnowledgeCreator, who has explicitly stated that he does not want to participate), so it may commence. Esquivalience ^t 02:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Personally i do not have any problem with taking out inforanarchism also from "schools of thought". Black anarchism has more of a line of wirtten work, intelectuals engaged with it and actual practice. On the other hand "infoanarchism" seems to me is a vague concept with few theoretical development. It could very well only be included in "concepts"--Eduen (talk) 20:02, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:Anarchism sidebar discussion[edit]

•  Volunteer note: I will be opening this case for moderated discussion once and if all the parties show willingness to participate. Participation is encouraged. Calm, civil discourse, without personal attacks, is required. All parties are urged to refrain from edit warring or performing any editing of the sidebar while it is still under this dispute. Esquivalience ^t 11:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
•  Volunteer note: FreeKnowledgeCreator's participation in this dispute was minimal, so I do not believe that he should be listed as a party. Esquivalience ^t 20:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
•  Volunteer note: In addition, Malik Shabazz has only contributed to the discussion a few times, and thus should not have been listed as a party unless they wish to participate further in discussion. He/she has also shown apathy regarding this dispute.

It appears that all of the involved parties have made statements. But some roll call first: FreeKnowledgeCreator and Malik Shabazz (who appear to have only made a few comments), do you two wish to participate in dispute resolution, discuss further on the talk page, or exit the dispute altogether? Esquivalience ^t 01:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

• Y Commencing: FreeKnowledgeCreator has withdrawn from the dispute altogether, and Malik Shabazz has shown an explicit willingness to continue participation, so dispute resolution may commence. I will post an opening statement in no more than 24 hours once I have looked into this issue in more detail and its surrounding context. Esquivalience ^t 03:01, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of_Ia_Drang#ARVN_involvement (2)[edit]

– General close. See comments for reasoning.

Palace of the Shirvanshahs[edit]

– New discussion.

Have you discussed this on a talk page?

Yes, I have discussed this issue on a talk page already.

Location of dispute

• Palace of the Shirvanshahs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Users involved

• Interfase (talk · contribs)
• HistoryofIran (talk · contribs)
• LouisAragon (talk · contribs)

Dispute overview

User HistoryofIran added Perisan spelling on the article about the monument in Azerbaijan. He explained his act as the Shirvanshas were Persiaized in the 11th century and had Persian identity even at the period when the palace was formed. I explained him on a talkpage that the building of the palace was built in 15th century during the lates dynasty of the Shirvanshahs, Derbendids, and there is no any sources claiming that Derbendids were Persians because the population of the region were Turkicizated after the conquest of the region by the Seljuq Turks and this process was continued in subsequent centuries during the migration of Turkic groups during the Mongol conquests in the 13th century.

Have you tried to resolve this previously?

I asked users to show any source claiming that the founders of the palace (Derbendids) were Persians. They still didn't show such source (only sources about Persianisation of Shirvenshahs in the 11 century which cannot be related to the latest Dynasty due to ethnic processes in the region).

How do you think we can help?

I think third persons who have experience in resolving such disputes may gave fairly decission and prevent further edit wars.

Summary of dispute by HistoryofIran[edit]

Actually we did show him sources, he just don't like what he is seeing. Just read the whole discussion, then you'll understand what I am saying. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

You showed sources where there is no anything about the Persian identity of Derbendids in the 15th century, only about the Persianization of the Shirvanshahs in the 11th century (several centuries before palace construction and another dynasty). --Interfase (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

We already have shown you various sources - assuming that the identity/ethnos of the Shirvanshahs had changed with the advent of the Derbendids is pure WP:OR looking at the sources. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by LouisAragon[edit]

Palace of the Shirvanshahs discussion[edit]

All of the listed users need to be notified by the person who files a case before the case can be opened. HistoryofIran is apparently already aware of this case, but it is the responsibility of Interfase to notify everyone. KSFT^C 02:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

• Volunteer note - There has been discussion on the article talk page, but not within the past three weeks (as well as the other two editors not having been notified). The editors should resume discussion on the talk page. If discussion fails, and if proper notice of this filing is given, and all editors agree, moderated discussion can be started here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert McClenon (talk • contribs) 02:54, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

1. I put all users' names involvlving on the discussion on talk page here as a link. So, they should be notified (and see notification on "Ypur alerts" link). 2. If you look at the discussion you can see that we came to the dead end on discussion, so moderated discussion is needed. --Interfase (talk) 03:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

We didn't come to a dead end, you just keep making the same disruptive revert over and over. We have already shown you sources, while you have shown nothing but your personal opinion. Furthermore, I didn't get notificed about this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:02, 15 April 2016 (UTC)