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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 18:23, 2 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Domestic average home attendances of football clubs[edit]

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First of all it is an non-notable list of attendances. Secondly, there is no evidence that this is complete as all numbers are individually sourced, but also it is an arbitrary cut-off point at 30,000. Qed237 (talk) 13:46, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Qed237 (talk) 13:47, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - indiscriminate, non-notable list. Cubbie15fan (talk) 15:36, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - I might have suggested a merge, but since this information is already in other articles, it renders this article unneeded. Also as the above vote points out the article is pretty vague in its inclusion and exclusion of information. Inter&anthro (talk) 17:41, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. GiantSnowman 20:00, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Precedent is fairly mixed, compare Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of National Hockey League attendance figures, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues but Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of attendance figures at football clubs and leagues (hmm, based on that, one could consider a speedy WP:CSD#G4 here). On the discussion above: There is clear evidence of "notability", as attendance numbers are part of every match report and widely reported in multiple sources. The question is whether such a list violates WP:NOTSTATS and whether the mix of leagues is something seen in other such statistics or not (if Wikipedia is the only place that publishes such a list, it violates WP:SYNTH, for example like List of sports attendance figures probably does). As to the suggestion of a merge: where would I find the information what the ten clubs with the highest average league attendances are? —Kusma (t·c) 20:18, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  @Kusma: some websites such as FIFA or UEFA's official websites might have that information. Maybe a statistic site such as soccerway. There are some sources such as these (1, 2, 3, 4) might be helpful if you are interested in this subject. Hope that helps - Inter&anthro (talk) 00:44, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  So the information can't be found on Wikipedia, but elsewhere. Your links actually prove notability of the topic. —Kusma (t·c) 08:35, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry I interpreted your original post as if there are more sources covering this subject, there are indeed articles on Wikipedia covering this subject, such as List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues and List of record home attendances of English football clubs. I would be more than willing to change my vote if this article is proven notable, the only problem is that the stuff I provided as well as all but one I believe of the citations provided in the article fall under WP:PRIMARY, so that would be an obstacle in keeping this article. Inter&anthro (talk) 13:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  All of these are secondary or tertiary sources. Press releases from the clubs in question would be primary sources. —Kusma (t·c) 15:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as indiscriminate list of stats. Ajf773 (talk) 22:16, 24 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - as per previous discussions Spiderone 12:17, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per previous discussions, not seeing anything changing since then, ad WP:NOTSTATS. Fenix down (talk) 11:54, 1 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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