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The result of the move request was: Not Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 21:06, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hear my prayer → Hear My Prayer – Per WP:NCSONG. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 23:25, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nomination, but it should be noted that, on 28 August 2022, the main title header had been unilaterally moved from "Hear My Prayer" to "Hear my prayer", with the edit summary, "Should be decapitalized as per MOS:INCIPIT" ("Incipits: If a work is known by its first line or few words of text (its incipit), this is rendered in sentence case, and will often be the Wikipedia article title"). Whether it is applicable in this instance will have to be determined by consensus. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:59, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The entire reason we have guidelines is to apply them across similar cases and avoid wasting editorial time and productivity (and goodwill) relitigating the same questions over and over and over again on a page-by-page basis. You must know this by now.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, because I believe that this is no song, so NCSONG doesn't apply. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whether a song or not, it's the title of a work, so MOS:CAPTITLE applies. But I wonder if this fits under MOS:INCIPIT, which would favour the current title. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    @BarrelProof: please support my nomination for moving this title. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose this is a classical music composition so follows classical music article MOS. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:06, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Although as a classical music composition, this should be capitalised. For example, "This Have I Done for My True Love", "I Vow to Thee, My Country", and so on. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  And how about changing those others? - They are no true titles, just incipits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Weak oppose: It looks like MOS:INCIPIT applies here (and also for "I Vow to Thee, My Country", but not for "This Have I Done for My True Love"). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 20:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  In this lead section, you should see "Hear My Prayer" in bold title. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 22:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  That can easily be changed. We generally don't use Wikipedia as evidence to support its own content. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Also I forgot, "Hark! The Herald Angels Sing" does not apply with MOS:INCIPIT. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  That is a good point. I don't know how we decide in such cases. Perhaps we should try to see what is done in reliable sources. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Sources claim that capitalization of "Hear My Prayer" as shown on IMSLP, AllMusic, Library of Congress, and Wise Music Classical, but sometimes "Hear my Prayer" in Oxford Reference. 112.204.206.165 (talk) 09:48, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose. This is obviously a MOS:INCIPIT case. The fact that the kind of confused anon can find another case of an incipit that is over-capitalized on WP doesn't mean we should have another one, it means we need to do another RM to fix that one, too.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  11:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]