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The result was redirect to Attila (metalcore band). Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Soundtrack to a Party[edit]

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I cannot seem to find reliable indepth coverage--not even an AllMusic review. There is discogs and music download sites but those certainly do not count toward GNG TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Nat965 (talk) 03:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per nom. London Hall (talk) 05:47, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - A different and more notable album by the same band has also been nominated for deletion, but this early release really has no significant coverage beyond basic listings of its existence. Its release can be mentioned as a brief historical fact at the band's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:25, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect. I can't source it either, but a redirect to the artist article at Attila (metalcore band) seems to me to be a fair, policy-based outcome per WP:ATD-R. What do fellow editors (TheGracefulSlick—London Hall—Doomsdayer520) think? Sam Sailor 08:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Sam Sailor: Sorry for the delay. I have been a frequent participant in album AfDs for the past few months and have noticed that this recommendation is becoming more frequent. As you said, it's a fair policy-based solution and I have no problem with it for sketchy album articles in general. But while redirects are cheap and easy, so is reversing them, and instead of just eliminating the data we leave open the chance for someone to bring it back into the light again and again. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 23:51, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Doomsdayer520: No worries. Alternatives to deletion is an often overlooked part of our deletion policy, and redirects from albums to e.g. an artist article or a discography article are so common we even have a specific WP:RCAT for these cases: {{R from album}}.

I can't see anything in the article history that suggests we would have edit warring over a redirect. No need to cross bridges before we come to them. And should a problem arrise, a typical scenario would be an IP editor restoring the article without better sourcing, then a simple solution would be to put the redirect under WP:PCPP and eventually WP:SEMI, should the problem persist. In retaining the article's history rather than deleting it, we not only comply with deletion policy, we also comply with editing policy, and leave a little window open for someone to source the article adequately, rather than start from scratch.

Even if a case was made for deleting the current article for whatever reason, a Delete and recreate as redirect !vote would be more logical rather than just Delete: this title typically got 20–30 daily views in April, and if it did not exist and someone requested it at WP:AFC/R, I would not hesitate with creating it as an {{R from album}}. Sam Sailor 17:30, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Sam Sailor: Well explained as always, but a question remains. This collection of policies appears to be so well established that it might as well be the outcome for most, or all, album AfDs. So why have discussions? If someone decides an album article should be deleted, when they hit "XfD" (or they start it manually), should the system just tell them to redirect to the artist's article and see if anyone reverses it later? ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 21:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Doomsdayer520: We have these discussions, I think, because Twinkle makes it far too easy to hit XfD, and does not come with a reminder saying "Before nominating an article, remember to consider alternatives to deletion" the same way the edit notice does. I am sure a function could be added to Twinkle that searched for e.g. {{Infobox album}}, found the value in the |artist= parameter and suggested a redirect. Should we make a joint effort to propose such a function at WT:TWINKLE or WP:VPT (or whereever the best venue is)? But until then I think we should try to raise awareness about WP:ATD by participating in the AFDs listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Albums and songs. (That is very much a reminder to myself.) ... Perhaps you would reconsider your "delete" !vote in this discussion? Best, Sam Sailor 07:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Attila (metalcore band) as per WP:ATD-R. A reasonable search term. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:31, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.