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The result was delete. fails WP:NSEASONS without some kind of notable, thematic connection that can be verified through WP:RS: "This grouping might be based on head coaches, conference affiliation, or any other reasonable standard that results in sufficient coverage for the period to warrant an article." ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:38, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

VCU Rams men's soccer, 1978–89[edit]

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Contested prod that did not deal with the relevant guidelines. WP:NSEASONS is crystal clear: college seasons are only presumed notable when the program in question either wins a national championships or at the very least qualifies for the NCAA division I Championship. This team has not in the years covered here. There is no indication of GNG either as the article is simply a stat dump Fenix down (talk) 08:27, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:42, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 18:33, 8 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - WP:NSEASONS also explicitly says that in cases where individual seasons are non-notable, multiple seasons can be grouped together. That's exactly what happened here. I don't see the issue. Smartyllama (talk) 16:53, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - That's completely wrong, NSEASONS does not say that merging two+ non-notable articles, inherently makes a notable article. It needs to satisfy the following criterion, stated in NSEASONS, namely: This grouping might be based on head coaches, conference affiliation, or any other reasonable standard that results in sufficient coverage for the period to warrant an article.

In what way does this article satisfy that criterion? There is only information, and in this case just stats, for one season. As such it cannot in its current state satisfy any criterion of NSEASONS, let alone this one.

The key phrase is sufficient coverage, i.e. that the seasons as a set would have to pass GNG through coverage based on some kind of clearly articulated grouping. This article makes no attempt to do this whatsoever. Could you please clarify how this article satisfies NSEASONS, as I am concerned you have misunderstood it. Fenix down(talk) 18:09, 9 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fenix, there's no need to clarify, college soccer is irrelevant, and there is more purging needed. GLenhart1 (talk) 14:22, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where you're pinning significant coverage under, a quick search of VCU men's soccer draws 37,000 Google News results. Maybe WP:CLEANUP is needed, but that doesn't mean we go ahead and put it under WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Quidster4040 (talk) 02:04, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That would be relevant if we were discussing the program, where is GNG for any of these seasons? Fenix down (talk) 12:31, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

When you search for each season on Google and draws nearly 10,000 results.

• Delete I don't see that grouping the seasons together where they fail WP:NSEASONS helps them now pass it. A list of all seasons may be ok, but this is not. Number 57 13:32, 10 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy Keep - per SmartyLllama. Also place a block warning on Fenix down for the spam nomination. Cobyan02069 (talk) 13:49, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Closing admin, please note this autoblock indicating that Cobyan and Glenhart have some kind of connection. Fenix down (talk) 16:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't spread lies like that. Cobyan02069 (talk) 22:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Screw you. GLenhart1 (talk) 14:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete because college soccer is stupid. GLenhart1 (talk) 14:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Fenix down (talk) 16:20, 13 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Snow Keep per Smartyllama as it meets WP:NSEASONS by being placed together. Furthermore this page seems to be made out of compromise in a discussion in Talk:VCU Rams men's soccer. Quidster4040 (talk) 02:00, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It does not meet NSEASONS, this still requires there to be a common thread through the seasons for which GNG can be shown. Fenix down (talk) 12:29, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm failing to see where there isn't one, can you please assist? Quidster4040 (talk) 20:51, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I could if there was something more than just stats for one season. I'm not seeing any evidence that in any of these seasons that the team qualified for the NCAA division I Championship. Though in that case that individual season would be notable for its own article anyway. I'm not aware of any sources that discuss these seasons as a whole that would satisfy GNG. Simply being seasons of a program where other season are notable does not make these, even if they are grouped together notable. Simply put, beyond results summaries, where is the significant independent coverage of this period of the program? Fenix down (talk) 22:44, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Could potentially meet WP:NSEASONS, at this very moment it does not because only information from 1 season is included and that information is just a schedule which would I believe is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS. If other seasons are added into this article and the information included details, as in a roster, coaching staff, all-conference players, etc., then it would pass.--Rockchalk717 05:56, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per most of what's been said above. There is insufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG, and at present it doesn't meet WP:NSEASONS either. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:12, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete In addition to what's been said above I'd like to point out that the grouping doesn't make much sense. VCU were independent from 1978 to 1987, when they joined the sunbelt, and they changed coaches in 1982. There is no common thread holding these 12 seasons together. GiovanniSidwell (talk) 14:42, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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