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:I don't even get to respond to the extremely disingenuous "arbitration", huh? Because I accurately updated articles? What a joke. [[User:Randomdude87|Randomdude87]] ([[User talk:Randomdude87#top|talk]]) 08:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
:I don't even get to respond to the extremely disingenuous "arbitration", huh? Because I accurately updated articles? What a joke. [[User:Randomdude87|Randomdude87]] ([[User talk:Randomdude87#top|talk]]) 08:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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===Comment by Sweet6970===
I am the other user referred to above. I am baffled by {{u|Sideswipe9th}}’s statement in the AE report {{tq|Since creating their account on 26 February 2024, this user has been almost exclusively requesting removals of content from List of people killed for being transgender. }}

This is not correct – they have been engaging in the discussion which, in effect, I initiated, about whether the killing of Fred Martinez should be included. I think the inclusion is dubious. But I note that Randomdude has, as they have said, provided a new source which '''''supports''''' inclusion. This is evidence of '''complete good faith'''.

I do not understand the blocking reason ‘pretty self explanatory’ – it doesn’t explain itself to me. Randomdude is an inexperienced user who does not understand the taboos on Wikipedia, but is plainly in good faith.

By the way, I did not participate in the AE discussion because I was not aware it was going on – it started in the middle of the night, after I had logged off, and finished before I woke up. [[User:Sweet6970|Sweet6970]] ([[User talk:Sweet6970|talk]]) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

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====Statement by Randomdude87====
1. I never once blamed the victim; the accusation is unwarranted and offensive. Did anybody even review these insane accusations?
If accurately describing a male-to-male sexual encounter is a ban-worthy violation, I seriously question Wikipedia's ability to curate factual information. Yes, their behavior was deceitful, absolutely.
A trans-woman can't identify out of biological sex - this isn't debatable. Preventing heterosexual men from discovering your penis and testicles, knowing they're only interested in natal females, is definitively deceitful.
Beyond lying by omission, some claimed they were on their period to persuade these men into having anal sex. If referencing your non-existent female sex organs isn't an example of lying, what is it then? It's very clear these men wouldn't have consented to these encounters if they were aware.
It's extremely offensive that you're deciding it's not rape when they're clearly not voluntary participants in these encounters. Consent is not suggested, it is required for EVERYBODY to give, including heterosexual males looking for females. To suggest otherwise is operating outside of reality.
Acknowledging this doesn't suggest the victims deserved to die. Christ.
Furthermore, this was a Talk question for community feedback, not an edit to a live page. These men felt raped, which is a different motive. If you disagree, why not just address it there?
2. Your criticism seems disingenuous, as if suggesting I fabricated the quote (and for no reason). I referenced a source directly and used "allegedly" due to uncertain exact wording. But her challenging him by referencing her sex is fully supported elsewhere, too: According to her friends, Ms. Milan told the man that she, too, was a man and asked him whether he wanted to fight.
It's a fairly crucial detail shouldn't be omitted. With her announcing that she is male, there's no denying whether the perpetrator knew she was a trans-woman or not. It also highlights another crucial detail - she challenged him to a fair fight, which he allegedly declined.
Only when she turned to walk away, a universal sign of de-escalation, did he engage physically. And only with a weapon. It leaves no doubt that he knew: she wasn't a threat, she was transgender, she believed the confrontation was over. It relays the reality that this was a deliberate attempt at ending her life.
Everything I wrote is supported by the citations and I consider it an improvement to the original. If anything was against Wiki's editorial guidelines, it was a genuine mistake.
Other
- It shouldn't be held against me for focusing on few articles. You're arbitrarily deciding it's a sign of something sinister. I spent a good chunk of time fact-checking those quotes and fail to see how it could be perceived as anything but fair and accurate.
- I don't consider it fair or impartial that those who explicitly share ALL of your biases on this subject showed up immediately to agree with you. Neither offered any actual criticism or reasoning to their statements. None even mentioned what was wrong with them? It isn't fair arbitration if they make their decisions before I've shared my side.
- This is petty. It's sad that you care more about misrepresenting transgender deaths for your cause than accuracy. And it really sucks that Wikipedia is completely captured, but not surprising.
- It's not "transphobia" to correctly call out rape for what it is. It's absolutely insane that people like this, defending rape of heterosexual men, have such an influence on the internet to spread lies.
Pointing Out Misattributed Quotes
I have no idea why this was an issue, other than your cult has to make up accusations to silence truth.
When researching more for that list, I came upon the Amanda Milan article. Researching her killing, I noticed the Wiki summary was written confusingly, conflating the given sources and incorrectly describing the sequence of events. I also updated a few of the links to current versions, including the reference meta-data.
I then realized tons of the quotes were completely misattributed to an egregious level. And I provided citations that link to the actual pages in the book they came from. This took me quite a while, actually, and I thought it'd be considered helpful to highlight them for the original author to fix. I'm honestly not seeing what the issue is here? It's that I am improving pages by updating them with factual information? Sorry, but when I see egregious errors in quotes like that, my trust in Wikipedia drops. Seeing how corrections are handled by reporting me to some trial board has only furthered this distrust.
Your Repeated Attempts to Shoehorn Non-Trans Related Deaths
Myself and another user both noted the serious problems we found in your criteria for admittance to the "killed for being transgender" list. It seems like this report has more to do with that, obviously.
It's clear to me that you care about advocating for trans-rights first, by any means necessary, with Wikipedia content secondary. I do not believe this should have more importance than remaining neutral and accurate. And despite what you think, it's not helpful to trans-lives.
Good Faith
You accuse me of not operating in good faith, but your evidence are examples of my contributions improving the pages in question. I pointed out completely misattributed quotes, which I honestly feel should be deleted outright due to inaccuracy.
Instead of deleting, I found the book pages and linked them for the author to update. That's not operating in good faith? It's not east to fact-check quotes that are references to ISBN numbers or whatever. It actually took a decent chunk of time for me to update that page, too.
A couple of us also pointed out flaws in your logic regarding the Fred Martinez inclusion in the "transgender killings" page. While I don't at all think it should be included, I still provided a better example for YOUR case that I stumbled upon. The entire back-and-forth was you ignoring the motives given by the authorities to seemingly shoehorn in a death that didn't fit. Myself and the other user both noted this.
Later on, I came across a quote from the time period of the murder that completely supported your stance, much better than your original sources (which you called "weaksauce"). And I didn't have to provide it to you. But I did because I believed it'd improve the page, even if I ultimately disagreed with that entry. And you're accusing me of operating in bad faith for some reason. It's frustrating that your goal isn't to work together with me to improve these pages.
I think it's shameful that you utilize these deaths to further your ideology. This isn't what Wikipedia is for. It is legitimately concerning that those who deny our biological sex are so influential on encyclopedic material with dominant search result. Madness.


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Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a report involving you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement regarding a possible violation of an Arbitration Committee decision. The thread is Randomdude87. Thank you. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't even get to respond to the extremely disingenuous "arbitration", huh? Because I accurately updated articles? What a joke. Randomdude87 (talk) 08:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment by Sweet6970

I am the other user referred to above. I am baffled by Sideswipe9th’s statement in the AE report Since creating their account on 26 February 2024, this user has been almost exclusively requesting removals of content from List of people killed for being transgender.

This is not correct – they have been engaging in the discussion which, in effect, I initiated, about whether the killing of Fred Martinez should be included. I think the inclusion is dubious. But I note that Randomdude has, as they have said, provided a new source which supports inclusion. This is evidence of complete good faith.

I do not understand the blocking reason ‘pretty self explanatory’ – it doesn’t explain itself to me. Randomdude is an inexperienced user who does not understand the taboos on Wikipedia, but is plainly in good faith.

By the way, I did not participate in the AE discussion because I was not aware it was going on – it started in the middle of the night, after I had logged off, and finished before I woke up. Sweet6970 (talk) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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