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:::I'm sure there have been prophets of Wikipedia's impending doom ever since the project began, but I sincerely doubt that Wikipedia's demise will come about because of implosion from within. It's much more likely that it will survive until '''''something better comes along''''', which, at this point, would probably have to be a commercial venture. At some point, some sharp cookie is going to see the profit potential in an online encyclopedia, and if they've got the bucks, a project set up to be a collaboration of volunteer editors, but with a more coherent and effective administrative and oversight structure, would probably spell the end of Wikipedia, since they'll have all of our faults to learn from. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 20:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC) |
:::I'm sure there have been prophets of Wikipedia's impending doom ever since the project began, but I sincerely doubt that Wikipedia's demise will come about because of implosion from within. It's much more likely that it will survive until '''''something better comes along''''', which, at this point, would probably have to be a commercial venture. At some point, some sharp cookie is going to see the profit potential in an online encyclopedia, and if they've got the bucks, a project set up to be a collaboration of volunteer editors, but with a more coherent and effective administrative and oversight structure, would probably spell the end of Wikipedia, since they'll have all of our faults to learn from. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 20:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC) |
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::::Does that mean I would get ''paid'' for unblocking Drmies?--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 20:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC) |
::::Does that mean I would get ''paid'' for unblocking Drmies?--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 20:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC) |
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:::::I'm sure they'd find some system of "paying" editors in points, or rank, or the equivalent of barnstars and Wikilove. If they're there to make money, the less they give away, the more they'd get to keep.<p>What's more important is that a coherent and rational top-down system of rules would probably have much less individual interpretation of what is and isn't a transgression, and (I would suspect) some sort of sliding scale whereby newbie editors would be given a break, and well-established editors would be also be given some leeway in light of their value to the project - so that Drmies would never have been blocked in the first place. We '''''almost''''' have that ''de facto'' now, except for those foolish people who insist that everyone should be treated '''''precisely and exactly the same''''', no matter have much they've given - a serious mistake, in my view, because we're here to create an encyclopedia, that's our paramount concern, and whatever "community" comes about is a mere by-product. It's the friction between those two viewpoints that fuels the periodic eruptions such as the one yesterday. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 23:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC) |
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- I never thought I'd see a section anywhere called "block of Drmies" and now my history is full of such references. Time to re-evaluate what I'm not doing right here. In the meantime, happy new year to all, including IP vandals, socks and masters, IP99, abusive admins, non-abusive admins, allegedly enabling admins, abusive content contributors, bots, vandal bots, dramahmongererers, ArbCom members, Jimbo, Badmachine, the Lady, Mandarax, Bbb, Ironholds, Dennis, Mandarax (again), MF, Floquenbeam, MONGO, Scottywong, Dougweller, and everyone else. Try to keep it clean and remember we're supposed to be here to write articles and help others write articles. Drmies (talk) 15:58, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- Glad to hear you're taking a bit of a break, but please don't "re-evaluate" yourself off of the project entirely, that would very bad indeed. Happy New Year, and I hope you enjoy the Notre Dame/Alabama game. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:12, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- After saying Whoever speaks a word of consolation ..., here's consolation anyway: at least he didn't say enjoy your vacation, but I do say it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia seems to have deterioted 3x quicker in the last week than it did the last few years. It has jumped a few of the loops of the death spiral, unfortunately closer to death.—cyberpower ChatOffline 19:39, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what I've noticed too.--Elvey (talk) 19:45, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sure there have been prophets of Wikipedia's impending doom ever since the project began, but I sincerely doubt that Wikipedia's demise will come about because of implosion from within. It's much more likely that it will survive until something better comes along, which, at this point, would probably have to be a commercial venture. At some point, some sharp cookie is going to see the profit potential in an online encyclopedia, and if they've got the bucks, a project set up to be a collaboration of volunteer editors, but with a more coherent and effective administrative and oversight structure, would probably spell the end of Wikipedia, since they'll have all of our faults to learn from. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- Does that mean I would get paid for unblocking Drmies?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sure they'd find some system of "paying" editors in points, or rank, or the equivalent of barnstars and Wikilove. If they're there to make money, the less they give away, the more they'd get to keep.
What's more important is that a coherent and rational top-down system of rules would probably have much less individual interpretation of what is and isn't a transgression, and (I would suspect) some sort of sliding scale whereby newbie editors would be given a break, and well-established editors would be also be given some leeway in light of their value to the project - so that Drmies would never have been blocked in the first place. We almost have that de facto now, except for those foolish people who insist that everyone should be treated precisely and exactly the same, no matter have much they've given - a serious mistake, in my view, because we're here to create an encyclopedia, that's our paramount concern, and whatever "community" comes about is a mere by-product. It's the friction between those two viewpoints that fuels the periodic eruptions such as the one yesterday. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:15, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sure they'd find some system of "paying" editors in points, or rank, or the equivalent of barnstars and Wikilove. If they're there to make money, the less they give away, the more they'd get to keep.
- Does that mean I would get paid for unblocking Drmies?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:24, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sure there have been prophets of Wikipedia's impending doom ever since the project began, but I sincerely doubt that Wikipedia's demise will come about because of implosion from within. It's much more likely that it will survive until something better comes along, which, at this point, would probably have to be a commercial venture. At some point, some sharp cookie is going to see the profit potential in an online encyclopedia, and if they've got the bucks, a project set up to be a collaboration of volunteer editors, but with a more coherent and effective administrative and oversight structure, would probably spell the end of Wikipedia, since they'll have all of our faults to learn from. Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:01, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's what I've noticed too.--Elvey (talk) 19:45, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Could somebody look at the mess that is Jerry Speziale. I've got an editor harassing me and I'd like to stay away from them, but this page needs some massive editing. Bgwhite (talk) 22:59, 30 December 2012 (UTC)