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- Category:Beroun geography stubs to Category:Beroun District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kladno geography stubs to Category:Kladno District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kolín geography stubs to Category:Kolín District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Kutná Hora geography stubs to Category:Kutná Hora District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mladá Boleslav geography stubs to Category:Mladá Boleslav District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Nymburk geography stubs to Category:Nymburk District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Prague-East geography stubs to Category:Prague-East District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Příbram geography stubs to Category:Příbram District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rakovník geography stubs to Category:Rakovník District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Benešov geography stubs to Category:Benešov District geography stubs – C2C/C2D Grutness...wha? 07:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Glassmaking companies of Türkiye to Category:Glassmaking companies of Turkey – C2D. FromCzech (talk) 04:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the National Council (Slovakia) 1992-1994 to Category:Members of the National Council (Slovakia) 1992–1994 – C2A HeyElliott (talk) 03:07, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Gambia at the Islamic Solidarity Games to Category:The Gambia at the Islamic Solidarity Games – C2C: See Category:The Gambia at multi-sport events. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Video games by language to Category:Single-language video games – C2C: Rename to this since it now has a different meaning. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for speedy, this does not qualify for WP:C2C. It should be discussed at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges to Category:Northwest Athletic Conference – C2D Jweiss11 (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Water polo players by populated place in the United States to Category:American water polo players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Water polo players by city or town in Italy to Category:Italian water polo players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Water polo players by city or town in Greece to Category:Greek water polo players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Water polo players by city or town in France to Category:French water polo players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Water polo players by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian water polo players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Water polo players by city or town in Brazil to Category:Brazilian water polo players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis players by populated place in the United States to Category:American tennis players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis players by populated place in South Africa to Category:South African tennis players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis players by populated place in Italy to Category:Italian tennis players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis players by populated place in Germany to Category:German tennis players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis players by populated place in France to Category:French tennis players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis players by populated place in China to Category:Chinese tennis players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Tennis players by populated place in Australia to Category:Australian tennis players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Volleyball players by populated place in the United States to Category:American volleyball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Volleyball players by city or town in Greece to Category:Greek volleyball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by populated place in the United States to Category:American swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in England to Category:English swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Sweden to Category:Swedish swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Spain to Category:Spanish swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Russia to Category:Russian swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Pakistan to Category:Pakistani swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in New Zealand to Category:Dutch swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in the Netherlands to Category:Dutch swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:39, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Italy to Category:Italian swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in India to Category:Indian swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Greece to Category:Greek swimmers swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Germany to Category:German swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in France to Category:French swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in China to Category:Chinese swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Brazil to Category:Brazilian swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swimmers by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian swimmers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Speed skaters by populated place in the United States to Category:American speed skaters by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Skiers by populated place in the United States to Category:American skiers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Skiers by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian skiers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alpine skiers by city or town to Category:Alpine skiers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sport shooters by city or town in India to Category:Indian sport shooters by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in Wales to Category:Welsh rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in Northern Ireland to Category:Rugby union players from Northern Ireland by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in England to Category:English rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in South Africa to Category:South African rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in Namibia to Category:Namibian rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in Ireland to Category:Irish rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in France to Category:French rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby union players by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian rugby union players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players by city or town in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand rugby league players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players by city or town in France to Category:French rugby league players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players by city or town in Fiji to Category:Fijian rugby league players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian rugby league players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British rugby league players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players by city or town in Wales to Category:Welsh rugby league players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish rugby league players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league players by city or town in England to Category:English rugby league players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rowers by populated place in the United States to Category:American rowers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rowers by populated place in Russia to Category:Russian rowers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rowers by populated place in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand rowers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rowers by populated place in Italy to Category:Italian rowers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rowers by populated place in Greece to Category:Greek rowers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rowers by city or town in Germany to Category:German rowers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rowers by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian rowers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rowers by populated place in Australia to Category:Australian rowers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Racing drivers in the United States by populated place to Category:American racing drivers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Racing drivers by city or town in Italy to Category:Italian racing drivers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Racing drivers by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian racing drivers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mountain climbers by populated place in the United States to Category:American mountain climbers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Motorcycle racers in the United States by populated place to Category:American motorcycle racers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Martial artists by city or town in India to Category:Indian martial artists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jockeys by populated place in the United States to Category:American jockeys by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ice hockey people by populated place in the United States to Category:American ice hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ice hockey players by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish ice hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ice hockey players by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British ice hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ice hockey people by city or town in Sweden to Category:Swedish ice hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ice hockey people by populated place in Russia to Category:Russian ice hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ice hockey people by city or town in Finland to Category:Finnish ice hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ice hockey people by city or town in the Czech Republic to Category:Czech ice hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ice hockey people by city in Canada to Category:Canadian ice hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FIVB Volleyball Women's Challenger Cup to Category:FIVB Women's Volleyball Challenger Cup – C2D Bagoto (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FIVB Volleyball Women's Challenger Cup qualification to Category:FIVB Women's Volleyball Challenger Cup qualification – C2D, C2C Bagoto (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2018 FIVB Volleyball Women's Challenger Cup qualification to Category:2018 FIVB Women's Volleyball Challenger Cup qualification – C2D, C2C Bagoto (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2019 FIVB Volleyball Women's Challenger Cup qualification to Category:2019 FIVB Women's Volleyball Challenger Cup qualification – C2D, C2C Bagoto (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FIVB Volleyball Men's Challenger Cup to Category:FIVB Men's Volleyball Challenger Cup – C2D Bagoto (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FIVB Volleyball Men's Challenger Cup qualification to Category:FIVB Men's Volleyball Challenger Cup qualification – C2D, C2C Bagoto (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2018 FIVB Volleyball Men's Challenger Cup qualification to Category:2018 FIVB Men's Volleyball Challenger Cup qualification – C2D, C2C Bagoto (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2019 FIVB Volleyball Men's Challenger Cup qualification to Category:2019 FIVB Men's Volleyball Challenger Cup qualification – C2D, C2C Bagoto (talk) 13:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Horse trainers by populated place in the United States to Category:American horse trainers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by populated place in the United States to Category:American field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in Spain to Category:Spanish field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in South Africa to Category:South African field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in Pakistan to Category:Pakistani field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in the Netherlands to Category:Dutch field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in India to Category:Indian field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in Germany to Category:German field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Field hockey players by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian field hockey players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Gymnasts by populated place in the United States to Category:American gymnasts by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Gymnasts by city or town in Greece to Category:Greek gymnasts by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Golfers by populated place in the United States to Category:American golfers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Golfers by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British golfers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Golfers by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish golfers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Golfers by city or town in England to Category:English golfers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Golfers by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian golfers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Zimbabwe to Category:Zimbabwean footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Zambia to Category:Zambian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Venezuela to Category:Venezuelan footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Uruguay to Category:Uruguayan footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Soccer players by populated place in the United States to Category:American soccer players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Association footballers by city or town in Northern Ireland to Category:Association footballers from Northern Ireland by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Wales to Category:Welsh footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in England to Category:English footballers by populated place – C2B. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Ukraine to Category:Ukrainian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Turkey to Category:Turkish footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Tunisia to Category:Tunisian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Taiwan to Category:Taiwanese footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Syria to Category:Syrian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Switzerland to Category:Swiss footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Sweden to Category:Swedish footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Suriname to Category:Surinamese footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Spain to Category:Spanish footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in South Korea to Category:South Korean footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Soccer players by city or town in South Africa to Category:South African soccer players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Slovenia to Category:Slovenian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Slovakia to Category:Slovak footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Serbia to Category:Serbian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Senegal to Category:Senegalese footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Saudi Arabia to Category:Saudi Arabian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Russia to Category:Russian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Portugal to Category:Portuguese footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Poland to Category:Polish footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Peru to Category:Peruvian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Paraguay to Category:Paraguayan footballers by populated place – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Panama to Category:Panamanian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Pakistan to Category:Pakistani footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Norway to Category:Norwegian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in North Macedonia to Category:Macedonian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Nigeria to Category:Nigerian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Association footballers by city or town in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand association footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in the Netherlands to Category:Dutch footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Namibia to Category:Namibian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Morocco to Category:Moroccan footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Montenegro to Category:Montenegrin footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Mongolia to Category:Mongolian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Moldova to Category:Moldovan footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Mexico to Category:Mexican footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Lithuania to Category:Lithuanian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Lebanon to Category:Lebanese footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Latvia to Category:Latvian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Kenya to Category:Kenyan footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Kazakhstan to Category:Kazakhstani footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Jordan to Category:Jordanian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Ivory Coast to Category:Ivorian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Italy to Category:Italian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Israel to Category:Israeli footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Association footballers by city or town in the Republic of Ireland to Category:Republic of Ireland association footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Iraq to Category:Iraqi footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Iran to Category:Iranian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Indonesia to Category:Indonesian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in India to Category:Indian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Hungary to Category:Hungarian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Greece to Category:Greek footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Ghana to Category:Ghanaian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Germany to Category:German footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Georgia (country) to Category:Footballers from Georgia (country) by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in France to Category:French footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Finland to Category:Finnish footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Ethiopia to Category:Ethiopian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Estonia to Category:Estonian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Egypt to Category:Egyptian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Ecuador to Category:Ecuadorian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Denmark to Category:Danish footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in the Czech Republic to Category:Czech footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Croatia to Category:Croatian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Costa Rica to Category:Costa Rican footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Colombia to Category:Colombian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in China to Category:Chinese footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Chile to Category:Chilean footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Cape Verde to Category:Cape Verdean footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Soccer players by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian soccer players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Cameroon to Category:Cameroonian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Bulgaria to Category:Bulgarian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:42, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Brazil to Category:Brazilian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Bosnia and Herzegovina to Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Bolivia to Category:Bolivian footballers by populated place – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Belgium to Category:Belgian footballers by populated place – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Belarus to Category:Belarusian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Bangladesh to Category:Bangladeshi footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Azerbaijan to Category:Azerbaijani footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Austria to Category:Austrian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Soccer players by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian soccer players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Armenia to Category:Armenian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Argentina to Category:Argentine footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Angola to Category:Angolan footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Andorra to Category:Andorran footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Algeria to Category:Algerian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Albania to Category:Albanian footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers by city or town in Afghanistan to Category:Afghan footballers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Figure skaters by populated place in the United States to Category:American figure skaters by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Figure skaters by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian figure skaters by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Fencers by populated place in the United States to Category:American fencers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by populated place in the United States to Category:American cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in England to Category:English cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city in Switzerland to Category:Swiss cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in Spain to Category:Spanish cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in the Netherlands to Category:Dutch cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in Italy to Category:Italian cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in Germany to Category:German cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in France to Category:French cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in China to Category:Chinese cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in Belgium to Category:Belgian cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cyclists by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian cyclists by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curlers by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British curlers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curlers by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish curlers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Curlers by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian curlers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Winnipeg to Category:Track and field athletes from Winnipeg – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Victoria, British Columbia to Category:Track and field athletes from Victoria, British Columbia – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Vancouver to Category:Track and field athletes from Vancouver – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Toronto to Category:Track and field athletes from Toronto – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:02, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Saskatoon to Category:Track and field athletes from Saskatoon – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Regina, Saskatchewan to Category:Track and field athletes from Regina, Saskatchewan – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Ottawa to Category:Track and field athletes from Ottawa – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Montreal to Category:Track and field athletes from Montreal – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Mississauga to Category:Track and field athletes from Mississauga – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from London, Ontario to Category:Track and field athletes from London, Ontario – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Hamilton, Ontario to Category:Track and field athletes from Hamilton, Ontario – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Edmonton to Category:Track and field athletes from Edmonton – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes from Calgary to Category:Track and field athletes from Calgary – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Track and field athletes by populated place in the United States to Category:American track and field athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in Northern Ireland to Category:Athletes from Northern Ireland by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in England to Category:English athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in Italy to Category:Italian athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in India to Category:Indian athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in Greece to Category:Greek athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in Germany to Category:German athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Track and field athletes by populated place in Canada to Category:Canadian track and field athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Athletes by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian athletes by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in Zimbabwe to Category:Zimbabwean cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by populated place in the United States to Category:American cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Native Tongues Posse to Category:Native Tongues members – C2C: Per all hip hop collectives in Category:Musicians by band. Mike Selinker (talk) 03:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in Wales to Category:Welsh cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in Northern Ireland to Category:Cricketers from Northern Ireland by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in England to Category:English cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in Sri Lanka to Category:Sri Lankan cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in South Africa to Category:South African cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in Pakistan to Category:Pakistani cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in India to Category:Indian cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in Bangladesh to Category:Bangladeshi cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cricketers by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian cricketers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by populated place in the United States to Category:American boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in Scotland to Category:Scottish boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in England to Category:English boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in Wales to Category:Welsh boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in Northern Ireland to Category:Boxers from Northern Ireland by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in the United Kingdom to Category:British boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in New Zealand to Category:New Zealand boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in Italy to Category:Italian boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxers by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian boxers by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by populated place in the United States to Category:American basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Spain to Category:Spanish basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Serbia to Category:Serbian basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Russia to Category:Russian basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in the Philippines to Category:Filipino basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Lithuania to Category:Lithuanian basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Italy to Category:Italian basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Greece to Category:Greek basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Croatia to Category:Croatian basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in China to Category:Chinese basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Canada to Category:Canadian basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:24, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Australia to Category:Australian basketball players by populated place – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Basketball players by city or town in Albania to Category:Albanian basketball players by populated place – C2C: per recent precedent and previous precents before that. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Japan-only video game hardware to Category:Japan-exclusive video game hardware – C2C. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Osu Salem School teaching staff to Category:Teachers at Osu Salem School – C2C: siblings are Schoolteachers by school and they're either FOOian teachers or Teachers at FOO (and definitely not teaching staff). I'm indifferent between Osu Salem School teachers and Teachers at Osu Salem School, so I picked one. If anyone feels strongly, I'm happy to use the alterative name Mason (talk) 15:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia Top 50 Report to Category:Wikipedia Top 50 Reports – C2C: To match other sub-categories in Category:Wikipedia Top 25 Report. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Arabian breeders and trainers to Category:Arabian horse breeders and trainers – C2A: To clarify the name. These peoeple breed and train Arabian horses. They aren't Arabian. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Memorials to George H. W. Bush to Category:Monuments and memorials to George H. W. Bush – WP:C2C per all the other cats for deceased presidents, including Category:Monuments and memorials to Ronald Reagan and Category:Monuments and memorials to Abraham Lincoln
- Category:Memorials to John F. Kennedy to Category:Monument and memorials to John F. Kennedy – also per the subcategory, Category:Monuments and memorials to John F. Kennedy in the United States. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Political positions of Philippine politicians to Category:Political positions of Filipino politicians – C2B: norm is Filipino politicians Mason (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:21st-century Somali women engineers to Category:21st-century Somalian women engineers – C2C: parent is Somalian women engineers Mason (talk) 04:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Somali monarchs to Category:Somalian monarchs – C2C: parents are Somalian not Somali Mason (talk) 04:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Country or ethnicity? Better discuss this at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests[edit]
- Category:Buyid emirs of Fars to Category:Buyid emirs of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, anachronistic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Then what do you propose? Abu Kalijar lead links to Fars province. Gonnym (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just keep as is. "Emir of Fars" is the title that is being used. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Then what do you propose? Abu Kalijar lead links to Fars province. Gonnym (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, anachronistic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Safavid governors of Fars to Category:Safavid governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rashidun governors of Fars to Category:Rashidun governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Qajar governors of Fars to Category:Qajar governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Abbasid governors of Fars to Category:Abbasid governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:39, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Governors of Fars to Category:Governors of Fars province – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all governors nominations above, anachronistic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Portuguese duchesses to Category:Duchesses of Portugal – C2C: Category:Dukes of Portugal. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Polish countesses to Category:Countesses of Poland – C2C: Category:Counts of Poland. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Spanish duchesses to Category:Duchesses of Spain – C2C: Category:Dukes of Spain. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Spanish countesses to Category:Countesses of Spain – C2C: Category:Counts of Spain. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swedish baronesses to Category:Baronesses of Sweden – C2C: Category:Barons of Sweden. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French baronesses to Category:Baronesses of France – C2C: Category:Barons of France. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:49, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:French duchesses to Category:Duchesses of France – C2C: Category:Dukes of France + children categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:48, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hungarian countesses to Category:Countesses of Hungary – C2C: Category:Counts of Hungary Hey man im josh (talk) 16:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Danish baronesses to Category:Baronesses of Denmark – C2C: Category:Barons of Denmark Hey man im josh (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Austrian countesses to Category:Countesses of Austria – C2C: Category:Counts of Austria. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian countesses to Category:Countesses of Belgium – C2C: Category:Counts of Belgium as well as child categories. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: oppose the above duchesses, countesses and baronesses nominations, the proposed name wrongly suggests that Duchess of Foo was their title, while these categories are in fact about Fooian nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ghaznavid sultans to Category:Sultans of Ghazna – C2C: Category:Sultans + category contents. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose this one, the name refers to the dynasty Ghaznavids. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:11th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:11th-century kings of the Romans
- Category:12th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:12th-century kings of the Romans
- Category:13th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:13th-century kings of the Romans
- Category:14th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:14th-century kings of the Romans
- Category:15th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:15th-century kings of the Romans
- Category:16th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:16th-century kings of the Romans
- Category:17th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:17th-century kings of the Romans
- Category:18th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:18th-century kings of the Romans
- Category:19th-century Kings of the Romans to Category:19th-century kings of the Romans
- Oppose Kings of the Romans nominations. "King of the Romans" is a full title, it has nothing to do with Romans. Also, this has been on full discussion before. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: How is this different from MOS:JOBTITLES? King becomes kings when pluralized in all applications that I'm aware of. What more is a discussion supposed to yield? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Following up on this in case you missed the ping @Marcocapelle. Is the idea that "Kings of the Romans" is itself a proper title? Hey man im josh (talk) 12:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is right. This should be at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Following up on this in case you missed the ping @Marcocapelle. Is the idea that "Kings of the Romans" is itself a proper title? Hey man im josh (talk) 12:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: How is this different from MOS:JOBTITLES? King becomes kings when pluralized in all applications that I'm aware of. What more is a discussion supposed to yield? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Kings of the Romans nominations. "King of the Romans" is a full title, it has nothing to do with Romans. Also, this has been on full discussion before. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Video gamers to Category:Video game players – C2C: To match Category:Game players, which is not called "gamers". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Main article's title is Gamer. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- So you propose we change Category:Board game players and Category:Card game players to Category:Board gamers and Category:Card gamers? As the lead article says it includes them and we should have one consistent style. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do not propose those other categories for name changing too. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- So you propose we change Category:Board game players and Category:Card game players to Category:Board gamers and Category:Card gamers? As the lead article says it includes them and we should have one consistent style. Gonnym (talk) 11:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: Main article's title is Gamer. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
- None currently
Moved to full discussion[edit]
- Category:Neo-Latin writers to Category:Writers in Neo-Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 01:01, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not very natural language. It is inconsistent with the same level categories "Classical Latin-language writers", "Latin-language writers of late antiquity", "Medieval Latin-language writers", "Old Latin-language writers", and "Renaissance Latin-language writers".
- This is because "Neo-Latin" etc are actually styles, that are associated with a period. Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Latin-language writers of late antiquity to Category:Writers of late antiquity in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:57, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Classical Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Classical Latin – C2C: Parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Very clumsy sounding Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin-language writers to Category:Writers in Old Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds clumsy. Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Renaissance Latin-language writers to Category:Renaissance writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sounds weird per others Jim Killock (talk) 05:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Medieval Latin-language writers to Category:Medieval writers in Latin – C2C: Per all child cats and per parent Category:Writers in Latin by period. NLeeuw (talk) 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same Jim Killock (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Same. These sound weird. Jim Killock (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- But these are not "by period"; they are "by style". This especially true for Neo-Latin. The periods and styles often coincide, but not precisely. Better would be to follow the styles defined in the articles, so:
- I've explained elsewhere that the periods and styles are not precise. For instance, a writer in the Renaissance may have employed Medieval Latin, or Renaissance Latin; and some may define their Renaissance Latin as Neo-Latin. These are stylistic boundaries which roughly match period, but it is the style, not the period, that determines their classifications. Jim Killock (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that the whole category structure is used to amalgamate and conflate these two ideas. I don't have an easy solution to it, that doesn't involve some work. It's reasonable to say that a C12th Medieval Latin writer used Medieval Latin, or a C20th writer uses Neo-Latin. Boundary centuries seem debateable. However, the structure makes an absolute assumption, that century and style are the same, except where I started to break it up. This has come up in two recent discussions, the other being when someone wanted to remove my boundary category. But it's clear that the intention was that Category:Classical Latin-language writers should contain Classical Latin writers, ie be a style category, not a time category. Likewise, Late Latin and Neo-Latin. There can be doubt about medieval Latin because of it seems to refer to a period rather than a style; however as it is a set of style categories we should assume it is about style, likewise for Renaissance Latin. The fact that the categories group information from centuries is a laziness, nothing more. In short it is a mess but it is only made worse by changing the names to appear to refer to time periods, some of which don't really exist (Classical Latin isn't a time, nor is Latin Latin, nor is Neo-Latin).
- Category:Writers in Classical Latin; Category:Writers in Neo-Latin - these all refer to a style; they are acceptable from that perspective, but they sounds strange / clumsy to my ear; the natural way to say is Category:Classical Latin writers, Category:Neo-Latin writers, or as close to that as WP allows.
- Taking one example to show why the suggested formulation can sound wrong. Category:Writers in Old Latin; Old Latin is recognised as a phase of Latin, rather than a "style" of Latin, so a bit different, but it functions the same. It is like Old English, not quite the same as Modern English. So, "writers in Old Latin" doesn't work because You [verb] in [language]; you don't [person] in [language]. It is either People writing in Old Latin or Old Latin writers. So Category:Old Latin writers sounds better, another option would be Category:Writers using Old Latin.
- Category:Renaissance writers in Latin; Category:Medieval writers in Latin - refer to a time period and remove the style names. These would need to be Category:Writers in Renaissance Latin; Category:Writers in Medieval Latin. This is not great English, most natural would be Category:Medieval Latin writers, Category: Renaissance Latin writers
- So there seems to be some inconsistency of approach in the current suggestion, as well as a somewhat clumsy use of "in" that isn't needed.
- It has taken me some time to pinpoint the issue with "in"; but I think it is because language can be either a noun or an adjective. When it is a style, describing how someone writes, "Classical Latin" etc, is an adjective. If "Classical Latin" is an adjective, then "in" shouldn't be used. If "Classical Latin" is a noun, as with "Classical Latin" the topic then "in" is possible, eg "Grammar in Classical Latin", or "They write in Classical Latin". As an adjective, it works as "Classical Latin writers". --Jim Killock (talk) 00:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Neo-Latin writers. NLeeuw (talk) 17:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose this will have to be moved to full then... NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock I know. Category:14th-century Neo-Latin writers were a thing; it's good that you created that category. But I don't see how it would create a problem if we renamed it Category:14th-century writers in Neo-Latin. If anything, it is even clearer that "14th-century" refers to "writers" and not to "Neo-Latin", so that we shouldn't assume that the kind of Latin they wrote was Medieval Latin. This is all the more reason in favour of renaming, so that our readers understand the difference between style and period. NLeeuw (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @JimKillock The parent Category:Writers in Latin by period and grandparent Category:Writers in Latin and other related categories were all renamed by consensus last year: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 7#Category:Latin-language writers. These are just logical follow-ups to that result. The reason we went for this formula is explained at length in that nom. NLeeuw (talk) 15:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions[edit]
June 18[edit]
NEW NOMINATIONS[edit]
Category:Mělník geography stubs[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Mělník geography stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge with template into parent Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs. This and the nomination below fail to reach a reasonable number of stubs (around 60 is the usual cut-off). Not understubbed as far as I can tell. Note: if kept, it should be renamed to Category:Mělník District geography stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs). Grutness...wha? 06:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Prague-West geography stubs[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Prague-West geography stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge with template into parent Category:Central Bohemian Region geography stubs. This and the nomination above fail to reach a reasonable number of stubs (around 60 is the usual cut-off). Not understubbed as far as I can tell. Note: if kept, it should be renamed to Category:Prague-West District geography stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs).Grutness...wha? 06:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:21st century in Nouakchott[edit]
- Propose merging Category:21st century in Nouakchott to Category:Nouakchott
- Nominator's rationale: merge, there is only one article in the entire tree of Category:History of Nouakchott. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Chen dynasty Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Chen dynasty Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Liang dynasty Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Liang dynasty Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Liu Song Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Liu Song Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Northern Qi Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Qi Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Northern Wei Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Wei Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Northern Zhou Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Northern Zhou Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Southern Qi Buddhist monks to Category:Northern and Southern dynasties Buddhist monks and Category:Southern Qi Buddhists
- Nominator's rationale: merge, narrow intersection between very short-living dynasties (typically a few decades) and religion and occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
June 17[edit]
Category:Dead or Alive (franchise) films[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Dead or Alive (franchise) films to Category:Dead of Alive (film series)
- Nominator's rationale: To avoid confusion with the Dead or Alive video game franchise. Could also be deleted, as the films have a fairly loose connection between them. (Oinkers42) (talk) 20:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- May want to check on the suggested category name; you may have meant or rather than of. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 23:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Companies in the MSCI KLD 400 Social Index[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Companies in the MSCI KLD 400 Social Index (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a defining category -- one of many indices that these companies would be on. Index's own article doesn't demonstrate notability. Nat Gertler (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - MSCI literally publishes the inclusion criteria/methodology. A company wouldn't "just be on" a list like this (ie Apple isn't). It's exclusive enough (only about 10% of companies in the US). Only reason article doesn't list them all is because there's 400 of them. And that's what a category is for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.78.190.234 (talk) 20:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- That might make it a defined category; that does not make it a defining category of the groups members, one that is likely to be mentioned by appropriate sources covering an individual member... which is the requirement for categorization. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic of a company. If anything, a list might be created, instead of a category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bergey's volume 1[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Bergey's volume 1 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Apparently the contents of the category are bacterial taxa discussed in volume 1 of Bergey's Manual of Systematic Bacteriology. This is not a defining characteristic of the subject of the articles in the category Plantdrew (talk) 19:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Divers from London, Ontario[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Divers from London, Ontario (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:58, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Possibly merge to Category:Sportspeople from London, Ontario but the article does not mention London at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rugby league players by city or town in Namibia[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Rugby league players by city or town in Namibia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Rugby league players from Tsumeb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete whole tree. Only one category which only has one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:White Southerners (United States)[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:White Southerners (United States) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. Half of Americans could conceivably belong to this group. First two applications of this cat (Confederados, Jefferson Davis) demonstrate the user's intention. This new category is associated with category creator's reverted new versions of White Southerners article. BusterD (talk) 13:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:OVERLAPCAT, with the current content the scope of the category seems similar to the whole tree of Category:Confederate States of America. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of Emmerdale characters[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Emmerdale characters to Category:List of Emmerdale characters
- Nominator's rationale: I feel as though that renaming it to 'Category:List of Emmerdale characters'. Reason (rationale) is because I feel as though 'list' makes more sense than 'lists', but idk if the grammar/title is in a correct format so I am brining it to discussion. JuniperChill (talk) 12:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is not a list of characters, it is a category containing the "lists" of characters and hence should not be renamed. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 13:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the category contains multiple lists. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Athletes by location in Greece[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Athletes by location in Greece to Category:Greek athletes
- Propose merging Category:Swimmers by location in Greece to Category:Greek swimmers
- Propose merging Category:Sailors (sport) by location in Greece to Category:Greek sailors (sport)
- Propose merging Category:Rowers by location in Greece to Category:Greek rowers
- Propose merging Category:Gymnasts by location in Greece to Category:Greek gymnasts
- Propose merging Category:Basketball players by location in Greece to Category:Greek basketball players
- Propose merging Category:Volleyball players by location in Greece to Category:Greek volleyball players
- Propose merging Category:Water polo players by location in Greece to Category:Greek water polo players
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge; only one category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Theoretically it should include more subcategories, by regional unit, etc.. As such it would fit with the rest of the tree. I think they were even included at some point but I haven't checked in a while. Antondimak (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Antondimak, if this - along with other categories in Category:Sportspeople by location in Greece which I only just noticed - can be populated, I will withdraw the nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I remember most of these being populated. Now only footballers are. I don't know of any tool to check category history. Antondimak (talk) 14:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Antondimak, if this - along with other categories in Category:Sportspeople by location in Greece which I only just noticed - can be populated, I will withdraw the nomination. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Theoretically it should include more subcategories, by regional unit, etc.. As such it would fit with the rest of the tree. I think they were even included at some point but I haven't checked in a while. Antondimak (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Antondimak, @Marcocapelle, I've added the remaining categories which have only one category layer. Anton, my best guess is that, if they did exist, they were likely merged or deleted. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- For no good reason I'd guess. Do you know of any tool to check category history? Antondimak (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm afraid not but @Marcocapelle may know. Personally, I can't find any Cfd on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The only thing I know, or vaguely remember is better-phrased, is that in Google search you can to some extent find back older versions of a webpage. So this is outside Wikipedia. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm afraid not but @Marcocapelle may know. Personally, I can't find any Cfd on it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- For no good reason I'd guess. Do you know of any tool to check category history? Antondimak (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Antondimak, @Marcocapelle, I've added the remaining categories which have only one category layer. Anton, my best guess is that, if they did exist, they were likely merged or deleted. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Plague doctor[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Plague doctor to Category:History of medieval medicine
- Nominator's rationale: Selective merge/major purge. Only two of the pages actually fit in this category; the rest are medical professionals who treated the plague. Mason (talk) 01:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Plague doctors, it is largely a set category. Purge Harsh Vardhan Batra who is a modern scientist rather than a 16th/17th century plague doctor. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Marco Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
June 16[edit]
Category:Mexican baseball players by populated place[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn there are more categories now. (non-admin closure) Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Triple merge to parent categories. Only one category layer Category:Mexican baseball players Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. There's only one subcat because one or two American baseball fans decided that baseball shouldn't be split by city (unlike every other sport). A fewcouple of Mexican city categories (such as Monterrey) were deleted at that time. I've added one that didn't exist before, so there are now two in the proposed category, but if that's seen as unnecessary, you have my permission (as sole author) to delete it too. Grutness...wha? 03:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Single merge to Category:Baseball players by populated place, the content is already kept in the tree of the two other targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Cheerleader video games[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Cheerleader video games to Category:Cheerleading video games
- Nominator's rationale: All other activity-related video game categories follow the format of referring to the name of the activity rather than an individual participant in it. For instance, "Cooking Video Games" rather than "Chef Video Games" and "Association Football Video Games" rather than "Footballer Video Games". The category should therefore follow this naming convention. SummerPocket (talk) 20:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Works by year and decade, 500-1000[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:565 works
- Propose deleting Category:565 works
- Propose deleting Category:574 works
- Propose deleting Category:586 works
- Propose deleting Category:587 works
- Propose deleting Category:588 works
- Propose deleting Category:589 works
- Propose deleting Category:593 works
- Propose deleting Category:597 works
- Nominator's rationale: delete (or merge if incidentally there is an article in the category). In the period 500-1000 this category tree nearly coincides with Category:Buildings and structures by year of completion and Category:Buildings and structures by decade of completion, it is a redundant category layer that adds unnecessary complexity. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mansas of Mali[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Mansas of Mali to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire
- Nominator's rationale: rename as more accurate, this is not about the modern republic of Mali. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2020s[edit]
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- The result of the discussion was: Moot. Nom is moot because cats deleted under G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2020s (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Shootings in 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in 2024 (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Terrorist shootings in the 2010s (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: We don't need to distinguish that the shooting was terrorist related. And this is really giving off the same vibes Mason (talk) 18:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Bombings[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: Moot. Nom is moot because cats deleted under G5: Creation by a blocked or banned user in violation of block or ban (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Bombings by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2024 bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:2020s bombings (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Empty pile of categories by a new editor who's category creation behavior is reminiscent of @Brudelman:. I'm nomiating the cats to just get them all out of the way in one go. Mason (talk) 18:38, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Com Truise[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Com Truise (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: With only subcategories for albums (and their covers, which are only image files) along with a discography page, this is overcategorization per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Basshunter instrumentals[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Basshunter instrumentals (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: This is the only category in Category:Instrumentals dedicated to one artist, and all of the items in the category are redirects. Trivialist (talk) 16:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Knights of Boufflers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Knights of Boufflers to Category:French knights and Category:People from Hauts-de-France
- Propose merging Category:Knights of Chaumont to Category:French knights and Category:People from Chaumont, Haute-Marne
- Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge. The only person is each of these category doesn't mention this knighthood. Mason (talk) 14:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but to Category:French knights only. There is no evidence that these people were from somewhere. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Defunct department stores of the United States and Category:Defunct discount stores of the United States
- Propose merging Category:Off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Department stores of the United States and Category:Discount stores of the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category Mason (talk) 13:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Expulsions of Jews in 19th-century Europe[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews from Palestine to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews from the Middle East to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Nazi and Axis countries to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- @Smasongarrison missing rationale in this and the three other proposals above? You could bundle them with the proposal below, or copypaste your rationale from it? NLeeuw (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in 19th-century Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in antiquity to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Medieval Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in Communist Europe to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Propose merging Category:Expulsions of Jews in The Americas to Category:Expulsions of Jews
- Nominator's rationale: Narrow categories made by the same user that are not helpful for navigation. If not merged, they need to be renamed to match category conventions. Notably the category creator participated in the CFD Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_February_7#Category:Expulsions_of_Jews_in_Nazi-controlled_Europe, which ended in delete/merge. They immediately recreated one of the categories and added the page back less than 24 hours after the CFD was processed.[1] Mason (talk) 13:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Purge and merge, many articles aren't about an expulsion at all. Too few really are about an expulsion so we do not need this diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1986[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1986 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1981 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1967 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1940 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Propose merging Category:Philippine Military Academy Class of 1971 to Category:Philippine Military Academy alumni
- Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize alumn by the year they graduated (with rare exception) Mason (talk) 12:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Primary sources on Philippine history in the 16th century[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge. Is a non-defining 3x intersection category, and several of the documents in 16th century aren't actually from the 16th century Mason (talk) 12:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Quite interesting, actually, but Mason is right. NLeeuw (talk) 13:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Authors of Spanish ethnographic accounts of the Philippines in the 16th century[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Multiple merge this Narrow category. If not merged, it should be renamed to Spanish ethnographers of the colonial Philippines or something to that effect Mason (talk) 12:47, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, though I doubt if these articles should be in an ethnographers category. On the other hand, they may also be added to Category:Historians of the Philippines. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- O.o great find! Category:Historians of the Philippines is an excellent merge alternative. Mason (talk) 14:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:21st-century Somali-Canadian women engineers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Extremely narrow intersection, made by a user who hasn't really learned how categories work Mason (talk) 04:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the article is already in Category:Somalian emigrants to Canada. Category:21st-century Somali women engineers should be deleted too. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete's fine with me. 21st-century Somali women engineers with be empty afterwards. Mason (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:African women mathematicians[edit]
- Propose merging Category:African women mathematicians to Category:African mathematicians
- Nominator's rationale: Is underpopulated at the moment. It could be used as a container category. Mason (talk) 03:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, articles are already in a mathematicians by nationality category. It is odd to have biographies directly in a continent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:African women in engineering[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:African women in engineering (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: There's no African engineers category parent category. Delete per EGRS. I'm working on adding each person to the proper parent categories. Mason (talk) 03:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it is odd to have biographies directly in a continent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
June 15[edit]
X by ethnic or national origin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of American people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of American people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American actors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American models by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American models by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American military personnel by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American military personnel by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American film directors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American film directors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Organized crime by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Organized crime by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American musicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American musicians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American architects by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American architects by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American scientists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American scientists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American journalists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American journalists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American rappers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American rappers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American writers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American writers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American artists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American artists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American gangsters by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American gangsters by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American novelists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American novelists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American social scientists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American social scientists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American short story writers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American short story writers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American poets by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American poets by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American trade unionists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American trade unionists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American aviators by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American aviators by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Canadian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Canadian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American activists by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American activists by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American sculptors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American sculptors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American classical musicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American classical musicians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American singers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American singers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American dramatists and playwrights by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American academics by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American academics by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Brazilian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Brazilian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Hawaii people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Hawaii people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American male actors by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American male actors by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American actresses by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American actresses by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American professional wrestlers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American lawyers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American lawyers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Pakistani people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Pakistani people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:People from the Austrian Empire by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:People from the Austrian Empire by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American comedians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American comedians by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Israeli people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Israeli people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American photographers by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American photographers by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American educators by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American educators by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:Lists of Iranian people by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Lists of Iranian people by ethnicity
- Propose renaming Category:American physicians by ethnic or national origin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:American physicians by ethnicity
- Nominator's rationale: Per brevity, actual contents, and consistency with almost all of the non-US categories. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_7#Category:American_people_by_ethnic_or_national_origin. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, ethnicity is not about people's ancestors, it is about what people are themselves. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:20th century rump states[edit]
- Propose merging Category:20th century rump states to Category:Rump states
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge this isolated category. If not merged, it should be renamed to 20th-century rump states Mason (talk) 21:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The target category is not large enough to support any diffusion beyond the remaining categories by historical empire. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:21st century in Malé[edit]
- Propose merging Category:21st century in Malé to Category:History of Malé
- Propose deleting Category:Centuries in Malé
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, this is the only content in the tree of the target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Category:Centuries in Malé can also be deleted, as it will become empty. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War by state to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Connecticut (5 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Connecticut
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Delaware (1 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Delaware
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Florida (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Florida
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Georgia (U.S. state) (8 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Georgia (U.S. state)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Indiana (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Indiana
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Kentucky (8 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Kentucky
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Maine (4 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Maine
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Maryland (1 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Maryland
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Massachusetts (14 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Massachusetts
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in New Jersey (1 C, 17 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of New Jersey
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in New York (state) (1 C, 31 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of New York (state)
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in North Carolina (17 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of North Carolina
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Ohio (6 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Ohio
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Pennsylvania (13 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Pennsylvania
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Rhode Island (4 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Rhode Island
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in South Carolina (36 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of South Carolina
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Vermont (3 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Vermont
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in Virginia (1 C, 6 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of Virginia
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War in West Virginia (2 P) to Category:Battles of the American Revolutionary War and Category:Military history of West Virginia
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. NLeeuw (talk) 19:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: The state in which the battle took place is already mentioned in List of American Revolutionary War battles. If mentioning the location is even useful or necessary, this list is far better than any category scheme can do. NLeeuw (talk) 19:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- do not merge this is simply another step in the path of destroying useful category information at the US state level. US state boundaries are in no way akin to the boundary problems found in some European countries, which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization of the Battles of the War of 1812. State boundaries have not generally changed since their formation, unlike the shifting boundaries of European geographic entities. Hmains (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would respectfully request that you WP:assume good faith, and base your opposition to the proposal on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, rather than a personal POV of how things supposedly were in the past in North America compared to Europe so that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN conveniently does not apply to categories you created. I am simply applying our polices and guidelines, confirmed by consensus established in precedents, and I would urge you to do the same. Have a good day. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing about 'the past' involving the boundaries of the federal states of the United States. Unlike Europe of the past, the boundaries of these states are generally the same as when they were created over of last 200+ years. That means a battle that took place in a populated place of state x is still correctly stated as having been a battle in state x. I am not doing things in WP for my own convenience, whatever that may be. I am stating the facts. You have requested deletion of all these categories so I assume that is your intent--this does not involve 'faith' of any kind. Thanks Hmains (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and I did not mean to offend in any way if that is what happened. I am just here to edit. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Don't worry, no offence taken. I only took issue with the passage ...which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization.... This way of saying things implies that I am deliberately doing something wrong, and that what I am doing is harmful. The first bit is conduct that users should avoid: WP:Assume good faith means that we always assume that fellow editors are trying to do the right thing, even if they make mistakes. (And I do make plenty of mistakes, and I'll happily be corrected if you can point out what I should have done instead). The last bit may be your opinion, but it is rather strongly worded; it's better not to use words such as "destruction" when it comes to reorganising category trees in a way you don't like. Hopefully that clears things up?
- My intention is to upmerge rather than outright delete these categories. Even though deletion is the result, the contents of the former categories will be preserved in their parent categories, and the logbooks will note which categories were merged into which. E.g. battles in New York state will still be in Category:Military history of New York (state), where readers and editors alike can still find them. This upmerging is based on WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN, a guideline which has existed since about 2007. If you think there is something wrong with that guideline, you are free to raise the issue at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Military history. Making arguments here at CFD for why this guideline should not apply to the United States, however, is not very helpful.
- Besides, practically speaking, the main article List of American Revolutionary War battles already mentions the state in which each battle took place. This is one single page for all you want readers to know about the location of these battles, right? NLeeuw (talk) 10:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, and I did not mean to offend in any way if that is what happened. I am just here to edit. Thanks Hmains (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is nothing about 'the past' involving the boundaries of the federal states of the United States. Unlike Europe of the past, the boundaries of these states are generally the same as when they were created over of last 200+ years. That means a battle that took place in a populated place of state x is still correctly stated as having been a battle in state x. I am not doing things in WP for my own convenience, whatever that may be. I am stating the facts. You have requested deletion of all these categories so I assume that is your intent--this does not involve 'faith' of any kind. Thanks Hmains (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would respectfully request that you WP:assume good faith, and base your opposition to the proposal on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, rather than a personal POV of how things supposedly were in the past in North America compared to Europe so that WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN conveniently does not apply to categories you created. I am simply applying our polices and guidelines, confirmed by consensus established in precedents, and I would urge you to do the same. Have a good day. NLeeuw (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- do not merge this is simply another step in the path of destroying useful category information at the US state level. US state boundaries are in no way akin to the boundary problems found in some European countries, which was misused used as a precedent by this editor to destroy the state categorization of the Battles of the War of 1812. State boundaries have not generally changed since their formation, unlike the shifting boundaries of European geographic entities. Hmains (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, per guideline. In the nomination the articles are kept at a state level, there is no destroyal taking place. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the larger categories and merge the ones with very few members per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:DIFFUSE. Merging the larger categories would make the category tree less useful for readers. The nom may prefer the list to the categories, but lists and categories can coexist without conflict. - Eureka Lott 14:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- I should explain that I have only noted how many P and C there are in each of them as a secondary argument, but according to WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN (the primary argument), it doesn't matter what size the category is, as all such "battles in X" categories are considered inappropriate. (Even if we were to keep the "large" ones, which categories would you consider "large" and which ones "small"?)
- My remark that the list already mentions the locations anyway is intended to address the concern of Hmains, the creator of these categories, that valuable information or overview might be lost if the proposal receives approval, because the list covers it. Personally, I'm not sure if it is necessary to mention the locations in any list or category, but keeping them in the list while upmering the categories seems an acceptable compromise to me.
- I hope this may help to understand the rationale. NLeeuw (talk) 17:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Counterparts to the protagonist[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge, "counterpart" is a subjective characterizstion. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manual merge Mixture of several distinct concepts, some of which are covered by other subcategories of the target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manual merge per LP. It is definitely an WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 13:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Antagonists by role[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Antagonists by role to Category:Antagonists
- Nominator's rationale: Unclear why "by role" is in the name. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 13:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:United Hospitals[edit]
- Propose merging Category:United Hospitals to Category:Medical schools in London
- Nominator's rationale: These categories appear to be equivalent and "Medical schools in London" describes the contents of the categories more clearly. I have not nominated the Category:United Hospitals sports clubs subcategory as that may be the common name. TSventon (talk) 15:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but leave a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hotel Transylvania television series[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Hotel Transylvania television series (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only one article. Definitely a case of WP:OVERCAT. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:People with substance use disorder[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:People with substance use disorder (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: This category will never meet WP:BLPCAT or WP:CATDEFINE/WP:COPDEF. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, never say never, but it is very unlikely. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per the nomination. TarnishedPathtalk 05:18, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Hinglaj Mata[edit]
Propose merging Category:Hinglaj Mata to Category:Spiritual and religious images
- Nominator's rationale:
merge, the category only contains a single image.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Merge The Hinglaj Mata Temple doesn't have any scope for a topic category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Added relevant article pages to the category-the main temple and another a fort. Krayon95 (talk) 06:49, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why is Hinglajgarh related to Hinglaj Mata Temple? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- In the new situation, delete, the category contains two different sorts of buildings in entirely different places. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both places are temples of the same deity. Category could be useful for further temple articles of the deity. Krayon95 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- We already established that one article is about a fort. No objection to recreate the category when a handful of articles about Hinglay Mata temples have been written, but for the time being we even lack a stand alone Hinglaj Mata article. Also note that Hinglaj Mata Temple is already in Category:Durga temples which is properly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Both places are temples of the same deity. Category could be useful for further temple articles of the deity. Krayon95 (talk) 04:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Lists of foods by nationality[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Food does not have a nationality; only human beings do. Aldij (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Rename per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Meanwhile better targets have been proposed below, so this is outdated. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Agree with nom.--Funandtrvl (talk) 01:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment Shouldn't this be something like List of foods/dishes by cuisine? All child categories are named Fooian cuisine-related lists, while almost all articles are named List of Barian dishes/foods/drinks/desserts/ingredients. It seems like Barian is explicitly meant to include diaspora communities of Barian emigrants around the world, who have taken their Barian cuisine dishes and stuff with them. If we rename to "by country", we could be excluding diaspora communities, while "nationality" (though problematic) at least includes first-generation emigrants from Bar. I'm not sure what a better alternative would be, though. Thoughts? NLeeuw (talk) 14:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- but the category's parent is Category:Cuisine by country, and it looks like Category:Cuisine by ethnicity doesn't have any countries in it. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm yeah. I'm still missing the "cuisine" part though. Lists of foods/dishes by cuisine by country? Idk. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cuisine-related lists by country? --DB1729talk 13:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- We do not need food or dishes at all, so Cuisine-related lists by country is the better option. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Cuisine-related lists by country sounds like a good choice, since it represents what's in the category. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Won't we need Category:Cuisine-related lists, also? --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting question. I'd say, as Category:Cuisine-related lists does not exist yet, we might as well rename Category:Lists of foods by nationality to Category:Cuisine-related lists. We do not really need "by country" or "by nationality" at this point. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Won't we need Category:Cuisine-related lists, also? --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Cuisine-related lists by country sounds like a good choice, since it represents what's in the category. --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Cuisine-related lists by country? --DB1729talk 13:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm yeah. I'm still missing the "cuisine" part though. Lists of foods/dishes by cuisine by country? Idk. NLeeuw (talk) 15:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- but the category's parent is Category:Cuisine by country, and it looks like Category:Cuisine by ethnicity doesn't have any countries in it. --Funandtrvl (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- CU note - the OP is the sock of a prolific LTA. Girth Summit (blether) 11:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Given that the nominator turns to have been a sockpuppet and has now been blocked, but we seem close to an agreement, I suggest we rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists per Marcocapelle. @Funandtrvl and DB1729: would you agree? And @Marcocapelle: you might want to clarify your !vote of 16:26, 6 June 2024 (the closer might get confused whether it should be counted for original proposal Category:Lists of foods by country, or amended proposal Category:Cuisine-related lists). NLeeuw (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- agree, rename to Category:Cuisine-related lists. --Funandtrvl (talk) 02:50, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd put the renamed category as a child category of Category:Cuisine, instead of under Category:Cuisine by country. --Funandtrvl (talk) 03:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Women who experienced pregnancy loss (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete; the idea for this category clearly came from a good faith place but I don't see how helpful it is. Losing a pregnancy is a lot more common than people think, and the further back you go in history the more common it was. Its not a defining characteristic of any of these women even though it was likely a defining moment (or moments) in their lives. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. and agree with the assessment that its creation was in good faith. There might be a handful, like Catherine of Aragon, where you could make a case that it was defining, but it's a stretch. (And if anything henry the 8th's experience with pregnancy loss would probably be more defining...) Mason (talk) 21:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. An earlier discussion closed as no consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose I do not see any arguments being advanced why the earlier discussion (less than a year ago) should be disregarded, or how all the opposing arguments presented then should be ignored, or why those arguments have somehow been undermined or overturned. If you're just here to redo a discussion without bringing new policy and guideline-based reasons to do so, that is not helpful for the process. NLeeuw (talk) 18:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, I wasn't aware of the previous discussion until Marco added a link to this. But I can give you a more detailed reasoning. You can say this category can also come under WP:TRIVIALCAT since, as painful it is, it is trivial that a famous woman lost a pregnancy. It may even be WP:SUBJECTIVECAT since even an abortion can be considered pregnancy loss to some and not to others and also, to some people, giving birth to a child who died soon after birth can be too.
- Also worth noting that we now know that women aren't the only ones who can get pregnant. Non-binary people can too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:59, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, let's have a look.
- What does WP:TRIVIALCAT say? In general, if something could be easily left out of a biography, it is likely that it is a trivial characteristic. I think that depends. I know women to whom a miscarriage was traumatising and life-changing, but I also know women to whom a miscarriage was kind of okay since the pregnancy was unplanned anyway. Furthermore, I know women who consciously opted to abort their pregnancy when the circumstances were not right to complete the pregnancy, and to some of them, it wasn't a big deal, while to others it was (even though they didn't regret it, as it was the best choice in the situation). Nevertheless, pretty much all these women only disclosed their experiences to me in a private setting, with a clear understanding that I should keep it a secret from others; they wish to control which people are allowed to know it, as they consider it a private and sensitive matter, even if in the end it wasn't a big deal to some of them. I think this wish should be respected.
- For our purposes here, I think this would call for a case-by-case assessment of what impact the person in question says in WP:RS that the pregnancy loss has had on their life. We shouldn't be labelling people to whom it wasn't that important, as this could needlessly stigmatise them. Especially in WP:BLPs, as pointed out in the previous discussion, we should be very careful not to categorise such people unless they come forward with their stories and explain it was very important in their lives.
- I agree with you that the current catdesc is vague about whether it includes intentional abortions. The linked article pregnancy loss suggests it includes both intentional and unintentional cases. If that is the objection, though, the logical solution would be a split of the category rather than a deletion, wouldn't you agree?
- I agree that non-binary people can get pregnant and experience pregnancy loss as well. If that is the objection, though, the logical solution would be a renaming of the category rather than a deletion, wouldn't you agree?
- NLeeuw (talk) 09:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, respectfully I wouldn't agree with any split or rename because I also think this category is WP:NONDEF in addition to being trivial and subjective. If its worth adding, the information about pregnancy loss should be added - which is to say written into - to the article of the person. Indeed, in most cases it matters, it is gone into detail. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. That seems to suggest you no longer support deletion, does it? NLeeuw (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, where did I suggest I no longer support deletion? I very much do. I merely stated that if a person has lost a pregnancy and it is important to their lives, that information should be incorportated into their article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah sorry, then I misunderstood what you said. I guess I can understand that argument. I'll wait to see what others have to say for now. Thanks for your clarifications so far. NLeeuw (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, no worries! Thanks for hearing me out as well! :) Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ah sorry, then I misunderstood what you said. I guess I can understand that argument. I'll wait to see what others have to say for now. Thanks for your clarifications so far. NLeeuw (talk) 12:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, where did I suggest I no longer support deletion? I very much do. I merely stated that if a person has lost a pregnancy and it is important to their lives, that information should be incorportated into their article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok. That seems to suggest you no longer support deletion, does it? NLeeuw (talk) 11:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw, respectfully I wouldn't agree with any split or rename because I also think this category is WP:NONDEF in addition to being trivial and subjective. If its worth adding, the information about pregnancy loss should be added - which is to say written into - to the article of the person. Indeed, in most cases it matters, it is gone into detail. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, let's have a look.
- Delete per nom, the above, and last time. Simply not defining, plus except for a few high profile women, we usually just don't know about this aspect of lives. To judge by the category as it is, this virtually only seems to happen to European royalty and American actresses. Johnbod (talk) 15:38, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The current contents might, of course, not be representative of humanity at all. But it is a good question who should and shouldn't be in here, if we are to have this category. NLeeuw (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The question is, and would be, who we have RS information for. That will only be a very small minority of our population of 397,000 women with biographies, reinforcing how non-defining it is. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I follow why a very small number of biographies falling into the category reinforces the argument that it is non-defining? That's true for many non-controversial categories. Chocmilk03 (talk) 04:55, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The question is, and would be, who we have RS information for. That will only be a very small minority of our population of 397,000 women with biographies, reinforcing how non-defining it is. Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The current contents might, of course, not be representative of humanity at all. But it is a good question who should and shouldn't be in here, if we are to have this category. NLeeuw (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This isn't an easy question but having read through the extensive earlier discussion, I am persuaded that this category should be kept. It can be a WP:DEFINING event for some people based on reliable sources; if it isn't, then the category shouldn't be applied to the article (also bearing in mind WP:SENSITIVE). It seems to me correctly applied in the cases of (for example) Chrissy Teigen, Kathryn van Beek and Anne Boleyn. Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Chocmilk03, WP:DEFINING means characteristics that person is notable for. I think you would agree that, while these women may have lost a pregnancy, they aren't defined by them nor are their lives characterised by losing pregnancies. The only serious exception is royalty for obvious reasons.
- Again, if its defining to their lives in any way, it should be added to the person's article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: In my view, the characteristic of having lost a pregnancy can contribute to notability, and is a defining event for some people. In the same way that we have categories for year of birth, where people attended high school, Category:People with Parkinson's disease, Category:American amputees, Category:People with polydactyly, etc, categories don't have to be the main thing that the person is notable for or the defining aspect of their life in order to be defining and useful for navigational purposes. Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Chocmilk03, well you can make that argument but, at the same time, not everything is categorized. Not every medical condition is categorized, not every disability. Its why "People with infertility issues" (or something similar) is not categorized and why I feel this category should not be either. I've given my reasons for why above, not least of which is that losing pregnancy is something very common and, going back further, was a lot more common. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:27, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would also not go with the old Cfd's arguments. It really turned into a huge row which was not about debating whether the category was WP:OVERCAT or not (I think it is in many ways) but rather about people saying "what about this" and so on. I hope this Cfd will be more on actual policy than the previous one. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also please don't argue WP:OTHERCATSEXIST. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: My views are based on my own reading of the policies including WP:CATDEF, WP:TRIVIALCAT, WP:COPDEF etc, not the previous CFD arguments. In my view, this category does meet the criteria of defining for some people (even though it is unlikely to be the sole reason for notability). "A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic"; pregnancy loss meets this criteria for some people.
- I wasn't arguing that "other stuff exists"; those categories were simply examples to illustrate my point, in the same way you've used "People with infertility issues" as an example of why you feel this category should not exist.
- I've read your arguments (and those of others above) and respectfully disagree, hence my vote for 'keep'. I don't seek to persuade you of the correctness of my views, and understand you take a different view. Chocmilk03 (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also please don't argue WP:OTHERCATSEXIST. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: In my view, the characteristic of having lost a pregnancy can contribute to notability, and is a defining event for some people. In the same way that we have categories for year of birth, where people attended high school, Category:People with Parkinson's disease, Category:American amputees, Category:People with polydactyly, etc, categories don't have to be the main thing that the person is notable for or the defining aspect of their life in order to be defining and useful for navigational purposes. Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please see previous discussion, as Marcocapelle linked above.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment. I've read through the arguments in the previous discussion and what else has been written here. Fundamentally, something is defining if it's often (or could reasonably be) mentioned in the lead. For 99% of these pages, its not defining. I still think that the category should be deleted as it isn't defining. For the very few who it could be defining, they can be added to a list. At the very very very least, this category needs to be purged. Mason (talk) 22:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:18th-century Wallachian poets[edit]
- Propose merging Category:18th-century Wallachian poets to Category:18th-century Wallachian writers and Category:18th-century Romanian poets and Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets
- Propose merging Category:17th-century Wallachian poets to Category:17th-century Wallachian writers and Category:17th-century Romanian poets and Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets
- Nominator's rationale: 3x merge there are at most 6 people in this poet tree, without a real need to diffuse by century. I made a potential merge target category because Category:Wallachian poets didn't exist as a category.Mason (talk) 21:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm guessing I should create an indefinite number of articles for the Wallachian poets that are currently missing, because there being currently 6 articles is not enough (unlike the three articles in Category:Emperors of Thessalonica and the four articles in Category:Aqua (band) members, both of which are just right). I mean, what else are we to do with our time on wikipedia than to satisfy this type of requests? Dahn (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @DahnIt would be better if you started by making the main categories, not the intersections with centuries. All the categories you've listed are non-intersecting. A more apt analogy would be Category:20th-century Aqua (band) members and Category:21st-century Aqua (band) members. I've done my best to clean up the similar Wallachian categories, like the newly created Category:Military personnel of the Principality of Wallachia to house the 4 centuries of soldiers you made (e.g., Category:16th-century military personnel of the Principality of Wallachia). Mason (talk) 01:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It is significantly less of a chore to create small intersectional and valid categories than huge category trees, which can be created at any ulterior time for reuniting the smaller categories and any articles that remain loose. I would rather create "18th-century Wallachian poets" instead of "Wallachian poets" (or rather "Category:Poets from the Principality of Wallachia" -- the two nomenclatures currently compete), if the latter option has me tagging all the articles on Wallachian poets, then sorting them by retagging the same articles with the respective narrower category! It reduces my workload and it is sheer common sense. Note how, in the "military personnel" tree, you had them all fitted nicely for you to just unify the categories; but of course you didn't realize that a lot of articles on Wallachian soldiers from other centuries (say: the 15th) are now not in the category you created, and of course you didn't go searching for such examples to include in the larger category you created (you also didn't realize that the category level you created should now include other trans-chronological articles, such as Category:Spatharii of Wallachia, all of whom were a sort of military personnel). You see: that would be the sort of work required for the part of the category tree that I hadn't bothered created, and the sort of workload you're now externalizing for others. (My contributions focus mainly on content creation, with all the intricate research this requires. I find category creation necessary, but boring -- implying that I should spend my time here on creating potentially immense categories, or hunting down articles to fill out the immense categories that others create, is a bit presumptuous. Just like other requests of that nature, for instance that I should fill out more redlinks to demonstrate to my colleagues here that a category is sufficiently valid -- that "18th-century Wallachian poets" is at least as valid a category as "Aqua members".) Dahn (talk) 02:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also: Category:Moldavian and Wallachian poets is rather pointless. I had created Category:Moldavian and Wallachian chroniclers back when we didn't have a category tree for both former countries, and to address the fact that chroniclers, a sort of occupation that is entirely in the past (for a genre that ended in the early 19th-century), had a trans-border shared tradition of history-writing (and a limited number of articles to fit in there). While this shared tradition can also be argued for poets: if we already have poets in the Wallachian category, what is the exact point of creating a category (other than the already existing larger Romanian one) for "Wallachian and Moldavian poets"? Dahn (talk) 02:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I modeled the parent of Category:Moldavian and Wallachian chroniclers, because this is not my area of expertise. I'm fine with an alternative target, and would have much preferred that a parent category existed instead of having to make an educated guess. Mason (talk) 22:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- And I have to say I do not understand the logic whereby we "only" have a category for "foo fooians" if it is demonstrated that there are "enough" (a never-defined "enough") articles to populate it. Sure it would be absurd to have a category for just two articles (though, again, three is apparently enough in other cases). But a category exists not just to neatly group the articles in a shelf; it exists to facilitate navigation, to quickly allow our readers, through this unique instrument offered by our platform, to see all the connections between a set of articles. The evidently absurd example you provide with Category:20th-century Aqua (band) members (I do understand the rhetorical point, but still) shows that you simply do not regard this as an important feature, that you do not conceive of any practical situation in which a reader may need a quick navigational tool for seeing what and how many were the Wallachian poets in the 18th century (including all the utterly mediocre ones that would not be mentioned in a properly developed Literature of Romania), and that you do not see it fit to ask why me as an editor would conceive of a tool to assist such a reader. I find that a bit arresting. Dahn (talk) 02:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, but to a new Category:Poets from the Principality of Wallachia (similar to Category:Writers from the Principality of Wallachia), as well as to Category:18th-century Wallachian writers or Category:17th-century Wallachian writers respectively. The split in centuries is currently not helpful for navigation. No objection to split again after there are a lot more articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Why is it not helpful? Please elaborate on that point. Dahn (talk) 06:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- E.g. from Mihai Iștvanovici there is only one other similar article that you can directly go to, which is not very informative. By merging you can directly go to 5 other similar articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- 44 subcategories to Category:18th-century poets by nationality, yet just one gets singled out. Interesting. Also note that of those 44, fully 10 have less than 4 articles included. Biruitorul Talk 07:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the other 10 may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Biruitorul You assume that I stumbled up this category by looking at Category:18th-century poets by nationality. Mason (talk) 22:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Some of the other 10 may be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support 6 is not a lot for a category, but although there is no consensus on the mininum amount of items per category at any given time, WP:MFN (the work-in-progress guideline) recommends to merge for now if a category has fewer than 5 items. I don't feel too strongly about the need to merge these categories, but it's fine with me to do so. NLeeuw (talk) 18:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge target? (see Marcocapelle's alt proposal)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 12:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose century categories are useful and standard for poets, and the rationale invoked is vague — there is no clear consensus about how small is too small. — Biruitorul Talk 18:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Malayan law by year[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Malayan law by year to Category:Malayan law
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer, Category:Malayan law is otherwise empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of Malaysia since Independence[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename per parent Category:Contemporary history by country that I just added. Else at least change "Independence" to "independence". Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Spelling change - what might seem contemporary in some contexts may not be understood clearly as to the specific starting point is actually contemporary or not JarrahTree 08:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of Malaya[edit]
- Propose merging Category:History of Malaya to Category:Federation of Malaya
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the category seems to be about the Federation of Malaya. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Category:History of Malaya is a sebset serving as the intersection of Category:Federation of Malaya and Category:History of Peninsular Malaysia. CMD (talk) 08:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- The federation no longer exists, a separate history category does not seem to add a lot. If not merged then at least rename to Category:History of the Federation of Malaya. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - the history of Malaya/Malaysia is more complex than just merging 'Federation' JarrahTree 08:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- So what do you suggest? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of Malaysia by Federal Territory[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:History of Malaysia by Federal Territory (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Merging is not needed, the subcategory is already in Category:Histories of cities in Malaysia. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete/upmerge, little point carving out Federal territory categories from state categories. (Whether that means renaming categories like Category:Categories by state of Malaysia is another matter.) CMD (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, Category:History of Kuala Lumpur should be placed in all of the categories this cat is currently in. CMD (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cultural policy of East Germany[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Cultural policy of East Germany (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, overall poorly fitting content. One article is about a festival, the other article is about general duties of citizens. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge for now to Category:Culture of East Germany. Child Category:Cultural organisations based in East Germany (1 P) should also be upmerged to Category:Culture of East Germany. I don't think just delete is a good option here. NLeeuw (talk) 06:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, then it'll be merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:18th-century German Jewish theologians[edit]
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ambassadors of Australia to Kosovo[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Ambassadors of Australia to Kosovo (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is for people articles, not list articles. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it is not necessarily wrong to have the list in the category, but with only the list in it the category is redundant. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The ambassador of Australia to Austria is accredited to six different countries, including Kosovo. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Film posters by country[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Afghan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Albanian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:American film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Argentine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Australian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Austrian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Bangladeshi film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Brazilian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:British film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Burmese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Danish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:French film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:German film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Greek film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Icelandic film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Indonesian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Iranian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Italian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Japanese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Macedonian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Malaysian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Maldivian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Mexican film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:New Zealand film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Nigerian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Pakistani film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Peruvian film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Philippine film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Polish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Portuguese film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Singaporean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South African film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:South Korean film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Soviet film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Spanish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Sri Lankan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Swedish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Turkish film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Uruguayan film posters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The current category names are ambiguous as to whether they're, for example, posters of Swedish films or film posters from Sweden. I'd recommend renaming to "Film posters of Sweden" like the Commons categories. hinnk (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Film posters made in Sweden?
- Film posters hung in Sweden?
- Posters of films made in Sweden?
- Posters of films made by Swedish crew members or crew members from Sweden?
- Film posters that show "Sweden" (e.g. its landscapes or symbols associated with Sweden)?
- Film posters made or owned by the government of Sweden?
- Poster of films made by the government of Sweden?
- Etc.
- All of these are more or less reasonable interpretations of Film posters of Sweden. I'm glad you're trying to clarify the catnames, but I don't see it getting much clearer. NLeeuw (talk) 22:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Both en:Category:Film posters by language and commons:Category:Film posters by country already better manage this ambiguity, so it does seem like it can be clearer than it is. Even a decision not to rename but develop a consensus on what the subcategories mean and add that to Category:Film posters by language would make it clearer. I don't think being pedantic is helpful here. hinnk (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- Question I hate to be pedantic, but do you mean:
- Comment, regardless of renaming I do not think this is very ambiguous. Posters of Swedish films (i.e. in other countries than Sweden) would be a rather odd reading. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning oppose; I don't think its very ambiguous. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support matching commonscat.
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- Oppose. Commons category naming tends to have less good scrutiny than enwiki, so it lacks weight as a precedent. These poster categories should follow the parents Category:Japanese films etc. – Fayenatic London 13:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British women Marxists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:British women Marxists to Category:Women Marxists
- Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse this category by nationality? Frankly, I have my doubts that the intersection of gender and Marxism is defining. Mason (talk) 00:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, also per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Populate with other women from Category:British Marxists. If you have my doubts that the intersection of gender and Marxism is defining, why do you propose to take nationality out of the equation? If anything, you should propose to upmerge to Category:British Marxists instead. Anyway, quick scan suggests the following members to diffuse from parent Category:British Marxists:
- Beatrix Campbell
- Claire Fox
- Kathleen Gough
- Kate Hudson (activist)
- Claudia Jones
- Mary Susan McIntosh
- Sylvia Pankhurst
- Muriel Seltman
- Dona Torr
- Sibling cats suggest:
- Frances Curran
- Tamara Deutscher
- Kat Fletcher
- Betty Hamilton
- Lesley Mahmood
- Charlotte Raven
- Chanie Rosenberg
- Hannah Sell
- Kate Hoey
- Gloria De Piero
- Wendy Henry
- Joan Collins (politician)
- Jeanne Hoban
- Verity Burgmann
- Naila Kabeer
- Oona King
- Yana Mintoff
- Sheila Rowbotham
- Frances de la Tour
- Vanessa Redgrave
- Dorothy Thompson (historian)
- Leila Berg
- Marian Ramelson
- More than enough to populate this category. I might add that a lot of subcategories in this tree do not feature a single woman. Women are underrepresented as part of biographies on British Marxists, and I don't think upmerging this category is going to help address that gender gap at all. NLeeuw (talk) 18:41, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- For info, the articles are already in Category:British Marxists so that category does not need to be mentioned as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am not proposing to merge anything. I am proposing to Populate Category:British women Marxists with the articles I listed. NLeeuw (talk) 05:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- For info, the articles are already in Category:British Marxists so that category does not need to be mentioned as a merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep, but Populate per NLeeuw. There are loads of people who fit into this category. BobFromBrockley (talk) 13:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! characters[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Doki Doki Literature Club! since that category only includes these characters and the game itself. The characters are all still in that category, so there is nothing to merge here. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as creator. Admittedly entirely forgot about the parent category when creating the category, so I agree with the redundancy issue. Though I agree, I still would have appreciated it if we could have finished discussing this before nominating it for deletion. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I guess I probably should have gone a bit slower. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's fine, especially since this category is getting deleted either way. Apologies if I was a bit accusatory by accident there. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:31, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, I guess I probably should have gone a bit slower. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per it being a mistaken creation according to category creator. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 14:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as creator. Admittedly entirely forgot about the parent category when creating the category, so I agree with the redundancy issue. Though I agree, I still would have appreciated it if we could have finished discussing this before nominating it for deletion. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 14:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge, agree with redundancy, but better keep the subcat in order to keep the content in the tree of Category:Indie game characters. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Not redundant, it falls within an established category tree and has a clear purpose. I should remind people that WP:SMALLCAT no longer applies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:26, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Small cat might not apply, but neither does saying that we should keep a category just because it's "established". Mason (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the practice of grouping characters by game is a well-established one. This falls under that scheme and there is no reason to remove it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that it's redundant to the already existing DDLC category. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 02:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is not what I am saying. I am saying that the practice of grouping characters by game is a well-established one. This falls under that scheme and there is no reason to remove it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Small cat might not apply, but neither does saying that we should keep a category just because it's "established". Mason (talk) 23:54, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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- NOTE: If we are going to keep this, I would support keeping both and oppose a merge. I think this category is redundant, but I think it makes sense to have the other category even if this one exists. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Only 2 pages at present, so not useful for navigation. – Fayenatic London 13:10, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the current number of articles in the category I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the current number of articles in the category I am withdrawing my support. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. 9 pages now that I have put the communes into the category. 14 when articles are started for the capitals of the communes. And a region with over 600,000 people surely has many more settlements that deserve an article. Aymatth2 (talk) 21:44, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Communes are administrative units if I understand correctly, not populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I have reverted those additions, because the Communes of Burundi are not "populated places" which means cities/towns/villages. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- According to the wikipedia articles, each of the seven communes in Kirundo Province has a capital with the same name. The capital of the Commune of Bugabira is Bugabira. The capital of the Commune of Busoni is Busoni, and so on. Kirundo Province had a population of 628,256 as of the 2008 census. The 2018 population was estimated as 927,761, or about 130,000 per commune. Our coverage of this region is atrocious. Let's not make it even harder for editors to improve it.
- This source describes Bugabira as a small town with colonial-era architecture. Bugabira commune is divided into the collines of Kiri, Kiyonza, Gaturanda, Rubuga, Kigina, Nyakarama, Nyamabuye, Nyabikenke, Rugasa, Gitwe and Kigoma.[2] Google maps shows Gaturanda as a region south of an arm of Lake Cyohoha South with labelled villages named Gaturanda, Rugondo and Rubuga. Gaturanda village looks substantial.[3] In 2012 the Global Water Partnership Eastern Africa gathered data related to drought in Rubuga, Kigina, and Gaturanda in Bugabira commune.[4] In August 2014 six houses were burned in Bugabira commune, including five in Gaturanda and one in Kigoma.[5] In April 2016 Gaston Sindimwo, President of Burundi, visited Gaturanda, which lies on the border with Rwanda, to ask the people not to stir up problems over refugees.[6] In 2023 Bugabira municipality issued a call for tenders for extension of the Gaturanda health center.[7].
- Clearly these is enough information online to piece together sketches of the many populated places in Kirundo Province. The category structure should be ready for them. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- The category structure should be made ready after there are enough articles, not before. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. I have reverted those additions, because the Communes of Burundi are not "populated places" which means cities/towns/villages. – Fayenatic London 10:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: How many populated places are enough to justify the category for the province? Would it matter if they were all in the same commune? Aymatth2 (talk) 22:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: You may want to chime in on this. An accepted number could save a lot of time on debates over lightly-populated categories. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Aymatth2: "Five" is often mentioned at CFD as some editors' opinion of a sensible minimum. Personally, I would create a category for four. In a case like this, where additional stubs could easily be created, I would not bother nominating a category that had three members – but I would still not encourage you to create it for less than four. – Fayenatic London 08:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- That is helpful. I have pumped up Kirundo Province a bit and may start some articles on features of the province. @Marcocapelle: Any thoughts? Aymatth2 (talk) 14:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Aymatth2: "Five" is often mentioned at CFD as some editors' opinion of a sensible minimum. Personally, I would create a category for four. In a case like this, where additional stubs could easily be created, I would not bother nominating a category that had three members – but I would still not encourage you to create it for less than four. – Fayenatic London 08:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have often included Commune and town in the same article for African countries. Makes sense for places in the developing world where there may not be an abundance of sources. Though I don't think we should really have the commune and town in the same article for places which cover an area of 235 square kilometres like Bugabira. Either way, it would be silly to delete a category simply because the region is underdeveloped. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Communes are administrative units if I understand correctly, not populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- As Aymatth2 admits, even the other 5 capitals of communes in Kirundo Province do not have articles yet. For some reason a famous cat-stroking Wikipedian created 50 stubs for Populated places in Bubanza Province 16 years ago, mostly villages, then apparently petered out part-way into Buriri Province. As and when articles are created for more settlements in this province, the category may then be re-created when it becomes justifiable, but Template:Kirundo Province is sufficient and appropriate for navigational needs at the moment; I have added Vumbi into it. – Fayenatic London 12:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per Aymatth2. And populate..♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:07, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Kirundo Province has more people than Alaska, which has at least 148 populated places. If Category:Populated places in Kirundo Province is deleted, and then a new editor decides to create articles for some of the places in the province, they will likely try to recreate the category. They will see a big red warning saying the Wikipedia community has decided there should not be such a category. I would just go ahead and recreate it anyway, but a newbie may be discouraged. That is the last thing we want to happen for an area which is so poorly covered. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rock, Rock, Rock![edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Rock, Rock, Rock! (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Not a lot of opportunity for growth here. The two songs articles can be merged to Category:Songs written for films. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 21:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Sure.
- I would suggest to take out “I’m Not a Juvenile Delinquent” and “You Can’t Catch Me,” then just leave that category as it is. However, I guess deletion might be a solution for Wikipedia I guess. So fair enough. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 21:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- On a second thought, I oppose this deletion because WP:SMALLCAT is not approved and these songs were written for the movie. Therefore, leave it as it is. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 08:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep WP:SMALLCAT has been deprecated, so opportunity for future growth is no longer an accepted argument. The two songs were written for the movie, so they appear to be intrinsically related. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I think it's best for it to be deleted. It's Wikipedia, but I agree. Inajd Inajd0101 (talk) 22:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- I still don't see the need for an eponymous category for a film's music that only contains its soundtrack and two songs from it. They are already well-linked by other means, and there is no scheme for such categorization for similar films (no Category:Flashdance, no Category:The Woman in Red (1984 film), which each have articles for its soundtrack and multiple songs), only by the music of film franchises per Category:Film music by media franchise. Rock, Rock, Rock! isn't a franchise so even a move to Category:Rock, Rock, Rock! music doesn't make much sense (but that would be a better option than the current eponymous named one). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tracker musicians[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Tracker musicians to Category:Chiptune musicians
- Nominator's rationale: Tracker software is commonly used to create chiptunes, such that there is a very significant overlap between the two categories. Given the mostly overlapping and duplicative nature of the categories, a merge seems warranted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:13, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Yes, there is some overlap, but a tracker does not imply chiptune, and not all chiptunes made with a tracker. Also, "tracker" is strictly a type of music software, while "chiptune" is also considered a genre of music. If it makes sense to merge them into a single Category:Chiptune and tracker musicians, I'd be fine with that. Or maybe by platform, e.g. Nintendo musicians, Amiga musicians, etc. --Vossanova o< 01:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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June 14[edit]
Category:Jesuit musicians[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Jesuit musicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Non defining intersection between occupation and religion Mason (talk) 23:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, they wrote and sung (modern) Christian music, so it is not a trivial intersection. However, I could also imagine this category to become much broader (i.e. renamed) per the list in Contemporary Catholic liturgical music. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) franchise owners[edit]
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Parent categories use the word team, not franchise: Category:Women's Premier League (cricket) teams, Category:Women's cricket teams in India, Category:Cricket teams in India, Category:Women's cricket teams Gjs238 (talk) 12:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It should be franchise owners, as the member pagers are franchise owners rather than team owners. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cricket organizations[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Cricket organizations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Serves no purpose, as the only contents are a subcat that is in the same parent cat as the category being discussed. Gjs238 (talk) 12:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I think it is not Category:Cricket administration that should be a subcategory of Category:Cricket organizations, but rather three particular subcategories of Category:Cricket administration should be subcategories of Category:Cricket organizations. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Military operations of the War of 1812[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Military operations of the War of 1812 to Category:War of 1812
- Nominator's rationale: 2 C, 0 P. WP:NARROWCAT. Both children are already in parent trees, or not all items in them involved Canada or the UK. NLeeuw (talk) 09:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:War of 1812 on the National Register of Historic Places[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:War of 1812 on the National Register of Historic Places (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Just delete, it is already in the trees of its parents. NLeeuw (talk) 09:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. – Epicgenius (talk) 17:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Washington, D.C., in the War of 1812[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, which is already in the trees of the other parents. NLeeuw (talk) 09:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, which is already in other parent. NLeeuw (talk) 09:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Presidents General of the General Society of the War of 1812[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Target might not be viable either? NLeeuw (talk) 09:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Right, the target may be upmerged too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Canada to Category:Battles of the War of 1812
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Ontario to Category:Battles of the War of 1812 and Category:Military history of Ontario
- Propose upmerging Category:Battles of the War of 1812 in Quebec to Category:Battles of the War of 1812 and Category:Military history of Quebec
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 6#Category:Battles of the War of 1812 by state. See also recent precedents, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany. NLeeuw (talk) 09:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Rashidun governors of Ta'if (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Rashidun governors of Mosul (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Governors of Mosul
- Propose merging Category:Rashidun governors of Fars (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Governors of Fars
- Nominator's rationale: merge/delete for now, currently only 1-2 articles in each category, this is not helpful for navigation. No objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Bengali–Assamese script[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Assamese scripts (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bengali–Assamese script
- Propose renaming Category:Bengali script (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Bengali–Assamese script
- Nominator's rationale: There is a single Bengali–Assamese script shared between the two languages, even though they use different alphabets. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wrong, there are multiple scripts for both languages (note the plural "scripts"), and the Bengali–Assamese script is one of these scripts used and shared by both languages (with minor differences), but there are other scripts (like Naoriya Phulo script). Look at the category content, they clearly cannot be merged as their listed scripts are not the same. They are not all the same single script. Only the Bengali-Assamese script (just named "Bengali script" in Unicode and also named "Eastern Nagari") is unified; the other scripts are distinct. As well within the "Bengali alphabet" and "Assamese alphabet" (which are relevant parts of the shared script specific to each language) are not the same (just like there are multiple Latin-base alphabets). verdy_p (talk) 02:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are only two articles about scripts in both categories, the rest has been added as a matter of loose association. Propose to move these two articles to the two parent categories and then delete the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
June 13[edit]
Category:Military regiments raised in Nova Scotia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, no parent category:Military regiments exists. Mason (talk) 23:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but this will require purging too. For example, North Nova Scotia Highlanders is a military unit of Canada, not of Nova Scotia. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mexican engineer stubs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Mexican engineer stubs to Category:Engineer stubs and Category:Mexican scientist stubs
- Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category with no evidence of approval by Category:WikiProject Stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just anybody to create on a whim, and require a minimum of 60 articles for entry -- but even after deep-scanning the Category:Mexican people stubs parent for any missed engineers, this still only has 17 articles in it.
The stub template is fine, since it can always just sort articles into the target categories, but there would have to be at least 43 more articles before a dedicated category was warranted. Bearcat (talk) 19:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Muwahhidism[edit]
- Propose deleting
- Nominator's rationale: I propose the deletion of these categories because they make no sense. Muwahiddism isn't a separate branch (like Sunni, Shia, Ibadi, Ahmadi, Quranism), it's not a fiqh school (like Hanafi/Shafii/Maliki/Hanbali divide among Sunnis), it's not an aqeeda school (like Athari/Maturidi/Ashari divide among Sunnis or Usuli/Akhbari divide among Twelver Shia) or anything.
Anyone who considers himself a Muslim (no matter what school he follows) considers himself a muwahhid (موحِّد) which means "a monotheist" in Arabic, literally a follower of tawhid (توحيد), monotheism, the central concept of Islam. It's just a term which is more often used as a self-description by Sunni Salafis to highlight their purism in contrast to anyone else (for example, Sufis have a practice of visiting graves of their sheikhs, Salafis see this act as a departure from the concept of tawhid in Islam. Although Sufis don't consider it as a violation of tawhid, they still see themselves as muwahhideen (monotheists). But anyone who claims to follow Islam, he by definition considers himself a muwahhid regardless). That's it. It's not a separate branch of Islam. It's just a "label" or a "trademark", so to speak. These categories are excessive and absolutely uncalled for. Sorry for bad formatting, by the way (I'm editing off my phone). Fixmaster (talk) 19:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, both articles in the tree are about Salafis and already categorized as such. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Socialist film directors[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Socialist film directors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, intersection of unrelated characteristics. A few of these articles may be moved to a Category:Victims of McCarthyism, but that would be a very different discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian flour millers and merchants[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. There's no parent category, and for the most part merchants aren't defined by whether they sold flour or not. Mason (talk) 03:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep In Australia millers commonly purchase the grain, mill it, and sell the flour, adding value. So they're millers by trade, not merchants. Doug butler (talk) 03:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly rename to Category:Australian flour millers and move people to the parent categories who do not qualify as a miller. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian commercial artists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Australian commercial artists to Category:Australian artists
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining type of artist. Notably there is not a parent category of commercial artists as far as I can find. Mason (talk) 02:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Commercial artists create their art for mass duplication: advertising, souvenirs etc. Not like portraitists etc. Doug butler (talk) 03:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, it is almost impossible to differentiate notable artists by "commercial" as so many made a living out of it. If not merged, better rename it to something related to the kind of art. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian bigamists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Australian bigamists to Category:Bigamists
- Nominator's rationale: There's no need to diffuse this category by nationality. Mason (talk) 02:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge by nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian event managers[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Australian event managers to Category:Australian event planners
- Nominator's rationale: I'm on the fence about speedying this category, however, I'm not 100% sure that I've correctly mapped this category to the right parent of event planning. Mason (talk) 02:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian metal workers[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Australian metal workers to Category:Australian metalworkers
- Nominator's rationale: There are three ways this category can be handled. Either rename this to match the parent category of Metalworkers, merge to Australian metalsmiths or rename to reflect that the intent of this category Metal manufacturing companies of Australia. Mason (talk) 02:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Artesian people[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Artesian people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining for the only person in the category Maximilien Robespierre Mason (talk) 02:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Who were the Artesian people? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just for info, they are people from Artois (but I am not certain if Artesian is correct English). Marcocapelle (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Violence in the Palestinian territories[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, all four articles in the category are about events after the establishment of the State of Palestine. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @@Marcocapelle: Do you think no category is needed for the broader Palestinian territories and the events before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. Which articles are you thinking of in particular? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- No special case at the moment, but there should be cases of violence ocurring in the Palestinian territories before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point. The State of Palestine didn't exist until 1988, while Palestinian territories have existed since 1967 (or 1949), depending on definition.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ping me when you found some articles because then we do not need to merge. Until that happens the merge can go ahead, we do not keep empty categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: For the time being: 1956 Rafah massacre, Qibya massacre, and Khan Yunis massacre. --Mhhossein talk 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mhhossein and Nederlandse Leeuw: shouldn't these articles be in Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate? I don't think the concept of a unified Palestinian territories consisting of Gaza and the West Bank existed before 1967? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's a good question. I had always assumed that whatever area of the former British mandate of Palestine was not incorporated into the State of Israel after the war of 1948 was known as "Palestinian territories", but I would have to consult the historiography on this. NLeeuw (talk) 06:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Mhhossein and Nederlandse Leeuw: shouldn't these articles be in Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank Governorate? I don't think the concept of a unified Palestinian territories consisting of Gaza and the West Bank existed before 1967? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: For the time being: 1956 Rafah massacre, Qibya massacre, and Khan Yunis massacre. --Mhhossein talk 05:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ping me when you found some articles because then we do not need to merge. Until that happens the merge can go ahead, we do not keep empty categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good point. The State of Palestine didn't exist until 1988, while Palestinian territories have existed since 1967 (or 1949), depending on definition.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- No special case at the moment, but there should be cases of violence ocurring in the Palestinian territories before the state establishment? --Mhhossein talk 06:47, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly. Which articles are you thinking of in particular? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Romans from Africa[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Romans from Africa to Category:Roman-era African people
- Propose renaming Category:Ancient Romans by province to Category:Roman-era people by province
- Nominator's rationale: rename, many of these people were not Romans. Aligning this with e.g. Category:Roman-era people by ethnicity. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Question By "(Ancient) Romans", do we mean "Roman citizens", or is it just anyone who is culturally / ethnolinguistically Roman or Romanised? As far as I can tell, Category:Ancient Romans is not in the Category:People by nationality tree, but through Category:Italic peoples it is in the Category:People by ethnicity tree. Main article Roman Africans defines them as the ancient populations of Roman North Africa that had a Romanized culture, some of whom spoke their own variety of Latin as a result. If there are non-Romans in this category, that means they should either be Purged, or we should Split this category into Roman Africans and Roman-era non-Roman Africans or something. NLeeuw (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: By analogy to Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire, we could have Category:Africans in the Roman Empire, and Roman Africans and non-Roman Africans would be the two subsets of that. Basically, everyone who was an African but not a Roman could be put directly into that category, and everyone who was a "Roman African" could be put in the "Roman Africans" subcategory. NLeeuw (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire is also a good rename target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like the rename target! Mason (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Smasongarrison: at second thought the name might be confusing after all, because it seems to exclude African people from the Roman Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. I was worried about that already. This presumably isn't a problem for Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire then? The Nabataean Kingdom and Roman Judea were annexed after 27 BCE, but I'm not sure about the demographics of Coele-Syria (Roman province) (annexed in 64 BCE). Perhaps other scholars could correct me on this, but by my knowledge, Coele-Syria in the 1st century BCE was populated by a mixture of Greeks and Hellenised Aramaeans, Syriacs, and Jews / Samaritans, and Romans. I'm not sure there was a substantial population of "Arabs" there at a time (though no doubt the occasional Arabian merchant would pass through the region). If Arabs didn't form a significant population within the Roman Republic, perhaps this category doesn't have the same scope issues as our Roman-era Africans. NLeeuw (talk) 06:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nederlandse Leeuw and Smasongarrison: at second thought the name might be confusing after all, because it seems to exclude African people from the Roman Republic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- I like the rename target! Mason (talk) 22:57, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire is also a good rename target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:26, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: By analogy to Category:Arabs in the Roman Empire, we could have Category:Africans in the Roman Empire, and Roman Africans and non-Roman Africans would be the two subsets of that. Basically, everyone who was an African but not a Roman could be put directly into that category, and everyone who was a "Roman African" could be put in the "Roman Africans" subcategory. NLeeuw (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Category:Africans in the Roman Empire appears to be more problematic than I initially thought, so I stand by the original nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would there be any objection to simply rename to Category:Roman Africans per WP:C2D Roman Africans, and perhaps purge some people who weren't "Roman" enough? NLeeuw (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- How much is "enough"? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Would there be any objection to simply rename to Category:Roman Africans per WP:C2D Roman Africans, and perhaps purge some people who weren't "Roman" enough? NLeeuw (talk) 19:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian newspaper proprietors[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category. Mason (talk) 01:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Three functions: Owner, publisher and editor. Often separated, for instance politicians may be newspaper owners but not publisher or editor. Influence without responsibility. Pastoralists may inherit a loss-making paper and subsidise its continued operation. Doug butler (talk) 01:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, in many articles in both categories it is unclear whether they are about proprietors or about publishers without ownership. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Australian leather merchants[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Australian leather merchants to Category:Australian merchants
- Nominator's rationale: Do we really need to diffuse merchants by whether they sell leather? Mason (talk) 01:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Like steel merchants, corn merchants, ship merchants, drapers and stockbrokers, it's a specialized trade. Doug butler (talk) 02:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to both the proposed target and appropriate subcategories of Category:Leather manufacturers or Category:Tanners. An odd category without a nonexistent main article and no others like it. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug butler Please make sure to have non-Australian parent categories, when you create similar categories. Mason (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I try. Doug butler (talk) 04:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Doug butler Please make sure to have non-Australian parent categories, when you create similar categories. Mason (talk) 02:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Merge to Category:LaundryPizza03.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)- @Marcocapelle: Is this a mistake? What category did you intend? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:03, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
June 12[edit]
Category:Live at the Fillmore East albums[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: C2C — see subcategories in Category:Live albums by venue in the United States for similar examples. Trivialist (talk) 22:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Croat Roman Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Croat Roman Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Ethnicization of entire tree of Category:Catholic clergy of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It's a one editor's attempt to squeeze ethnic labels onto categories regarding one of the religious communities of the country. It should be checked if this issue was already dealt with once before. Note that other two communities (Orthodox and Islamic) are categorized only with their respective denomination labels not with their eventual ethnicities. ౪ Santa ౪99° 16:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Question Are these all already in Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina Roman Catholic clergy? If so, I support deletion. If not, I think upmerging is a better idea. NLeeuw (talk) 17:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I find it unhelpful that you have removed the parent categories. Now I can't easily see what the creator was trying to do, and whether it might be better to upmerge instead of delete. NLeeuw (talk) 17:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Croat Christian clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Croat Christian clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Ethnicization of entire tree of Category:Catholic clergy of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It's a one editor's attempt to squeeze ethnic labels onto categories regarding one of the religious communities of the country. It should be checked if this issue was already dealt with once before. Note that other two communities (Orthodox and Islamic) are categorized only with their respective denomination labels not with their eventual ethnicities. ౪ Santa ౪99° 16:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I find it unhelpful that you have removed the parent categories. Now I can't easily see what the creator was trying to do, and whether it might be better to upmerge instead of delete. NLeeuw (talk) 17:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Croat Greek Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Croat Greek Catholic clergy from Bosnia and Herzegovina (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Ethnicization of entire tree of Category:Catholic clergy of Bosnia and Herzegovina. It's a one editor's attempt to squeeze ethnic labels onto categories regarding one of the religious communities of the country. It should be checked if this issue was already delt with once before. Note that other two communities (Orthodox and Islamic) are categorized only with their respective denomination labels not with their eventual ethnicities. ౪ Santa ౪99° 16:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I find it unhelpful that you have removed the parent categories. Now I can't easily see what the creator was trying to do, and whether it might be better to upmerge instead of delete. NLeeuw (talk) 17:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 18:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Legendary creatures[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Legendary creatures to Category:Folklore creatures
- Nominator's rationale: merge or reverse merge, largely overlapping categories. I will tag both categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it, but all contents here seem to fall outside of the realm of serious modern biology. NLeeuw (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep At the moment, "Legendary" sits above "Folklore" and "Mythological creatures" - rather a lot of the contents of the first two should probably be moved to the last. As a matter of English meaning, I don't think "Legendary" supposes that there might be some truth to it" is at all true. "legendary" suggests to me a literary source(s) somewhere quite early on, & I think there is a distinction, if a rather vague one. Johnbod (talk) 21:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- At the moment "legendary" sits above, but the hierarchy could just as well be reversed because there isn't a clear distinction. The fact that the above two editors disagree on what Legendary means illustrates the confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep Legends are a distinct type of folklore, and place their narratives within human history. Dimadick (talk) 17:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge Per nom so that the original single category for this is restored, for the most part the contents of the category have nothing to do with being from folklore, and it's an WP:OVERLAPCAT anyway with folklore falling under the purview of legends. The article itself is Legendary creature. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948 to Category:???????
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not really sure what to do with this category name, because it isn't particularly helpful/descriptive. Is this painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948. Mason (talk) 13:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, among Category:Painters by theme this concerns an extremely narrow theme. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:35, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge to Category:Landscape painters for now, with prejudice, as "Holy Land" is a WP:POV term. If anyone wants to revive the catname in the future, it needs a compelling justification. NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep' The nomination seems confused, perhaps fatally - the category is "PRE-1948" so it is not for "painters from after 1948 who painted the "holy land" or is it painters of what the "holy land" looked like after 1948." In the 19th-century context "Holy Land" is certainly the term that would have been used by the artists and their publics, & I don't think it is POV. If people want to delete it on those grounds they should think of alternatives, as it seems a valid category. Rather than being "an extremely narrow theme", it saw a big boom in the 19th century, partly as a branch of Orientalist painting. The category misses the most famous people, at least in the Anglosphere - where are William Holman Hunt, Edward Lear, James Tissot and many others? Johnbod (talk) 15:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Orientalist painters is a good point, the articles should be added to Category:Orientalist painters if applicable and if they are not in that tree yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I see only one of the 5 described as "Orientalist" (and Marcocapelle just categorised then as such). James Tissot is indeed a name I recognise as painting events from the Hebrew Bible, though not necessarily "the Holy Land". E.g. File:Tissot The Women of Midian Led Captive by the Hebrews.jpg supposedly took place in southern Transjordan in what is now Saudi Arabia.
- Moreover, a lot of them were apparently Jewish, while "Holy Land" is a Christian term. It's really difficult to shape a category around such a vague concept with the people currently and proposed to be in there.
- I should add that "Holy Land" can be an appropriate term if the subject in question is entirely Christian, for, by and about Christians, e.g. Recovery of the Holy Land. No other phrase will describe that late medieval Christian literary genre that aptly. But for these painters...? I'm not convinced. NLeeuw (talk) 21:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's highly unclear where the events of Numbers 31 took place (if anwhere), but it seems more likely to be in modern Israel or Jordan than Saudi. In any case, Tissot spent time in Palestine to get his settings right, without I think getting as far as modern Saudi. I don't think that a century ago "Holy Land" was exclusively a Christian term - it would be rather ironic if it was. Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Arabic Wikipedia ar:الأراضي المقدسة says: The Holy Land is a term used in the Christian and Jewish religions to refer to the holy places in Palestine, especially Jerusalem , Bethlehem, and Nazareth...
- Hebrew Wikipedia he:ארץ הקודש says: Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land".[Source needed] However, the Bible refers to it explicitly as "holy land" in only one passage, the book of Zechariah, chapter 2, verse 16.
- It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice.
- At any rate, if 19th-century and early 20th-century Orientalist is our scope, why not use the term Levant instead? It fits the period well, is broader than just Palesrael, and is not as politically and religiously charged. NLeeuw (talk) 01:53, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- A fine piece of OR, & reliance on primary sources! You contradict your own research superbly there! "Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land"" and you conclude "It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice." Wonderful! "Palestine" (much less controversial in this period, & the official name for some of it) would be better than "Levant". I don't mind splitting off the 2-3 proto-Israeli figures, who I agree are rather different. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well no, I'm not claiming this is in-depth research lol. Let's try something a bit more empirical:
- Google Books search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "holy land": 2.110 results
- Google Books search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "levant": 1.950 results
- Google Scholar search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "holy land": 207 results
- Google Scholar search: landscape "orientalist paintings" "levant": 223 results
- Neither "holy land" or "levant" is particularly likely to be part of the title. Painting the Holy Land in the Nineteenth Century (1997) and Visions of the East: Influence of the Levant on the Italian Renaissance (2015) are two rare exceptions to this rule.
- David Roberts is often mentioned, but more frequently with "Palestine" than with "Holy Land". His bio David Roberts (painter) uses the term "Holy Land" no fewer than 12 times, though usually in conjuction with other 'countries' around it: his travelogue The Holy Land, Syria, Idumea, Arabia, Egypt, and Nubia comprises about half of those mentions.
- Gustav Bauernfeind (not yet in this category) is more usually associated with "Levant"; in fact, his bio has Gustav Bauernfeind#Painting the Levant, mentioning 'the Levant, the Orient, Ottoman Palestine, Jerusalem, Lebanon, Syria, the Holy Land'. Seems to me that Levant is the broadest, most encompassing and inclusive term of the two (or three if we count 'Palestine'). As it is broader, it could also include paintings of certain biblical narratives that are set in Transjordan (such as the one of Tissot referenced above), which may or may not be included under the term "Holy Land". It might be a good idea to add a catdesc that gives a description of what we mean by 'Levant', and the term 'Holy Land' does seem fitting there (amongst the other regions/countries I mention in this comment) instead of in the catname itself. Maybe that's an acceptable compromise? NLeeuw (talk) 13:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: Something like catname: Category:Orientalist painters of the Levant
- Catdesc:
- Might that work? NLeeuw (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It might (moving out the proto-Israelis), but I don't understand why people keep talking about "landscape" painters/paintings. Some, like Lear and Roberts, mostly were, but others, like Hunt and Tissot, concentrated on history paintings of Biblical narrative subjects, obviously many with landscape backgrounds. I'd still prefer Palestine to Levant. But I think it is important that we explicitly restrict the category to those who had actually spent time in the area, rather than working things up in Europe. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well because currently one of the parent categories is Category:Landscape painters. If that is incorrect, we should purge that parent. NLeeuw (talk) 10:09, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- It might (moving out the proto-Israelis), but I don't understand why people keep talking about "landscape" painters/paintings. Some, like Lear and Roberts, mostly were, but others, like Hunt and Tissot, concentrated on history paintings of Biblical narrative subjects, obviously many with landscape backgrounds. I'd still prefer Palestine to Levant. But I think it is important that we explicitly restrict the category to those who had actually spent time in the area, rather than working things up in Europe. Johnbod (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well no, I'm not claiming this is in-depth research lol. Let's try something a bit more empirical:
- A fine piece of OR, & reliance on primary sources! You contradict your own research superbly there! "Jews usually refer to the Land of Israel as the "Holy Land"" and you conclude "It doesn't seem like it is very common (at least not in the arguably main languages used by the most relevant religions and populations) to use the term "Holy Land" in Judaism or Islam. They may regard the land as sacred in some way, but calling it "Holy Land", capital H capital L, seems very much a Christian practice." Wonderful! "Palestine" (much less controversial in this period, & the official name for some of it) would be better than "Levant". I don't mind splitting off the 2-3 proto-Israeli figures, who I agree are rather different. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's highly unclear where the events of Numbers 31 took place (if anwhere), but it seems more likely to be in modern Israel or Jordan than Saudi. In any case, Tissot spent time in Palestine to get his settings right, without I think getting as far as modern Saudi. I don't think that a century ago "Holy Land" was exclusively a Christian term - it would be rather ironic if it was. Johnbod (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Johnbod's reasoning. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Painters of pre-1948 Palestine. Some artists in this period may have have called it the holy land, others will have not, but that term is certainly POV. It was historically and geographically known as Palestine pre-1948, and this is how academic literature presents it, e.g.: Imagined Homeland: landscape painting in Palestine in the 1920s Iskandar323 (talk) 04:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Palestine" could work as an alternative, certainly for the British mandate period. Johnbod also preferred Palestine over Levant. For me Rename to Category:Painters of pre-1948 Palestine is a second choice (my primary choice remains Upmerging, see above). This could work as a compromise. NLeeuw (talk) 23:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment - I am still not sure if this is about painters from "Holly Land" or painters of the "Holly Land", where the "Holly Land" is the label for a theme not a country or state, and I am reading through this discussion for the second time?--౪ Santa ౪99° 14:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Santasa99: considering the articles in this category it is certainly meant as "of", not as "from". Marcocapelle (talk) 15:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Polish social activists of the Prussian partition[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This category should either be merged or renamed to make it clearer how this is defining. Mason (talk) 01:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Polish activists in the Kingdom of Prussia for more clarity. "Polish" is meant as an ethnicity here. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: thoughts on this rename target? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 15:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- Comment This question is part of a wider issue concerning the categorisation of "Polish people" during the Partition period from 1795 to 1918. Last year I tried to address it, but no consensus emerged: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Poland/Archive 19#Categorisation of Category:Polish people of the partition period.
- In short: we'll need to choose whether we mean "Polish" as an ethnicity (as Marcocapelle suggested), or as a nationality (as Mason is indirectly suggesting, since Category:Polish activists is in the Category:Activists by nationality tree). Ethnicity is always a difficult one to establish and results in lots of sourcing problems, and it means we can't put these people in the Category:Polish people tree (because it is part of the Category:People by nationality tree). So nationality seems the best approach. For our purposes here, the Prussian partition is best understood as the Grand Duchy of Posen, though it is a little more complicated than that (I'll get back to that).
- But how do we grant a Polish "nationality" in a time when they did not have a state? My proposal was to recognise certain historic non-sovereign entities as "Polish":
- Congress Poland > Category:People from Congress Poland. This is already in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree.
- Duchy of Warsaw > Category:People from the Duchy of Warsaw. This is already in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree.
- Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria > Category:People from the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria. This is not yet in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree, perhaps also because it might also / better fit in the nationality-based Category:Ukrainian people tree. (E.g. List of people from Galicia (Eastern Europe): modern period is in Category:Lists of Ukrainian people). Neither Poland nor Ukraine can really claim the KGL exclusively for themselves as a predecessor.
- Grand Duchy of Posen > Category:People from the Grand Duchy of Posen. This is indirectly in the nationality-based Category:Polish people tree, namely through Category:People from Greater Poland > Category:People by region in Poland > Category:Polish people by location > Category:Polish people (by nationality). But technically there shouldn't be a link between Category:People by region in Poland and Category:Polish people by location, because the former is about people by place of residence or origin (birth) regardless of nationality, while the latter is about nationality + residence.
- Perhaps others? Prior to 1815 and after 1848, there was no Grand Duchy of Posen which at least nominally granted autonomy to the mostly-Polish population. But from 1792 to 1807, the four Prussian provinces New East Prussia, South Prussia, West Prussia and Netze District had no autonomy at all, and the post-1848 Province of Posen didn't either. It may be too much of a stretch to grand all inhabitants of these Prussian provinces (which we might understand as the Prussian partition) a "Polish nationality" just so that we can put them in the Category:Polish people (by nationality) tree.
- Until we resolve that question, it's probably difficult to do anything with these Polish Partition categories. We do not want to erase Polish history, but it's really challenging to categorise it either. NLeeuw (talk) 07:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be ok with Category:Activists from the Grand Duchy of Posen as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- That seems a good idea! Most of them were even born or died in the city of Posen / Poznan itself. Only the first one, Florian Ceynowa the Kashubian, seems to have spent his whole life in Eastern Pomerania, not Posen / Greater Poland. NLeeuw (talk) 21:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Activists for Palestinian solidarity[edit]
- Propose ??? Category:Activists for Palestinian solidarity (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: This is a random mix of people who aren't activists. Purge the category and leave in actual activists. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Also I'm not too sure about it but maybe rename to "Pro-Palestinian activists". Any other suggestion would be helpful; this one seems rather vague. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait for some consensus here before I proceed with the subcategories. Honestly, going through them, I don't think any of these people in any of these categories were checked to see if they actually were activists for Palestinian solidarity, particularly given a number of these aren't pro-Palestinian but rather anti-Israeli. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:33, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I would prefer keeping this category, I should add, since there is a big Palestinian movement and activists who are pro-Palestinian. I just think we should be careful who to put in. Some of these "pro-Palestinian" people aren't pro-Palestinian at all. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- I think renaming it to "Advocates for Palestinian Solidarity" would be best. NesserWiki (talk) 02:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Support doing something, but mixed on the alternative rename. I think that the "Pro-Palestinian activists" are indeed a more specific subgroup that are definitely nested within Anti-racist activists. Perhaps splitting or nesting/reorganizing to acknowledge that there are also activists for Palestinian civil rights etc. idk 🤷 It's really complicated.Mason (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, it is quite complicated, you're right. I'm not too sure about myself but, IMO and as you have said yourself, "Pro-Palestinian" is less vague and more definable than "Activists for Palestinian solidarity". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. (To be clear, I'm not opposed to the rename if that's were consensus goes. ) I've started cleaning up the ethnic/religious intersections with the group in the hope that I'll have some inspiration. Mason (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, I only just noticed this and wanted to say thank you! Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- That's a fair point. (To be clear, I'm not opposed to the rename if that's were consensus goes. ) I've started cleaning up the ethnic/religious intersections with the group in the hope that I'll have some inspiration. Mason (talk) 19:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, it is quite complicated, you're right. I'm not too sure about myself but, IMO and as you have said yourself, "Pro-Palestinian" is less vague and more definable than "Activists for Palestinian solidarity". Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:32, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Purge: a removal of articles about people who weren't activists is a no-brainer. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:18, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Great Britain[edit]
- Category:History of Great Britain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- One big problem with keeping the original intended scope is: what is Category:Kingdom of Great Britain for if not the history of the Kingdom of Great Britain? It's not as if that entity still exists. Ham II (talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like Britain in the Middle Ages and Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary. The period of the Kingdom of Great Britain - from 1707 to 1800, is not really used by historians or the public. If kept it should be more clearly named to avoid confusion with the (main) geographical meaning of Great Britain, which has clearly been taken by some adders as the intended meaning. In fact such a category might make more sense, at the top of trees with UK, English, Scottish & Welsh sub-cats. Johnbod (talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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- I'm leaning towards Option A, in order to make the scope fully about the geographical area Great Britain and not the former sovereign state the Kingdom of Great Britain. Anything about the history of the latter – Category:Politics of the Kingdom of Great Britain, probably Category:Colonial United States (British), etc. – should be at Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, currently a parent category to this one. A new header stating this might be necessary, because the distinction isn't obvious (which seems to have led to the current situation). Ham II (talk) 13:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The new header I'm proposing could be based on the existing one at Category:Great Britain. Ham II (talk) 14:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary per Johnbod and WP:ARBITRARYCAT / WP:SHAREDNAME. As Ham II pointed out, we've already got Category:Kingdom of Great Britain. I don't see the point of a separate tree for the island of Great Britain if everything is already in Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain and other subcategories and subtrees. NLeeuw (talk) 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Roman generals[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Roman generals to Category:Generals by former country
- Propose renaming Category:Roman generals by century to Category:Generals by century
- Nominator's rationale: Uphelpful bundling of Roman people. This category contains Ancient Romans and Byzantine people. Mason (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge/rename, this is redundant as we already have Category:Ancient Roman generals by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Byzantine people are Romans, just not ancient ones.★Trekker (talk) 08:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Byzantine Empire is generally considered to be an empire in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @StarTrekker, how is your opposition relevant to the nomination? We don't have any other categories that isolate Byzantine/Ancient Romans like this. There was a cfd (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_27#Category:Romans_who_received_the_grass_crown) that renamed Roman categories to Ancient Roman categories already to remove this kind of ambiguity. Mason (talk) 00:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should have. It's not accurate to consider it a separate empire, historical revisionism.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, but that's not really responsive to nom. It's not helpful to have a Category:Roman generals by century when there's not even a regular generals by century category.Mason (talk) 23:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- We should have. It's not accurate to consider it a separate empire, historical revisionism.★Trekker (talk) 07:02, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- The Byzantine Empire is generally considered to be an empire in its own right. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Defer. I think it's helpful to first await the outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 5#Category:Imperial Roman admirals (including a proposal to merge Category:Imperial Roman generals to Category:Ancient Roman generals). Until we agree that it's best to have a clean split between "Ancient Roman" on the one hand and "Byzantine" on the other, without overlapping "Roman" or "Imperial Roman" trees in between, I think we can't make a decision on whether to phase out the entire "Roman" tree. NLeeuw (talk) 17:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Byzantine people are Romans. Dimadick (talk) 17:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Galician animated films[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Galician animated films to Category:Galician-language animated films
- Nominator's rationale: In accordance with Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" are not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are two different categories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_animated_films). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Split between Category:Galician-language films and Category:Spanish-language films, dependent on the actual language of the film. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Split per Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 19:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- Keep. Strongly Opposed to renaming in accordance with my !vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. Create Category:Galician-language animated films, which is not a duplicate of this category, just like English animated films are not all English-language animated films, etc. Note to Marcocapelle and Nederlandse Leeuw: this Cfd is about ANIMATED films only. a subcategory of Cat:Galician films (and Galician animated film industry is a rather notable one).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:26, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep & oppose renaming per Mushy Yank and my own reasoning at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_3#Category:Galician_films. Most of these films are in Spanish and/or English, and renaming them will disqualify almost all of them from membership, leading to an underpopped cat that should be upmerged again. This proposal leads nowhere. (I've struck my earlier !vote as I've changed my mind). NLeeuw (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the Qarmatians[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: These battles concern a specific subgroup of Qarmatians, namely those of the Qarmatian 'republic' of Bahrayn under the al-Jannabi family. This was the main Qarmatian group, but by no means the only one, and at any rate it should be distinguished. Other "Qarmatian" battles, like the Battle of Hama (even though the Qarmatian label is debatable here), are not included. Constantine ✍ 07:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Minor question: why Bahrayn instead of Bahrain? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because that is the most common transliteration in the literature. It also does not refer to the modern state of Bahrain, but the whole region of Eastern Arabia (historical Bahrayn/Bahrain). Constantine ✍ 14:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nom just created parent Category:Qarmatian state of Bahrayn 4 minutes before proposing to rename this child category. But the grandparent is Category:Qarmatians, and the main article is Qarmatians. Google-Booksing "Qarmatian state of Bahrayn" yields only 5 results. "Bahrain" is evidently the WP:COMMONNAME, there is no apparent need for this renaming, nor for the redundant new layer Category:Qarmatian state of Bahrayn created by nom. I suggest reverting to the situation of 3 June 2024. NLeeuw (talk) 19:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nom has actually worked on this topic and may be suggesting this move because of this knowledge, not just because of a flight of fancy. Qarmatianism is a broader phenomenon than the Qarmatian state of Bahrayn, hence the two should be kept separate, with the Qarmatians remaining as the overarching parent category/article. There ideally should be a different, dedicated parent article for the state, like ru:Карматское государство, but one thing at a time. Constantine ✍ 07:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Are there "Battles involving the Qarmatians" that DON'T involve Bahrayn? Because if there aren't, I'm not sure this change is necessary. Liz Read! Talk! 17:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. Main article Qarmatians has an Infobox former country and an Infobox war faction, both of which provide exactly the same beginning and end dates of 899–1077.
- It also claims that it all started with Bahrain and ended with Bahrain (or Bahrayn if you will):
- Start: Eventually, from Qatar, he captured Bahrain's capital Hajr and al-Hasa in 899, which he made the capital of his state...
- End: According to the maritime historian Dionisius A. Agius, the Qarmatians finally disappeared in 1067, after they lost their fleet at Bahrain Island and were expelled from Hasa near the Arabian coast by the chief of Banu, Murra ibn Amir.
- 1067 may be a typo, as the rest of the article insists on 1077, referring to Overthrow of the Qarmatians, which is dated to 1058–1077.
- Finally, the example of Battle of Hama is so ambiguous as to what the "Qarmatians" have to do with it (which is discussed at length in the article itself, with good sources), that it cannot count as evidence for non-Bahraini "Qarmatians".
- In short, there seems to be no difference. NLeeuw (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- But the Battle of Hama is counted as a Qarmatian battle by primary sources, and will be found as such even in some modern literature. And no, the Qarmatians != Bahrayn, no matter what the article currently claims. Bahrayn was the only successful Qarmatian state, but Qarmatianism is broader than that, with adherents across the Middle East, of lesser prominence due to the lack of state power, but still following their own doctrines and with their own histories. Constantine ✍ 16:48, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Crime action films[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Hybrid genre term that is not in common usage (unlike lets say, action comedy or even action thriller). Searching for it on google, gives one imdb list, then several lists for one genre or the other. Per the action film article, "Action films often interface with other genres. Yvonne Tasker wrote that films are often labelled action thrillers, action-fantasy and action-adventure films with different nuances." Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I'd include the sub-categories within this general category again, but I suppose that is implied in this process. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrzejbanas: it is not implied in this process, i.e. the bot that processes deletions only does its job for categories that are properly listed and for category pages that are properly tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- What's the best approach with this to have them all tagged @Marcocapelle? Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrzejbanas: after you listed all categories here and after you tagged one subcategory (including section title) you can ask for help at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks to have the tag copied to the other subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- What's the best approach with this to have them all tagged @Marcocapelle? Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Andrzejbanas: it is not implied in this process, i.e. the bot that processes deletions only does its job for categories that are properly listed and for category pages that are properly tagged. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I'd include the sub-categories within this general category again, but I suppose that is implied in this process. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Also nominating the following:
- Category:Crime action films by century (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Crime action films by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Crime action films by decade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:1930s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:1940s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:1960s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:1970s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:1980s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:1990s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:2000s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:2010s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:2020s crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:2020 crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:2021 crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:2022 crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:2023 crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:2024 crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:American crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Bangladeshi crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:British crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Canadian crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Chinese crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Danish crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Egyptian crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Finnish crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:French crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:German crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Hong Kong crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Indian crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Italian crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Japanese crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Pakistani crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Philippine crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Russian crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:South African crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:South Korean crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Soviet crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Spanish crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Taiwanese crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Turkish crime action films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Does this do the job @Marcocapelle:? Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - large enough and common-enough to be kept. Netflix has a "Crime Action & Adventure Movies" category. Amazon has a "Best Sellers in Crime Action Fiction" category. The category structure is well-maintained & populated: ~400 pages, all of which contain
crime.action|action.crime
. Also, it sounds like nom might want to rename to "action-crime", which, if there's consensus for, would be preferable to deletion. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 12:56, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- An anonymous sorting algorithm on netflix is not really a way to seriously categorize genre, same for the Amazon section which also appears to be sorting novels, not films. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would suggest reading Action film#Hybrid genres before responding if possible. From academic points of view, categorizing genres by hybrids is not really useful on understanding what they are about and when they are applied by fans, journalists, historians etc., the terms are used vaguely and with various connotations to what the genre means. This is why having them categorized like this is not helpful. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- "
I would suggest reading Action film#Hybrid genres
": you mean the part you added 3 hours before basing this CfD off of it? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 18:20, 5 June 2024 (UTC)- This was a section added months ago, i've re-vised it on reading the source in question, which was selectively using what was sourced. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:42, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- "
- Delete all: Action films are synonymous with violence, and crime films are not complete without that. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:16, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Leaning support, I can't really imagine crime films without action. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:39, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- As said above, we don't really need a hybrid form of this per Crime action film. There is no set definition of hybrid genres and trying to view films as these hybrids is basically a fools errand. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:40, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment It is often the case that film genres are crossed over as catgeories that are not actually reflective of legitimate and verifiable sub-genres (such as "romantic comedy" or "horror comedy", for example). So is that the case here? I randomly plucked out some of the films in the category and the genre of "crime action" doesn't appear defining for any of them. The genre for Heat (1995 film) is sourced to Rotten Tomatoes which lists the genre as "crime, drama". The "crime action" genre for The Batman (film) is not supported by sources, and whilst Allmovie lists several genres (include crime and action) it does not list the sub-genre of "crime action", unlike Pretty Woman which lists Romance, Comedy and the combination "Romantic Comedy". The genre for The Girl in the Spider's Web (film) is also sourced to Allmovie (inaccurately I might add), and whilst it does not list "crime action" it does list "crime thriller". In these cases the presence of the article in the category appears to be the product of editorial synthesis, unsupported by sources i.e. it may be possible to source "action" or "crime" but "crime action" or "action crime" is not in itself sourced. Are any supporters of the category able to provide reliable source evidence for the films in this category belonging a sub-genre of "crime-action"? It may be possible to locate sources that substantiate the existence of the genre, but membership of a category also needs to satisfy WP:CATDEF too.
- Betty Logan (talk) 01:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Keep. Existing genre that deserves a category. I completely disagree with the idea that crime films should always include action! Just because a film contains a murder does not make it an action film (nor a crime action film, for that matter). See:
- https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/acref/9780199587261.001.0001/acref-9780199587261-e-0165#:~:text=An%20extremely%20wide%2Dranging%20group,central%20element%20of%20their%20plots.
- As for films defined as CA or C-A films, at random:
- https://www.michigandaily.com/arts/film/the-roundup-a-womanless-riskless-ruthless-rush/
- https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/art/2024/06/398_356945.html
- https://oxfordre.com/criminology/display/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-195 (mentioning Rush Hour as a c-a franchise), for example. A GB search shows various results for crime/action, which sometimes indicate it's a new genre: The hybrid nature – and commercial success – of the Bourne films is characteristic of a new style of crime film, the crime/action[1] but plenty with either "crime action films"(or film/movie) or "crime-action films". A note defining the genre as an hybrid could be added on the category page. (Have a look at the category in other languages).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- The term is without a doubt used in common place, but there is no solid definition for it, as the case for most hybrid genres. Why bother separating them? What does it add? Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Furthermore, I can google the term and find people using it, but reading the actual article on action films it states very clearly that these types of terms are used with different values and meaning. There is no solid definition of these hybrid genres. Your Sarah Casey sources only emphasizes that yes, hybrid genres exist, but reading the wiki article, most films past the 90s are hybrids and there is no common meaning with this. As there are none, it fails WP:CATDEF. Andrzejbanas (talk) 14:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional female entertainers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fictional female entertainers to Category:Fictional females by occupation
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT, possibly some subcategories will merit a dual merge to Category:Fictional entertainers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I do not see how WP:NARROWCAT applies here. NLeeuw (talk) 16:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep WP:NARROWCAT is irrelevant here. Dimadick (talk) 17:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge WP:NARROWCAT does apply because there are only three subcategories, and this also fails WP:OCEGRS. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional children by occupation[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fictional children by occupation to Category:Fictional children
- Nominator's rationale: Nominating this again, this time for merge. Right now it is a WP:NARROWCAT with only two subcategories. It might need to be dual merged, but either way it is clearly unnecessary with so few subcategories ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same shit before? And there were more categories in here before. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The old nomination was Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18#Category:Fictional_children_by_occupation. And now there are four subcategories. The only contents at the time of this nomination were Category:Fictional child prostitutes and Category:Fictional child soldiers; the other two, I thought we agreed to remove (alogn with two others) at the end of the last CfD. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layers with only two subcategories. I am discounting the two subcategories that were purged after the previous discussion as they do not belong here. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Invasions of the Dutch Republic[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Invasions of the Dutch Republic to Category:Invasions of former countries
- Propose upmerging Category:Invasions by the Kingdom of Prussia to Category:Invasions by former countries
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now per WP:MFN, as both cats have only 2 items, one of which doesn't apply (Johann Friedrich von Salm-Grumbach isn't an invasion but an officer who participated). Only upmerge to Category:Invasions of former countries and Category:Invasions by former countries, respectively; Prussian invasion of Holland is already in all other parents. NLeeuw (talk) 09:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- I removed Johann Friedrich von Salm-Grumbach from the categories. Merge in principle, but the target categories sound a bit like they should be container categories. Merging to Category:Invasions could also be an option. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- They do sound a bit like containercats, but if we treat them like that, it forces us to either upmerge articles, or diffuse articles and create small cats, for which we would need to upmerge them again, but two levels. Hence a bit of pragmatism seems called for until we've got more options. NLeeuw (talk) 06:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Invasions of the Republic of Genoa[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. Dual upmerge for now per WP:MFN. Category:Invasions of Italy does not apply, since Italy as a state did not exist at the time, and Corsica is not part of Italy today. NLeeuw (talk) 09:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Wars involving the Republic of Genoa and possibly Category:Invasions of former countries, see my comments in the above discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pretenders to the Albanian throne[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Pretenders to the Albanian throne (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OR WP:NPOV. Follow-up to deletion of Line of succession to the former Albanian throne, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the former Albanian throne. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Mexico, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Parma, and User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Pretenders#NLeeuw category list. NLeeuw (talk) 08:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TompaDompa, Agricolae, Balle010, Oleryhlolsson, JoelleJay, Smeat75, Johnpacklambert, Devokewater, and Hut 8.5: courtesy ping to participants in previous discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the former Albanian throne for follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 08:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pretenders to the Mexican throne[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Pretenders to the Mexican throne (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OR WP:NPOV WP:BLP (Maximilian von Götzen-Iturbide states: Götzen does not pursue any claim to the throne...Despite Götzen not actively pursuing any claim himself, social media users claiming to be Mexican monarchists have posted their support of his claim., therefore also WP:NONDEFINING). Follow-up to recent deletion of main article Pretenders to the Mexican throne, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pretenders to the throne of Mexico. See also User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Pretenders#NLeeuw category list.
- Some deceased people in this category also appear to be inappropriately labelled pretenders:
- Agustín de Iturbide y Green: When he came of age, Iturbide, who had graduated from Georgetown University, renounced his claim to the throne and title and returned to Mexico. So as soon as he was legally capable, he renounced his claim.
- María Josepha Sophia de Iturbide: [She inhered] the Habsburg claim on the throne. Maria Josepha was a very traditional Lady, and a devout Roman Catholic, and stayed as far away from politics as she could. Doesn't seem to have actively pursued her claim either; seems more like other people expect(ed) her to pursue it for purely genealogical reasons (but WP:NOTGENEALOGY).
- Carlos Felipe de Habsburgo isn't even in this category, but still included in Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne (apparently also only purely for genealogical reasons), so I think I'm gonna nominate that for deletion as well. NLeeuw (talk) 07:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- FYI Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 June 12#Template:Pretenders to the Mexican throne has also been nominated for deletion. NLeeuw (talk) 07:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Whitewashing in film[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Whitewashing in film (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Populated by tangentially related films and not articles from the main topic. Gotitbro (talk) 06:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: as I am not sure what you mean by “tangential” as all of the categorised films has an element of whitewashing that is discussed in Whitewashing in film article or mentioned in the film page itself using reliable sources. Take the film Khartoum (film), with blackface white actors which is discussed in the “Reception” section. It does not get more direct than that.
- FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps should have worded that nomination better. What I meant was with categories such as these, the expectation is that there will be articles dedicated to the topic not articles mostly about films which only contain an element of the said cat.
- I am coming at this from a recent discussion about a similar topic: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 3#Subcategories of Category:Film controversies by country. Gotitbro (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- but that is not the policy you have cited and the example you have cited is irrelevant as I said, these instances of whitewashing are discussed using reliable sources.
- This is more like your personal preference and expectations which is not supported by policies. A Cat need to be a characteristic of the subject as described in reliable sources see WP:CATDEF. FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Nothing tangential about this, this is a major topic of discussion in available sources. Dimadick (talk) 17:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, rename to Category:Films about whitewashing in order to ensure that articles are only placed in here if the topic is a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- It’s not about whitewashing. It’s about films where whitewashing occurred. These are two different things. FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- If it is not about whitewashing the article should be purged per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Discussed above with examples. To reiterate, It’s a defining characteristic. Start with Whitewashing in film, the image at the beginning should be enough to define which films are defined from reliable sources as “whitewashed” films. Or read The Guardian article about Whitewashing in Ghost in the Shell. more Here is some articles from The Guardian, Rutger University, The Independent, etc FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- If it is not about whitewashing the article should be purged per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- It’s not about whitewashing. It’s about films where whitewashing occurred. These are two different things. FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle, are you suggesting a category that would include only documentaries on the topic of whitewashing? Dimadick (talk) 14:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Exactly. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional millers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fictional millers to Category:Works about agriculture
- Nominator's rationale: Does not actually contain fictional millers, just works. Basically WP:SHAREDNAME. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - per rationale. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Works about millers. Shared name is frankly irrelevant here. They share a topic, not a name. Dimadick (talk) 17:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per Dimadick. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional cafeteria workers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: This is a rather small and narrow category with no real-life equivalent. We don't need a hyperspecific category for literally every job. Edit: Actually it should probably just be deleted, when you remove Chef from South Park, who is already under "Fictional chefs", there is nothing pertinent here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - as Chef (South Park) is already in a reasonable subcat for the merge target. All that remains after that is a redirect and an article that should not be on the category tree. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional extraterrestrial royalty[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Fictional extraterrestrial royalty to Category:Fictional royalty
- Propose merging Category:Fictional extraterrestrial princesses to Category:Fictional princesses
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT made by blocked user. The "princesses" category should also be dual merged to Category:Fictional extraterrestrial characters. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge This was last nominated in Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2022_September_16#Category:Fictional_extraterrestrial_royalty. I no longer agree with my old rationale, because while there is room for expansion using existing articles, there is nothing to justify separating aliens from fantasy-world inhabitants, or even from the royals of fictional countries on Earth.
- There is no need to merge Category:Fictional extraterrestrial royalty to Category:Fictional royalty because the only contents are a redirect; Category:Fictional extraterrestrial princesses, which is also in this CfD; and Category:Galactic emperors, which is already in a different subcategory of the target. I don't think the Galactic emperors is in another subcategory of Category:Fictional extraterrestrial characters, so we can merge there. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:02, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't it be a dual merge, also to Category:Fictional extraterrestrial characters? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Of course. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 11:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mythological male/female royalty[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Mythological male royalty to Category:Mythological royalty
- Propose merging Category:Mythological female royalty to Category:Mythological royalty
- Nominator's rationale: Yet another WP:NARROWCAT pointless category. This is such a narrow intersection (mythical + gender + royalty) that a category is not necessary. I don't believe it should be merged to "fictional" as myth and fiction are separate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Dual upmerge nominee 1 to Category:Mythological royalty and Category:Fictional male royalty.
- Triple upmerge nominee 2 to Category:Fictional female royalty, Category:Mythological royalty, and Category:Women in mythology.
- Nom is right that having categories with just 2 subcategories isn't very useful for navigation, but we should upmerge to all parents. NLeeuw (talk) 06:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated. Concur with nominator about the distinction between mythology and fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms economists[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms economists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, despite what the article says this is not about an economist. It is more like a minister of finance, so the article is alright in Category:Later Tang government officials. If not deleted, then merge to Category:Chinese economists. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Later Han (Five Dynasties) Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Han (Five Dynasties) Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Jin (Five Dynasties) Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Jin (Five Dynasties) Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Later Zhou Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Later Zhou Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) Buddhist monks (2 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Min (Ten Kingdoms) Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Wuyue Buddhist monks (2 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Wuyue Buddhists
- Propose merging Category:Yan (Five Dynasties period) Buddhist monks (1 P) to Category:Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms Buddhist monks and Category:Yan (Five Dynasties period) Buddhists
- Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:NARROWCAT, very detailed categorization by religion, occupation, and parallel kingdoms/dynasties in a relatively short period. The Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms lasted from 907 to 960. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge all per nom for now without prejudice. Glad my suggestion some time ago is taken up. NLeeuw (talk) 09:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Socialists by occupation[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Socialists by occupation to Category:Socialists
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure how helpful it is to have a socialists by occupation category. Mason (talk) 04:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layer with only three subcategories. I also wonder whether we should keep two of the three subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional chimney sweepers[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Most articles in here are works of media, which don't belong here anyway, while the one character that does can be merged to Category:Fictional domestic workers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and recategorize per nom. The category does not contain what it says to contain. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century Tasmanian architects[edit]
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:History of Lithuania (1569–1795)[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories cover nearly the same period. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 19:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - early modern age in Lithuania according to my knowledge starts a century before 1569 (if we take 1453 as the starting year of early modern age). Seems a bit much to make out those to be identical.--+JMJ+ (talk) 22:58, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Around 1500 is most often mentioned as the start of the early modern age and articles about the period between 1500 and 1569 can still be put in the early modern category. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:54, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)- Agree with Marco. "1453" is a bit arbitrary, as it takes the fall of Constantinople as the measure of world history, instead of a rather minor event that was bound to happen to a Byzantine Empire in terminal decay for centuries. "1500" may also be arbitrary as a random round number, but at least it does not assign an arbitrary value of significance to any event, and it has been a commonly used convention in historiography. For Lithuania, of course, 1569 is much more significant, but given that we've already got 2 categories and it doesn't make sense to create separate categories for 1500 to 1568, and 1796 to 1799. NLeeuw (talk) 06:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:PAW Patrol (franchise)[edit]
- Propose merging Category:PAW Patrol (franchise) to Category:PAW Patrol
- Nominator's rationale: Uncategorized duplicate category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The TV series (currently at Category:PAW Patrol), and the franchise are not the same thing. See also Talk:PAW_Patrol#Split_and_move_proposal. Gonnym (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge both into Category:PAW Patrol - This situation reminds me of similar franchises like Category:SpongeBob SquarePants and Category:Avatar: The Last Airbender. This way, there is also reasonably enough articles for a category. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will note that Category:PAW Patrol is the originally-proposed merge target.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge, too little content for two categories. Technical note, if it is going to be a downmerge then parent categories have to be added to the target manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge both into Category:PAW Patrol - splitting hairs, no need for this. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 01:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Members of the League of Women Voters[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Members of the League of Women Voters to Category:American suffragists
- Nominator's rationale: Simple membership in the League of Women Voters is non-defining. User:Namiba 15:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Many siblings contain (just) activists, which is much more defining than membership. We might rename and purge this one as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on renaming and purging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose given that both nominee and target are very large categories, and no navigational value seems to be served by throwing them together. NLeeuw (talk) 19:35, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Coke Studio (franchise)[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Coke Studio (franchise) to Category:Coke Studio
- Nominator's rationale: Probably unnecessary disambiguation. This is missing a parent article about the franchise as a whole, or the original Brazilian series. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Category:Coke Studio (the proposed rename target) exists. Do you mean merge? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, please merge. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Category:Coke Studio (the proposed rename target) exists. Do you mean merge? HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 01:44, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge, it is unclear why these two categories exist next to each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Character songs[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Character songs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Category hardly has any entries, with Megalovania being more of a theme song than "sung by the voice actor", of which there is none. The current category members could be merged to parent categories if they aren't in them already. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, only one of the two non-main articles is about something that actually belongs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
June 11[edit]
Category:Cute 'em ups by series[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Cute 'em ups by series to Category:Cute 'em ups
- Nominator's rationale: It only has 2 subcategories WP:SMALLCAT. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 23:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, WP:SMALLCAT is no longer active, but still this is a redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Kurdish physicists[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Kurdish physicists to Category:Kurdish scientists
- Propose merging Category:Kurdish microbiologists to Category:Kurdish scientists
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Narrow intersection for small category, which isn't helpful for navigation. There's not even a Kurdish biologist category, so why would we need a subfield? Mason (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge also per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Jeremy Jordan (singer) albums[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Jeremy Jordan (singer) albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Currently a redirect to Category:Jeremy Jordan (singer, born 1973) albums. Goes against the disambiguation scheme seen at Jeremy Jordan/Jeremy Jordan (singer). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Medieval Kurdish philosophers[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Medieval Kurdish philosophers to Category:Kurdish philosophers
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's no need to diffuse the Kurdish philosophy category by period. There are only 9 people in the entire tree (at the time of nomination). Mason (talk) 23:08, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, also per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Middle Ages by country[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Afghanistan
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Albania
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Algeria
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Anatolia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Armenia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Austria
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Azerbaijan
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Bahrain
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Belarus
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Belgium
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Bulgaria
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Croatia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Cyprus
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Czech history
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Denmark
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Egypt
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval England
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Estonia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Ethiopia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval France
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Georgia (country)
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Germany
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Great Britain
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Greece
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Holy Roman Empire
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Hungary
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Iceland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval India
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Iraq
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Ireland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Italy
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Jordan
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Kazakhstan
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Latvia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Lebanon
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Libya
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Lithuania
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Luxembourg
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Low Countries
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Montenegro
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Morocco
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Nepal
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Netherlands
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Norway
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Palestine
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Iran
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Poland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Portugal
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Romania
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Russia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Scandinavia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Scotland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Serbia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Slovakia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Slovenia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Somalia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Spain
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Sweden
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Switzerland
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Syria
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Thailand
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Tunisia
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Ukraine
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Wales
- Nominator's rationale: rename. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 25#Early modern period, where we decided to rename all categories to Early modern history of Fooland. Renaming could avoid a lot of anachronisms about modern countries that did not yet exist as such, or not with their modern-day borders, or at least not under their modern names, in the Middle Ages. It's also a lot like how we are currently reframing battles in (former country/region) to military history of (current country/region). There may also be a need to harmonise the categories further according to either one of the following options:
- Medieval history of Fooland per precedent Early modern history of Fooland, and indirectly the Military history of Fooland precedents – a WP:C2C argument. It has a few main articles as well, such as Medieval history of Nepal, or the variation History of medieval Tunisia, History of medieval Cumbria, or Political history of medieval Karnataka. But other than that, it has no strong basis in the article space.
- Fooland in the Middle Ages per a lot of main articles, including some directly in this category: Cyprus in the Middle Ages, England in the Middle Ages, Ethiopia in the Middle Ages, Scotland in the Middle Ages, Wales in the Middle Ages, Netherlands in the Early Middle Ages etc. – a WP:C2D argument. (Sidenote: Middle Ages in Fooland is a rare variation of this, apparently only followed by Early Middle Ages in Azerbaijan and High Middle Ages in Azerbaijan; these should probably be renamed per WP:TITLECON, as Azerbaijan in antiquity already is). It strikes me that most of these ...in the Middle Ages articles are about the British Isles or about other islands or peninsulas that are geographically relatively distinct and well-defined, as opposed to landlocked countries without clear geological and geographical boundaries, which always risks confusion and disagreement, so this formula might not work everywhere. It will not be consistent with our recent renaming of Early modern history of Fooland either, and we might have to revisit it.
- Medieval Fooland: one option is to keep the current category names, but seek to change the main article titles instead, per a small minority of main articles, such as Medieval India, Medieval Croatia, Medieval Armenia, Medieval Jerusalem, Medieval Corsica, and some derivatives like Norman and medieval London or Europeans in Medieval China, Slavery in medieval Europe. This would save us a lot of trouble renaming categories, it just adds to our trouble of renaming articles, which is a different projectspace. And although it is more concise, this option does not have my preference, because it makes the anachronism problem much worse. It will not be consistent with our recent renaming of Early modern history of Fooland either, and we might have to revisit it. But for the sake of completeness, I do offer it for your consideration.
- Other options???
- I will add targets to the nomination when the preferred target name becomes a bit more clear in the discussion. NLeeuw (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Courtesy ping to participants of previous discussion: @Marcocapelle, Smasongarrison, Ham II, Omnis Scientia, and HouseBlaster: for your consideration. NLeeuw (talk) 19:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for this big nomination and elaborate rationale. Option 3 is clearly a no-go for reasons already outlined. Initially I thought I'd have a clear preference for option 1 but at second thought I no longer see a good reason why, they each have their own pros. So either option 1 or 2. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome, and thank you for paving the way with the early modern period precedent, as well as voicing your support earlier today when I asked your advice. I also thought this was gonna be a lot easier beforehand, but there is a substantial number of Fooland in the Middle Ages articles that gave me pause. In the end, the article space should always be prioritised over the category space, and WP:C2D will almost always be a stronger argument than WP:C2C. So I've currently got a slight preference for option 2 over option 1, but it's close. I hope others can persuade us to a better perspective. NLeeuw (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: One reason why the ...in the Middle Ages might be so popular, whereas ...in the early modern period is essentially unheard of, might be because we often speak and think of the Middle Ages as a "place" rather than a time. Say "Middle Ages" or "medieval", and someone else may soon imagine castles and catapults, convents and chronicles, commerce and crusaders. But if someone says "early modern", I struggle a lot more to paint a picture for myself of what that time looked like, and to imagine it as a "place" where people walked around. Strange thing how that works linguistically. Not sure if I'm the only one? But that might help to explain why these articles and categories are titled so differently. NLeeuw (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm no other input? I guess we'll have to wait for relisting or I'll have to start tagging pages... At the moment, option 2 seems most promising due to its strong basis in the article space. Many could be C2D'd if we wanted to. The other articles could be BOLDly moved per TITLECON... But I prefer to have a discussion, as we still to justify ignoring the early modern history of Fooland precedent which Marcocapelle set. NLeeuw (talk) 23:05, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- PS: One reason why the ...in the Middle Ages might be so popular, whereas ...in the early modern period is essentially unheard of, might be because we often speak and think of the Middle Ages as a "place" rather than a time. Say "Middle Ages" or "medieval", and someone else may soon imagine castles and catapults, convents and chronicles, commerce and crusaders. But if someone says "early modern", I struggle a lot more to paint a picture for myself of what that time looked like, and to imagine it as a "place" where people walked around. Strange thing how that works linguistically. Not sure if I'm the only one? But that might help to explain why these articles and categories are titled so differently. NLeeuw (talk) 23:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome, and thank you for paving the way with the early modern period precedent, as well as voicing your support earlier today when I asked your advice. I also thought this was gonna be a lot easier beforehand, but there is a substantial number of Fooland in the Middle Ages articles that gave me pause. In the end, the article space should always be prioritised over the category space, and WP:C2D will almost always be a stronger argument than WP:C2C. So I've currently got a slight preference for option 2 over option 1, but it's close. I hope others can persuade us to a better perspective. NLeeuw (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: rename and purge, this is follow-up on many earlier renames, and there is e.g. parent Category:Early Germanic warfare. Ancient Germanic peoples is a commonly used grouping in the Roman era but not so much in the middle ages. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and purge per nom and precedents. This is a good idea, as I also outlined in those precedents, and earlier today about Category:Battles involving ancient peoples. NLeeuw (talk) 18:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former synagogues Nebraska[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Former synagogues Nebraska to Category:Former synagogues in Nebraska
- Nominator's rationale: Category should be renamed to match others in Category:Former synagogues in the United States by state Pretzelles (talk) 18:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename WP:C2C. NLeeuw (talk) 20:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per both C2A and C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- ’’’support rename’’’ —-W2024 (talk) 16:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Former synagogues Wisconsin[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Former synagogues Wisconsin to Category:Former synagogues in Wisconsin
- Nominator's rationale: Category should be renamed to match others in Category:Former synagogues in the United States by state Pretzelles (talk) 18:31, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename WP:C2C. NLeeuw (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per WP:C2C Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per both C2A and C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy rename WP:C2C. NLeeuw (talk) 20:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- ‘’’support rename’’’ —-W2024 (talk) 16:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bond (string quartet)[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Bond (string quartet) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: With subcategories only for the quartet's albums and their covers, the eponymous category is unnecessary per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving the Nizari Ismaili state[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. WP:MFN. Can't find other battles, so merging to wars seems the best option. NLeeuw (talk) 15:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, the latter because the article seems to imply that the Nizari Ismaili state was not really involved. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Central March[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Central March (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. Just delete, not useful for navigation. Main article Central March is already in both parents, and the only article Wadih al-Siqlabi is a biography that fits neither parent. NLeeuw (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. In addition, governor of the Central March seems to be a relatively minor position, not contributing much to the notability of the subject of the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Vassal rulers of the Umayyad Caliphate (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: 2 P. WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Just delete. Whether someone was a "vassal" or not can be quite arbitrary, and neither of the parent cats really applies: these princes of Armenia were not "people from the Umayyad Caliphate" or part of its government. At most, they were part of its foreign relations. As the catdesc indicates, these were not 'caliphal-appointed governors', and therefore not part of the internal governance. NLeeuw (talk) 15:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. Vassal rulers are easily distinguished by the fact that they bore princely rather than gubernatorial titles and were usually hereditary and at least somewhat autonomous. They are also clearly designated as such by modern scholarship. Armenia was very much part of the Umayyad Caliphate, just as much as the Khanate of Khiva was of the Russian Empire or the various Indian princes were of the British Raj. Constantine ✍ 16:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, princes aren't necessarily vassals and it is not very clear from these articles that the subjects were in fact vassals. The articles are already in appropriate Armenian and monarchs categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Ayyubid Sultanate[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Government of the Ayyubid Sultanate to Category:Ayyubid Sultanate; purging child cats
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Both child cats area already in Category:People from the Ayyubid Sultanate, and both articles could easily be put in parent Category:Ayyubid Sultanate (5 P, 2 of which are redirects). NLeeuw (talk) 15:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The category is part of a wider category family on governments of historical states. What exactly is the gain of deleting it and upmerging, that is enough to counterbalance the loss in categorization? There are likely even more articles already on WP that can be added there, and certainly still more that can be written, as the topic is under-represented. Constantine ✍ 16:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The two articles aren't really about government of the Ayyubid Sultanate, they are about the outskirts of it. If anything, they are about social geography rather than about government, but having them simply in the main category is even better. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Samanid Empire[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Government of the Samanid Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 1 C. Just delete as a redundant layer, while manually moving Ispahsalar (only article) to Category:Samanid Empire; only child is already in Category:People from the Samanid Empire. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, possibly move the article to Category:Samanid Empire but that is not even very necessary because the article is not specifically about the Samanid Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of Venice to the Kingdom of Sardinia[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. WP:MFN. There are many, many underpopulated (1 to 4 P) ambassador cats like this created in February–May 2024 by the same person. Others were created longer ago. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. The category is not arbitrary and has clearly room of expansion, as the Republic of Venice and the Kingdom of Sardinia overlapped by several centuries. If the category exists, articles will be added to it. If it is deleted, they won't; not many WP members are actively engaged in categorization. If a reader, like myself, is interested in the bilateral relations between Venice and specific other states, why should they go hunting in more generic categories? This equally applies to the other 'underpopulated categories' mentioned in the nomination. I really don't understand what the project gains from deletions like this. Constantine ✍ 16:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, per nom. One may be interested in this intersection, sure, but if there aren't any other articles then the most closely related articles are in the more general categories and merging helps navigation to them. Of course, no objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. There categories are indeed extremely underpopulated, and often isolated from where readers expect to see them (somewhere in the modern country category typically). Mason (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:SaarLorLux Open[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:SaarLorLux Open to Category:Hylo Open
- Nominator's rationale: Per the current article name Solidest (talk) 14:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, rename. --Florentyna (talk) 14:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Almohad Caliphate[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Government of the Almohad Caliphate to Category:People from the Almohad Caliphate
- Propose upmerging Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate to Category:People from the Almohad Caliphate
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layers. Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate is already in the target category, and Category:Almohad caliphs should also be, but isn't yet. Category:Governors of the Almohad Caliphate is the only subcat of Category:Officials of the Almohad Caliphate, and apart from Ibn Tufayl, it has no contents, so "Officials" is also a redundant layer. (I was able to populate Category:Governors of the Almohad Caliphate from 2 to 6 p, so no reason to upmerge that one yet). Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 14:33, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. There isn't any topic article about government and biography subcats are perfectly fine under people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Category:12th-century Almohad caliphs (4 P) and Category:13th-century Almohad caliphs (10 P) are probably best upmerged to Category:Almohad caliphs, and to Category:12th-century caliphs + Category:12th-century monarchs in Africa & Category:13th-century caliphs + Category:13th-century monarchs in Africa, respectively. A subdivision by century for a dynasty that lasted just under one century and a half tends not to aid navigation very much. But I suggest that for a follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 14:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Agree. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Government of the Khwarazmian Empire[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Government of the Khwarazmian Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Just delete as a redundant layer; only child is already in Category:People from the Khwarazmian Empire. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2#Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire (also Timurid, Ghaznavid, Aq Qoyunlu govts). NLeeuw (talk) 13:59, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
MergeDelete per nom. There isn't any topic article about government and the biography subcat is perfectly fine under people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:People by ethnic descent[edit]
- Propose merging Category:People of African descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of Asian descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of European descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of North American descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of Oceanian descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Propose merging Category:People of South American descent by ethnicity to Category:People by ethnic descent
- Nominator's rationale: These categories are for people of different ethnic descents. There is nothing here specific to any particular continent. Additionally, the names might wrongly imply that this is the person's own ethnicity when, in reality, it refers to their ancestors' ethnicity. Aldij (talk) 12:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 14:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Aldij: this merge would remove the content from Category:People of African descent, etc., is that intentional? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the categories are already included through the nationality descent category. However, I agree to the duplicate merge as well. Aldij (talk) 07:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Ok so that part of the merge needs to happen manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the categories are already included through the nationality descent category. However, I agree to the duplicate merge as well. Aldij (talk) 07:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Auto racing teams[edit]
- Propose renaming Category:Auto racing teams in Argentina to Category:Argentine auto racing teams
- Nominator's rationale: Most of these categories were speedily renamed to their current names from the proposed names in May 2023. Discussions at the Formula One WikiProject and the Motorsport WikiProject resolved that these speedy renames should be reversed because, unlike many other sporting teams, auto racing teams may compete all over the world and their national identity is defined by their racing licence and is not necessarily related to the location of their base of operations. Consider the current Formula One World Champions: Red Bull Racing - they are universally recognised as an Austrian team (they use an Austrian racing licence and when they win a race, the Austrian national anthem is played) but their base of operations is in England. The category rename in May 2023 moved the article from the accurate Category:Austrian auto racing teams to the inaccurate Category:Auto racing teams in Austria. DH85868993 (talk) 11:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: delete or merge, poorly populated stub category and we do not have any similar Pakistani province stub categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ancient tribes in Ukraine[edit]
- Propose upmerging Category:Ancient tribes in Ukraine to Category:Ancient peoples of Ukraine
- Nominator's rationale: 2 P, 0 C. WP:MFN Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 06:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the articles are already in Category:Sarmatian tribes. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Gilgit-Baltistan history stubs[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Gilgit-Baltistan history stubs to Category:Pakistani history stubs (and perhaps also to Category:Gilgit-Baltistan stubs)
- Propose merging Category:Sindh history stubs to Category:Pakistani history stubs
- Nominator's rationale: merge, poorly populated stub categories and we usually do not have stub history categories by Pakistani province. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Events at the Amway Center[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:Events at the Amway Center (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: I don't believe Wikipedia categorizes events by venue? Gjs238 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Wikipedia does, in fact, categorize events by venue. Abhiramakella (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abhiramakella: Category:Events by venue does not exist, so you need to be a bit more specific about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, there is Category:Events at Allstate Arena. Abhiramakella (talk) 18:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Abhiramakella: Category:Events by venue does not exist, so you need to be a bit more specific about it. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Wikipedia does, in fact, categorize events by venue. Abhiramakella (talk) 08:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Abhiramakella: this tree does not go any further than Category:Events in Illinois by venue and is the work of a single editor. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per WP:TRIVIALCAT and in the spirit of WP:OCLOCATION, this category combines completely unrelated events. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, per Marcocapelle. Gjs238 (talk) 12:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Galician films[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Galician films to Category:Galician-language films
- Nominator's rationale: Appears to be redundant? Gjs238 (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" is not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are several different categories (Category:Irish films by language). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Absolutely. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- "Irish films" is not the same as "Irish (or Gaelic) language films" and that's why there are several different categories (Category:Irish films by language). For the same reason, "Galician films" (or "Galician animated films") are not the same as "Galician language films". Gasparoff (talk) 08:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, articles are already in Category:Galician-language films if applicable, but it is not always applicable. Some of these films are Spanish-speaking. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Weak delete insofar there seems to be no intent to connect category to cogent production criteria pertaining the Galician regional film industry (possibly not easy for most Wikipedia users to crack at the subnational level anyways), but to a moot "Galician context", category is not really useful pursuant to the current existence of Category:Galician-language films and Category:Films set in Galicia (Spain).--Asqueladd (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose. Take Midsummer Dream it's a Galician film in English and Spanish (not to mention the fact that some films in Galician are not Galician films, just like many films in English are not English films or films in Tamil are not all made in Tamil Nadu). See Category:Catalan films, a very similar category, that exists and does not only contain films in Catalan. (But the category needs cleanup).-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Mushy Yank: per WP:OTHERSTUFF, Category:Catalan films should also be deleted because Category:Catalan-language films already exists. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- No. (and my !vote has nothing to do with the WP:ATA you mention, btw). -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Mushy Yank. Only 4 out of 12 films in this category are only in Galician, or in both Galician and Spanish, according to their infoboxes: The Apostle (2012 film), Fire Will Come, Matria, The Rye Horn. The rest seem to be films "made in Galicia", but not "spoken in Galician". (Sidenote: this also means certain films in Category:Galician-language films should be Purged, since they are in Spanish and / or English, not Galician).
- At the moment I do not have an opinion on whether we should have categories for films by autonomous community of Spain, but assuming we will keep them, it is desirable that we make these catnames less ambiguous. The comparison with Catalan and Catalan-language films also shows this.
- We could develop a new convention like Films in Fooian (see the recent Songs in Fooian precedents) versus Films from Fooland (see the recent People from Fooland precedents), but such a decision would have broad implications for our current category structures. Nevertheless, given how often ambiguous adjectives like "Galician" lead to confusion, and recent precedents have developed solutions to avoid such confusion, this seems the best way forward. NLeeuw (talk) 10:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub[edit]
- Propose deleting Template:North-America-cricket-ground-stub (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:North American cricket ground stubs to ???
- Nominator's rationale: Used on only 3 articles. Merge the category to Category:North American sports venue stubs. Follow-up CfD to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_26#Category:North_American_sports_venue_stubs. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete template and merge category but to Category:Cricket ground stubs; do not also merge to the original North American target, as pages should all be within national sub-cats of that one. Implement by replacing stub link with {{Cricket-ground-stub}}. – Fayenatic London 09:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge per Fayenatic london. As said, pages should mostly be directly in a country stub category. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Circassia[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Circassia to Category:Circassians
- Nominator's rationale: This newly created uncategorized category seems redundant with Category:Circassians. Gjs238 (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Circassian history. We do not have that category yet and it nicely fits the current content of this category. If not renamed, then merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:16, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Gjs238: what do you think of the rename alternative? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'm leaning toward using the scheme used at Category:Circassia - Wikimedia Commons (Circassia>Circassians>Circassian people) Gjs238 (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Circassian history. --Aldij (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:This TV affiliates[edit]
- Propose deleting Category:This TV affiliates (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Network is now defunct Mvcg66b3r (talk) 21:09, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if Mvcg66b3r can provide reliable sources for this claim. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean keep. But why delete. Being defunct isn't a reason to delete. We'd have to delete Category:Roman Empire, using that logic. Mason (talk) 23:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete if Mvcg66b3r can provide reliable sources for this claim. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Smasongarrison: Category:Roman Empire is an encyclopedically relevant topic for historians, Category:This TV affiliates is not comparable in that sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Lean keep Main article This TV does not say anywhere explicitly that the network is defunct, just that its website went down in May 2024. Secondly, this category has a main article, List of This TV affiliates, implying that this subject qualifies for a stand-alone page. Personally, I think that article is poorly sourced, and perhaps it should be AfD'd, which would open the way for a deletion of this category. But until that happens, I don't see a compelling reason to delete the category just yet. NLeeuw (talk) 15:32, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Battles involving ancient peoples[edit]
- Propose merging Category:Battles involving ancient peoples to Category:Battles of antiquity
- Nominator's rationale: merge, no clear distinction versus its parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, but Purge grandparent I think all children of Category:Battles involving ancient peoples should be Purged out of grandparent Category:Battles of antiquity, as they are already in Category:Battles involving ancient peoples. That category exists as part of the Category:Battles involving peoples tree, and to prevent overpopulation in Category:Battles of antiquity. The latter still needs to happen; in that sense nom has a good point. NLeeuw (talk) 23:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Nederlandse Leeuw: Category:Battles of antiquity contains a hodgepodge of battles subcategories anyway: by empires, by dynasties, by a period, by a source. Why would we just keep peoples separate? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:03, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, as I argued, as a subcategory of Category:Battles involving peoples, and as a subcategory of Category:Battles of antiquity; (and as a subcategory of Category:Ancient peoples). If this is an unhelpful intersection, you might convince me it's better to upmerge. E.g. one problem with it that I have is that Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples may be considered "ancient" in the sense of the Germanic peoples being ancient, but it has subcategories like Category:Battles involving the Lombards and Category:Battles involving the Vikings on account of the Lombards and Vikings being "Germanic", even though especially the latter are not "ancient" at all, but wholly medieval (Vikings appear no earlier than the 8th century, see Viking Age). And as we confirmed last year, the scope of Category:Germanic people by century is "before 1200". So I'm thinking Germanic peoples should not be categorised as "ancient" if we allow them to be early and high medieval as well. But that's a problem that can be solved by simply purging Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples out of both the nominated and target category, and only including those subcategories that are exclusively "ancient". (Upmerging will not solve the issue.) Other than that, I regard the nominee as useful for navigation. NLeeuw (talk) 06:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I nominated Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples as well if that helps. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Well, as I argued, as a subcategory of Category:Battles involving peoples, and as a subcategory of Category:Battles of antiquity; (and as a subcategory of Category:Ancient peoples). If this is an unhelpful intersection, you might convince me it's better to upmerge. E.g. one problem with it that I have is that Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples may be considered "ancient" in the sense of the Germanic peoples being ancient, but it has subcategories like Category:Battles involving the Lombards and Category:Battles involving the Vikings on account of the Lombards and Vikings being "Germanic", even though especially the latter are not "ancient" at all, but wholly medieval (Vikings appear no earlier than the 8th century, see Viking Age). And as we confirmed last year, the scope of Category:Germanic people by century is "before 1200". So I'm thinking Germanic peoples should not be categorised as "ancient" if we allow them to be early and high medieval as well. But that's a problem that can be solved by simply purging Category:Battles involving Germanic peoples out of both the nominated and target category, and only including those subcategories that are exclusively "ancient". (Upmerging will not solve the issue.) Other than that, I regard the nominee as useful for navigation. NLeeuw (talk) 06:17, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Battles by ancient peoples involved. Relist adding Category:Battles involving peoples to Category:Battles by peoples involved, and Category:Wars involving peoples to Category:Wars by peoples involved. See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 25#Involving countries. – Fayenatic London 11:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- If not merged, then certainly rename. This is meant to be a container category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wesley L. McDonald Distinguished Statesman and Stateswoman of Aviation Award[edit]
- Nominator's rationale: Not even sure if this meets the criteria for a defining characteristic. Gjs238 (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 00:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Gjs238 (talk) 12:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- If this award category should be deleted under those parameters you should then delete categories such as Category:Piolet d'Or winners Nayyn (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. --Lenticel (talk) 00:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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