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The result was speedy keep. Subject clearly meets WP:NFOOTY, sources below also indicate wider WP:GNG Fenix down (talk) 09:18, 29 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mazin Fayyadh[edit]

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This player seems to fail the GNG quite clearly. The article has been around for a year, and none of the listed sources discuss him in detail, except for database extract pages, and neither the Farsi, Arabic nor Italian pages seem to have any better sources. Remember, the topic-specific notability guideline doesn't guarantee notability; it just carries a presumption of notability. Slashme (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iraq-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:30, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The player has now started in and scored in FIFA sanctioned matches for an international team, he is notable to have a wikipedia page.

@CAPTAIN RAJU: Here are sources discussing the player in detail and by himself ^{[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]} Alitheboss55 (talk) 20:05, 26 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep passes WP:NFOOTY by playing multiple matches for the national team, as well as the fact that there is a decent amount of coverage (abet in Arabic) indicating that the subject of the article passes WP:GNG as well. Inter&anthro (talk) 00:57, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - this is not a player making a single appearance in a lower league fourty years ago, he has made several appearances at senior international level so the presumption of notability made by WP:NFOOTBALL is justified in this case. Plus the articles provided above seem to go a long way toward meeting WP:GNG based on what Google translate is able to show. Kosack (talk) 08:26, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment A claim is made here that "The player has now started in and scored in FIFA sanctioned matches for an international team" and a reference in the article refers to a match against Syria on 26-08-2017 which ended 1-1 with Fayyadh scoring the equaliser. A refenece in the article shows a teamsheet for the match with Fayyadh as a substitute. However, FIFA do not list the match, and neither do the Iraqi Football Association, and neither do 11v11.com and neither do soccerway (yet?), so I question whether there was a Tier 1 International played at all. None of the recent matches listed for Iraq on any of these sites have Mazin Fayyed listed in the line-ups. His US Soccerway profile shows he played 46 minutes in a friendly against Qatar in August 2016 (enough to pass NFOOTBALL) and no other senior appearances, just one international where he sat on the bench but there a lag before soccerway updates information. The dutch soccerway profile in his article only the bench one, so is obviously lagging even further. End of the day I'd like to see some more reliable references for these international appearances. ClubOranje^T 12:03, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment as nominator - Thanks to Alitheboss55 for providing those sources; if they had been in the article from the start I would not have submitted it to AfD, and not being able to speak Arabic or Farsi, it was difficult for me to find them. Can you add some information from these sources to the article and use them as references? That way the next person to arrive will be better informed :-D --Slashme (talk) 13:04, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@ClubOranje: I was mistaken, it turned out in the last few hours that the Syrian and Iraqi FA's failed to register the match with FIFA which means it is an unofficial friendly. The only way to find out about appearances in Iraq is through manually counting them, author and writer Hassanin Mubarak is usually the most reliable but I count them as well, I have reached out to him to find the accurate amount of official games, since the Iraqi FA is known to hold friendlies that don't count with FIFA for some reasonAlitheboss55 (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Slashme: I will once I find the time, when i do can i delete the deletion nomination notice? Alitheboss55 (talk) 13:53, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Alitheboss55: No, the admin who closes this discussion will remove the notice. --Slashme (talk) 14:01, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - meets WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 15:34, 27 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep International Footballer. Evidence of non routine coverage, albeit non English, but notability is not language dependent
• Keep. For information, national-football-teams.com gives him 2 "FIFA matches" i.e. Tier 1 as per WP:NFOOTY, including the friendly against Uzbekistan in which he made his debut, and 1 "Non-FIFA match" (not the Syria one). NFT.com transliterate his name differently, as Mazen Fayad, but it's the same chap. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:35, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Passes WP:NFOOTBALL per the provided sources. Smartyllama (talk) 13:11, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as a full international footballer. He has also been a top player in the Iraqi league, and based on the few English-language sources covering Iraqi football, I think it can satisfy the GNG if editors can add Arabic-language sources to the article. Jogurney (talk) 14:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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