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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:19, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Saddam Salman[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested by the article's creator without providing a reason. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 13:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played or managed senior international football nor played or managed in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 09:00, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom Spiderone 19:25, 22 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment It isn't clear whether the Iraqi Premier League is professional or not, but it seems like it would be, particularly given the AFC Champions League berths. Plus, it isn't clear if the Olympic qualifier involved the "A" U23 team for Iraq, one would assume would satisfy criteria #1 of NFOOTY. Can these two things be clarified? South Nashua (talk) 01:15, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If the Iraqi league is fully pro, and I doubt that it is, it hasn't been verified in reliable sources. A fully pro status cannot be inferred from the Champions League berths for two reasons. First, the berths do not actually exist. According to the article on the 2017 AFC Champions League, "Iraq did not fulfill the AFC Club Licensing Criteria." As such, no Iraqi clubs participated in the competition. Second, there are leagues that have such berths but are confirmed not fully pro (e.g. Bahrain). As for point #1 of WP:NFOOTY, to meet this point a footballer must have a played a tier 1 (i.e. senior level) international match or at the Olympic games. Olympic qualifiers are very deliberately not included. The guideline explicitly says that it does not cover youth level football, like the Olympic qualifiers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:50, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Whoops, didn't notice the part about the senior level. However, it appears he took part in the 2006 AFC Champions League, not the 2017 edition. I think it's important to get some clarity on the status of professionalism in this league in that era before moving forward on this article. If it can be confirmed that the league was not fully professional, deletion seems appropriate. South Nashua (talk) 02:05, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary WP:FPL works by assuming all leagues not listed there are not fully professional. Unless the player can be shown to meet GNG then the article should be deleted, though that does not preclude recreation at a later date if sources are presented at WT:FPL indicating full professionalism of the Iraqi League. Fenix down (talk) 09:19, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's incredibly unfortunate, but understandable. South Nashua (talk) 19:28, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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