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Bent Flyvbjerg[edit]

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GNG - non-notable researcher lacks significant coverage, in both reliable and non-reliable sources. Article seems autobiographical, with 20/25 sources being written by the subject. Couruu (talk) 12:32, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Sources do not establish notability. Also note that this person is the subject of an extensive promotional campaign of citespam and other articles (see Making Social Science Matter on his book). See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sonderbro/Archive for more info on the socks, including the creator of the biographical article. - MrOllie (talk) 12:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Although this article needs significant alteration and removal of unreliable sources in places, the subject is the Villum Kann Rasmussen Professor, a named professorship, at IT University of Copenhagen. This seems to me to meet C5 of WP:NPROF, which is sufficient to establish notability. Again, the article needs substantial editing but the subject appears to be notable. Qflib (talk) 13:30, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ciesse Piumini[edit]

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Promotion. Fails WP:NCORP. CresiaBilli (talk) 12:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:AFDNOTCLEANUP. There are at least two reliable, independent sources showing significant coverage of the subject in the article: [1][2]. This is enough to satisfy WP:NCORP without even needing an additional WP:BEFORE search. CresiaBilli can you maybe better motivate your nomination? Broc (talk) 12:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moppi Productions[edit]

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources and what's linked in the article doesn't establish notability. There isn't significant coverage of the group in Freax: The Brief History of the Demoscene, Volume 1 (2005) by Tamás Polgár [hu], only a single mention. One can find mentions elsewhere, like in this Tivi (magazine) [fi] article. According to a licentiate thesis, "Kurki (2002, p.57–62) used Moppi Productions as a case example when discussing developing visual styles", but I wasn't able to access the work. toweli (talk) 12:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Institute for Computer Science and Control[edit]

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Nothing in this article suggests it passes WP:GNG or WP:NORG. Most references seem to be to the entity itself. My BEFORE doesn't help much, although sources might exist in Hungarian. The article has a big list of external links, in Hungarian, for anyone who cares to review them (they don't have English titles or publisher information or such). Hungarian wiki article seems to have more content but even fewer references than we do :( _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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MTA SZTAKI Laboratory of Parallel and Distributed Systems[edit]

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The whole article currently relies on primary sources. Also, I am not convinced that a research laboratory of a university and/or a research institute needs a separate article, since there are no major achievements for this. All relevant information can be easily migrated to MTA SZTAKI; therefore, the article can be either completely deleted or, more suitably, merged with MTA SZTAKI. Chiserc (talk) 15:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Institute for Computer Science and Control, which also has dubious notability as written. This is just a spammy catalogue entry with no indications of WP:GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Institute for Computer Science and Control is also nominated at an AFD discussion and MTA SZTAKI is a redirect to that article, too. Is there another possible target article that isn't up for deletion? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:49, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Saipan International (badminton)[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV and WP:EVENT. The winners are already covered in base article Saipan International (badminton).zoglophie^•talk• 06:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete‎. Deleted by Deb as "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion". (non-admin closure) ArcticSeeress (talk) 14:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Premium Guard Inc[edit]

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Premium Guard Inc.

This article on an automotive filter company is written from the company's point of view, and says what the company says about itself, rather than what third parties say about the company. It does not satisfy general notability or corporate notability. The three references are all press releases.

Reference Number	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant	Reliable	Secondary
1	www.counterman.com	A press release about the name change, in a trade publication	No	Yes	Yes	No
2	www.freightwaves.com	Transmission, a twice-weekly newsletter about auto supply networks. About moving facilities to Mexico. Reads like a press release.	No	Not really	Yes	No
3	www.aftermarketnews.com	A press release to a trade publication, about an acquisition.	No	Yes	Yes	No

The first sentence after the lede is

Established in New York City, Premium Guard Inc.’s focus from the start has been on providing a turnkey solution with wide application coverage and private label programs for all segments of the North American automotive aftermarket.

That reads like marketing buzzspeak. Robert McClenon (talk) 10:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Any.do[edit]

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It does not fall under NORG guidelines. Any reliable sources? LusikSnusik (talk) 10:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Erigo[edit]

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The fashion brand does not fall under NORG guidelines. Perhaps TOOSOON. LusikSnusik (talk) 10:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noticed this AfD where more sources were added. I withdraw my nomination. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Erigo LusikSnusik (talk) 10:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kungu Al-Mahadi Adam[edit]

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Not notable journalist and failing to meet ANYBIO LusikSnusik (talk) 10:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Edgar Chibaka[edit]

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should be deleted due to the lack of significant independent coverage that meets the General Notability Guideline (GNG), relying instead on primary sources, company related news and not significant mentions. LusikSnusik (talk) 10:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject has enough WP:GNG. For example here reported by the Telegraph, subject won the Black British Business Person of the Year award in 2021. I also found this where subject is being the founder and Chief Executive Officer of Malawi's leading online publication, the Nyasa Times that he found in 2006. This could be used to sustain the article per (WP:NEXIST)--Tumbuka Arch (talk) 13:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ukraine International Airlines destinations[edit]

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, and common sense.

Common sense is failed because this is a listing of where this airline does not fly to. As is stated in the second line "all flights are terminated". Even if it weren't, UIA is a charter airline, so when it was flying it would have gone anywhere you would have paid them to fly to. In as much as this page has any encyclopaedic content at all, it is already described at the main page about the airline so this is a duplication.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations are listed even if the airline no longer flies there - and so excluded under WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because the only sources provided in this article come directly from the airline - either the company website or reports of press-releases, or aggregators like Routesonline that re-post brief company statements. None of these are significant coverage even if they were independent. There is no evidence here at all that this is a notable topic, with significant coverage in reliable, 3rd-party, independent sources that meet WP:ORGIND. Even a WP:SPLITLIST has to have stand-alone notability per WP:AVOIDSPLIT and this does not. FOARP (talk) 09:46, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Niharika Lyra Dutt[edit]

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Notability issue Thewikizoomer (talk) 08:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: I do not really see any notability issues here. The subject person has officially credited lead roles in TV series like Paatal Lok[3], Choona[4], and an upcoming series Call Me Bae[5], as well as supporting roles in projects like Music Teacher[6] and Sutliyan[7], which clearly fulfills the NACTOR#1. Besides, The Hindustan Times interview, as well as sources from Times of India, Indian Express, and Yahoo! News that are currently cited in the article have also clearly demonstrated that the subject person has fulfilled GNG. It does not even require a BEFORE, as the information presented in the article is already sufficient to show that the subject person has fulfilled two notability guidelines. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 11:38, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete, interviews do not help establish notability. Also, Times of India is not suitable for a biography. — 48 JCL 16:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NACTOR has clearly been fulfilled but not addressed. And yes, a single interview source itself does not establish notability. But if there are multiple interviews covering a breadth of different topics, this can count towards notability per WP:IV. I am not sure about Times of India, but even if it is excluded, there are still multiple interviews from The Hindustan Times, The Indian Express, or Mid-Day[8], which have fulfilled this requirement imo. Still an obvious keep to me. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment— I agree wholeheartedly with Prince of Erebor. These are absolutely reliable sources. She is a main cast member in the television show mentioned in the article.
9t5 (talk) 04:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -- She is 'way down the cast list (not in the top 6 actors listed) in either Paatal Lok or Choona, or in the streaming/web projects, so not an obviously notable career on the face of it. I am not sure whether any of the articles cited are really WP:RSs. -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources I provided show that she is credited as main cast, and they are from The Indian Express, The Hindu, and Variety. I do not believe these three sources have any concerns regarding their reliability. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:24, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — The subject is clearly a member of the main cast. If you want to argue that a recurring or guest appearance isn’t notable, that’s understandable. However, this actress is a main cast member. The article needs strengthening not deletion.

9t5 (talk) 23:00, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ssilvers, I've done a source assessment. — 48 JCL 23:37, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Strong Keep- I ~~disagree~~ strongly disagree with 48JCL. If someone is interviewed by the New York Times, that would make a person mighty notable. You cannot say “interviews don’t prove notability” when that is ~~plainly~~ outrageously untrue.

9t5 (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, @9t5, they were not interviewed by the New York Times.
[1] -- From WP:TOI: "The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It has a bias in favor of the Indian government and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage." Seeing how promotional the article is, I think it is fair to say that this does not help establish notability.
[2] -- From WP:IV#Independence: "Alice Expert talks about herself, her actions, or her ideas: non-independent source." This is basically what the Hindustan Times article discusses. It is fine for a WP:BLP (I think) but It does not establish notability.
[3] -- Another interview.
[4] -- IMDb, not reliable. Per WP:IMDb
[5] -- Another interview.
[6] -- Another interview.
[7] -- Passing mention.
[8] -- Passing mention. — 48 JCL 23:35, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment— so you’re saying if it were the NYT then interviews can count? You wrote, and I quote, “interviews do not help establish notability.” It seems that you made a wildly incorrect assertion as justification for your delete vote. Have you done the proper research into the Indian outlet to determine that it is not reliable?

9t5 (talk) 04:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

48JCL Then tag the article with {{verify}}? This is a ridiculous use of AfD. 9t5 (talk) 04:57, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still do not see any address on NACTOR. The subject person has at least three officially credited main roles. GNG does not override SNG. They are companion guidelines, and fulfilling either one is already sufficient in the first place.

I am also unclear on the purpose of your source analysis. I have already analysed them when I cast my !vote and explained why I believe the interviews can serve as evidence of notability per WP:IV. Besides, you have misidentified sources 7 and 8. They are clearly proving the subject person's involvement in certain projects, and are being used to flesh out the article, not to demonstrate SIGCOV on the subject person, just like the five sources I provided in this discussion. I believe I have made a strong case for why this is an obvious keep, and I have not seen any rebuttals directed to my arguments at all, despite the various comments. (Probably because it is inarguable that the subject person has significant roles, given their numerous credited main parts.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I think 9t5 was raising a hypothetical question, asking what if someone has been interviewed by a reputable source, instead of claiming that the subject person has been interviewed by the NYT. I do not fully agree with this, given that interviews are generally regarded as PS and do not necessarily count towards notability on their own. However, if a person has been interviewed by multiple reputable media outlets like NYT+WSJ+WaPo, this could serve as evidence of notability, and I think this makes sense. You may go ahead and argue that WP:IV is an essay or whatnot, but I doubt that would be a strong and well-reasoned position. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 05:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Prince of Erebor I simply interpret policies a lot more leniently than 48JCL, and am allowed to do so as per WP:5P5. I have been involved in debate with 48JCL before. We are a pretty equal match. Just two different points of view. I respect their dedication to the project. 9t5 (talk) 06:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
9t5 and Prince of Erebor, I completely agree that WP:IV makes sense. However, from WP:IV: but a person does not pass GNG if interviews are the only kind of sourcing they have. Also, Prince of Erebor, those sources you provided are passing mentions and do not count towards notability. — 48 JCL 11:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@48JCL: I have already mentioned three times in this discussion - the sources I provided are to prove that the subject person has officially credited main/supporting roles in the respective projects, instead of providing SIGCOV about the person. The five roles I have listed already showed that the subject person has fulfilled NACTOR#1, and a Keep is the only reasonable conclusion. The interviews are only additional evidence of notability, since I have noticed many Wikipedians often bring up "coverage" in cases where the subject person has already fulfilled SNG, and this part is to satisfy their concerns. I still do not see any rebuttals on why the subject person fails NACTOR in your multiple replies, and the fact that you now agree the interviews can count towards notability even makes this case not borderline, but a strong Keep. Are you sure you do not want to change your stance, given that your arguments seem to be quite affirmative to a keep rather than a delete? —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mayank Shekhar[edit]

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Article does not meet WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. Subject did receive an award Ramnath Goenka Award for Excellence in Journalism. Source 1 is a book review, source 2 is a blog, source 3 has a passing comment made by the subject himself, source 4 is a review by subject himself, source 5 is a bio written by subject himself, source 6 is more on bio written by subject himself, source 7 is a link to Ramnath Goenka Award and source 8 is a book written by subject himself. Many unreliable and primary sources here. Draftify would be an option to improve the page with secondary independent sources and remove primary sources like the reviews by the subject himself and the interview with the subject.RangersRus (talk) 15:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the award is judged significant enough, he could meet WP:ANYBIO. If his books have received coverage that is judged sufficiently significant (including the review you mention, or https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/name-place-animal-thing-of-bollywood-trivia-popular-culture/articleshow/52685080.cms or https://www.spectralhues.com/news/bookreview-name-place-animal-thing-mayank-shekhar/), he might also meet WP:AUTHOR. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 17:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TOI makes it under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. I still do not find his books a significant monument or been a substantial part of a significant exhibition or won wide significant critical attention by well known peers and critics in secondary independent sources. RangersRus (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TOI falling under NEWSORGINDIA is an interpretation that I respect but with which I disagree in this case (not great journalism but not simply unreliable). The fact that the author of the book is one of the film critics of the Hindustan Times also indicates the article in the TOI should be rather independent.-- -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mushy Yank: The article from TOI doesn't look like a review at all; it seems more like a promotional piece or an announcement. Additionally, the article was published by PTI. I don't think he meets WP:AUTHOR. GrabUp - Talk 16:12, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note about the Times of India: The Sources noticeboard says not to use it for political subject matters for example, which the Indian task force clarifies: "Uncontroversial content such as film reviews are usable". Consensus is that concern about retributed coverage exists, but not to the point of making it unreliable. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Note: TOI has trivia (likely promotion) from the subject's book and is not a review that I glanced over again and spectralhues.com is likely unreliable source as it says "Spectral Hues has been founded by a couple of starry-eyed romantics with their feet firmly planted on the ground (a rather unusual combination, we know!)." This is not a well established news media or website. About The Times of India, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources says The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It has a bias in favor of the Indian government and is known to accept payments from persons and entities in exchange for positive coverage. So this puts in question the promotion by using trivia taken from the book written by the subject. RangersRus (talk) 14:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - clearly notable; a prolific film critic who is also known for his in-depth interviews with major film stars. The Ramnath Goenka Award for Excellence in Journalism is no mean achievement, and he is the first film critic to have received it. I have added a reference for an interview with him for the The Asian Age. At best, the article needs expansion, certainly not deletion. Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)— Note to closing admin: Shshshsh (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

Indeed, I should have mentioned that I hapeen to have been the creator of this page many years back. I actually didn't even remember I was the one who created it, as I've created numerous pages for notable Indian film critics. As someone who has worked on Indian cinema-related articles, I can attest to the relevance of his reviews on dozens of film articles, including several FAs. Him being an author as well as the winner of a notable award only consolidates my position. Shahid • ^Talk2me 18:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
interviews are primary sources that needs to cite the truth of the statements unless attributed. RangersRus (talk) 11:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RangersRus: Didn't undersrtand what you said here, please explain. Shahid • ^Talk2me 13:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews are considered primary non-independent source. Independent sources helps to fairly portray the subject, without undue attention to the subject's own views. If you use interviews as source for any statement made by the subject then the subject's statements needs to be cited with secondary independent source as well. Wikipedia:Independent sources. RangersRus (talk) 14:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shshshsh: The award “Ramnath Goenka Excellence in Journalism Awards” is given to over 20 people every year. Do you think this is an exclusive award that can make recipients notable? GrabUp - Talk 16:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grabup: Yes; there are many notable awards which award several groups of individuals. Shahid • ^Talk2me 12:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Shshshsh: Hey, Thanks for the reply. Can you please name some! GrabUp - Talk 12:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grabup: Yes, off the top of my head - the Padma Shri. Not comparing them in notability, but just giving a direct answer to your question. Shahid • ^Talk2me 13:15, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, see my reply to nomination above.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep very much notable, as pointed out above. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 09:27, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am not convinced that he meets any notability criteria. He fails WP:ANYBIO, as the award is not exclusive, with more than 20 people receiving it. Receiving the award first or last does not make it exceptional or add to notability. Regarding WP:AUTHOR, The Times of India is not a review, merely a short promotional or announcement piece with no author, published by the Press Trust of India (PTI), therefore, it does not meet WP:AUTHOR criteria. The person does not meet the General Notability Guideline, which is already known. Also, I don't understand how interviews with celebrities establish notability. GrabUp - Talk 09:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the award is a notable national award as per WP:Anybio and having specific award categories does not invalidate that in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:57, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ramnath Goenka Award is not national award. It is award named after journalist Ramnath Goenka that began in 2006 and is awarded to over 20 journalists every year and is presented by Indian Express Group. RangersRus (talk) 22:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note to Closer. Keep votes are more focused on the subject's notability because of an award (not national award) but there is no argument on the unreliability of the sources on the page that are blogs, interviews with no secondary sources as attribution and self written reviews by the subject himself and part of WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Two keep votes consider him notable but have no argument as to why and the two other keep vote (including the creator of the page) do not have opinion on the argument about the page and the unreliable sources that fails WP:GNG. I think the page is at best Delete but Draftify is also an option if there is any scope of improvement with secondary independent reliable sources. If this page stays a keep, then likely it opens a Pandora box to use unreliable sources like blogs and interviews and self published reviews on other pages or newly generated pages. RangersRus (talk) 22:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note @RangersRus is the nominator of this AfD and appears to have voted twice (assuming good faith), both in the nomination description and in the comment above. Shahid • ^Talk2me 12:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I really don’t understand why they are not providing good arguments for their Keep votes. It looks like @Atlantic306 is just here to go along with the majority. The question raises because how can he call it a ‘national award’? Additionally, they are posting low effort delete votes and not giving any counterarguments, which raises some questions in my mind. GrabUp - Talk 02:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Grabup: Please assume good faith on other participants here. The fact that they do not agree with you doesn't mean their arguments are not "good". This is an AfD where no one is obligated to satisfy his voting peers. Shahid • ^Talk2me 12:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they are not obligated to satisfy me, but to build consensus, they should explain further why and how the subject meets some notability criteria. Being a "National award" does not establish notability, such as the Padmashri Award, which is a national award, but the majority of the recipients are not notable and don’t have articles. Giving low effort votes does not really help to build consensus in every AfDs. GrabUp - Talk 13:01, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In the UK and US a national award means it relates to the scope of a whole country not that it is given by the government. For example the Oscars and Grammy Awards are national awards that are given by private organisations, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 13:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  For UK and US, there is national award for films National Film Awards UK and National Film & TV Award USA. In India, for journalism, Press Council of India honours the journalists selected by the Jury/Council for having excelled in various fields on the occasion of National Press Day. This is national award. RangersRus (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  The award is not exclusive enough to establish notability. Every year, more than 20 people receive the award. Are they also notable for this award? I don’t think so. GrabUp - Talk 16:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Yes, they might be notable. The UK Awards are given by a private organization. National, especially in the Indian context, means the recepients may be chosen from across all states and not just locally. The Ramnath Goenka Award is given by a notable organization which has existed for almost a century. The award might not necessarily establish notability in and of itself (although I think it should), but everything else about the subject certainly does. Shekhar is also a member of the CBFC, he writes for notable publications, he hosts programs where big stars are being interviewed (see Hitlist on YT), he has authored two books which received media coverage. I can't see the harm in having a Wikipedia article on this person even with half of these achievements. I do admit I'm an inclusionist. :) I strongly believe WP can and should cover as much as possible. The spirit of WP, as I think of it, lies in its ongoing goal to become a robust center of knowledge, where minimal restrictions are put on inclusion of information. Shahid • ^Talk2me 13:12, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep seem to be notable and meeting GNG. LusikSnusik (talk) 10:25, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@LusikSnusik: Can you explain how he meets GNG? You should learn about notability before voting on AfD. GrabUp - Talk 10:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Internet Childhood[edit]

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Non-notable compilation album, with all of the sourcing being primary sources or unreliable sources such as Discogs. Fails the general notability guidelines, and the subject-specific NALBUM. λ NegativeMP1 06:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Living Tombstone: as a WP:ATD since I found no adequate sourcing for this album. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 17:21, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Darkworks[edit]

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Not finding evidence the company passes WP:NCORP; the only sources around, even in gaming magazines, are trivial mentions, corporate announcements and interviews. Almost everything about them is in the context of the Alone in the Dark reboot and I Am Alive. Was created by a WP:SPA and of unclear notability since then, suggesting some level of WP:SPAM. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It appears relevant for Video games in France: Gamekult" "De "Alone in the Dark" à "I am Alive" : la malheureuse histoire de DarkWorks", "Cinq studios français allient leur force", "Antoine Villette", thegameeffect: "Behind the Scenes: I Am Alive's Development Disaster", Libération. IgelRM (talk) 14:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare - none of the sourcing meets GNG/WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 17:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Cyprus Airways (1947–2015) destinations[edit]

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, and duplicating content that, to the extent that it is encyclopaedic, is already in the main article about the airline.

Taking the last of these first, the main article already gives a summary of the destinations it served. A complete and exhaustive listing is not needed.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations are listed - and so excluded under WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP is failed because the only sources provided in this article come directly from the airline. FlightRadar24 simply relays airline-provided information (as the page states: "The information provided on this page is a compilation of data from many different sources including flight scheduling systems, airline booking systems, airports, airlines and other third-party data providers"). There is no evidence here at all that this is a notable topic, with significant coverage in reliable, 3rd-party, independent sources that meet WP:ORGIND. Even a WP:SPLITLIST has to have stand-alone notability per WP:AVOIDSPLIT and this does not. FOARP (talk) 08:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Cyprus Airways - there's no reason for this to be a stand-alone page, but where the airline flew is indeed encyclopedic information. The WP:NOTs cited here really twist the purpose - none of the prongs under WP:NOTCATALOG apply here. WP:NCORP doesn't apply here because it's not an article about a corporation. The nomination also fails to understand what "indiscriminate" means - this is a very discriminate list. However the sourcing isn't there for a stand-alone page, so we can't keep the information at its current location. SportingFlyer T·C 09:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"this is a very discriminate list" - where was any discrimination applied at all here? In what way is this not cover by ""Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services"? WP:NCORP literally states in its very first line that "This page is to help determine whether an organization (commercial or otherwise), or any of its products and services, is a valid subject for a separate Wikipedia article dedicated solely to that organization, product, or service".

I don't understand this combative attitude when you straight up admit that this is yet another airline destination list page that shouldn't exist. FOARP (talk) 09:37, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand throwing every single WP:NOT into the AfD soup when you could just say that it's not properly sourced enough for a stand-alone article. And a list of every destination served on the last operating day of an airline is clearly discriminate - there is a finite number of entries for a related group of items. SportingFlyer T·C 09:50, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"a list of every destination served on the last operating day of an airline is clearly discriminate" - this isn't a list of every destination served on the last operating day? This includes destinations that clearly weren't being served on that day since they are "seasonal"? The list is anyway explicitly of destinations the airline might have flown to in November 2014 some months before it folded?

WP:NOT has something like 30 headings and I've mentioned two here and given the reasons for why they are mentioned, so I don't think "throwing every single WP:NOT into the AfD soup" is fair.

If you list every entry in a list regardless of relevance, or whether they were even being flown to at the time in question (were "seasonal" destinations being served in November?) then I don't see where discrimination is being applied. Encyclopaedias are supposed to summarise, not be complete listings of trivia. FOARP (talk) 09:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears to be their final scheduled timetable. That's discriminate encyclopedic information as it provides a scope of where the airline flew to before it folded, which is indeed relevant information about airlines. SportingFlyer T·C 11:44, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how taking the content of a document like this and transposing it on to Wikipedia is discriminate. This schedule was any way just a future plan - one they did not actually fulfil - and so excluded per WP:CRYSTAL. FOARP (talk) 12:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of DAT destinations[edit]

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, and common sense.

Common sense is failed because this is a cargo airline that operates charter flights and as such they will fly whereever you are willing to pay them enough to fly to.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations are listed even if the airline no longer flies there - and so excluded under WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP is failed because the only sources provided in this article come directly from the airline - either the company website or Airline Routes Maps (an agent) or AeroRoutes (a blog/industry press re-posting brief company statements). None of these are significant coverage even if they were independent. There is no evidence here at all that this is a notable topic, with significant coverage in reliable, 3rd-party, independent sources that meet WP:ORGIND. Even a WP:SPLITLIST has to have stand-alone notability per WP:AVOIDSPLIT and this does not.

A simple statement that DAT operates charter and cargo flights across Europe in the main article is sufficient to cover this, nothing from this article needs to be merged. FOARP (talk) 08:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama (of AP Sunnis)[edit]

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The previous history of the organization Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama, which was formed in 1926[9], was corrected on the page In 1989[10], a new organization was formed after resigning from this organization due to differences in ideas And the person who wrote the article made a full correction on the first page intentionally / for his own people (WP:CONFLICT),WP:PE and added the previous established year to the new page and wrote the new page in a promotional style. More content from the first page is also included in the new page ~ Spworld2 (talk) 16:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I could not see it there. If it necessary, feel free to add it there too. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Though Spworld2 says to have included this discussion in the deletion sorting lists for Kerala and India, I could not see it. Is its inclusion necessary there? If yes, you being successful in adding this in deletion sorting lists for organizations and Islam, fee free to add this discussion to the same of Kerala and India. Neutralhappy (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do not delete page on Hitler, USA, Samastha of AP Sunnis and EK Sunnis just because there are people who have COI. Content is to determined using the reliable sources. I am neutral in this. That is why I say "(of AP Sunnis)" and "(EK Sunnis)". Both the AP and EK Sunnis claim their respective Samasthas is the real one. I can show that. So accepting one group's only claim could be CONFLICT OF INTEREST, especially in Wikipedia where Ahmadiyyas are categorised alongside Muslims. Reliable sources call Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama".I am sorry to say calling for its deletion must be nothing other than COI since reliable sources do not support that claim. Neutralhappy (talk) 11:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very reliable The Hindu calls the Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Jamiyyathul Ulama". There are numerous other sources that say the same. Neutralhappy (talk) 11:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dool News calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha (AP Samastha).
Mathrubhumi.com calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha (AP Samastha)
Times of India also calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha. Moreover this terms the Samastha "Samastha Kerala Jem Iyyathul Ulama"
Scroll.in says there are two different Samasthas
OnManorama.com calls the Samastha of AP Sunnis a Samastha and mentions "Samastha Kerala Jem-iyyathul Ulama"
News 18 says there are two Samasthas.
Arab News calls Samastha of AP Sunnis a "Samastha"
The New Indian Express calls Samastha of AP Sunnis "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama".
Manoramanews.com says there are two Samasthas.
Thejas News calls Kanthapuram's Samatha is Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama.
Kerala Kaumudi calls AP Sunnis' Samastha "Samastha Kerala Je-iyyathul Ulama"

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Fantasy Viking[edit]

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Essay-like article that relies on WP:SYNTH from mostly unreliable sources. The sources that are reliable are not about Fantasy Vikings, but only used to support some part or argument within the article. Some of this info can be relevant additions in Vikings, Viking Age, Viking revival or historical fantasy, if it's not already there, but Fantasy Viking fails WP:GNG. There may be justification for some kind of broader article about the reception history of Vikings or the Viking Age in popular culture, but I don't think this article can be transformed into that. Ffranc (talk) 08:13, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – I once talked about the title of this article at Talk:Fantasy Viking#Move. I don't think "fantasy viking" is a good title. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:27, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That said, wow the sourcing in this article is a lot worse than I remember. I see why this was nominated for deletion. I took a look at earlier versions of the article to see if maybe things were better and they're not. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:32, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Catholic Business Network[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP, nothing is reliable. First reference is also about us page of this company, which cannot be considered reliable in any way. Youknow? (talk) 07:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This seems to be focusing on the Singapore organization only, when most of the Google News coverage I see is for the United States organization(s). Maybe it doesn't need to be deleted, but rearchitected to cover the PRIMARYTOPIC. Jclemens (talk) 21:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sinfest[edit]

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I initially wanted to wait until either the webcomic concluded, or the most recent source is 10+ years old, but returning talkpage concerns made me decide to start this early. My argument for deletion is WP:SUSTAINED combined with a shift in subject matter of the work covered. The most recent source, a 2016 list entry by Paste, states that it had "recently become a more specific and pointed criticism of the most toxic parts of American exceptionalism," and this is the most up-to-date information we can cite on this webcomic. Sean Kleefield in his 2020 book Webcomics did mention Sinfest as an example, but in his blog he made clear he did not do any research for this. As editors, we have recently tried to expand on Ishida's/Sinfest's recent political and controversial aspects through primary sources, but this got (probably rightfully?) undone. Reliable sources are staying away from Sinfest and we don't know how to cover it anymore: the article is largely about a Sinfest that no longer exists, or only exists buried in its own archives. Typically when sources on a long-running webcomic dry up, it just means it's no longer in the zeitgeist, but I don't think that really applies here: I would perhaps make the vain suggestion that reliable sources don't "want" to consider this work notable. I would like to hear what other editors think of this argument and issue. Note that "this webcomic is bad/harmful" is not a deletion rationale tho. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. SUSTAINED applies to brief bursts of newspaper coverage: the coverage already in this article passes sustained, with consistent coverage over a period of multiple years. Per WP:NTEMP once something is notable, it is notable for good, and even though the coverage has ceased the past coverage is well, well over sustained. The past Sinfest is the notable sinfest, we do not need to discuss the current one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:16, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Evans (mathematician and engineer)[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO. Difficult to search for such a common name but could find no reliable sourcing of this individual. LibStar (talk) 04:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: "Sciencey person did sciencey things." There is nothing wiki-notable here. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tolu Okojie[edit]

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Non notable chef that fails WP:GNG and WP:Basic. Has received minimal media coverage in reliable media. Only three notable media articles about him exist and of the three, one is interview [11] which does not count for notability leaving only two which is still below minimum requirement for WP:BLP. Ednabrenze (talk) 06:45, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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My Ordinary Life (song)[edit]

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Non-notable song that fails the general notability guideline. Source 1 and 2 are certifications (which don't automatically make a song notable), 3 and 4 are passing mentions that fail significant coverage, 5 is unreliable per WP:WHOSAMPLED, and 6 is a primary source (exclusively an interview) that only mentions the song once. All material worth keeping for this article is already included in the article for the band itself. λ NegativeMP1 06:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jasmine Sherman[edit]

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Sherman is a political candidate, and all coverage of them stems from that candidacy. If they are ultimately successful, an article can be created. Could be mentioned in Third-party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election or Green_Party_of_Alaska#Elections but I don't see any other path to biographical notability. Star Mississippi 02:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - She's a legitimate candidate, duly elected by the Green Party of Alaska. All the other past years Green Party of Alaska candidates have their own Wikipedia articles. I don't see how we can delete this candidate's article, if the Green Parity has nominated her. It could be argued to delete, but Wikipedia doesn't come across well if they disqualify the officially elected candidates. — Maile (talk) 03:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Being nominated by a minor party in a single state does not equate in any way to automatic notability. Curbon7 (talk) 03:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They don't even have ballot access and have been decertified so I'm not even sure duly elected is accurate in this case. If you think WP:NPOLITICIAN needs addressing, I'd be thrilled to have that discussion somewhere appropriate, but that doesn't make a case for Sherman but rather for further cleanup. Star Mississippi 10:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ETA on GPA OSE: Cynthia McKinney was a six term House member, Jill Stein received extensive coverage outside of her campaign and then we have Jesse Ventura and Ralph Nader. (David Cobb may need discussion, it takes more of a look than a quick scan). Jasmine Sherman has not yet attained coverage the way any of these have. I know you know this, you've been here approximately forever. But I still don't see merit here. Star Mississippi 11:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect to 2024 Green Party presidential primaries. The AK state party's previous candidates were also national candidates or otherwise notable outside this nomination. All coverage is about her participation in the primary, for which she got a whopping 72 votes, rather than substantively biographical. Reywas92^Talk 13:40, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doust (film)[edit]

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I cannot find any mention about this film, not even in the references in the article. I suspect it may be a spelling mistake and in that case a redirect to Dost (1944 film) would be called for. But that is my speculation. As it stands, without any real references, the topic fails WP:GNG Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TJ Rovinka[edit]

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This is a long-unsourced article of a football club that seems to have never played in the highest Slovak First Football League. I can't find any significant coverage of this club that meets WP:GNG. My Google searches, even with "site:.sk" next to the club's name, only come up with club's official website and match reports, the former of which is not independent. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia has been tagged for notability issues for years, which certainly may not help copy over English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The team played on the third tier continuously from 2014 to 2022, and participated in the national cup. That's usually more than enough to merit inclusion. They might not be called "TJ Rovinka" in the coverage, probably just Rovinka. Geschichte (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia, where it can be added. That article is in need of an update/clean up anyway... Giant Snowman 18:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The list page seems to fail WP:NLIST, so I suggest someone nominate it for deletion too or alternatively redirect to Football in Slovakia. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep A list of Sportnet articles show the club has been consistently covered in local press in spite of refusing a promotion recently: [12] SportingFlyer T·C 21:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of them are paywalled, though. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't matter. SportingFlyer T·C 12:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia per above. This is an awful article with almost nothing behind it. Anwegmann (talk) 01:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Article notability is based on the overall notability of the topic, not the state of the article. SportingFlyer T·C 09:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia – Per above. Svartner (talk) 08:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the Sportnet coverage that SportingFlyer points seems in-depth to me - there's many, many articles - but that's only one publications. But there's other sources out there as well, and frequent coverage of their matches. one two. Nfitz (talk) 17:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bratislavský Futbalový Zväz looks like a blogspot to me... ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. Had a good look for sources, plus information in general about this team. They most likely never played in the second tier of Slovak football either. Sport.sk seems to have nothing about them at all. Looking at the SME sources provided by SportingFlyer, I have summarized details of those references to aid the discussion here.

Sources linked on page discussed above by SportingFlyer
Article	Overview	"more than a trivial mention"
Osobnosť majstra nominovali takmer všetci. Ako vyzerá ideálna jedenástka IV. ligy Bratislava?	Club managers of the fourth-tier league chose their ideal league XI at the end of the 2023-24 season. One of Rovinka's players made it on the list.	No
Bude mať Inter na drese meno trénera súpera? Lembakoali sa teší na strašiaka súťaže	Discusses Rovinka having won the fourth tier in 2023 and refused promotion to the third level.	Yes
O tretiu ligu sa na západe strhol boj. Rovinka odmietla postup, kto ju nahradí?	Discusses Rovinka having refused promotion from the 2022–23 fourth tier, Bratislava league.	Yes
Spolu dali 81 gólov. Ako vyzerá ideálna jedenástka IV. ligy Bratislava?	Discusses team of the season for the 4th division (2022-23 season).	No
Pripravovali sa v akadémii Slovana. Na jar hrajú takmer stále doma a valcujú	Discusses Rovinka having won the 4th-tier league and having played 9 of the first 11 matches in the second half of the season at home.	Yes
IV. liga BFZ: Jeseň prežili v unimobunke. Napriek tomu sú prví a prekonal ich len Neapol	Review of the first half of 2022-23 fourth-tier season.	Yes
Hral za Petržalku a Slovan, pribrzdili ho zranenia. Teraz exceluje v štvrtej lige	Player interview.	No
Jesenný líder hral doma iba štyri zápasy. Na vlastný štadión sa vrátil po dvoch rokoch	Review of the first half of 2022-23 fourth-tier season.	Yes
VIDEO: Rozhodca zostal v šoku. Hráč sadol „na koňa“ a chcel skórovať	In a match against Rovinka, one opposition player got a piggy-back from a team-mate while their team was preparing to take a corner. The referee blew his whistle.	No
Klub z piatej ligy je v osemfinále pohára. Znie to ako sen, teší sa manažér	A team from the fifth tier beat Rovinka in the national cup.	No
Zaskočili velikánov. Ďalšie prekvapenia pandémia nedovolí	COVID eliminated all non-professional teams remaining in the 2020–21 Slovak Cup.	No
Senzácia v pohári. Fortunaligista vypadol s amatérmi	Amateur team Rovinka knocked fully-pro side Senica out of the national cup.	Yes

For me there are 6 instances (some overlapping) where I would argue for it being more than a trivial mention – see third column. In addition to the SME sources, the first source from Nfitz in their comment above (Deník) discusses a 2017 "Super Cup" match between winners of regional cups in the Czech Republic versus Slovakia. According to that, Rovinka played in that on account of having won the Bratislava football association cup beforehand, which I found a primary source for here. All in all, I feel this scrapes WP:GNG. More sources may of course exist. C 679 15:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mama Lion[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. Sources only mentioned in passing. Don't appear to have any charted or had a significant impact. Mdann52 (talk) 11:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Coverage in newspapers. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 14:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most of that appears unrelated to the band. Mdann52 (talk) 14:47, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are a few minor gig announcements for this band, a few gig announcements for a different band, and a couple about lions in a zoo. Not useful for our purposes. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:51, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ATD: Merge or redirect to Lynn Carey, although that article has several issues on its own. Geschichte (talk) 19:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I recommend notability discussions for band members Lynn Carey and Neil Merryweather too. Both articles are based on long histories that really happened but were rarely reported upon, and are written like fan biographies. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - They really existed and released a couple of albums, but unfortunately I can find little evidence that they received significant and reliable media coverage during their time. The current citations are for a one-paragraph album review, placeholders with no info in AllMusic, and a brief mention of a song being placed in a movie. They were mentioned occasionally in laundry lists of bands that worked with certain producers or at certain studios ([13], [14]), and a controversial album cover comes up sometimes in books about other controversies ([15]). In the Internet era they have a few bloggy notices of the "lost classic" variety ([16], [17]). Alas, I simply can't find enough reliable info with which to build an encyclopedic and biographical WP article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:58, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probable Keep, at worst a merge to Neil Merryweather (which should survive these proceedings). The article already cites a short but independent Billboard review from 1972, and they also were covered by Penthouse contemporaneously ([18]) and Ink 19 more recently ([19]). That's enough for this to no longer be about AfD and instead to be about ATD. Chubbles (talk) 05:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both proposed Merge target articles are also the subjects of AFD discussions so they are not ideal Merge target article candidates. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:53, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ayeah Games[edit]

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I am not seeing evidence that this studio passes WP:NCORP. It was created by a WP:SPA so it seems like open and shut WP:SPAM unless someone can bring up evidence it is notable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:48, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No significant independent coverage ~~except for a single article about its game published before the game was even released. This article was copied across a few websites.~~ The article appears to be based on a press release, so even that coverage is not independent. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 03:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shabana Shajahan Aryan[edit]

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Previously deleted and salted as Shabana Shajahan/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shabana Shajahan * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: 2 lead roles In notable series have her clearly meet WP:NACTOR. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I concur with Mushy Yank. At least two co-leading roles in the television series Sembaruthi and Mr. Manaivi. Fulfills NACTOR#1. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:42, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jack Colman (author)[edit]

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No independent reliable sources found. Author thus fails WP:NBIO. GTrang (talk) 01:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Music in Dresden[edit]

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This article cites no sources and contains almost no prose. It claims to be about "Music in Dresden", but it contains only three timelines of classical music composers who allegedly "spent a significant amount of time in the German city of Dresden". It makes no mention of any other kind of music that may have existed at any time in that city. I don't think there is any hope for a reliably sourced version of this article that is anything more than a list of trivia. If there is such a hope, this article is probably not useful as a base for creating it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:SELCRIT, there is no clear selection criteria (having spent "a significant amount of time in Dresden" seems quite arbitrary). Without any sources to support it, it is a case of WP:TNT. The list could be recreated if an editor wants to define precise verifiable criteria for inclusion. In this state, it should not stay on Wikipedia. Broc (talk) 12:32, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ara Najarian[edit]

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Non-notable local official. His city council position doesn't satisfy NPOL and he doesn't seem to meet GNG otherwise. Of the 6 sources cited on the page: one is his page on a database of registered lawyers, one is the Ohio Birth Index, one is his resume, one is his campaign website, and one is his bio on the city of Glendale's official website; the only actual news article cited is a WP:ROTM article about an election he ran in. I can't really find anything better on Google. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 00:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Purely local coverage [20], [21], confirmation of election wins. Nothing beyond routine coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 01:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep and keep improving. Easily meets WP:BASIC and likely WP:GNG. (And a little worried that there has been insufficient WP:BEFORE, possibly because there is also a Los Angeles Times sports writer with the same name, so it generates a ton of irrelevant coverage if you don't use additional search parameters.) Najarian has been vocal about advocating Armenian-American issues – Glendale has one of the largest Armenian communities outside Armenia (and this Los Angeles Times article where he is quoted is just the tip of the iceberg) – and an initial 15-minute search yielded coverage of his meetings with the prime minister of Armenia, and he is also frequently covered in the Armenian-American community press extending beyond Glendale. It will take a long time to sort through all the coverage to identify the "best 3", but this is more a case of having to spend time to search, sort, assess and improve, rather than agonizing that this four-time mayor and councilmember of Glendale has been completely ignored by the media outside of Glendale.) Cielquiparle (talk) 06:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is another one: "Najarian gets presidential welcome in Armenia" which appeared in both the Los Angeles Times and the Glendale News-Press. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Babydog[edit]

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Article clearly does not meet WP:N. See also WP:BLP1E. Content should go into article on 2024 Republican Convention. Casprings (talk) 00:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The subject currently has media going back to 2022. WP:BLP1E doesn’t apply. Thriley (talk) 00:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Extensive coverage in RS for 2-3 yrs now, very much meeting GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 01:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Easily meets GNG. Here's a NY Times article about Justice and Babydog from last year:[22]. Thriley (talk) 01:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: per Oaktree. Queen of Hearts ^talk 01:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: The subject is notable, as is clear from the media attention she has received. This is not based on a single event, as WP:BLP1E typically applies to biographies of living persons. It's crucial to note that Babydog is not a person, and sources have featured her over many years. Articles from the New York Times and other sources confirm this coverage. The subject is part of public discourse, meeting the standards outlined in GNG. This justifies keeping the article.--AstridMitch (talk) 02:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Definitely passes WP:GNG. Not to mention that BLP1E doesn't apply to non-humans, and she has coverage from multiple events from 2021 to 2024. It doesn't even make sense to merge into the 2024 RNC page like the nominator suggests, as this article only has two sentences about her appearance at the RNC. Di (they-them) (talk) 03:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: As Mentioned above this dog is notable per the recent and previous domestic media coverage, but now is viral sensation on social media, and has international attention from News Outlets in, Australia, India and more. This article has already gone above and beyond with suitable sources from multiple places in print, TV and video, including previous articles well before the recent RNC event in 2024, such as the "Do it for Babydog" Vaccine Lottery in 2021. As stated above by others, I agree that it meets the basic criteria for general notability. RedatopiaM (talk) 08:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per others. Coverage is not limited to convention. JSwift49 10:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Jim Justice. Sure the dog is notable, but the content is all still closely related to Justice and can be covered in his article just fine. Reywas92^Talk 13:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Files[edit]

Categories[edit]

NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]

Category:Prehistory by country[edit]

Preliminary discussion on naming consistency for the child categories of Category:Prehistory by country (the current catname Category:Prehistory by country itself has recently been agreed, and does not need to be changed). Do we prefer:

A: Prehistoric Fooland, or
B: Prehistory of Fooland?

Nominator's rationale: Numerically, I do not see a major preference in catnames or main article titles, so a speedy rename per WP:C2C or WP:C2D will probably not apply, and we should have a full discussion. As this is an (indirect) follow-up to our recent CFR on Middle Ages by country (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 11#Middle Ages by country), which resulted in a Rename all to Medieval history of Fooland, this precedent would favour option B. But the almost equally high frequency of Prehistoric Fooland including in main article titles should be taken into account. (A case could even be made that a debate should be had on which way WP:TITLECON should lean in the mainspace before we make our decision here, but we didn't do that for Middle Ages by country either). Whichever option we decide, I recommend leaving a redirect for all categories that we decide to rename, just like last time, in order to ease navigation and editing, and prevent duplication. NLeeuw (talk) 09:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping to participants of previous discussion: @Marcocapelle, Smasongarrison, Ham II, Omnis Scientia, and HouseBlaster: for your consideration. Good day. NLeeuw (talk) 09:32, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A: Prehistoric Fooland Johnbod (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, why is that your preference? NLeeuw (talk) 13:17, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Year by category — used with year parameter(s) equals year in page title[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was: nomination merged to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 13#Category:Year by category — used with year parameter(s) ≠ year in page title

Propose renaming Category:Year by category — used with year parameter(s) equals year in page title to Category:Year by category — used with year parameter(s) matching year in page title

Nominator's rationale: Better grammar; see . Courtesy pings to @Fayenatic london and LaundryPizza03. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The em dash is really weird. Why not rename to Category:Year by category with year parameter(s) matching year in page title? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 10:08, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Establishments in German cities by year[edit]

Propose merging Category:1827 establishments in Bremen to Category:1827 establishments in Germany and Category:19th-century establishments in Bremen
Propose merging Category:1852 establishments in Bremen to Category:1852 establishments in Germany and Category:19th-century establishments in Bremen
Propose merging Category:1857 establishments in Bremen to Category:1857 establishments in Germany and Category:19th-century establishments in Bremen
Propose merging Category:1861 establishments in Bremen to Category:1861 establishments in Germany and Category:19th-century establishments in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:1827 in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:1852 in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:1857 in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:1861 in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:1820s establishments in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:1850s establishments in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:1860s establishments in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:Years of the 19th century in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:Years in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:Decades in Bremen
Propose deleting Category:Establishments in Bremen by year
Propose deleting Category:Establishments in Bremen by decade
Propose renaming Category:1858 establishments in Frankfurt to Category:19th-century establishments in Frankfurt and merging to Category:1858 establishments in Germany
Propose merging Category:1899 establishments in Frankfurt to Category:1899 establishments in Germany and Category:19th-century establishments in Frankfurt

Nominator's rationale: There is scope for growth in century categories, but year categories are not justified here. – Fayenatic London 11:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom, but the pre-1866 "in Germany" categories should be renamed to "in the German Confederation" because Germany as a unified country did not exist yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all, and agree with pre-1866 establishments in the German Confederation. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:55, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirects[edit]

VF2[edit]

VF2 → Virtua Fighter 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There is also Vanadium(II) fluoride and the vf2 algorithm from Graph_isomorphism#Recognition_of_graph_isomorphism. 1234qwer 1234qwer4 10:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate per 1234. 88.235.215.238 (talk) 11:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andy youre a star[edit]

Andy youre a star → Hot Fuss (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect is misspelled, it should be "Andy, You're a Star". Correct spelling already exists. Apollogetticax|^talk 08:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep, seems harmless. 1234qwer 1234qwer4 10:42, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Distribution Center Management System[edit]

Distribution Center Management System → Distribution center management system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect should replace the target article so it uses title-case spelling. Article is about a specific proprietary system, not the general concept; the sentence-case spelling can redirect to Warehouse management system, which is the general concept. Tule-hog (talk) 06:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bigrigs[edit]

Bigrigs → Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

i think it should be retargeted, but should it be to semi-trailer truck, or to big rig (disambiguation)? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Semi-trailer truck: Since this is the primary topic, it would serve readers best to redirect here. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment in my searches, the primary topic is actually Big Rigs, an Australian magazine that at first glance might be notable (I've not looked deeper than that) but which doesn't have an article. The semi-truck page does have a hatnote to the dab page, which lists the video game prominently however that is two clicks rather than none. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment on a related note, I've just created Bigrig as a redirect to Bigrigg (a village in the UK) and added a hatnote to the truck and dab page, but I debated with myself which target is best so feel free to discuss if you think I made the wrong choice. Thryduulf (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
REtarget "bigrigs" and "bigrig" to Semi-trailer truck, as the primary topic. In North America, no Australian magazine would ever come up, since the truck is what is meant -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 08:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing about Wikipedia or "Bigrigs" is inherently North American. Thryduulf (talk) 11:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Super Smash Bros. 6[edit]

Super Smash Bros. 6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

SSB 6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

SSB6 → Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target. No information about a video game named Super Smash Bros. 6 exists in the target article or in Super Smash Bros. Mia Mahey (talk) 22:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete as wrong. ultimate is the 5st installment cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 22:45, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cogsan see below. Some call it the sixth. Not arguing that's correct, but it's plausible at least. Sergecross73 msg me 23:04, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that's if you ignore the fact that smash for 3ds and that other console are both commonly referred to as "sm4sh", and clumped together as two different flavors of the same installment by pretty much everyone less pedantic than me. ironically, nintendo considers them to be separate, but even the article reduces that to note c, accompanied by "but who cares about those guys, most sources say they're both smash 4" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of that changes that its a plausible search term, with sourcing and notes to clear up confusion. Again, I'm not saying its the sixth title. I'm not arguing anyone should think that. I'm saying its a plausible redirect because some people think that, and some sources outline it. Sergecross73 msg me 13:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - it is the sixth entry in the Smash Bros if you consider the 3DS and Wii versions separate games, which some developers/sources do. Sergecross73 msg me 23:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The target does not state that it is the sixth entry in the series instead of the fifth. This redirect will be misleading when a sixth Super Smash Bros. game is released. Mia Mahey (talk) 23:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A reliably sourced mention of how some consider it the sixth entry could be very easily implemented. Additionally, there's no need to right now future-proof the article for a future game that hasn't even been announced to exist yet. Sergecross73 msg me 23:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
People searching for Super Smash Bros. 6 are most likely looking for information on a successor of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. No information on such game exists in the target article, or for that matter, anywhere on Wikipedia, so the redirect is harmful and should be deleted per WP:COSTLY. Mia Mahey (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly disagree with that notion. Why would people be searching for an unannounced game that currently isn't know to exist with this search term? And if someone was knowledgeable enough to use a relatively rare search term like "Smash Bros 6" in a search bar, they'd be knowledgeable enough to understand what Smash Bros Ultimate is. So your confusion scenario feels rather far fetched to me, I don't know what sort of person this would apply to. Doubly so since I've maintained the Ultimate page since its inception and thus has not been a common issue. Sergecross73 msg me 02:34, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Usually only major video games in a series are numbered, and Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is only the fifth major Super Smash Bros. game. If Super Smash Bros. 6 redirects to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, on the basis of the 3DS and Wii U releases being treated as separate games, I think we should probably also have Mario Kart 9 redirect to Mario Kart 8#Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, which we don't and we shouldn't. Mia Mahey (talk) 04:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
by that logic, which one would be 5 anyway? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is irrelevant. There's never been any discussion or consensus that Mario Kart is handling it correctly either, so it's no standard to aspire to. It's just an WP:OSE-violating comparison. Sergecross73 msg me 13:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Super Smash Bros for 3DS and Super Smash Bros for Wii U are both Smash 4, and neither are Smash 5. They did release on separate days, with Wii U being released after 3DS, but they were released literally two months apart, were clearly developed together, and they have several methods of transferring data between the two platforms; it's highly probable that they only released separately due to delays. They also share a Wikipedia page, shared advertising space, pretty much everywhere you go they're talked about as one unit instead of two separate games-- much like, for example, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Blue Rescue Team and Red Rescue Team, another instance of one game with two names on two different Nintendo consoles with different capabilities. (If you throw out the 'two different consoles' thing, pretty much any first-of-the-gen Pokemon game in the history of ever, from Pokemon Red and Blue all the way to Pokémon Scarlet and Violet are examples of this in action. (Like, what, are you saying that Pokémon Emerald is Pokemon 13 or something???)
Because of this, Smash Ultimate is clearly Smash 5, and thus, Smash 6 would logically be the next entry of the series after Smash Ultimate, a game that does not exist. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
no, let's make it worse

red + green (jp) > blue (jp) > stadium (jp) > yellow > red + blue (not jp) > hey you, pikachu > tcg (game boy) > snap > pinball > "stadium" (actually stadium 2) > gold + silver > dance! pikachu > puzzle challenge > puzzle league > "stadium 2" (actually stadium gold and silver) > crystal > pikachu's great surfing adventure > tcg 2 > crayon kids > party mini > zany cards > pinball mini > puzzle collection > tetris > breeder mini (wait what) > puzzle collection vol. 2 > race mini > catch the numbers > pichu bros. mini > togepi's great adventure > ruby + sapphire > box r&s > channel > pinball r&s > channel > pinball r&s > some hiragana and katakana education game > colosseum > firered + leafgreen > pico for everyone > emerald

thus, emerald is the 46nd installment in the pokémon franchise, or the 14st mainline installment cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is that jan Misali reference I'm seeing? :D Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:09, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
a what cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm getting into WP:NOTFORUM territory, but they published a video exploring a similar question but for Super Mario mainline series. Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
oh, that one. my dumb brain forgot it wasn't from summoning salt. whoops cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you're both arguing what's "correct" instead of arguing what's plausible. Whether it's the correct numbering is irrelevant. Some people (not me) believe it to be true, and the alternative is a game that doesn't even exist. We don't need to future proof for scenarios that may not ever even happen. It can be easily and quickly fixed as things potentially change someday. Sergecross73 msg me 00:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate - only mention of "Smash Bros. 6" on Wikipedia is from that article, talking about a Bandai Namco recruitment page stating: The recruitment page consisted of a listing for programmers for "Smash Bros. 6", which was expected to be released in 2015 for both the Wii U and Nintendo 3DS", which is likely why the redirect exists in the first place. It being mentioned there is just a happy coincidence though - the main reason why I am saying it should go to Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate rather than Super Smash Bros. Ultimate directly is because the lengthy discussions above shows that there is ambiguity that SB6 would refer to Ultimate or some future/non-existent game, and Super Smash Bros.#2015–2021: Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is directly above a "Future" section, so this redirect would cover both bases. As an aside, I don't think the above discussions need to be continued - regardless of anyone's views, I think the outcome is obvious that there's no clear primary topic - we now just need to find the best way of disambiguating. BugGhost 🪲👻 08:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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while this discussion goes nowhere, i should note ssb6 and ssb 6 also exist, and could be added here cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Military drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Combat drone → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Combat drones → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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battlefield unmanned aerial vehicle → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Non-US battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
International Battlefield UAVs (2) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
International Battlefield UAVs (1) → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
International Battlefield UAVs → unmanned combat aerial vehicle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These need retargetting, as these are not specific to UCAV. Military drones can be unarmed, such as the Global Hawk, and most target drones (Q-planes) like the QF-4 (retired fighter converted to target drone). Armed drones are not restricted to UCAVs, such as sea drones operated by Ukraine that have sunk many Russian ships. On the Ukrainian battlefield, armed and unarmed land drones (unmanned ground vehicle -- UGV) also are being used, as are armed and unarmed aerial drones (UAV - unmanned aerial vehicle). Both the US and China have demonstrated drone tanks and robot dogs with machine guns. Police have tracked ground drones armed with shotguns, so not just militaries have armed drones. UXOD and landmine clearing also use military ground drones.

-- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 13:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment International Battlefield UAVs (1) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and International Battlefield UAVs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) should probably have a round robin swap, since the edit history is located at (1) and no significant history is located at the base name. That would allow deletion of (1) and International Battlefield UAVs (2) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) as useless numbered redirects from old swaps -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 14:08, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if there is no better target, they should retarget to drone (disambiguation) page, that lists various types of drones. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete International Battlefield UAVs and International Battlefield UAVs (2), as they appear to have been created during a botched round robin move. Then move International Battlefield UAVs (1) to International Battlefield UAVs without leaving a redirect, as its revision history is likely worth keeping. At the moment, I'm not sure what to do about the rest, but I agree that their current target is not optimal. - ZLEA _T\^C 05:50, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Upon further thought, I believe the best course of action for the others would be to make Military drone a disambiguation page and retarget the rest to it. - ZLEA _T\^C 17:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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