Association of Football Statisticians

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fails WP:GNG, no WP:SIGCOV All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• This has an entry of over a page in a print encyclopedia from a reliable publisher, as well as other sources. Do we aspire to cover less than such print encyclopedias? Phil Bridger (talk) 17:17, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  "Over a page" is disingenuous. It has three paragraphs of coverage. One paragraph of which is that they collect "interesting and informative information", and then mentions examples of some of the facts they have used. That leaves two paragraphs, much of which of the remaining information is now outdated as this encyclopaedia is from 2002. Do you really think this is significant coverage? All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:53, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  There is nothing disingenuous about saying that an encyclopedia entry about the subject of over a page has over a page. That it consists of three long paragraphs rather than ten short ones is neither here nor there. And yes, this is very clearly significant coverage. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Football, and United Kingdom. Shellwood (talk) 17:44, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 19:15, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:16, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  For a start there were two in the article before you made that comment, and many more can be found by clicking on "books" and "scholar" above. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep There's been a fair bit of coverage in newspapers over the years especially with regard to its founder Ray Spiller who seems to have been edited out of the article, a couple of examples: The Independent (22 Nov 1997) Football: Ray Spiller has turned a hobby into a priceless commodity - and that commodity is information and the Daily Mirror (29 Dec 1996) I turn women off says the real Statto Piecesofuk (talk) 14:26, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  One article with one mention of this organisation, one article with zero mentions of this organisation. At a push, this guy may pass GNG, as the latter article says he also had his own television show as well, but the organisation definitely doesn't pass. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 18:42, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I didn't have time to go through the hundreds of other mentions in the British Newspaper Archive, Proquest and archive.org Piecesofuk (talk) 20:14, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  I mean out of all the hundreds of other mentions to have picked one that didn't even mention the organisation, I guess that was just bad luck huh. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  They were to show that Ray Spiller was behind the organization the details which you seemed to have recently removed from the article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Association_of_Football_Statisticians&type=revision&diff=1095095045&oldid=1095095006&diffmode=source Piecesofuk (talk) 03:46, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Links to British Newspaper Archive results and archive.org results https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=%22association%20of%20football%20statisticians%22&retrievecountrycounts=false https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22association+of+football+statisticians%22&sin=TXT a separate search can also be carried out at Proquest https://www-proquest-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/?accountid=196403 Piecesofuk (talk) 03:53, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Literally nothing in any of those are WP:SIGCOV. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 17:31, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Just show you know this is probabally the third time User:ItsKesha has tagged this article for deletion which was declined and had previosuly received a severe administartor warning for this persistant behavior, check the talk page history that he tried to hide: [1] Dilbaggg (talk) 19:55, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]