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I am not an expert on these issues, but the category Category:Ruling clans of India looks awfully large and suspicious. Is "Ruling clans" a genuine, defining category, or is it just a chance for random people to go claim that their clan or subgroup used to "rule" something somewhere in the subcontinent in the dim recesses of history? I note that the entire Category:Maratha clans cat is underneath this cat, implying that every Maratha clan is a "ruling" clan... ? No offense meant at all to the academically-inclined folks from the subcontinent who edit here and do outstanding work, but the current surge in WP popularity in that region has brought in a lot of folks with major POV issues. MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the category serves a legitimate purpose, however it appears to be misused currently. There are a few issues though - what defines a ruling clan - Zaminandars of local villages, rulers of small kingdoms, rulers of large kingdoms? Currently, what's in it, is a mix of all those, and some. That said, I think clean up, and probably a clearer definition/rename should solve the problem. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 00:52, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The name is open to both misuse and misinterpretation as pointed out. Lets make some clear-cut categories. For instance many of the articles in this cat can come under Category:Former dynasties of India That leaves very little room for misuse. --Deepak D'Souza 05:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Misinterpretation seems to be an obvious problem because the term 'clan' is unclear. Does the 'Wodeyar dynasty' qualify as a clan, for example? What about the 'Singh's' of the earth? I also notice the term 'dynasty' thrown around liberally and assume that historians use that for, say, the Wodeyar's or the Nayak's or ... --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 06:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thats the tricky part. The best I can come up with is that a dynasty is a part of a clan. A dynasty rules , a clan does not. I suggest that if we find a reference saying 'X dynasty' we treat it as such. If there is no ref dont treat it as one. e.g the Keladi Nayakas are, to the best of my knowledge, never refered to as a dynasty. Singh is a title taken by different , unrelated groups. I doubt it can be classified as a clan--Deepak D'Souza 06:46, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(deindent) I think Category:Former dynasties of India seems an awfully good idea. Even a lot of the subcats listed eventually break down into "Fooian dynasties". Any other debate, or put it up for WP:CFD? MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:51, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three days since. I guess this can be taken forward to CFD. --Deepak D'Souza 05:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Taken to CFD, please feel free to chime in. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that after the rename (or before), a few editors will have to go in and remove the category from pages that don't belong. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 23:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whelp, it's in WP:CFD. Any idea what to do with the similar Category:Ruling Hindu clans and Category:Ruling Jain clans? Again, the entirety of Category:Maratha clans and Category:Rajput is listed under the former, theoretically implying that all Maratha clans are "ruling" clans. Is this as POV as it sounds, or just sloppy filing? I'm just suspicious after all the POV pushing with all the "Royal Most Supreme 96K Maratha Clan System" stuff folks recently had to clamp down on. MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Need to determine what species the Indian vegetable tenti dela (used in Indian pickles) is. Badagnani (talk) 00:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is entirely an ignorant guess from using that great reliable source called Google, but could it be Capparis decidua, which has 'tenti' as one of its many common names?[1][2][3] Priyanath ^talk 01:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a type of gooseberry if I'm not mistaken, I personally don't like the pickle very much. This picture has the biological name which is very close to the above guess and here's a pickle jar showing just the berries. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 01:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

After a recent request, I added WikiProject India to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 02:00, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice...Thanks! Ganeshk (talk) 03:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great! This should let us know which India related articles we need to improve on priority. --Deepak D'Souza 04:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely - great work! :-) Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 16:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, great work and very interesting. Especially trivia such as Pornography in India is more viewed than Kālidāsa or Sunil Gavaskar. cheers -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 17:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone with some knowledge take a look at this article? It currently appears to be a POV push; I found a Gbooks link that disputes one of the assertions in the article that they are descendants of Rama's son Lava, but there's another that says that they claim to be descendants, don't know what to make of it. Also, a total of five identical pages existed for this, I've redirected Budgujar, Burgujar, Bargujar, Vadgujar to this page as this appears to be the oldest of them all. I've opened a discussion on the talk page. -SpacemanSpiff^{Calvin‡Hobbes} 16:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please add your vote at the Mumbai--> Demographics Image Poll. Thanks Nikkul (talk) 02:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the category Rajput appear at the bottom of this page? I looked through the page history and found that it appeared just a few revisions ago. How does one remove it (there's no text at the bottom)? Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 11:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]