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== MTM ==

Take a look, BMK. It ain't the last "good" version. [[Special:Contributions/71.95.39.226|71.95.39.226]] ([[User talk:71.95.39.226|talk]]) 07:52, 25 January 2013 (UTC)08:02, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

== how to make a archive page? ==

Hello Beyond My Ken, how do you make a archive page for my talk page? When it is February, I would like to put October 2012 - January 2013 so how do I put a archive page for my talk page? --[[User:Starship9000|Starship9000]] ([[User talk:Starship9000|talk]]) 14:38, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

:Take a look at [[WP:ARCHIVE]], you'll find there several methods for archiving a talk page. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 14:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

ok, I think I got it now. --[[User:Starship9000|Starship9000]] ([[User talk:Starship9000|talk]]) 17:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

== Dimal ==

Hi , I have a few questions

1) Why We can not have a profile wiki picture of the full size , not the portrait

2) Why We can not have reference list in 3 columns .

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== Multiple citations for a claim ==

Since all of your animosity toward me started with the deleting of several citations that were next to each other, I thought I should share a solution that I found. One argument went with how several citations next to each other increases reading difficulty. Another worried that maybe one day one or two citations could today be reliable yet later turn out to be unreliable sources. [[Stephen Glass]] comes to mind. With many citations for each claim, no problem, just delete the ones now found to be unreliable and the claim remains because it still has other reliable sources already in place. I found a solution that can make both parties happy. It is called [[Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Bundling_citations|citation bundling]]. The people who want only a single footnote for readability get that, and the people who want multiple citations to ensure reliability get what they want at the same time. Everyone wins. --[[User:Id4abel|Abel]] ([[User talk:Id4abel|talk]]) 02:01, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

== Commons images ==

I'm not sure if you're aware, but if you're not, a number of your photo uploads are addressed in [[Commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright#Category:Plaques in the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum|this discussion]].&nbsp;[[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']]&nbsp;[[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] 19:54, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

:No, I wasn't aware, so thanks for the note, but it really doesn't matter. Ever since someone pushed the issue of HoF plaques last year I've been expecting it. I think the decision taken then to delete them was (and is) perfectly idiotic, a prime example of strict adherence to policy without a hint of rational thought or recognition of the reality of the situation (which is that the HoF doesn't give a damn, but can't issue licenses because of their own need to control unauthorized use of the plaques, for instance by commercial interests). That there are people who would hurt the value of the Commons repository rather than allow themselves to deal with reality is infuriating, but inevitable. I'd already begun to think of those images as being deleted. Thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 20:06, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

::Sorry, "common sense" was the phrase I was groping for and couldn't find while I was writing the above. The folks who are pushing for HoF plaque images to be deleted exhibit no common sense. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 22:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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== Any reason ==

In particular you hid my comment on the ANI thread. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 18:41, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

:Yes, closing comments are supposed to be neutral, and yours was not. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 18:46, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

::Please point me to the policy which supports your position. [[User:Darkness Shines|Darkness Shines]] ([[User talk:Darkness Shines|talk]]) 18:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

== Thaliad in Cooperstown article ==

Dear Ken

I'm puzzled why you have removed my reference to Thaliad from the Cooperstown article for a second time. You asked for a reference, and I left it with three references - 1 to another article on Wikipedia, 2 to a substantial critical review on a blog, and 3 to the published book itself, with ISBN. The information is true and verifiable.

If you have a problem with the blog reference in particular, the published book reference should suffice.

I see in your earlier deletion comment that you suspected promotion. I have read Thaliad and was so impressed with its imaginative world that I wanted to see where it had been set. I read about Glimmerglass and Cooperstown on Wikipedia and found other literary connections discussed but no mention of Thaliad, though it is clearly the principle location for the book. That struck me as a matter of interest.

I hope this will satisfy your reservations, but if not perhaps you would explain.

Peter

[[User:Widgery|Widgery]] ([[User talk:Widgery|talk]]) 15:00, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

:In fact, you provided no references from [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] at all. One references simply shows that the book has been published, which does nothing whatsoever to establish its [[WP:N|notability]], and the other was to a review in a blog, which is not an acceptable source, per [[WP:SPS]]. Please do not re-add the material without a references from a source that is acceptable according to our policies.<p>Also, I must ask: are you connected in any way with the author, the book or the publisher? If so, please read [[Wp:COI]]. Thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 15:08, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Dear Ken

Thanks for this. Notability is a criterion for creating an article in Wikipedia, not for every piece of factual information in an article, so it is not relevant to this point. However, Marly Youmans clearly passes the test of notability. She is an award-winning writer whose novels and poetry volumes have been published in the USA, the UK and Canada by leading commercial publishers and university presses.

Regarding the sources, the book stands as a published source that shows that 1. a book called Thaliad has been written by Marly Youmans, 2. that the story is set at a village next to Glimmerglass (which was Fenimore Cooper's name for Otsego Lake) and 3. (in the biographical note at the end of the book) that the author lives in Cooperstown. The substantial blog review is a critical source that adds interest to the discussion of the book, but I would have no particular concern about that being omitted if you feel that would improve the article.

With regard to your question, no, I have no conflict of interest in writing about the book. I met the author in 2011 and I have read Thaliad and one other of her books.

Peter

[[User:Widgery|Widgery]] ([[User talk:Widgery|talk]]) 18:22, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

:If she is as notable as you say, then you will have no problem finding a citation from a reliable source to back up the material. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:41, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

There are numerous reliable sources to demonstrate her seriousness as an author but I will select one or two as more would be disproportionate in this brief mention. The published edition of Thaliad itself remains a primary source for her living in Cooperstown and using it as a location, which is entirely allowable in this context. I would be grateful if you would comment to me with any suggestions rather than continuing to delete my material. It would be very strange if a section specifically about Cooperstown authors did not include a widely published author who lives there and sets fiction there. Nevertheless, I am pleased that you are seeking to assure the accuracy of articles, which is a proper Wikipedian institution.

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:I've edited what you put in - the two sources are indeed reliable and establish that she is notable enough to include in the article, but I removed the [[WP:PEACOCK]] stuff about her mastery of poetic forms, etc. Even though it's sourced, she's still only a minor writer, and to include that much about her violates [[WP:WEIGHT]] and [[WP:PROMO]]. Technically, you should also have a secondary source to show that she wrote about the Coopertown area in ''Thaliad'' - primary sources are generally only used in very limited ways (see [[WP:PRIMARY]]) - but I think it'll slide by. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 23:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Dear Ken

I agree with your edit, and indeed the reference got so long only to ensure a higher standard of evidence. Many thanks. I'm glad it's turned out well in the end.

Best wishes

Peter[[User:Widgery|Widgery]] ([[User talk:Widgery|talk]]) 20:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

== Apologies ==

fat fingers and a small tablet are not a good combination to try and use a watchlist on and I accidentally rolled back one of your edits. It was corrected so no harm done but I hope you will accept my apology for the screw up. [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] ^{''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]''} 16:55, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

:No problem, thanks for letting me know. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

== Oxford comma ==

The Oxford comma is the Harvard comma. It is the serial comma. [http://www.bartleby.com/141/strunk.html Strunk and White require it], as do all good grammarians in the US -- and I've never seen a top US grammarian that said it was unacceptable. (and, as I said -- great adds to the article; really, excellent).--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 04:44, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:Much to my surprise, you are correct about Strunk & White. However, the ''New York Times Manual of Style and Usage'' (1999) is perhaps more reflective of modern usage. It says (p.74): <blockquote>'''In general, do not use a comma before ''and'' or ''or'' in a series: ''The snow stalled cars, buses and trains.'''''</blockquote> In my experience, this is the norm in American usage. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 04:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::I've asked [[User:Drmies]] if he would drop by and weigh in. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 04:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:::I've actually spent a good deal of time on this ITRW, over the past decades. In short, the Harvard comma/Oxford comma is more American than English. The Chicago Manual of Style follows it. Strunk and White -- grammarians, not a style book -- require it. Top level academic publications, such as the Blue Book, require one to follow Strunk and White. The most important reason to use it -- apart from following grammarians -- is to avoid ambiguity. Which it does. I could wax eloquent on that if you like. But in short, there is great reason to use it (and if we follow what we do with dates, we lean towards acceptable first-user convention). Though I would say it should be convention even if the second user raises it. OK if we re-add?--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 05:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::::Sure, if you feel strongly about it, no problem. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 05:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::Many thanks. You may find [http://www.legalwritingpro.com/articles/C13-four-usage-fights.php this] interesting reading. Best. And again -- superb job on the article.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 05:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::::::Thanks very much - and thank '''''you''''' for getting it off to a good start. I have a couple of other sources here that I'll take a look at, but probably not until tomorrow. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 05:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::::If you like, once your adds are in, I expect if we can come up with a hook we can move it to DYK, as a joint submission.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 08:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::::: In the UK it is normal to omit the so-called ''Oxford comma''.

::::::::* [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qrndAQAACAAJ The ''Times'' Style and Usage Guide (2003) p&nbsp;139] proscribes its omission by using the example: "say 'he ate bread, butter and jam' rather than 'he ate bread, butter, and jam{{' "}}

::::::::* [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VaJTPwAACAAJ Copy-editing: The Cambridge Handbook ... (1992) pp.&nbsp;156&ndash;157] advises: "[a] comma should be consistently omitted or included before the final 'and' or 'or' in lists of three or more items"

::::::::* [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gDzQklrA8MUC The Oxford Guide to Style (2002) pp.&nbsp;121&ndash;122] naturally vigorously defends its inclusion: "Given that the final comma is sometimes necessary to prevent ambiguity, it is logical to impose it uniformly, ..." and "[it] forms a routine part of style in US and Canadian English".

:::::::: How's that for balance? <small>links are to a Google Books version of my own print edition</small>--<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Senra|Senra]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Senra|talk]])</span> 13:40, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::::: As an afterthought, [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=c3ETv37GqfcC Truss (2003)] reminds us that the panda "[e]ats shoots and leaves" not "[e]ats, shoots, and leaves"? --<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Senra|Senra]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Senra|talk]])</span> 14:21, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::::::::Boy oh boy, nothing gets me more than a missing Oxford comma. Here's a perfect example of why it should always be required in lists "Amanda found herself in the Winnebago with her ex-boyfriend, an herbalist and a pet detective." vs. "Amanda found herself in the Winnebago with her ex-boyfriend, an herbalist, and a pet detective." In the first instance her ex-boyfriend is an herbalist and a pet detective (or at least it appears that way), in the second, she's in the Winnebago with three people).&nbsp;[[User:Ryan Vesey|'''''Ryan''''']]&nbsp;[[User talk:Ryan Vesey|'''''Vesey''''']] 14:58, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::::::::: Ahhh...she's a mere comma away from simply being in a ménage a trois to being a flat-out 'ho. ([[User talk:Bwilkins|✉→]]'''[[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]]'''[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|←✎]]) 15:02, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::::::::::Mind your manners, Bwilkins, as long as you have no idea what was going on in the Winnebago or why. I smell the assumption of sexism and heteronormativity as well. I dispute that Strunk and White are (or are writing their guide as) grammarians. Grammarians should have little to say about style, which is what this discussion is all about. That Legal Writing Pro article is interesting but it is, of course, the American take, with American jurisprudence. No one could ever mandate a serial comma (outside of specific professions etc.), certainly not here, but there are some general guidelines, IMO. For starters, it seems clear to me that it probably should be used in articles on US topics but not necessarily in articles on English/British whatever topics, along the lines of the labor/labour distinction: this reflects the general usage of US vs. BE writers. Good arguments can be given ''for'' its usage, esp. in specific contexts such as the ones above (and the list can be expanded ''ad infinitum''), but it cannot be dictated: too often it is forgotten that punctuation is governed by rules of behavior, not by rules of grammar--arguments pro and con are usually semantic and contextual (that is, they discuss meaning and clarity, which aren't grammatical concepts--at least not anymore).<p>I'm US-trained, so I use and favor the serial comma; in fact, I can't see good arguments against it besides tradition, but that is a shortcoming on my part, not a strength. FWIW, my comma usage in other contexts has been (de-)(re-)formed greatly by working with Malleus, and a draft article I just gave to a colleague was returned with a suggested twenty thousand additional commas. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 17:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::::::::On simply the common sense front -- not always the focus when it comes to grammar and to style -- the serial comma may help avoid ambiguity in certain cases. And it never harms. As a second point, if I recall correctly, the reason that some papers in the old days developed a habit of not using it was to save space -- when space was quite dear. Of course, on wp, we don't quite have the same issue.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 18:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

{{out}} Thanks to everyone, this is great stuff, and I learned quite a bit, which always pleases me. (Feel free to add more above this, if anyone wishes to.) [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 19:58, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

== Response to your question at Arbcom ==

I have already used up my 500 words, so I am answering here. The problem is the following, from the best imaginable sources short of a court verdict:

:''"Ms. James downloaded images from Dr. Bailey’s Web site of his children, taken when they were in middle and elementary school, and posted them on her own site, with sexually explicit captions that she provided.'' [http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/health/psychology/21gender.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0]

:''Unlike Conway, James considered even Bailey’s family and non-professional friends fair game in her own branch of the “investigation.” So, in 2005, James obtained pictures of Bailey’s girlfriend from 2003 and mounted a special page mocking her. It included a visual feature that morphed Bailey’s girlfriend’s face into Bailey’s face from his high school yearbook picture—presumably implying Bailey is autogynephilic, though the exact meaning is unclear. Bailey’s now-ex-girlfriend has asked James to take down the page to no avail; it is still the first page you get when you Internet-search that woman’s name (Bailey to Dreger, personal communication, September 19, 2006).''

:''In May 2003, James created a special portion of her site to go after Bailey’s children. In her own words, this special page was “a very coarse and mean-spirited screed, designed to reflect what I consider [Bailey’s] own motivations to be. […] A taste of his own medicine.” For this project, James took from Bailey’s homepage photos of his son Drew and daughter Kate when they were in junior high and primary school, respectively. She then superimposed black bands over their eyes, presumably to mimic the dehumanizing pictures of trans people in the medical literature. Under the picture of Drew, using mostly a line from Bailey’s book about transwomen, she added the caption, “There are also kids like ‘Drew’ who work as waiters, hairdressers, receptionists, strippers, and prostitutes, as well as in many other occupations.” Meanwhile James labeled Kate’s picture this way: “‘Kate’: a cock-starved exhibitionist, or a paraphiliac who just gets off on the idea of it? We’ll find out in 12 easy questions!” In an update on this page, James delighted “that professionals are reading this page and acting with disgust.” Indeed, the negative reactions she was getting made her decide to ratchet up her satirical analogizing of Bailey’s book to his children. She now imagined “a classification system to categorize Bailey’s children. There are two types of children in the Bailey household: Type 1, who have been sodomized by their father, or Type 2, who have not” (James, 2003a).''

:''James did eventually take enough flak over her mockery of Bailey’s children that she withdrew the special page about them. She claims on her site that she issued via Drew Bailey a sincere apology to him, his sister, and his mother (James, n.d.-f), but Drew Bailey says she did nothing of the sort, even after he contacted her to defend himself and his sister: “there was nothing in her response that could have been reasonably interpreted as a sincere apology” (Drew Bailey, 2006). In our conversation, Drew, now 22 years old, added, “Something [else] that really bothered me involved her characterization of our family dynamic. She said that my father had abandoned us, that we were his ‘ex family.’ That really hurt because it is completely untrue” (Drew Bailey, 2006). I asked Michael Bailey if it is possible that Andrea James was referring to the terms of his divorce in speaking of his alleged “abandonment.” Bailey replied that the divorce had been friendly. When I asked if he had any evidence of that, he thought a moment, and remembered that he and his then-wife Deb had used the same divorce lawyer (Bailey, 2006a).'' [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170124/?tool=pmcentrez]

:''Once it became clear Lawrence was going to stick with the theory she found most correct, James mounted an extensive attack on Lawrence’s professional reputation, publicizing an incident where Lawrence was charged with professional misconduct. The fact that Lawrence was ultimately fully cleared appears nowhere on James’s “exposé” of the events (Lawrence, 2006a).'' [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170124/?tool=pmcentrez]

:''Although Triea and the transkids knew the extent of the anger against Bailey, they never imagined that so much of it would be directed toward them for daring to defend Blanchard and Bailey. She recalls:''

::''We had been working on the transkids.us site for several months and when it was done we announced it in various places. The very next morning, one of the transkids called on the phone in a panic, really scared, because overnight news of our website had caused such outrage on the Internet. Andrea James was saying “if you have any information about any of these people give it to me.” I looked at two of the forums, the worst ones, and the outpouring of hatred and violence was just unbelievable. It was frightening because I had never seen anything like that. They were saying things like we needed to be “infiltrated and taken out” or “vectored and destroyed,” all this military stuff! (Triea, 2006)''

:''Triea told me, “We talked about taking the website down, because we didn’t want anyone to get hurt” (Triea, 2006). But in the end, they left it up and continued to post new material occasionally. The fact that the transkids have occasionally criticized some of Bailey’s book (see, e.g., Velasquez, 2004) did not seem to mollify James. James’ site still calls for readers to send in any “email, attachment or photo from” the transkids.us writers “for analysis by our investigators. We need to vector and expose this kind of online fakery before someone takes them seriously” (James, n.d.-d).'' [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170124/?tool=pmcentrez]

This is criminal behaviour and severe harassment of a kind that can easily cause suicides. I am not sure if AJ is psychopathic, puts her personal sex drive above everything else, is merely mentally unstable, or whatever else makes her behave like that. And I certainly should not have to worry about that as a Wikipedia editor, and about whether she is now going to do something similar with my kid. Unfortunately there are diffs which demonstrate AJ's unusual interest in finding out the real-life identity of at least one Wikipedia editor.

Any responsible website operator has to stop such individuals in exactly the same way as they have to stop other dangerous individuals from seriously endangering other users. I know only one precedent where the Foundation has actually done that, so I have alluded to that even though it concerns a class of people that by pure accident is uncomfortably close the present case. The cases are parallel in that these people are blocked for personal character traits regardless of any on-wiki actions. (For any further details on that aspect see the discussion on my talk page.) Now that the matter has reached Arbcom, it is doubtful that the Foundation will be able to argue that it didn't know about the problem should something go horribly wrong. The establishment of Arbcom is part of the Foundation's due diligence, but only to the extent that Arbcom is actually effective. If Arbcom doesn't forward serious cases such as this, a judge might well decide that the Foundation has the obligation to closely monitor Arbcom and other community processes. [[User talk:Hans Adler|Hans Adler]] 18:37, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:Those concerns should be addressed to the WMF legal department, not to ArbCom. It's not ArbCom's job to worry about the Foundation's legal liability, so they have no reason to kick the case upstairs. If the Foundation is concerned, they can just take the case. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:22, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::I think it's more appropriate for such things to go through Arbcom, as WMF might otherwise be overwhelmed with such requests. (I am certainly not planning to put it there myself.) Also, what I have probably not made clear enough: I am worried for the safety of identifiable Arbcom members who vote for measures against AJ. They are in a situation structurally similar (though obviously a lot less dangerous) to that of Italian judges in high-profile mafia cases. In my opinion any action against AJ should be either anonymous (a collective Arbcom statement after a non-public vote) or come from someone who is paid for taking the risk. [[User talk:Hans Adler|Hans Adler]] 22:49, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

:::Precisely. It's a no-win COI situation. If an arbitrator recuses or declines to comment, the community should wonder if they are (very sensibly) doing it to protect themselves. If an arbitrator finds in favor of the person, or declines to oppose them, the community should wonder if they are (very sensibly) doing it to protect themselves. An individual editor (or a committee of identifable individuals) should not have to deal with this. The community should tell Arbcom to tell the WMF to handle it. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 23:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

==Hi, friend==

I have written a proposed remedy to the Richard Arthur Norton affair, to be taken to AN/I in the event that ArbCom defers the case. Since the original thread is hatted, the proposal has been made on his talk page ([[User_talk:Richard_Arthur_Norton_(1958-_)]]). As you were a participant in the original thread, I would very much appreciate your comments as to whether the proposed remedy satisfies your concerns. Thanks, —Tim /// [[User:Carrite|Carrite]] ([[User talk:Carrite|talk]]) 23:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

== Starship9000 comments ==

Your comment on Kudpung's page appears to suggest that, first, an IP associated with Starship9000 made certain edits, then, Starship9000 said that he would no longer edit from that IP. But, you appear surprised that Starship9000 ''then'' said "I will not use my IP Address"?

Why would this be surprising? --[[User:Demiurge1000|Demiurge1000]] ([[User_talk:Demiurge1000|talk]]) 23:41, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

::It was surprising because S9000 had previously been warned by Kudpung to concentrate on article edits to the exclusion of other edits, such as tagging articles for deletion, which had earned him a block recently. S9000 made the blanket statement that he had not tagged any articles, but had, in fact, used the IP to do so. When confronted, he reminded me that he had told me he wouldn't use the IP any longer, which is true, but he did that '''''after''''' he has used the IP to tag the articles, so his answer was, in fact, a ''non sequitor'', and his denial that he had not tagged any articles (since being warned by Kudpung) was untrue. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

:Starship's IP has now been anon blocked, and Startship has been given a final warning. --[[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 02:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

== Sorry about that ==

My apologies for my inadvertent revert of your edit here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=prev&oldid=536606620]. I wasn't even looking at the page, so I think my finger must have slipped while I was looking at my watchlist. Sorry. --[[User:Arxiloxos|Arxiloxos]] ([[User talk:Arxiloxos|talk]]) 00:06, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

:No problem, thanks for letting me know. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

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== Oxford comma (redux) ==

Hi. I linked to your {{oldid|User_talk:Beyond_My_Ken#Oxford_comma|537158212|above Oxford comma}} discussion {{oldid|Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#.2C_before_and_in_Am_Eng|537238199|from the reference desk/language}}. I hope you don't mind. If you do, I wont be offended if you revert my link --<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Senra|Senra]]&nbsp;([[User Talk:Senra|talk]])</span> 15:48, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

:No, no problem at all. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 20:32, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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== ANI ==

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== [[Little Moreton Hall]] ==

Hi! You may not realise it, but there is currently a debate (getting a little heated at times) on the above article's talk page about the placing, if any, of an infobox, which explains some of the edits you have reverted. It may be best to join in the debate if you want to make any more changes, or I may protect the article if people cannot resist changing it without trying hard enough to reach a consensus. At least, it appears that your change put the article back to its original position, which it probably should have stayed at anyway until a proposal had been discussed. Anyway, no criticism, just an alert for you! [[User:ddstretch|<span style="border:1px solid DarkGreen;padding:1px;"><font style="color:White;background:DarkGreen" size="0">&nbsp;DDStretch&nbsp;</font></span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:ddstretch|<font color="DarkGreen" size = "0">(talk)</font>]] 05:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

:Thanks for the note. I have no plans to edit the article any further. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 12:20, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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== Request for clarification from administrators rel Paavo273 entries at AN/I ==

Hi Administrators Beyond My Ken and MBisanz, I have read your and other administrator remarks prior to Admin Beyond My Ken closing my complaints. I was told at arbcom that arbcom was the wrong place to have filed, and at least two administrators there suggested this was the appropriate place to file. Could you gentlemen please clarify a couple things:

:1. What if any option do I still have to pursue my complaints?

:2. I was told by Admin MBisanz to reduce my complaints to 200 words, which I am of course willing to do; but then the file was closed; so I should not be reducing that closed file, correct?

:3. Do I still have the option to file at AN/I or somewhere else, only with fewer words? I understand the thing about people being busy; that makes sense.

:4. About WP:boomerang, my understanding is that would relate to some evaluation of either the same conduct for which I was originally warned or for some prior or later conduct. Is that correct thinking on my part? I have not engaged in any other controversial edits besides what I was warned about by Admin. Fut. Perf. at Talk:Continuation War, and I have made no edits to that talk page since the warning.

:5. If you could tell me what if any remaining options I have in this matter, I would be grateful.

:6. Also, for any other advice you have to offer about this.

Thanks both of you for your time and trouble to reply. [[User:Paavo273|Paavo273]] ([[User talk:Paavo273|talk]]) 05:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

::I am not an administrator. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 06:17, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

:::: Thanks for your lightning-fast reply. Okay, not admin. But you obviously understand well how the system works in order to have closed my complaints. I'd be grateful for any info or advice you can give me about these same issues. Thanks for your trouble. [[User:Paavo273|Paavo273]] ([[User talk:Paavo273|talk]]) 06:24, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

::::: Sorry, I have no advice to offer you. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 06:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

== Comment from Kumioko, using IP 108...125==

Ken please stop all the petty reversions and comments. You don't have to run around like a child proving a point to every discussion I edited telling them I am Kumioko. They no that. You also don't need to revert the edits I made to WPUS. Those edits are valid but if its more important to have errors than to prove a point about IP's editing Wikipedia space then that's fine. [[Special:Contributions/108.28.162.125|108.28.162.125]] ([[User talk:108.28.162.125|talk]]) 05:43, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

:Actually, I'm waiting for you to do the right thing and specifically identify who you are to the other editors you are interacting with, but since you apparently have no intention of doing so, I shall continue to make the community aware of who you are.<p>BTW, this is our last communication on this talk page. Any future comments here from you will be deleted unread, unless they come from the [[User:Kumioko]] account. There is no requirement that I must allow comments here from sockpuppets. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 05:47, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

::Incidentally, if anyone's interested in what's behind this interaction, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:108.28.162.125&curid=38579639&diff=539181405&oldid=539180427 here is the discussion] that Kumioko just deleted from the talk page of IP 108...125's talk. The good news is that he's at last specifically acknowledging that the IP is Kumioko. I'll be interested to see if he continues to edit with the IP, and identifies himself by his account name when he does so. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 05:53, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

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== Theater District ==

Um. Am I supposed to check with you before I close a move discussion? --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 21:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

:There was a move discussion? I was not aware of it, and the edit summary of your move didn't mention it. In any event, the move was incorrect. I invite you to look at the name of '''''any''''' Broadway theatre from their website, and you will find that that '''''all''''' use the "-re" construction. You may take my move back as a retroactive "Oppose" !vote, which makes the consensus not to move the article. (Incidentally, there's no "ENGVAR" consideration here. The common American English word is indeed "theater", but New York and other older cities on the East coast (Philadelphia, Boston), preserve the older "-re" spelling. Thus COMMONNAME comes into play.) [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

::The question is not what Broadway theaters prefer to call themselves but rather what the district is called (or how it is spelled). And that is, more often than not, Theater. Anyway, I'm not going to get into a move war with you over this. So, whatever. --[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 21:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

:::The city uses '''''both''''' "Theat'''re''' District" (or "subdistrict", depending on context) and "Theat'''er''' District", depending, I believe, on how aware the person doing the writing is of the local convention to use "theatre". It hardly makes any sense for us to have an article about a "Theat'''er''' District" which is full of dozens of "Theat'''re'''s". [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 22:11, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

::::You don't have to convince me (though I think your call is the wrong one). If no one complains, no problem. I'll just chalk this up to 'remember to leave a note when moving an article'.--[[User:RegentsPark|regentspark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 22:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

*I concur with Regents. BMK -- the key wp policies are [[WP:UCN]] and [[WP:ENGVAR]]. Not what most theaters call themselves. I would have done better to give you more info, I imagine, as to the grounds for the underlying copy-edit change. But I'm a bit surprised, given that we've worked well together, that you would revert two dozen articles with the same change within 14 minutes of leaving me a note. Especially when the reverts were against those two policies. And yes, there is a consensus discussion at [[Talk:Theatre District, New York]], a page you reverted, that the change should be made, so those reverts of my and Regents' edits were contrary to that consensus as well. I'll try to do better on giving you more info if I can anticipate that ce is not enough, and it would be great if you could wait more than 14 minutes for a response before engaging in mass reverts of me and a sysop, if you haven't checked the talkpage at the central article and haven't checked the wp policies with regard to naming convention -- either would have led you not to engage in mass reverts, I would hope, and save both of us the complete waste of time that those individual reverts took up.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 00:12, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

::The commonname is the "Theatre District". [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 00:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

:::If that's what you thought, before moving the talkpage--reverting the move by a sysop--you could have read the ample discussion ''at the very talkpage you were moving'' [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATheater_District%2C_New_York&diff=539523042&oldid=539465219 here]. Your view was considered at a community discussion. And rejected.

:::Plus, that wasn't even the reason you asserted. No, your reason for reverting the move, against the consensus on the page your were moving, was "the vast majority of theatres in Manhattan use the older "-re" spelling". That's not determinative. As is stated in both the policy and the talkpage discussion.

:::Also, see the consensus of the discussion, and the lengthy supporting material, as to what is in fact the common name. Per the consensus, the name "theater district" is in fact the common name used to describe the district by others, and the proper name for the article.

:::And yes, your reversions, without waiting for a response, coupled with your reverting a move where the talkpage consensus was clearly not in accord with your view, wasted my time. I expect much more collegiality from you, after having worked with you.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 01:11, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

::::As I mentioned above, I was not aware of the move discussion, as Regents Park had not marked the move as the result of an RM. (And the RM wasn't "advertised" on the WikiProject NYC talk page, which would have been logical to do.) If I had been aware of it, I would have approached the whole thing differently, but as I knew the move was incorrect, there didn't seem to be any reason for a big discussion, I was simply undoing someone's incorrect move. I assumed (having no reason to believe otherwise) that Regents Park was acting as an editor, not an admin.<p>In any event, looking at the discussion, if there was a consensus, it was razor thin, and COMMONNAME supports my position. With my retroactive !vote and policy arguments on both sides, the close would have been either "no consensus" or "no move", either of which would have kept the article where it was.<P>If you'd like to start another RM, please do so, I'll !vote and make my arguments, and we'll publicize it on WikiProject NYC, so there should be opinions from more editors, and the resulting consensus will be more representative. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:21, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

:::::Ah, I see you decided to move war instead. You should have listened to Regents Park, who wisely decided not to do that. Your decision was not a good one.<p>Don't bother to reply, we have nothing more to talk about on this subject. I hope you feel good about putting incorrect information into the encycylopedia. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 02:24, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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:Nonsense, Bwikins, take a closer look at my edits please, I believe you'll find there's nothing disruptive there. And, while you're at it, you might want to take a look at Epeefleeche's edits across numerous articles. He seems to have taken the change of the article [[Theatre District, New York]] to [[Theater District, New York]] as permission to change articles from the '''-re'''' version of "theatre" to the '''-er''' version "theater", regardless of what the subject is actually named. (Theatres in New York are, by and large, named with the older "-re' spelling, but Epeefleche doesn't seem to want to accept that, and is disruptively probing to find exceptions to support the "-er" spelling, which he supports.)

::But, yes, without in any way admitting that I have done anything wrong (which I have not), I'll withdraw from further discussion with [[User:Epeefleche]], on the understanding that he, too, will withdraw. If Epeefleche should continue the conflict, I shall notify you of such and endeavor not to respond myself. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 10:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

*BMK -- as requested earlier this week, please do not delete RS-supported material as you again did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Theater_District,_New_York&diff=540369218&oldid=540359311 here], and please don't start an edit war. Many thanks.--[[User:Epeefleche|Epeefleche]] ([[User talk:Epeefleche|talk]]) 21:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

:*I'm very glad to have determined that my original impression of you was correct, and I regret having been misled by our cooperation on [[Spring Street]] into thinking that you were a reasonable editor who I could work with productively.<p>I previously asked you not to post on my talk page on this subject again, now I am specifically asking to to not post here on '''''any''''' subject at '''''any''''' time, unless you, '''''personally''''', are '''''specifically''''' required to do so by Wikipedia policy. It's bad enough that I have to deal with your bullshit elsewhere, I don't want it here.<p>Any response or additional comment you make here will be deleted unread. I hope that's clear. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 21:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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== Halayeb reverts ==

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==See [[Theatre District, New York]]==

What's going on over there? We should request that a wider group of Wikipedians, including those who edit theatre articles, comment from [[WP:Theatre]] and [[WP:MUSICALS]], as this has come up again. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 03:09, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

:I've given up on it. It's not a perfect world; sometimes, the ignorant win. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 03:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

::I have notified both theatre projects. I believe that we can get a much broader consensus, and that this is important, as we should not have changes being made that are inconsistent with the way we spell [[Broadway theatre]] etc. Plus, what was done was terribly sneaky: The first discussion ended in favor of keeping it Theatre District, then this one editor undid the consensus singlehandedly and underhandedly. We should be able to change it to the proper spelling, so I encourage you to state your views again. Thanks! -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 03:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

:::I wish you luck, but you should get the history right. I created the article 6 years ago under the name "Theatre District", since I knew that to be correct. Last month, an editor started an RM for it to go to "Theater District". An admin closed it and moved it, but I believe the close was not correct, as there was no clear consensus, the RM was not publicized anywhere (meaning that only the watchers of the page -- less than 30 people -- knew about it), and some policies (i.e. WP:RETAIN) were not taken into account. I reverted the admin's action, as I thought he was acting as an editor and I had no idea there had been an RM discussion (see the discussion on this page, above). This was reverted by the editor who had started the RM, and I immediately opened a second RM. That got bogged down in that editor's propensity for long lists of "proof" for why it should be "Theater District" (none of it relevant to the actual question), and when the editor started going around changing the spelling in other articles, I got pissed off, threw him off my talk page, and left the second RM discussion. I have no idea what's happened since then, and have little interest in raising my blood pressure fighting against ignorance and obsessive behavior.<p>Feel free to use any of my previous arguments again if it would be helpful, and you can drop me a note if there's something that an additional !vote would be useful, but please don't expect to see me participating otherwise. There are other things I can more profitably spend my energy on - slamming my head against one editor's blind spot isn't what I want to do. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 04:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the history. I see that I misunderstood the first move discussion. -- [[User:Ssilvers|Ssilvers]] ([[User talk:Ssilvers|talk]]) 06:49, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

== Why are you reverting my edits to [[Bloody_Mary_(cocktail)]]? ==

The content in the citations doesn't represent what is said in the article. I made this clear in my reasons for editing. [[Special:Contributions/173.57.173.196|173.57.173.196]] ([[User talk:173.57.173.196|talk]]) 06:53, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

:Excuse me if I'm blunt, but you're full of shit. The citation directly supports the contention made in the article, and if you continue to delete it I will bring your behavior to the attention of admin. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 07:13, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

::Where in either article does it say that "The Bloody Mary is sometimes mistakenly believed to alleviate hangovers?" Please show me. I've been nothing but respectful this whole time while you are being quite rude for no reason. [[Special:Contributions/173.57.173.196|173.57.173.196]] ([[User talk:173.57.173.196|talk]]) 21:47, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

::The first article does say that the Bloody Mary alleviates hangovers. The second article, I suppose, is meant to discount that. But it mentions Mimosas, not the Bloody Mary. I'm not saying that the point isn't valid, but the citations are not the way to go about it. [[Special:Contributions/173.57.173.196|173.57.173.196]] ([[User talk:173.57.173.196|talk]]) 09:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

==What's your problem?==

You seem to be having a hard time. Take a deep breath [[User:Ewawer|Enthusiast]] ([[User talk:Ewawer|talk]]) 09:12, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Why the hell did you revert all my recent edis? You must be cracking up.[[User:Ewawer|Enthusiast]] ([[User talk:Ewawer|talk]]) 09:19, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

:Oh my god, you're right, the world is swirling around me -- Where Am I? Who Am I? OH MY GOD, I'M CRACKING UP!!! "Kiss"? What is "Kiss"?.<p>No actually, your edits were shit, kemosabe, utterly shit, and you will soon be blocked from editing (that's my prediction). Don't restore your edits, they'll just be deleted again. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 09:33, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

::What's that? "Get a life" you said in your last revert of my edit. Why.... why... My god, I had never thought of that. "Get a life" indeed, what a simply fantastic idea that is -- I shall pursue that goal to the ends of the earth. Nothing shall keep me from my new ultimate goal, getting a life. In the meantime, however, I suggest that you stick your head inside your ass to visit with what's left of your brains, since that seems to be you're editing with. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 11:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

:::This is not at all appropriate discourse for editors of wikipedia. If you can't state your disagreements in a more civil way, I suggest you find another hobby than editing wikipedia. In the meantime, where do I report you for such abusive behavior?[[User:Yeoberry|Yeoberry]] ([[User talk:Yeoberry|talk]]) 17:06, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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==Editing Hex's signature==

Just curious, but I noticed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase&diff=542574262&oldid=542573241 this edit] at the Arbcom request for Kevin's desysop, and wondered what sparked it. Maybe I missed the discussion, but I don't see a whole lot of signatures being edited - and certainly none without a note to the offending editor. At a minimum, could you leave Hex a note explaining what you changed and why, as a courtesy? Thanks. [[User:Ultraexactzz|UltraExactZZ]] ^{[[User_talk:Ultraexactzz|Said]]}~<small> [[Special:Contributions/Ultraexactzz|Did]] </small> 15:25, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

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::I wasn't planning to, since it should be abundantly apparent why sigs should not be used as Wiki-political bumper stickers. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] [[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|<span style="background:#f90;color:#000">&nbsp;'''FREE&nbsp;THE&nbsp;ARBCOM&nbsp;15!!'''&nbsp;</span>]] 01:59, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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== thank you ==

Thank you for your email.

The sentence about the private club, The Players, was recently added to Wikipedia and brought to my attention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Players_(New_York_City)

Since the claim is contentious and potentially damaging to the club, I attempted to remove it.

Please let me know how to proceed.

Thank you.

([[User:Dstaller|Dstaller]] ([[User talk:Dstaller|talk]]) 01:17, 16 March 2013 (UTC))

:The information has been reported in the ''New York Times'', which based it on an audio recording of a recent membership meeting. I have updating the section to indicate this. Since the ''Times'' is a [[WP:reliable source]], and is operating from a verbatim recording, there is nothing "contentious" about the information, and if it is damaging to the club, it's not because we are reporting it here. I recommend that if you are concerned about your club, you do something about the club's management, and also recommend that you do not remove the information again from the article without first getting a consensus from on the article's talk page to do so. I doubt you will get it, though, considering the source. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 01:29, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

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== Hudson Heights (Manhattan) ==

Nice work on the revision! That was a lot of work and it reads much smoother now. Would you consider submitting it for review by whoever gives the grades? Thanks to your work it's much better than the "C" it currently has. [[User:Stevew316|Stevew316]] ([[User talk:Stevew316|talk]]) 01:44, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

==''[[Air Hostess (1933 film)]]''==

Take a look, I've revised the article quite a bit. [[User:Bzuk|FWiW Bzuk]] ([[User talk:Bzuk|talk]]) 17:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

:Nice to hear from you again - I'll take a look. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken#top|talk]]) 18:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

==Falsehoods and Lies==

A falsehood is not necessarily a lie. A lie implies the intent to deceive. A mere falsehood may not imply any attempt to deceive but allow for good-faith ignorance. An editor who puts up a notability tag on March 9 and then about five days later is stating a "falsehood" when he says the tag has been up for two months. He may not be lying if he somehow forgot that he, himself, put it up less than a week earlier. An editor who makes a statement that two newspapers are owned by the same company is stating a mere falsehood if he just failed to look that up and guessed. (However, there is an obligation to learn a fact is true before stating it.) It's a lie if he actually knew they were owned by different companies. If he says he meant to ask a question, he's merely stating a falsehood if, somehow, he forgot how to write questions. It's a lie if he really meant it to be a statement but was caught. Etc. Do you understand the difference between a lie and a mere falsehood?[[User:Yeoberry|Yeoberry]] ([[User talk:Yeoberry|talk]]) 17:01, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

== Re: Peter Stuyvesant ==

Hello! I answered your comment here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AntonioMartin&action=edit&section=40|1].

Regards,

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== March 2013 ==

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== Mancation ==

This edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mancation&curid=11146576&diff=546405261&oldid=546391465] added (back) a "is unknown" statement (which was unencyclopedic, misleading and tagged uncited for years), inserted a non-standard sub-heading in the References section, removed a link to Wiktionary and placed the article in an inappropriate category (the subject is travel, not linguistics). Can you explain ? [[User:DexDor|DexDor]] ([[User talk:DexDor|talk]]) 22:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

== Niblo's Garden ==

In what way was the previous version better? [[User:Vzeebjtf|Vzeebjtf]] ([[User talk:Vzeebjtf|talk]]) 16:15, 24 March 2013 (UTC)