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*:In 17 years at CFD, I have never before seen anything remotely like this. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 08:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
*:In 17 years at CFD, I have never before seen anything remotely like this. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 08:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
::: {{Ping|BrownHairedGirl}} This is a difference of opinion over the [[WP:SMALLCAT]] ''guideline''; it's not worth throwing out [[WP:5P4]] with the bath water. And I'm ''also'' trying to do better here; I struck a part of my comment in another nomination that was about you and not the category. (Sorry about that, btw.) Why don't we both lower the temperature? - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 10:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
::: {{Ping|BrownHairedGirl}} This is a difference of opinion over the [[WP:SMALLCAT]] ''guideline''; it's not worth throwing out [[WP:5P4]] with the bath water. And I'm ''also'' trying to do better here; I struck a part of my comment in another nomination that was about you and not the category. (Sorry about that, btw.) Why don't we both lower the temperature? - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 10:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
::::No it is not a {{tq|difference of opinion|q=y}}. There has been a systematic efforts by a tag team (in which Oculi is one of the two main players) to radically misrepresent [[WP:SMALLCAT]] and to use that misrepresented guideline vindictively. WP:SMALLCAT is unambiguously restricted (inter alia) to cats which are "Small with no potential for growth", and it is being systematically abused by editors (including you) who wholly ignore the "no potential for growth" part.
::::The way to {{tq|lower the temperature|q=y}} is to stop tag-teaming, and to withdraw the vindictive nominations. I welcome your striking of one of your comments[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_25&diff=prev&oldid=1162641341], but I note that on that page you have not even struck your bogus allegation in that discussion that I had {{tq|threatened|q=y}} the closer (an allegation which you also made elsewhere) or you appalling !vote to merge on the grounds that one editor would not commit to populating the nominated categories, or your false allegations of [[WP:POINT]] disruption. If you ''really'' want to {{tq|lower the temperature|q=y}} then stop pouring petrol on fires and stop enabling the tag team and stop being an attack dog for the tag team. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 10:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)


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Irish field hockey players

Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Armagh‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Armagh‎ (15), Category:Irish field hockey players (30) and Category:Field hockey players from Northern Ireland (12)
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Clare‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Clare‎ (20) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Donegal‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Donegal‎ (30) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Galway‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Galway‎ (31) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Kerry‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Kerry‎ (41) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Kilkenny‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Kilkenny‎ (20) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Limerick‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Limerick‎ (20) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Londonderry‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Londonderry‎ (20) and Category:Irish field hockey players and Category:Field hockey players from Northern Ireland
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Louth‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Louth‎ (21) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Tipperary‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Tipperary‎ (26) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Tyrone‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Tyrone‎ (26) and Category:Irish field hockey players and Category:Field hockey players from Northern Ireland
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Waterford‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Waterford‎ (15) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Wexford‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Wexford‎ (14) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Merge Category:Field hockey players from County Wicklow‎ (0) to Category:Sportspeople from County Wicklow‎ (27) and Category:Irish field hockey players
Rationale: There are 124 members in all in Category:Irish field hockey players and 32 counties, ie around 4 per county. Moreover County Dublin has 48 and County Antrim (Belfast) has 17, leaving around 60 to be distributed amongst 30 counties. Clearly that any attempt to split up Irish field hockey players much further by county is doomed (indeed not one other passes user:William Allen Simpson’s stated minimum requirement of 10, County Down leading the way with 8). In addition to the small numbers, Sheelagh Murnaghan, say, is being categorised as a hockey player when the only mention of hockey in her article relates to her student days. Bill Haughton was a hockey player but is again categorised by place of birth (unsourced), contrary to WP:COP-PLACE. (“Haughton played [cricket] once for Ireland, a first-class match against Glamorgan on 23 May 1953. He was dismissed for a duck in both innings”) Editors populating these categories should take responsibility for their edits rather than relying on ‘Petscan assured me this would be fine’. Oculi (talk) 22:51, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Irish trade unionists

Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Carlow‎ (1) to Category:Activists from County Carlow‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists (19)
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Clare‎ (1) to Category:Activists from County Clare‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Kildare‎ (1) to Category:Activists from County Kildare‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Laois‎ (1) to Category:Activists from County Laois‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Mayo‎ (1) to Category:Activists from County Mayo‎ (2) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Armagh‎ (2) to Category:Activists from County Armagh‎ (2) and Category:Irish trade unionists and Category:Trade unionists from Northern Ireland (3)
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Monaghan‎ (2) to Category:Activists from County Monaghan‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Roscommon‎ (2) to Category:Activists from County Roscommon‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Tyrone‎ (2) to Category:Activists from County Tyrone‎ (2) and Category:Irish trade unionists and Category:Trade unionists from Northern Ireland
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Londonderry‎ (3) to Category:Activists from County Londonderry‎ (2) and Category:Irish trade unionists and Category:Trade unionists from Northern Ireland
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Waterford‎ (3) to Category:Activists from County Waterford‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Wexford‎ (3) to Category:Activists from County Wexford‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Wicklow‎ (3) to Category:Activists from County Wicklow‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Down‎ (4) to Category:Activists from County Down‎ (3) and Category:Irish trade unionists and Category:Trade unionists from Northern Ireland
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Kerry‎ (4) to Category:Activists from County Kerry‎ (2) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Limerick‎ (5) to Category:Activists from County Limerick‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Meath‎ (4) to Category:Activists from County Meath‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Sligo‎ (4) to Category:Activists from County Sligo‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Merge Category:Trade unionists from County Tipperary‎ (5) to Category:Activists from County Tipperary‎ (1) and Category:Irish trade unionists
Rationale: There are 218 members in all in Category:Irish trade unionists and 32 counties, ie around 7 per county. Moreover County Dublin has 74, County Antrim (Belfast) has 36 and County Cork has 22, leaving around 66 to be distributed amongst 29 counties. Clearly any attempt to split up trade unionists much further by county is doomed (indeed not one other passes user:William Allen Simpson’s stated minimum requirement of 10, Galway leading the way with 9). In addition to the small numbers, Patricia Ryan (politician), say, is being categorised by place of birth (unsourced), contrary to WP:COP-PLACE. Indeed most of the articles if properly scrutinised do not support the addition of the 'by county' category at all. Oculi (talk) 21:44, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge All for Now with no objection to recreating any that reach 5+ articles for people who were labor unionists in that county. (While WP:SMALLCAT does not give a number, 5 articles has been a more common rule of thumb in CFD than 10.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:01, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. This category series is only 9 days old. Ten of the 19 nominated categories have either 3 or 4 pages, meaning that only one more would be needed to reach 5. There is much uncaegorisation of Irish trade unionists, so I expect many more articles to be added to the set in coming weeks and months. Furthermore, I have not yet populated the activist-by-county categories, which will be much bigger, and it will be unhelpful to lose the TU ppl in those larger sets.
    Please note that the nominator Oculi has been reminded many times recently that WP:SMALLCAT is for categories which are "Small with no potential for growth", and tat as with many other nominations by Oculi, he makes no attempt to assess the potential for growth, beyond noting the current ally of articles in in Category:Irish trade unionists. There is no consideration of undercategorisation of TU ppl, or of the rate of new articles. This is yet another blatantly bad faith nomination by a highly-experienced editor w persistently refuses to apply te actual guideline WP:SUBCAT, and who is par of a tag team overtly targeting my work i revenge for my opposing some of his nominations. I would be open to a review of these categories, but this is wildly premature.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:50, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Request Please let's focus on the categories rather than other editors, flawed though they may be. - RevelationDirect (talk) 05:03, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @RevelationDirect: when editors tag-team to abuse the CFD process by systematically misrepresenting guidelines and vindictively targeting the work of other editors, then it is important that this info is presented to the CFD discussion.
    In 17 years at CFD, I have never before seen anything remotely like this. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:34, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@BrownHairedGirl: This is a difference of opinion over the WP:SMALLCAT guideline; it's not worth throwing out WP:5P4 with the bath water. And I'm also trying to do better here; I struck a part of my comment in another nomination that was about you and not the category. (Sorry about that, btw.) Why don't we both lower the temperature? - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No it is not a difference of opinion. There has been a systematic efforts by a tag team (in which Oculi is one of the two main players) to radically misrepresent WP:SMALLCAT and to use that misrepresented guideline vindictively. WP:SMALLCAT is unambiguously restricted (inter alia) to cats which are "Small with no potential for growth", and it is being systematically abused by editors (including you) who wholly ignore the "no potential for growth" part.
The way to lower the temperature is to stop tag-teaming, and to withdraw the vindictive nominations. I welcome your striking of one of your comments[1], but I note that on that page you have not even struck your bogus allegation in that discussion that I had threatened the closer (an allegation which you also made elsewhere) or you appalling !vote to merge on the grounds that one editor would not commit to populating the nominated categories, or your false allegations of WP:POINT disruption. If you really want to lower the temperature then stop pouring petrol on fires and stop enabling the tag team and stop being an attack dog for the tag team. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pathological science

Nominator's rationale: WP:TRIVIALCAT, WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, basically just means "particularly annoying pseudoscience" - car chasm (talk) 03:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Anachronist: That target category has been nominated for deletion. (No opinion on that outcome.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 21:22, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 21:42, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose listifying: the examples that are called pathological science are already in the article and any other examples should not be added to the article because that would be entirely arbitrary. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Exploration video games

Nominator's rationale: I am putting this up for a CfD because I know the name can be a touchy topic. However, per the walking simulator article, reliable sources continue to use "walking sim" as the WP:COMMONNAME, therefore I believe this category should be retitled accordingly to match the article. I think it's sufficiently explained that despite its negative origins, it is now seen with ambivalence or support by numerous developers of such games, as shown in Kill Screen. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support The industry has secured "walking sim" as a non-derogatory term for these games, compared to when games like Firewatch and Gone Home first came out. Masem (t) 01:08, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why not "Walking simulators" to match the parent article? Axem Titanium (talk) 04:10, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it would be a bit more concise in a list of categories, but if people think it should be a precise match I have no real issue with it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think there's a strong preference for exact matching. No reason for not including a category redirect of Walking Sims to the full name. Masem (t) 00:26, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lithuanian emigration

Nominator's rationale: The contents are not about emigration per se as the communities in which they find themselves. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of schools in Nagaland

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:03, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:International Association of Engineers

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 18:13, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Old userspace drafts

Nominator's rationale WP:SMALLCATs with between one and three members each and no clear potential for growth. The subcategorization of Category:Userspace drafts is best thought of not as a standard dated maintenance category (and thus a well-established scheme exempt from SMALLCAT deletions), but instead as subcategorization for size management since, unlike dated maintenance categories, a draft's presence in this tree is not requesting any specific action. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:03, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Teach For America alumni

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. Teach for America is a short-term teaching program and not defining for these people, most of whom are politicians and lawyers. It is similar to AmeriCorps VISTA, which was deleted in 2020 and Peace Corps volunteers, which was deleted in April. User:Namiba 17:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Telecom Italia

Nominator's rationale: New company name; as the name of the related page: TIM Group. Epicamused (talk) 15:51, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lords of Worb

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People educated by school in GB

Nom School Live page count
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Arran High School Arran High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Auchmuty High School Auchmuty High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Biggar High School Biggar High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Calderside Academy Calderside Academy 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Central Foundation Girls' School Central Foundation Girls' School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Chilton Cantelo School Chilton Cantelo School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Chryston High School Chryston High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Devizes School Devizes School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Fernhill School, Rutherglen Fernhill School, Rutherglen 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Girvan Academy Girvan Academy 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Hillpark Secondary School Hillpark Secondary School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Kyle Academy Kyle Academy 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Mulberry School for Girls Mulberry School for Girls 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Seven Kings High School Seven Kings High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Spalding High School, Lincolnshire Spalding High School, Lincolnshire 0
Rationale: all of the above categories have 1 article at the time of listing. Previous cfds (often nominated by user:Bearcat) have deleted high school alumni categories on WP:SMALLCAT grounds, such as this cfd. In contrast this more recent cfd has stimulated editors to populate most of them, an excellent outcome. A search such as this for Fernhill might find potential additions. When adding an article for an alumnus, the school should be mentioned in the article, preferably sourced. In some cases the school article, linked in the table above, will have a list of illustrious alumni. (The nominator has no obligation to make any attempt to populate any categories created by others. That responsibility lies entirely with the creator of a category, whose first edits post-creation should be to find members, and delete the wretched thing if no more can be found.) Oculi (talk) 12:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Irish police officers by county

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat since each of these has less than 4 members. Some are possibly mis-labelled. For example there is only one member each for counties Laois and Offaly: each member died before the creation of the current state so they would not have known their counties by those names; they would have used "Queens's County" and "King's County" respectively. Similarly, the occupants of the Tipperary category were born before the current anschluss; the county names in those days were North Tipperary and South Tipperary. The scope of the remaining categories would also benefit from a note to say that the scope is for people who were born in those counties; like John Cullen (police officer), they may not have served their police careers in their county of birth. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Ireland has been notified of this discussion.
  • Keep per WP:SMALLCAT, as part of an established series which is still being populated.
The objection on the basis of the names of the counties is beyond absurd. These categories have no timeframe, and we always name categories by the most recent name. f we were to purge Laos an Offaly categories of articles from before 1922, we'd devastate the categories.
As to North Tipperary and South Tipperary, that is nonsense. All the categories for North Tipperary and South Tipperary were merged to County Tipperary. There is reason to make police an eception. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks I would like to offer my thanks to BHG for acknowledging that it was "unintended disruption". It's nice when she assumes that I work in Good Faith. Oh wait...did I just admit to being disruptive. Darn. Sigh. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:32, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I assume good faith until the assumption becomes untenable, as it has here.
    But of course it is wholly untrue to say that I was acknowledging that it was "unintended disruption". I said that it is "at best a act of unintended disruption".
    Please stop abusing CFD as a platform to publish untruths as part of your taunting games. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Note that as a demonstration of LL's bad faith, LL made no response to the expansion of the categories, or to my comments about how WP:SMALLCAT supports keeping these categories. Instead, they just posted snark.
    A good faith editor would at this stage withdraw the nomination, and apologise both the failure to read WP:SMALLCAT and for their lack of WP:BEFORE, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: I agree about the by-county targets, However, any merging should bed one manually, because many of these articles are already in subcats of Category:Irish police officers or in subcats of the relevant "people from county Foo".
Tho of course per WP:SMALLCAT, no merge should happen.
As to occupation by place, the Irish categories for "people from County Foo" were unusably big until I started diffusing them 6 weeks ago. Category:People from County Galway had over 900 articles, and Category:People from County Cork had over 800. They were a jumble of wildly different articles, from medieval scribes to Youtubers to Jacobite soldiers to 6th century Abbots.
I am diffusing them by place and also by occupation ideally both, but rarely by the intersection of town/village and occupation. This diffusion creates more coherent groups of more manageable size which make it easier to find articles. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge - this is not part of "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" being neither large nor accepted; cfd is the place to challenge whether something is 'accepted'. In any case it suffers from WP:NARROWCAT: there is no connection between 'from county' and 'occupation'. This was discussed at length in Architects from Dorset, suggested by user:Johnbod, which was upmerged, nothing to do with smallcat. (It was one of the first appearances of user:Rathfelder's doppelganger user:Bigwig7.) Oculi (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Colm Browne's membership of this category is unsourced. Adding unsourced categories is frowned upon. George Kingsmill left Ireland for Canada aged 21 having been in the army; this is categorisation by place of birth, which is discouraged (see WP:COP-PLACE: "The place of birth, although it may be significant from the perspective of local studies, is rarely defining from the perspective of an individual.") So neither of the members of Category:Police officers from County Laois is legitimate, and the category is founded on wishful thinking. Oculi (talk) 14:14, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Sadly, many articles are poorly-sourced. Feel free to add {{fact}} tags, missing refs etc. If the assertion is removed, the category should be remove too.
      WP:COP-PLACE applies only to place of birth, so if someone is born in Derry but raised in Kerry, they should not be be categorised as from Derry. But where the article offers only place of birth, with no assertion of being raised elsewhere, then it is reasonable to assume that they were raised in that place. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Oculi: if you really believe that there is here is no connection between 'from county' and 'occupation', then nominate all the occupational subcats of Category:People by first-level administrative country subdivision, Category:People by city and occupation so that the principle can be consistently.
    OTOH, if your objection is to subcatting police by county, then at least add the whole of Category:Irish police officers by county.
    But note that WP:NARROWCAT does not apply here. "Similar intersections can be made for related categories" applies here. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:16, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      • Category:Police officers from County Offaly is the same: none of the 4 is notable as a police person in Ireland (the first 3 are sportspeople in Ireland) and none is sourced apart from the last. This appears to be a desperate attempt to avoid grey-links in the elegant by-county template (Category:AllIrelandByCountyCatNav with over 5 grey links) that adorns these unsupported categories. (This is not my nom. I have added nothing; besides one wishes to avoid a 'huge nom'.) I might well consider a nom similar to this, possibly quite soon, based on grey links; most helpful. Oculi (talk) 14:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        Oculi, The decision to categorise as cops was not mine; I merely added the by-county cat.. All those I added today were already categorised (not by me) in Category:Garda Síochána officers, and I used a Petscan search to find those not in ay-county cat.
        Calling this a a desperate attempt to avoid grey-links is an unfounded assumption of bad faith. It follows a series if unpleasant and/or hostile encounters with you since I challenged your huge nominations in which you offered no evidence of having done any WP:BEFORE, and where you ignored my calls for it to be provided. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:14, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
        It's also important to note that the intersection between police and Gaelic games is a notable hot potato: see Rule 21. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:24, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Most for Now with no objection to recreating later if they reach 5+ articles. (Meath & Kildare appear to have reached that threshold during this nomination.) The "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" doesn't apply here since so many of the cats are under-populated, although we might eventually reach a tipping point where 1 or 2 cats are small so it makes sense to complete the set to aid navigation. Some of the comments (pro and con) above seem pretty pointed which must be because of issues beyond this nomination, which is pretty mundane. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:00, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having Second Thoughts "Diffusing by place makes sense, by occupation not so much". I'm beginning to regret that I did not nominate the entire "by county" tree. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:23, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Laurel Lodged: Okay, does that mean you're withdrawing this nomination, or just anticipating future ones? - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:42, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
just anticipating future ones Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:55, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of political thought journals

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 10:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Irish astrophysicists

Nominator's rationale: 1 article (10:43, 24 June 2023). An editor who creates a category has a duty to populate it if possible before moving on to other matters. A category consisting of one article is useless and gives the impression in this case that the Irish are not gifted Astrophysicists. I could populate the category quite easily (eg this elementary google search) but would rather spend my time trying to encourage editors to complete their self-allotted tasks properly. Note also that Astrophysicists are not explicitly gathered together by continent; a sad omission which someone contributing to this category tree might care to address. Oculi (talk) 10:43, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Imperial Chinese government officials by province

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCLOCATION, trivial intersection between occupation and province where people grew up. A second merge target is not needed because articles are already categorized by city or county within every province. If these categories are not merged, then at least rename "politicians" to "government officials" per precedent 1 and 2. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kings of Syria

Nominator's rationale: merge redundant category layer as we already have categories of Seleucid kings by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Barons of Bernberg

Nominator's rationale: merge, the category only contains one article, about a landgrave in North Carolina. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gates in the United Arab Emirates

Nominator's rationale: Only contains one entry, which is not really a gate. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Commercial buildings in the United Arab Emirates

Nominator's rationale: This will only contain one category after the below nomination. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Museums in the Emirate of Abu Dhabi

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer. Contains only two subcategories that can be reached via other paths from all parents. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pyramids in Dubai

Nominator's rationale: Only one entry. The parent Category:Pyramids in the United Arab Emirates has no other members. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Skyscraper hotels in the United Arab Emirates by city

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer. This is the only subcategory of its parent. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Skyscraper office buildings in the United Arab Emirates by city

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer. This is the only subcategory of its parent. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Office buildings in the United Arab Emirates

Nominator's rationale. Pointless category layer. Only content is Category:Skyscraper office buildings in the United Arab Emirates by city and Dubai International Financial Centre, which is not an office building. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Buildings and structures in Dubai by condition

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Recipients of the Naguib Mahfouz Medal for Literature

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD, WP:PERFCAT, WP:NONDEFINING
The American University in Cairo has an annual project where they pick a worthy book in Arabic, translate it into English, and then publish it through their University Press. The Naguib Mahfouz Medal for Literature definitely fits the school's cross-cultural mission. This category groups authors who wrote the winning books but those biography articles don't treat this award as defining, generally listing it with other honours. The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prix Jean Freustié winners

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD, WP:NONDEFINING
The Jean Freustié Prize is a literary award from France given to French-language authors of "prose work: a novel, short story, autobiography, biography or essay". The author articles don't treat this award as defining, generally listing it with other honours. This is one of many French literary award categories created in late 2016/early 2017. The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_June_24&diff=prev&oldid=1162646298

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