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The result was keep. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Henderson House (Dumfries, Virginia)[edit]

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Unreferenced and does not meet GNG. Its claimed to be historic, but apparently not rising to the level of NRHP. I did find some info from a local historic group in Dumfries, VA [1] but that is not enough. MB 00:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - I completed the AfD after technical issues. ansh666 01:09, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. A book called George Washington's Country was published by E. P. Dutton in 1930. This book contains nine pages about this mid-18th century house. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:12, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This is the house where The Grand Old Man of the Marine Corps was raised, one of the most important figures of the early days of the Corps. Interesting DYK, it was also hit by a cannonball during the civil war as a result of the fighting nearby. Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - It’s a house. Per WP:NGEO, houses don’t inherit notability from people. Someone being raised in a house doesn’t make it notable on its own, otherwise we’d have a lot of articles on houses. Also, if we did an article on every building that was damaged during the Civil War, we’d have a whole lot more articles on houses and buildings. There aren’t even articles for all the childhood homes of every President of the United States. This house isn’t on the National Register and doesn’t have historic park or monument status that I can find, and I can’t find anything else to establish its notability. Shelbystripes (talk) 15:09, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per the significant coverage identified by Cullen together with the other source highlighted by the nominator. Wikipedia has many thousands of articles on houses of historic notability and this one passes GNG Atlantic306 (talk) 15:28, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Just because a house is not listed in the National Register of Historic Places, does not mean that it is not historical. The house in question was built by Alexander Henderson a merchant and politician in the British colony and American state of Virginia who is notable enough to have his own article in Wikipedia. The house was also the home of another notable figure, Archibald Henderson the "Grand old man of the Marine Corps".Tony the Marine (talk) 03:24, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  A house does not inherit notability because it was built by someone notable or lived in by someone notable (as previously stated by Shelbystripes). It needs to have significant independent coverage in RS on its own. No one has provided any sources except one book "George Washington's Country", but I can't read the relevant pages in the Google preview and thus can't discern the depth of the coverage. The source I provided is not independent; it is a local historical group in Dumfries, Va (pop. 5000) that is trying to promote tourism in the town. MB 04:07, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dumfries was one of the largest towns in America during the tobacco period of the late 1700s. Where did you come up with the comment about the historical group...specifically where you stated, that it "is trying to promote tourism in the town"? Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 12:42, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This search shows (at least for me - Google Books can be very unpredictable about what it displays) that this house is the topic of a nine-page chapter in that book. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 14:19, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I concur with User: FieldMarine who wrote: "This is the house where The Grand Old Man of the Marine Corps was raised, one of the most important figures of the early days of the Corps." I added a link in the external link section.Knox490 (talk) 00:52, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As I mentioned above, buildings do not inherit notability, so this is not really a valid reason to keep under Wikipedia policies. Being a place someone notable lived does not make that place notable in itself. Also the "external link" you added is to the current proprietor of the house, which means it is not an independent reliable source and does not add support to keeping the page. Are there multiple independent reliable sources supporting encyclopedic notability? So far I've heard mention of nine pages in a single book, but that's all. Shelbystripes (talk) 03:10, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article mentions the house being used as a hospital for both the north and the south during the Civil War, depending on who held the territory at the time. I'm sure there's more to that thread with a little more research, and certainly notable IMHO. The article also states there's a 1930s-era Marine Corps museum history of the home. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:12, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the 1930s article from the Marine Corps Museum that says the house had many notable men entertained there during the revolution and was used as a hospital during the Civil War. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:29, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep based on two editors asserting the nine pages of coverage of the house. However, the article is just one or two sentences without sources (unless the external link is one), and by now in an AFD usually the article in question should be developed more. (Though "AFD is not for cleanup", it usually is helpful to simply develop an article and take it off the table. However, if some editor seems to be using AFD to force cleanup (I don't know if that is happening here), it seems more beneficial to fight that by arguing for Keep without cleaning up.) --doncram 04:50, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• I would have cited the book mentioned above if I had access to the full text. As it is I can see from the table of contents that it has a chapter about this house but I can't see any of the content. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 12:21, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Does not NOTINHERITED apply? Peterkingiron (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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